From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #4 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Monday, 15 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 004 In this issue: Re: Fred Frith Frith Re: Null and Tzadik Live in China 100 CD set Derek & the Ruins Re: Null and Tzadik Re: Live in China 100 CD set a great show... medeski, martin & wood Re: medeski, martin & wood Re: medeski, martin & wood Re: a great show... Re: Frisell acoustic group Re: Masada in Central Park Re: Masada in Central Park Zorn/Haino and company Re: Bill Frisell Acoustic Quartet Re: Bill Frisell Acoustic Quartet Re: medeski, martin & wood Re: Eyvind Kang Re: Mike Patton and such Bill Laswell show Re: Mike Patton and such Re: Filmworks/Trespass See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: temptation Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:10:40 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: Fred Frith On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote: > Can anybody recommend me some of Fred Friths records (other than Naked=20 > City) ? =20 >=20 > Jonas Every record under his own name (that I can remember now), including: 'Cheap At Half The Price' - The best lo-fi pop ever? Recorded on 4-track= =20 at home with Frith playing almost all instruments (including Casio=20 organs, bass, guitar, etc...). The results are wonderfully fuzzy and=20 psychedelic and very infectious pop songs. (How many of you have found=20 yourself humming 'Some Clouds Don=ABt' over and over again...) 'Gravity' - Great folk-music-influenced album 'Speechless' - one of my favourites... Relies more on collage than the=20 others. 'Guitar Solos' - I mean the new-ish CD re-release which compiles a=20 best-of from the original 3 LPs. Mindblowing... There=ABs propably many more. The =ABDeath Ambient=AB CD with Ikue Mori and= the=20 bass player (can=ABt remember the name now) is also very good. Spookiest=20 ambient you have ever heard... :) teemu =09=09from: Teemu ---> tkorpipa@siba.fi - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- =09'I can't forget... =09 but I don't remember what' =09=09 -Leonard Cohen- ------------------------------ From: tbramy@oz.net (Todd Bramy) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:07:06 -0700 Subject: Frith My favorite Frith record is still "Speachless" on Ralph. I have the LP, but I do believe it's available on CD though on a different label. Anyone know for sure? Todd ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Todd Bramy Seattle, Wa ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ------------------------------ From: pmcarey@students.wisc.edu (Patrick Carey) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 05:48:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Null and Tzadik >I was a bit disappointed by "Nai-Ha" by Zeni Geva. I heard Null was a "extreme >guitar noise terror god" (or something like that), but "Nai-Ha" sounds like >a not-to-special metal album to me (a pretty good one, though...). So what is an "extreme guitar noise terror god" supposed to sound like? Were you expecting Merzbow spewed forth from a guitar? Zeni Geva is a metal band (in the general sense of the word) so don't expect anything groundbreaking ... but they are also much more than that. To truly experience ZG (Null's version of rock 'n' roll) one must see them live ... the volume level of the music, the density of their sound, the precise time changes, and the musical range of the band are amazing. When I last saw them, they covered an Italian anti-fascist song. Check out their "Total Castration" CD (Public Bath) and "Autofuck/When I Was On Horseback" 7" (Skin Graft) to catch them at their best. To hear Null's guitar/ultrasonik work, which is always more extreme & experimental than anything he's done with ZG, check out his solo recordings. They are definitely noisy, but they are not NOISE (as in Merzbow, Masonna, Aube, Incapacitants, C.C.C.C. et al) ... In fact, Null hates being classified as such. His "Saishiyu Bushitsu" LP (reissue on Forced Exposure) from 1985, "Sonic Fuck USA" CD (Nux), "Flying Serpent" 10" (4th Dimension), "Heavy Water" 7" (4th Dim), "Cryonics" 7" (Table of the Elements), split 7"s with Lull (Alleysweeper), "Ultimate Material II" 2LP (Dirter Promotions), "Ultimate Material III" CD (Manifold), "Absolute Heaven" CD (Nux/Charnel) or his mid-eighties work with ANP (Absolut Null Punkt) ... "Ultrasoinc Action" live album (Nux) are all great places to start. His collaborative releases contain some brilliant improv & ambient (for lack of a better word) guitarwork. Check out his two most well known split albums, "New Kind Of Water" (Nux/Charnel) with Jim O'Rourke and "Aurora" (Sentrax) with Jimmy Plotkin from Old. >Is his "Guitar Organism" album better? He plays with Jim O'Rourke, Fred >Frith >and the guy from Melt-Banana on it. Is it improvised? It's definitely improvised, but I wouldn't say that this makes it any better than his work with ZG ... you can't really compare the two. IMO, this record is amazing! The track with Frith, "Where We Exist", was recorded live in Tokyo in 1990, and reminds me of their older split cassette "20,000V Live". The O'Rourke piece, "Neuro Politics", is light years ahead of "New Kind Of Water", if that says anything. This is a loud, noisy & chaotic recording, but it also has some mellower moments. Recommended. - -Patrick ------------------------------ From: Andy Marks Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 08:08:28 Subject: Live in China 100 CD set I have a few questions/comments about this "Live in China 100 CD set". Will all sets be the same or is each unique? Most likely the same I would think, but I don't know for sure. You never know. Will each CD contain only one track? This might be easier to produce if there were only one track per CD. I would think that there would but again, I don't actually know. Guesses on the total length of this monster? I was thinking about 2 hrs worth of stuff. Is this whole thing for real or it is a joke? Sounds kinda funky, but you never really know with Zorn. - ------------------------------------- E-mail: amarks@parrot.mts.com Date: 7/10/96 Time: 8:8:28 AM This message was sent by Chameleon - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "D.J. Toman" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:32:45 GMT Subject: Derek & the Ruins Hi y'all, I'm wondering, since the only store in town that has Tzadik CDs only ordered ONE of each album, if I should pick up Derek & the Ruins? I don't like _Yankees_ too much, nor much else I've heard with Derek Baily, except parts of _Harras_. I'm wondering if The Ruins make the album worth hearing. Can anyone help? David ------------------------------ From: mcolonne@biomed.med.yale.edu (Matt Colonnese) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:48:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Null and Tzadik Kinda getting off topic but I'm very curious >When I last saw >them, they covered an Italian anti-fascist song Does anyone know the name or anything about this song, cause it also appears at the end of the RuinsHatoba album (after 20minutes of chanting) in version that just blows me away. It's the closest I've ever heard to what I would imagine a gypsy-punk tune would sound like. Anyway when I saw ZG they played it. Is this song popular in the Japanese underground or something? What's going on? - ------ "Finally, something that would bring people together...even if it kept them apart, spatially." ------------------------------ From: 9208743d <9208743d@ntx.City.UniSA.edu.au> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:12:57 +0930 (GMT+0930) Subject: Re: Live in China 100 CD set On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Andy Marks wrote: > I have a few questions/comments about this "Live in China 100 CD set". > > Is this whole thing for real or it is a joke? > Sounds kinda funky, but you never really know with Zorn. > > ------------------------------------- > > to the best of my knowledge, SOUND FACTORY (the record label which produce the 100 cd set) is the distributer of Tzadik and Avant releases in Hong Kong. the label also carries many of otomo yoshihide's stuff and more. so it is a "legit" record company. although i have no affiliation with SF whatsoever, but i think the 100 CD set is possibly not a joke, though it certainly sounds pretty excessive to me. vincent 9208743d@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au ------------------------------ From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:24:24 -0500 Subject: a great show... I'm listening to Masada at CBGB's, 9.9.94 with Zorn, Ribot, and John Medeski on organ and Billy Martin on drums right now. This show is so incredible, the reworkings of the songs for different instrumentations is brilliant, and they jam HARD. I really recommend everyone find tapes of this show..... Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then go see them live. I recommend 'Friday Afternoon in the Universe'. Their live show is not to be believed until you've seen it for yourself....These guys could change the face of modern music, especially if their following grows any larger than it is already. read icculus ------------------------------ From: mattg@mail.io.org (matt galloway) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:17:03 -0400 Subject: medeski, martin & wood re: Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music, especially if their following grows any larger than it is already. Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the self-conscious funkiness. mg ------------------------------ From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:43:24 -0500 Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood >re: > Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then >go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music, >especially if their following grows any larger than it is already. > >Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip >downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles >Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the >self-conscious funkiness. You just have absolutely no clue, guy. read icculus ------------------------------ From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:45:04 -0500 Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood >re: > Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then >go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music, >especially if their following grows any larger than it is already. > >Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip >downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles >Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the >self-conscious funkiness. You just don't have a clue, guy. read icculus ------------------------------ From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:59:00 -0400 Subject: Re: a great show... In a message dated 96-07-12 16:37:03 EDT, you write: > I'm listening to Masada at CBGB's, 9.9.94 with Zorn, Ribot, and John > Medeski on organ and Billy Martin on drums right now. This show is so > incredible, the reworkings of the songs for different instrumentations is > brilliant, and they jam HARD. I really recommend everyone find tapes of > this show..... I also recommend 9/19/93 Knitting Factory with Ribot. They did sound alot different than the current Masada. > Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then > go see them live. I recommend 'Friday Afternoon in the Universe'. Their > live show is not to be believed until you've seen it for yourself....These > guys could change the face of modern music, especially if their following > grows any larger than it is already. MMW are great, I have all their albums, I'm on their list, and I have many live tapes of them. But they will never change the face of modern music. Their growing following is made up mostly of young people who think what they are doing is totally new, when its not. It is still great, however. ------------------------------ From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:57:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Frisell acoustic group In a message dated 96-07-08 11:30:28 EDT, you write: > What's the lineup for the Bill Frisell Acoustic Group? > What are you referring to?? Is this a current group? I thought he was still busy with his new quartet with Eyvind Kang, Ron Miles and Hank Roberts. He doesnt play any acoustic with that group. ------------------------------ From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:58:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Masada in Central Park Masada did play an amazing set. Zorn definitely does not like being videotaped. After he told the camera men off, he picks up the mic and says "We dont wanna be videotaped, we came to play for YOU!". Then he walked back over to his spot on the stage and dropped the mic straight down. He dropped the mic again at the end of their set. I guess you could call it integrity, but its all part of his downtown bad boy of jazz image. I'm not knocking him in any way, dont get me wrong. I dont know the tunes by name, but I do know that they played Hobah. And the new drummer did a good job. I was planning on going to Laswell's show tomorrow, but I dont think its going to happen, with the storm headed this way. Major bummer. Remember that buckethead is playing at the Wetlands on Monday. Maybe Bill will drop by and sit in. But Fred Frith will be at the Knit tomorrow, so it may be a musically worthwhile day afterall. It sure is nice living near a great music scene. :) ------------------------------ From: David Newgarden Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Masada in Central Park > I was planning on going to Laswell's show tomorrow, but I dont think its > going to happen, with the storm headed this way. Major bummer. Remember > that buckethead is playing at the Wetlands on Monday. Maybe Bill will drop > by and sit in. But Fred Frith will be at the Knit tomorrow, so it may be a > musically worthwhile day afterall. It sure is nice living near a great music > scene. :) > Also recommended tomorrow (Saturday) -- Zorn, Zeena Parkins, Ikue Mori, Keiji Haino and Suzie Ibarra (terrific young drummer from David S. Ware Quartet and William Parker's big band -- she's a student of Milford Graves) @ Context Studios on Ave. A near 3rd. St. ------------------------------ From: JonAbbey@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:23:25 -0400 Subject: Zorn/Haino and company <> I saw this show Friday night. If you can get there tomorrow, don't miss it. It had kind of a Company Week feel to it, with different combinations of the five musicians improvising on each piece. Haino's presence seemed to inspire Zorn and the others. Early in the show Zorn played for about twenty minutes straight, at his loudest and squawkiest. It was the most I've ever enjoyed Zorn live. Haino mostly played guitar, with no vocalizing. On one piece, though, he played some instrument that looked like a small portable xylophone, but resonated like a gong and sounded almost electroacoustic in its timbre. (I'd love to know what that instrument was, if anyone has a clue.) The other musicians were also pretty great, with Susie Ibarra living up to advance billing. There were also six dancers seemingly improvising along with the musicians. All in all, a pretty remarkable show. If you're going and you're sensitive to lousd volume, bring earplugs. Keiji Haino can get pretty loud. Jon P.S. I saw Medeski, Martin, Wood open for Masada a few years ago at the Cooler and thought they sucked. But who cares? If you like them, more power to you. It seems like a silly discussion. ------------------------------ From: Torsten Nielsen Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 14:51:45 +0200 (METDST) Subject: Re: Bill Frisell Acoustic Quartet >> What's the lineup for the Bill Frisell Acoustic Group? >What are you referring to?? I saw some festival programs with gigs for B.F.A.G, but I now think that it was a mistake, because I know he's touring with the Kang/Miles/Fowlkes Quartet... > busy with his new quartet with Eyvind Kang, Ron Miles and Hank Roberts. Hank Roberts?!??! what about Curtis Fowlkes? Jonas ------------------------------ From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 10:29:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Bill Frisell Acoustic Quartet Of course it's Curtis Fowlkes, my mistake. I've seen them twice, I should have known! I was listening to a tape that had Hank Roberts, and the name was just stuck in my head. ------------------------------ From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 09:59:17 -0800 Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood >re: > Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then >go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music, >especially if their following grows any larger than it is already. > >Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip >downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles >Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the >self-conscious funkiness. > >mg Absolutely! I've never really gotten into Medeski et al, they've always struck me as a kind of downtown-lite, watered down for mass consumption. The deadhead contingent in my area have picked up on them, and I get sick of hearing them described as some extreme form of jazz from people who've never heard Zorn, Ribot, etc. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 09:59:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang >Hey, > > Eyving Kang's "7 NADEs" is amazing!!! Especially "Angel With Wings torn >off." For those of you who like Eyvind Kang, he plays violin on a 35 minute >song on the Sun City Girls 2CD 330,003 Crossdresser From Beyond The Rig >Veda, which is also great, just thought I'd point that out. I listened to I was a bit disappointed with 7 NADES, it didn't seem to be as extreme as some of Eyvind's other projects. I really like his single on Rabid God Inoculator Industries, though. On a related, and self-promotional note, I have copies of the 7th Sign of Stress 10" vinyl compilation, which features several tracks by Shovedevil (Eyvind on violin, Mark France on guitar and clarinet, and myself on bass and electronics). It's Eyvind's first release, from 1992. E-mail me if you're interested. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: basilar@cris.com (david m rothbaum) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 14:26:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Mike Patton and such I read in a review that Phil Minton has done this before and better, >I think the album is a classic in its own right. It is by no means easy >listening, but to me it is thoroughly enjoyable. i have'nt heard of Phil Minton. any more info would be great. david ------------------------------ From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:42:09 -0400 Subject: Bill Laswell show In case anyone reads this soon, and can make it, the Laswell show at Summerstage was rained out, and will be happening tonight at the Knitting Factory, at 12:30 a.m. It is still free. Frith will still be playing at 9 and 11 oclock. ------------------------------ From: john shiurba Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:45:01 +0000 Subject: Re: Mike Patton and such david m rothbaum wrote: > > I read in a review that Phil Minton has done this before and better, > >I think the album is a classic in its own right. It is by no means easy > >listening, but to me it is thoroughly enjoyable. > > i have'nt heard of Phil Minton. any more info would be great. phil minton is one of the (few) true greats of extended technique vocal music. in the early 60's he made a name for himself (originally as a trumpeter) in the mike westbrook orchestra, and since then has performed and recorded with most of the big names in euro-free-improv. his recordings are fairly voluminous (and not generally under his name), but i would recommend a cd called "perceptions" on random acoustics. the group is called axon, and features minton, marcio mattos (cello/electronics) and martin blume (drums). this is a rather sparse group improv recording where minton shows what he can do, and it's pretty astonishing. if your tastes run more toward the rock gamut, check out doran/studer/minton/ali/bates play the music of jimi hendrix. kinda loopy interpretations of the hendrix songbook with minton offering some of his vocal gymnastics shiurba - -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------ From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:27:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Filmworks/Trespass >On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, RichardLadew wrote: > >> Does anyone know more about this film "Trespass?" It isn't that movie with >> Ice-T and Ice Cube is it? I guess that would be a sort of interesting bit >> of trivia. > The score to Trespass was done by Ry Cooder and Jon Hassell, and the CD of the score (not the soundtrack compilation of rap tunes used in the film) is a great record, if you ignore a couple of country-rock tunes at the end. Very creepy mix of Cooder's twisted blues sensibility and Hassell's so-called 4th-world music. I'm not sure how this relates to Zorn though... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #4 ***************************** To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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