From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #20 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Monday, 21 October 1996 Volume 02 : Number 020 In this issue: Re: Wayside Re: Aizona? Dead Inside Dead Inside Re: Dead Inside masada cd #4 Re: Dead Inside Re: Dead Inside Re: Aizona? Re: Marc Cunningham/Mars Re: Aizona? [none] Re: Re: Aizona? Re: Aizona? Masada Tix(ICA) go on sale this Wednesday Net Sounds? Heretic John Zorn's Cobra in Melbourne See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:08:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Wayside Hello. I have a BIG Question for everyone: I am very very interested in getting a recording of the ever-elusive Masada 4. If anyone has it, email me at: martinj@sonoma.edu I will send a blank tape, return postage, and a returning package. I need to have this item. If anyone can help, let me know. Josh Martin Oh, and how is Zorn's "classic guide to strategy"? ------------------------------ From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:40:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Aizona? it's called azonic halo, and it's on bill laswell's old label strata. It's ok, but nothing great. There's a reason it was in the used bin. On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, James A Sellers wrote: > > I saw a disk in a used CD bin entitled, Aizona??? or Aizonium? or > something to that effect. In any case, this disk featured the Blind Idiot > God guys doing some amazing noise guitar trance stuff for lack of a > better description. This CD case looks exactly like the Death Cube K CD > but was entitled something like Aizona or something like that. Anybody > have any answers to what I'm talking about? What is the correct name? And > where can I get it? > > -Jim > > ------------------------------ From: Stickman Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:40:20 -0700 Subject: Dead Inside Well, I picked up the new Golden Palominos CD, "Dead Inside." First, I must say that I love "Pure" & "This is how it feels"...both CD's really grow on you with repeated listening. I've grown very attached to that innocent-sweet-playful- voice of Lori Carson...to the point where I have to get her solo CD's. Anyway, Back to Dead Inside: I have to program my CD player to skip the first track, "Victim". It truely portrays some of the most disturbing images that have ever been uttered lyrically. Maybe it's just me, but the whole CD is rather bleak, or dark and nihilistic.... but I think it's just actually the lyrics & Nicole Blackman's voice. It reminds me of a pissed-off Lori Anderson...no singing, just spoken word over music....which can be great (the track, "Drown" is quite good). Any comments? Jeff? ------------------------------ From: Stickman Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 21:04:48 -0700 Subject: Dead Inside Well, I picked up the new Golden Palominos CD, "Dead Inside." First, I must say that I love "Pure" & "This is how it feels"...both CD's really grow on you with repeated listening. I've grown very attached to that innocent-sweet-playful- voice of Lori Carson...to the point where I have to get her solo CD's. Anyway, Back to Dead Inside: I have to program my CD player to skip the first track, "Victim". It truely portrays some of the most disturbing images that have ever been uttered lyrically. Maybe it's just me, but the whole CD is rather bleak, or dark and nihilistic.... but I think it's just actually the lyrics & Nicole Blackman's voice. It reminds me of a pissed-off Lori Anderson...no singing, just spoken word over music....which can be great (the track, "Drown" is quite good). Any comments? Jeff? ------------------------------ From: Jeff Spirer Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:41:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Dead Inside I would disagree strongly with this characterization. At first, I thought it was somewhat bleak, lyrically, but after a few weeks of listening it dawned on me how funny it is. There is a tremendous amount of humor on this CD, and, if you like somewhat ambient/techno grooves, great music. Also, when I reviewed it a few months ago on another list, I used the term "spoken word," and I got email from Nicole stating that she did not feel that was appropriate, that she was half speaking, half chanting, and occasionally almost singing. Fair enough, and it is closer to Laurie Anderson (with far better rhythm tracks) than "spoken word." At 08:40 PM 10/17/96 -0700, Stickman wrote: >Well, I picked up the new Golden Palominos CD, "Dead Inside." > >First, I must say that I love "Pure" & "This is how it feels"...both >CD's really grow on you with repeated listening. I've grown very >attached to that innocent-sweet-playful- voice of Lori Carson...to the >point where I have to get her solo CD's. > >Anyway, Back to Dead Inside: I have to program my CD player to skip the >first track, "Victim". It truely portrays some of the most disturbing >images that have ever been uttered lyrically. > >Maybe it's just me, but the whole CD is rather bleak, or dark and >nihilistic.... but I think it's just actually the lyrics & Nicole >Blackman's voice. It reminds me of a pissed-off Lori Anderson...no >singing, just spoken word over music....which can be great (the track, >"Drown" is quite good). > >Any comments? Jeff? > > Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------ From: naes@best.com (Naes) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:52:51 -0800 Subject: masada cd #4 sorry to jump on the bandwagon, but i have desperately been seeking this as well, i have had numerous friends in japan looking for the disc but with no such luck at all, im willing to pay a good amount of money or trade bootlegs of stuff i have or whatever, i will do anything for a copy! i just want to hear for crying out loud! please e-mail me and i will be forever greatful! naes@best.com - -masada fan whose life would finally have meaning and be complete if he could hear #4!!!!!!! aka naes At 5:08 PM 10/17/96, martinj@SONOMA.EDU wrote: >Hello. >I have a BIG Question for everyone: >I am very very interested in getting a recording of the ever-elusive >Masada 4. If anyone has it, email me at: martinj@sonoma.edu >I will send a blank tape, return postage, and a returning package. >I need to have this item. If anyone can help, let me know. >Josh Martin > >Oh, and how is Zorn's "classic guide to strategy"? Naes' pick o' da week: John Zorn - Bar Kokhba (Tzadik/Hips Road) homepage: http://www.best.com/~naes (under construction) Bun Length Records: p.o.box 2174 berkeley, ca. 94702 homepage: moving to new address shortly... ------------------------------ From: Stickman Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:10:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Dead Inside Jeff Spirer wrote: > At first, I thought it was somewhat bleak, lyrically, but after a few weeks of listening it > dawned on me how funny it is. I'll try to find the humor...i got the CD about 3 days ago. The first cut is so disturbing....funny? i dont know.....hmmm.....i mean I do laugh through all the David Lynch movies... > Also, when I reviewed it a few months ago on another list, I used the term > "spoken word," and I got email from Nicole stating that she did not feel > that was appropriate, that she was half speaking, half chanting, and > occasionally almost singing. Fair enough, and it is closer to Laurie > Anderson (with far better rhythm tracks) than "spoken word." Jeff, would it be possible to send me that review (or even Nicole's response?)? And also, will there be a remix CD of selected tracks, as with the previous CD's? ------------------------------ From: Jeff Spirer Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:21:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Dead Inside At 10:10 PM 10/17/96 -0700, Stickman wrote: >Jeff Spirer wrote: >> Also, when I reviewed it a few months ago on another list, I used the term >> "spoken word," and I got email from Nicole stating that she did not feel >> that was appropriate, that she was half speaking, half chanting, and >> occasionally almost singing. Fair enough, and it is closer to Laurie >> Anderson (with far better rhythm tracks) than "spoken word." > > >Jeff, would it be possible to send me that review (or even Nicole's >response?)? I will have to get it from another computer since I changed a few weeks ago. I will ask Nicole about posting her comments. It was Anton who used "spoken word" when describing it to me last spring. >And also, will there be a remix CD of selected tracks, as >with the previous CD's? Anton is planning to have one. Not clear yet when that will happen. Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------ From: Jeff Spirer Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:27:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Aizona? It's Azonic, mostly noisy feedbacky guitar, mostly solo except for a little bass from Bill Laswell. I like it, but I can't say I play it more than once a year. The label is Strata, availability is fairly poor since the pressing was pretty small and the label is more or less gone. It seems to pop up in used bins every now and then. At 02:17 PM 10/17/96 -0400, James A Sellers wrote: > >I saw a disk in a used CD bin entitled, Aizona??? or Aizonium? or >something to that effect. In any case, this disk featured the Blind Idiot >God guys doing some amazing noise guitar trance stuff for lack of a >better description. This CD case looks exactly like the Death Cube K CD >but was entitled something like Aizona or something like that. Anybody >have any answers to what I'm talking about? What is the correct name? And >where can I get it? > >-Jim > > > Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------ From: Stephane Vuilleumier Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:20:02 +0200 Subject: Re: Marc Cunningham/Mars Here is the stuff about Mark Cunningham I found in the latest issue (28, June 96) of "Revue et Corrigee". In fact it is an interview of Mark Cunningham based on a selection of tracks with him playing. No exhaustive discography then, but lots of (to me) obscure references. The list gives some records on which M.C. can be found but not the actual song titles (it is unclear from the references given if the record is by only one group/band/performer). I left out the Mars records. In the interview, MC also mentions a band called 3M which only did "2-3 concerts" and featured himself with Mark Miller and Christian Marclay. - - John Gavanti: John Gavanti (Hyrax, 1980) w/ Ikue Mori, Don Burg - - Don King: One Two Punch (Double Vision, 1985) w/ Lucy Hamilton, Arto Lindsay - - Blixa Bargeld: Untitled in "All guitars" (Tellus 10 CT) w/ Arto Lindsay - - Bewitched: Chocolate/Frenzy/Swamp Shoot (Shov Records, 12", 1986) w/ Bob Bert - - Don King: In: On The Mediterranean (Edicion 4Sellos, 1987) w/ Lucy Hamilton - - Lizzy Mercier Descloux: Suspense (Polydor, LP, 1988) w/ Bruce Smith, Constanza Burg - - Fist of Facts: Fugitive Vesco (Helvete Underground Records, LP, 1988) w/ Liquid Liquid members - - Emilio Cubeiro: Death of an asshole (Widowspeak, 1989) - - Fist of Facts: in Trying to Make It to the end of the century (G33G, 1990) - - Steroid Maximus: Gondwanaland (Big Cat 1992) - - Raeo: Adios Jupiter (G33G) w/ Lucy Hamilton - - Raeo: XV El Diablo (G33G, 1992) - - Bel Canto Orquestra: in IX El Ermitano, (G33G, 1992) w/ Pascal Comelade - - Pascal Comelade: El Cabaret Galactic (Evva Records, 1994) - - Mark Cunningham: in Noise Club Uno (Por Caridad Producciones) Since I'm ripping off somebody's (Jacques Debout's) research, here are the credits: R&C is an excellent quaterly magazine on experimental music with a very nice layout, usually 48 pages. And: it's in french :-) Revue et Corrigee No 28 (quarterly; 100 FF/year outside France, about 20$) Address: Revue & Corrigee Nota Bene 25 rue du Docteur Bordier 38100 Grenoble, France tel. +33 476 49 32 00 fax +33 476 84 03 82 Stephane ------------------------------ From: Steve Smith Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:14:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Aizona? Jeff Spirer wrote: > > It's Azonic, mostly noisy feedbacky guitar, mostly solo except for a little > bass from Bill Laswell. I like it, but I can't say I play it more than once > a year. > > The label is Strata, availability is fairly poor since the pressing was > pretty small and the label is more or less gone. It seems to pop up in used > bins every now and then. I don't know the Strata recording but feel compelled to add my 2˘ worth regarding one of the more interesting surprises of last year's purchases: the Sub Rosa disc "Skinner's Black Box," which is half Andy Hawkins (Azonic) and half Justin Broadrick (Godflesh). I'm not the biggest fan of Blind Idiot God or Godflesh but I picked this up as it's part of the swell Subsonic series, which is always at least interesting. While it's the Justin Broadrick stuff that really knocked me for a loop (icy cold bleak technoscrape guitar), I remember the Azonic stuff being pleasant enough (and distinctly seem to remember tabla drums in the mix...). For anyone who hasn't seen this series yet, it's up to its fourth release. There's a Fred Frith/Mark Ribot split CD in a yellow jewelcase, a Bill Laswell/Nik Bullen split CD in a red case, and just out is a Page Hamilton/Caspar Brötzmann duo disc in an orange case. (The Azonic/ Broadrick is green.) And say, Jeff, how's the new Laswell drums 'n' bass thing with Ninj? Steve Smith ssmith@kochint.com ------------------------------ From: DANIEL BITTON Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [none] Just picked up Tim Berne's Mutant Variations. So far I've only had the time for absorbing the first two tracks. Anybody have anything to say about this record, or any other Berne stuff? ------------------------------ From: Steve Smith Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:07:56 -0700 Subject: Re: DANIEL BITTON wrote: > > Just picked up Tim Berne's Mutant Variations. So far I've only had > the time for absorbing the first two tracks. Anybody have anything to say > about this record, or any other Berne stuff? It's his seventh album, but still pretty early in his overall development. If you like it you should check out its predecessor, "The Ancestors," which adds the always-worthwhile Ray Anderson to the mix. (Also, for those looking for the first two LPs "The Five Year Plan" and "7X," Tim just found several boxes of sealed copies in his basement and sold them to Little Brother, a label and distributor based in Portland.) I don't know how widely this is known, but the long-awaited reissue of the Tim Berne/Bill Frisell duo CD "Theoretically" hit stores on Tuesdaythe 15th, as did a Koch Jazz reissue of the deleted Columbia title "Fulton Street Maul" which featured Berne, Frisell, Hank Roberts and Alex Cline. "Fulton Street Maul" is a dense, challenging record, and one that I'm particularly pleased to have convinced my company to reissue. "Sanctified Dreams," a truly excellent introduction to Tim's work, is due for reissue in March. Tim really came into his own during his years on JMT, further refining the raucous, angular, funky style he's known for now. "Fractured Fairy Tales" is a great place to start, but be advised that a lot of the JMT stuff is currently out of print and may be completely unavailable for a long time. In particular, if you see the two albums by Miniature (Berne plus Roberts and Baron) grab 'em before they're gone. The Blood Count discs on JMT are still widely available, and feature Tim with a really strong working band of Chris Speed, Mike Formanek and Jim Black, with special guest Marc Ducret on electric guitar. The feature that stands out to many is the extraordinary length of the tunes -- from 15 or 20 minutes to 40 or even nearly 50! -- but these are suites of sustained invention and multiple moods, and for this admittedly strongly biased listener they never get dull. Start with the track "The Other" for a great intro to this band. Tim's got two new projects coming soon. JMT's successor label, Winter and Winter, will be issuing a trio record called Big Satan which features Berne with Marc Ducret and Tom Rainey. So far Winter and Winter has yet to find an American distributor but I'm sure they will get one by the time this record is due in February. [WARNING: THE FOLLOWING COULD BE CONSTRUED AS AN ADVERTISEMENT, SO BAIL OUT HERE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT...] The other project, one I'm personally involved with, is Tim's return to self-released independence. He's got a new label, ScrewGun, which I'm helping him run. We plan to have the first release available by December. We hope to have it in all the better jazz and alternative stores, we'll do mailorder and have a website, and he'll be selling the disc on his Bloodcount tour next spring. It's called "Bloodcount Unwound" and is a three CD set of live Bloodcount recordings from Berlin and Ann Arbor, recorded in 1995 without Ducret. Very little material is repeated from the JMT releases, and there are some seriously stomping new pieces like "Mr. Johnson's Blues." Three discs in a letter-pressed cardboard box, retailing for $30. (We gave up on the idea of a latex package to keep the costs down...) The mastering was done by David Torn over the last two weeks and is said to be extraordinary (I've not heard the finished master yet). We have lots of plans for future ScrewGun releases by Tim and other artists, and Tim plans to keep the prices as low as possible. When there's more details to be shared I'll let you know. You're the first to hear about any of this... Steve Smith ssmith@kochint.com ------------------------------ From: Jeff Spirer Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:21:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Aizona? At 10:14 AM 10/18/96 -0700, Steve Smith wrote: >And say, Jeff, how's the new Laswell drums 'n' bass thing with Ninj? This depends on how much you like drums 'n' bass, which on this list may be an interesting question. I really like when I'm in the right mood. You wouldn't want to listen to this while waiting for the results of a pregnancy test, for example. In other words, it is frenetic drums 'n' bass with a little synth stuff thrown in. Ninj is certainly one of the best practitioners in this genre, and it is far more interesting than a lot of other stuff. However, for Zorn listers, Tetragramaton: _Submerge_ might be far more desirable. This mixes up the beats a little more, with some drums 'n' bass and showcases Bayard Lancaster and Graham Haynes on two long Material tracks. Fairly typical Laswell treatments on the horn tracks, so purists (can't imagine there are all that many on this list) beware, amazing incorporation of electronic beats tracks with Indian drone with ambient synth with horns. The other three tracks (one from Fullcone, one from DJ Spooky, one from David Quinlan and DJ Soul Slinter) fall more-or-less in the trip hop genre. Also coming is _Arcana 2_, with Tony Williams, Ornette, Pharoah, Laswell, and a whole bunch more. Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------ From: "Allen Huotari" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 09:37:52 PST Subject: Re: Aizona? the correct name is Azonic Halo good luck finding it, I'm pretty sure it's out of print ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Aizona? Author: James A Sellers at smtpgate Date: 10/17/96 2:45 PM I saw a disk in a used CD bin entitled, Aizona??? or Aizonium? or something to that effect. In any case, this disk featured the Blind Idiot God guys doing some amazing noise guitar trance stuff for lack of a better description. This CD case looks exactly like the Death Cube K CD but was entitled something like Aizona or something like that. Anybody have any answers to what I'm talking about? What is the correct name? And where can I get it? - -Jim ------------------------------ From: JoLaMaSoul@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:53:36 -0400 Subject: Masada Tix(ICA) go on sale this Wednesday Tickets for Masada at the Boston Institute for Contemporary Art will go on sale this Wednesday, Oct. 23. You can contact the ICA box office at (617) 927-6620. Cost should be about $12 per ticket, and even less ($10?) for ICA Members. We'll see you there! Jonathan ------------------------------ From: Jim McLoughlin Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Net Sounds? I have recently checked out a number of live shows of various artists on the internet via Real Audio. Just curious if anyone on this list knows of Zorn related websites that utilize Real Audio technology to provide Live Music or Album Clips. Thanks. - -- Jim McLoughlin jm8w@virginia.edu ------------------------------ From: Maf165@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:11:43 -0400 Subject: Heretic I'm interested in seeing the film Heretic: Jeux des Dames Cruelles, that goes with the Naked City album. Has anyone seen this film and, if so, can you send me a review? Not surprisingly (judging from the pictures on the CD sleeve) it's not available here in Mississippi. If anyone knows where I can find it, please let me know. Marc Foster maf165@aol.com ------------------------------ From: richie@cst.com.au (Richie Teh) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:22:12 +1000 Subject: John Zorn's Cobra in Melbourne Hi all, Yesterday nite, I experienced Zorn's Cobra for the first time. Before that, I have no experience with the rules of Cobra nor have I heard any of the released Cobra CDs, so I went to the show with no pre-concept of what it's all about, but I was very excited about it because I know I'll be surprised and surprised I did!! The show was held in The Continental in South Yarra in the City of Melbourne. The place was packed at around 9:30pm. BTW, no tickets were available on the nite, it was completely sold out. The musicians involved in this show were members of Mr. Bungle (who's currently touring Oz), and others. Sorry I'm not very familiar with Mr. Bungle (except Mike Patton who was present) and the other musicians so I can't list any names. Two performance were made before the start of Cobra. The first, lasting at about 30 mins features a double bass-player, a gong player and a prompter who also fiddled with a sampler (? - not sure what it was, but it made some weird noises) and also rubbing a beer bottle against some stylofone (sp?) which made some horrible screeching noise (imagine scratching the blackboard with your finger nails and having it amplified a 100 times....YUCK!!!). This piece was kinda interesting, the prompter signals to each musicians what to play, what intensity to play, and when to stop. Off course, there won't any groove happening, each musician basically "improvised" when promted. I thought the ending was really cool as the gong player hammers the gong, building up a college of sound ending this performance with a bang. The second performance involved Mike Patton on "sampler"-thingy and a percussionist (same guy who played the gong earlier) who played a variety of Asian percussion such as a Korean flower drum, some Chinese ritual cymbals etc. In this performance, the duo created an atmosphere similar to a Japanese traditional opera. Patton chants and mumble emotionally like an Jap opera singer while the percussionist beats the drums. It's hard to explain since I'm no expert in Jap trad music, but it's really deep. Some members of the audience were laughing away because Patton was basically "singing" in gibberish, but both of them were really serious about what they were doing and also with the atmosphere they were creating. This made me think about how these days the more adventurous western musicians (Derek Bailey, Laswell, Zorn etc) are incorporating Eastern influences into their experiments/improvisations while the Eastern world are trying to become more Westernised. The 2nd performance lasted approx 30mins again. Then the game started. There were, from left of stage to the right, a trombone/saxophone/duck-wistle player, a cellist, a drummer, an electric bass player, another drummer, an acoustic guitar player, a double bass player, Patton on "sampler"-thingy and voice, a flute/saxphone player and a keyboard/sampler player. All these musicians were on the stage and the game-master/prompter person is standing off stage. Bare in mind that the Continetal is not exactly a huge place, therefore there won't a lot of space to move around. Again, I'm not familiar with how thing works in Cobra so I spend a whole lot of time figuring out what happened or what the hand signals and cards meant. (Anyone care to share the rules of the game?). All in all, they played, I think, 5 sets of games, and were asked to do another one from the enthusiastic audience. The entire set took close to 1:30hrs. The best part of Cobra is to see the musicians enjoying themselves on stage as well as the audience. Since all pieces were done on the spot, we didn't know what to expect. I think that's the reason why I felt that Cobra is exciting. In summary, a great nite of truely improvised music. A lot of the people who attended the show expected more Mr Bungle material but were truely shocked with what's going on. I've been dying to attend a concert similar to all the great European imrpovisation festivals such as Comapny and I must say this comes close (IMHO). Anyways, hope you had a good read :-) Sorry if I wasn't clear on some of the things. Richie Teh Maintainer of DrumNet http://www.clearview.com.au/drumnet richie@c031.aone.net.au or drumnet@clearview.com.au ** DrumNet's giving away 3 CDs!! Yes 3 CDs!!! Visit DrumNet and find out more about this !! ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #20 ****************************** To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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