From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #47 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Saturday, 11 January 1997 Volume 02 : Number 047 In this issue: Re: duck baker Zorn in Vancouver Re: James Plotkin Re: Mc Hellshit Re: Upcoming Zorn show in Taipei Re: duck baker Re: James Plotkin Zorn in Europe 1997 Zorn, Patton, Mori in SF Re: Mc Hellshit Re: duck baker [none] Re: Mc Hellshit Re: James Plotkin Re: Zorn in Europe in 97 Masada 8 Herbie Nichols Dowtown Music Gallery anniversary Re: Re: Masada 8 Re: Zorn in Vancouver Mori/Zorn/Patton Derek Bailey + The Ruins See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: acapps@usit.net (Ashley Capps) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:24:36 -0500 Subject: Re: duck baker >I know we've talked about Duck Baker earlier sometime but has anyone found >his latest album out on Avant? Can someone give me a review? This is yet another disc that I find myself playing over and over. I don't have time to give a real review. Only to say: It's terrific, yet another insight into the extraordinary musical world of Herbie Nichols. Very creative arrangements with Baker playing extrordinarily well and taking several interesting approaches to the tunes. Hearing these tunes played on acoustic guitars and Baker's style of playing relates the music to American folk traditions in an interesting and exciting way. There's a touch of samba on occasion. And so much more. It's very creative, and sure to give you hours of listening pleasure. Ashley ------------------------------ From: shane@edu.advantage.com (Furvent Moil) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 07:43:50 -0800 Subject: Zorn in Vancouver Does anybody know if John Zorn has ever performed in Vancouver, Canada and/or whether or not any plans have been made *to* perform in Vancouver in any degree of the future? - Furvent Moil ------------------------------ From: "Alan M Gordon (MSc/NC)" Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:51:05 GMT Subject: Re: James Plotkin On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, landocal@mail.utexas.edu (LP Thorpe) wrote: >Does anyone have an opinion on this album, or Old, or anything else Plotkin >has done (even death metal :))? Aha, i never knew plotkin was in old. I've got an album he did with kk null (can't remember title). Think "ambient guitar noise" and you've got it - plenty of effects, certainly repetitive but quite interesting. (I think there's even a beat on one of the tracks!) Has anyone heard "The joy of disease" which i think features plotkin, mick harris, nicholas collins and someone else (treicher?). I'd be interested to hear a review. alan ------------------------------ From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:14:37 -0800 Subject: Re: Mc Hellshit On Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:31:14 +0200 Anders Fransson wrote: > > I have got a 3"cd with Mc Hellshit & Dj Carhouse alias Yamatsuka Eye and > Otomo Yoshihide, label: Blast first. Eye on screming and Yoshihide on > turntables, tape et. It=B4s a live performance at a place called Discobay or > Disobay??? Does anybody know more about it? Nothing except that there is a second record of this duo: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 065 - LIVE!! DJ Carhouse & MC Hellshit 1/ Join The Hellshit Army 2/ I Don't Like Ho-Hey 3/ Dead Sky Walker 4/ Cold Brain 5/ Ufo Made Me Do It 6/ Hard Core Copy 7/ Muthafuck Mitsubishi 8/ Air Rappers 1996 - Japan Overseas (Japan), JO96-24 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I have heard about a cd with Zorn where the cover is made from marble or= > steel, > I think I read it in Patrice Roussels discography. Where can i get a copy? EXECUTION GROUND (Pain Killer) is available in four designs: 1994 - Subharmonic (USA), SD 7008-2 (2xCD) 1995 - Subharmonic (USA), #1708 (2xCD) 1995 - Toy's Factory Records (Japan), TFCK-88731/3 (3xCD) 1996 - Tzadik (USA), TZ ???? (3xCD) Note: the #1708 is a limited edition of 500 total: 250 being packaged in a marble box, and 250 in a metal box; both box designs are by artist Rockit. Note: the Tzadik reissue is not released yet. Note: the Japanese pressing adds an extra record which is a live concert called: LIVE IN OSAKA; following is its description: I was lucky to find the marble one but I have never seen the metal one (but I think I will survive ;-). Also, a fifth pressing is planned by Tzadik. Patrice. ------------------------------ From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:38:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Upcoming Zorn show in Taipei On Thu, 09 Jan 97 06:42:29 -0600 gastarit@comm.net wrote: > > > > On Thu, 09 Jan 1997, Jan-Wen Lu wrote: > >Zorn will perform in Taipei on Jan. 22, in a new pub--"Opium Den". With Ikue > >Mori and Mike Patton. A highly anticipated show!! > > > > > >Jan-Wen, Taipei, Taiwan > >-- > >Jan-Wen Lu E-Mail address: janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw > > > > > Will be picking up the "Anthony Coleman Trio" cd today. Tower is having their > annual clearance sale, which helps. Anyway, its Coleman, BAron and Greg Cohen. > Of course, it's on Tzadik... It is an excellent record. The first time that you can really hear Coleman playing in a jazz vein, without electronics or fancy keyboards. But if you are expecting some crazy stuff, you will be disappointed. I enjoy this record as much as WHOSE BRIDGE by Mengelberg (another great trio record). Patrice. ------------------------------ From: "M.Ho" Date: Thu, 9 Jan 97 11:40:16 EST Subject: Re: duck baker I'm not familiar with Herbie Nichols. Can anyone elaborate? > > >I know we've talked about Duck Baker earlier sometime but has anyone found > >his latest album out on Avant? Can someone give me a review? > > This is yet another disc that I find myself playing over and over. I don't > have time to give a real review. Only to say: It's terrific, yet another > insight into the extraordinary musical world of Herbie Nichols. > > ------------------------------ From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:47:18 -0800 Subject: Re: James Plotkin On Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:51:05 GMT "Alan M Gordon (MSc/NC)" wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, landocal@mail.utexas.edu (LP Thorpe) wrote: > >Does anyone have an opinion on this album, or Old, or anything else Plotkin > >has done (even death metal :))? > > Aha, i never knew plotkin was in old. I've got an album he did with kk null > (can't remember title). Think "ambient guitar noise" and you've got it - > plenty of effects, certainly repetitive but quite interesting. (I think there's > even a beat on one of the tracks!) > > Has anyone heard "The joy of disease" which i think features plotkin, mick > harris, nicholas collins and someone else (treicher?). I'd be interested to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Great! Anything with Collins triggers my curiosity. Never realized that Collins was on this record. Patrice. ------------------------------ From: NGUYEN VAN TAN Olivier Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:16:40 +0100 Subject: Zorn in Europe 1997 Hi, I 've already my ticket for Masada in Paris, le hot brass the 8th of April 97. BTW: yesterday, I saw Marc Ducret with Latin for travellers (boby previte) Frith will be here next saturday at "son d'hiver" Joey Baron 's down will be here in February at "banlieue bleue" Guys, do you ever have my e-mail about the gig of Tom Cora's roof in Paris with Phil Minton? I think the list lost it, what do you think about it? Do you hear about an openning of the knittinf factory in London next spring? Olivier ------------------------------ From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:44:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Zorn, Patton, Mori in SF Jan-Wen Lu, demi-God and Icon sez: > >Zorn will perform in Taipei on Jan. 22, in a new pub--"Opium Den". With Ikue >Mori and Mike Patton. A highly anticipated show!! That same trio is performing on Jan. 17th in San Francisco at Slimes...uh, I mean, Slims. I'm heading home to the Bay Area just to see this show...can't wait myself. mike rizzi - temporarily in Seattle this month - ------------------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=- http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/ - ------ browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 --------- ------------------------------ From: Christopher Hamilton Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:14:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Mc Hellshit On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Anders Fransson wrote: > I have got a 3"cd with Mc Hellshit & Dj Carhouse alias Yamatsuka Eye and > Otomo Yoshihide, label: Blast first. Eye on screming and Yoshihide on > turntables, tape et. It=B4s a live performance at a place called Discobay= or > Disobay??? Does anybody know more about it? Well, I don't know anything about that record, but I'd bet the performance was at Disobey, a London-based club with ties to the Blast First label IIRC. Chris ------------------------------ From: john shiurba Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 13:29:59 -0700 Subject: Re: duck baker M.Ho wrote: > > I'm not familiar with Herbie Nichols. Can anyone elaborate? > Herbie Nichols was a terrific post-bop pianist and composer who lived & died in relative obscurity, recording only 3-4 records worth of material. His reputation has been posthumously raised nearer to its proper place-- due in great part to the next generation of jazz musicians who have praised and often paid tribute to his work. Among these are Steve Lacy, Roswell Rudd and even John Zorn (there was a terrific tribute to Nichols organized by clarinetist Ben Goldberg that featured JZ). The Blue Note Nichols sessions are essential listening-- I believe some or all of this stuff has been reissued on CD. - -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------ From: N Vassiliou Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 23:46:18 GMT Subject: [none] Hi all. I was wondering if there are any news of a new Mr. Bungle or Mike Patton release in the near future. It's been a long time since Disco Volante... On a different note, has anybody heard the Sonic Youth/Yamantanka Eye collaboration 12''? I think it is called TV shit, but for some reason the liner notes refer to one of Stockhausen's pieces...Have they covered the piece (or parts of it, anyway) or is it just a joke? Thanks Nick V. York,UK ------------------------------ From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:12:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Mc Hellshit >I have got a 3"cd with Mc Hellshit & Dj Carhouse alias Yamatsuka Eye and >Otomo Yoshihide, label: Blast first. Eye on screming and Yoshihide on >turntables, tape et. Itīs a live performance at a place called Discobay or >Disobay??? Does anybody know more about it? Well, the following probably doesn't help much since you already own the CD, but the following is a short review I posted to the difficult-l & nm-list sometime last year: DJ Carhouse/MC Hellshit -- Live CD3 on Blast First This is a recording of Otomo Yoshihide (DJ Carhouse) & Yamatsuka/Yamantaka Eye (MC Hellshit) live in '95 at Club Disobey in London. The disc clocks in at around 19 minutes, with 9 tracks showing up on the CD, but 12 listed on the sleeve. This is amazing stuff ... Basically it consists of Otomo using his extensive turntable wizardry to manipulate and destroy records of every genre (jazz, reggae, world, metal, noise ... even God's "Anatomy of Addiction") while Eye adds his trademark (a la "Nani Nani", Naked City or Painkiller) screaming, mumbling, babbling & shrieking to the mix. A brilliant set of live tracks, regardless of how many there really are. Pretty much unlike anything else ... Highly Recommended!! Club Disobey is an excellent live club in North London. Bruce Gilbert (of Wire fame) DJs there as DJ Beekeeper. There are a number of live CDs (the above is one) on Blast First, most of which are limited, that were specially recorded at Disobey & are available directly from Mute records in the UK. Artists have included: Merzbow, Keiji Haino, Earth, Charles Gayle, Blue Humans etc. - -Patrick ------------------------------ From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:13:14 -0500 Subject: Re: James Plotkin >On Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:51:05 GMT "Alan M Gordon (MSc/NC)" wrote: >> >> On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, landocal@mail.utexas.edu (LP Thorpe) wrote: >> >Does anyone have an opinion on this album, or Old, or anything else Plotkin >> >has done (even death metal :))? >> >> Aha, i never knew plotkin was in old. I've got an album he did with kk null >> (can't remember title). Think "ambient guitar noise" and you've got it - >> plenty of effects, certainly repetitive but quite interesting. (I think >> there's even a beat on one of the tracks!) >> >> Has anyone heard "The joy of disease" which i think features plotkin, mick >> harris, nicholas collins and someone else (treicher?). I'd be >>interested to >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ **************** Patrice wrote: >Great! Anything with Collins triggers my curiosity. Never realized that Collins >was on this record. * Correction: Ruth Collins is on this record, not Nicholas Collins. She is the vocalist on 4 tracks on this record (see below) and is from England. Franz Treichler, frontman for the legendary Swiss band The Young Gods, is also featured. * James Plotkin - "The Joy Of Disease" CD (1996) Avant (Avan 028) 1. Casual Murder 2. Hung On A Line 3. Red Plateau 4. Fuzzy 5. Yes. Well, No. 6. Bloodslide 7. Euphoria Passing 8. Polar Shift 9. Disease As A Child James Plotkin: guitar (synthesized, looped, bowed), bass guitar, rhythms, samples Franz Treichler: ominous guitar loop (track 2), samples (track 8) Mick Harris: drifting gate (track 8), atmosphere & cymbals (track 4) Ruth Collins: words & voice (tracks 1, 2, 7, 9) A piece from a quick description that I recently sent to a friend: ... Excellent stuff, makes me think it's the direction Plotkin wants to take OLD in for their next release on Relapse ... a female vocalist being a possiblity for this. Rhythm programming, bass & guitar work being a mesh between his solo styles (a la "A Strange, Perplexing") and the electronics on the last two Old records (specifically "Formula"). Mick does Lull-type atmosphere & cymbals on 2 tracks, and Franz does some guitar loops & samples on a couple tracks ... - -Patrick ------------------------------ From: "John N. Sellekaers" Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 02:48:22 +0100 Subject: Re: Zorn in Europe in 97 >> Hi out there! >> >> Does anybody know if Zorn will tour in Europe in 97? > >I read an announcement for a Masada-concert in Brussels (April, if I >remember correctly) > >Geert Yep, that's right: 10 April, at l'Ancienne Belgique (Brussels)... John N. Sellekaers http://www.link.be/xinguhill Xingu Hill, Urawa, Torsion, Ambre ------------------------------ From: dennis summers Date: Thu, 9 Jan 97 21:40 WET Subject: Masada 8 Ok, I know that I missed Masada #4 (forever) by not sending in the spine wrappers. And I recall someone here saying that they thought that the same thing was going to be done for 8. Well I'm sitting on those wrappers now... can someone tell me exactly what to do with them? I'm counting on you guys, I don't want to miss it again! thanx --dennis ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** ------------------------------ From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 22:04:47 -0500 Subject: Herbie Nichols M.Ho wrote: > > I'm not familiar with Herbie Nichols. Can anyone elaborate? > > > > > >I know we've talked about Duck Baker earlier sometime but has anyone found > > >his latest album out on Avant? Can someone give me a review? > > > > This is yet another disc that I find myself playing over and over. I don't > > have time to give a real review. Only to say: It's terrific, yet another > > insight into the extraordinary musical world of Herbie Nichols. > > > > Hello All Herbie Nichols recorded five sessions for Blue Note from May 6, 1955 to April 19, 1956. These are now recognized as classics, though it is just a small portion of his work. Most went unrecorded. He did only one other session under his own name - Bethlehem Records 1957. The Blue Note sessions feature Art Blakey or Max Roach on drums, Al McKibbon or Teddy Kotick on bass. There is a CD of the 1957 session and a Blue Note compilation. However, Mosaic released all issued titles in a 3CD set a few years ago but it is no longer available. There is only one word for it: GREAT. I consider it, along with perhaps Ellington's Fargo, ND, concert, the greatest collection of jazz ever. Just one man's opinion. Anyway, the closest thing to HN is probably Monk. I get the feeling that these are sketches for larger works, that the man had much more to say, but his life was cut very short. There are some fine interpretations of some of his tunes. The Dave Douglas CD on HatArt has "The Gig." Steve Lacy as done some interesting though overly serious things. An ICP/Misha Mengelberg CD has a large ensemble doing a set of HN. But, the best way to hear him is his own stuff. His playing is totally unique. HN wrote poetry, and his keyboard seems to transform the song titles into complete stories. Titles like "House Party Starting" "Cro-Magnon Nights" "Blue Chopsticks" match perfectly with the music. It's a lot of fun. Beull Neidlinger has a unique CD on his own label that is a string trio plus sax blue grass sort of interpretation of HN. Herbie was pretty much ignored while alive, but his great music lives on. Get some. Alan E Kayser ------------------------------ From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 23:19:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dowtown Music Gallery anniversary I was just wondering if anyone went to the DMG last Friday for their 5 1/2 year anniversary show. It was supposedly five hours long, and featured some great people, including JZ. (I'm still wondering where they fit everybody..) If anyone went , please let me know what went on. IOUaLive1@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Jan-Wen Lu Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:48:38 +0800 Subject: Re: N Vassiliou wrote: > I was wondering if there are any news of a new Mr. Bungle or Mike Patton release in the near future. It's been a long time > since Disco Volante... On a different note, has anybody heard the Sonic Youth/Yamantanka Eye collaboration 12''? I think > it is called TV shit, but for some reason the liner notes refer to one of Stockhausen's pieces...Have they covered the piece > (or parts of it, anyway) or is it just a joke? A new project--Secret Chiefs Trio, with three members of Mr. Bungle, Trevor Dunn, Danny Heifetz, and Trey Spruance. Their first CD "First Grand Constitution and Bylaws" was released by Amarillo in December '96. They use bass, drums, trombone, percussion, sample, tape electronics, synths, and vocal to create very interesting music. As great as Mr. Bungle though Patton didn't involve. Concerning the TV shit EP, I think it was just a joke. Since the "song" of it is a cover song of an early D.C. punk band(I forgot their name, sorry). But I do love the sream of Eye on this one. - -- Jan-Wen Lu E-Mail address: janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw ------------------------------ From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:27:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Masada 8 On Thu, 9 Jan 97 21:40 WET dennis summers wrote: > > Ok, I know that I missed Masada #4 (forever) by not sending in the spine > wrappers. And I recall someone here saying that they thought that the same > thing was going to be done for 8. Well I'm sitting on those wrappers now... > can someone tell me exactly what to do with them? I'm counting on you guys, > I don't want to miss it again! People running Avant/Tzadik told me that this trick would not be used again. This does not prevent me from keeping the spine wrappers :-). Patrice. ------------------------------ From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 16:12:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Zorn in Vancouver > > Does anybody know if John Zorn has ever performed in Vancouver, > Canada and/or whether or not any plans have been made *to* perform in > Vancouver in any degree of the future? I've been told that john zorn is never going to come to canada again, i think due to harrasment by our moral watchdogs at the border (gr). - -jascha ------------------------------ From: Torsten Nielsen Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 16:24:26 +0100 (MET) Subject: Mori/Zorn/Patton Just wondering what stuff the Mori/Zorn/Patton plays... Is it composed or improvised...? ------------------------------ From: Torsten Nielsen Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 22:13:12 +0100 (MET) Subject: Derek Bailey + The Ruins I just read that Derek Bailey will "probably" be playing two concerts with The Ruins in England in a few months. I thought that Masuda had left... Is there a new bass player? Jonas ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #47 ****************************** To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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