From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #79 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Sender: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Friday, April 25 1997 Volume 02 : Number 079 In this issue: Re: More Laswell Live Shows Re: Filmworks IV LIST ADMIN requests ESP & Smithsonian ESP & Smithsonian Info. on Zorn 100-CD Set? Re: Info. on Zorn 100-CD Set? Re: amm Otomo Yoshihide Website Re: amm derek bailey Re: Otomo Yoshihide Website zorn's symphonic stuff Re: zorn's symphonic stuff Re: zorn's symphonic stuff Re: zorn's symphonic stuff Re: zorn's symphonic stuff Re: derek bailey Boredoms Super Roots Masada 4 NEW TRADITIONS IN EAST ASIAN BAR BANDS available? Re: NEW TRADITIONS IN EAST ASIAN BAR BANDS available? Re: NEW TRADITIONS IN EAST ASIAN BAR BANDS available? Re: NEW TRADITIONS IN EAST ASIAN BAR BANDS available? Marc Ribot/Frisell Re: Marc Ribot/Frisell Re: Marc Ribot/Frisell ESP & Smithsonian more on Jonas Hellborg Re: Wayne Horvitz/Zony Mash in Chicago Re: Marc Ribot/Frisell Re: more on Jonas Hellborg Mishigas Re: more on Jonas Hellborg Re: more on Jonas Hellborg Medeski/Martin/Wood: Shack-man Re: Medeski/Martin/Wood: Shack-man Buckethead Re: Medeski/Martin/Wood: Shack-man Disklavier Fest Sun. April 27th at the Knit See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:52:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Howard Shih Subject: Re: More Laswell Live Shows On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Jeff Spirer wrote: > June 7, Frankfurt Transmutation Live at the International German Jazz > Festival. Derek Bailey on guitar, Bill Laswell, Invisible Scratch Pickles, > DJ Disk. This will be broadcast on German TV. Is there anyone who can tape this??? Seems like some amazing sounds will come out of this meeting. Howard Shih howards@m4dd.com Programmer/Analyst Meta 4 Digital Design Phone: 201-597-1720 Ext. 242 FAX: 201-597-1730 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:46:27 -0700 (PDT) From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: Re: Filmworks IV Dwight Haden, demi-God and Icon sez: > >So, let me get this straight - Koch somehow forced their web minding >employee to provide me with a useless, non-answer to my simple question, >and it's not his fault. Instead of taking an extra 15 seconds to type >"yes, we will be carrying DIW" or "No, we won't", the poor overworked >employee could only spare time for the above. This is defensible? >Why bother to have an business email account if you only are able to >respond with glib, worthless, non-informative answers? It doesn't reflect >well on your business. >And, while we're on the subject of 'not reflecting well', won't you please >wish Mark Perlson at the Knit a hardy "thanks for nothing" from me. This much vitriol can't be real...your goofing on us aren't you Dwight. Subtle, but funny. Boy, am I glad I "got it" and didn't end up looking stoopid. mike - ------------------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:51:56 -0700 (PDT) From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: LIST ADMIN requests Hola Funloving Zorn-List Folks! I'm taking a 2 week vacation (back east to Boston, Amherst, Providence (Terrastock Music Festival) and maybe NYC) and likely won't be near a computer. Hence, if y'all have any 'special' requests or problems that the list software, Majordomo, can't handle automagically...well then, by golly, you're gonna have to wait until my return. Now don't hit the liquor cabinet while I'm gone, mike rizzi zorn-list-owner - -- - ------------------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:29:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Wlt4@aol.com Subject: ESP & Smithsonian A recent issue of The Wire claimed that the Smithsonian was looking into buying and reissuing the ESP catalog, along with new recordings. This sounds like a joke but didn't seem to be. Does anybody know the story? Lang Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:33:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Wlt4@aol.com Subject: ESP & Smithsonian A recent issue of The Wire claimed that the Smithsonian was looking into buying and reissuing the ESP catalog, along with new recordings. This sounds like a joke but didn't seem to be. Does anybody know the story? Lang Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:39:56 EDT From: ljva@MIT.EDU Subject: Info. on Zorn 100-CD Set? I was wondering if anyone might be able to provide me with any information on the Zorn 100-Cd set? The latest Penguin Guide briefly alludes to the fact that this set is in preparation. Also, I recall one or two persons in this group making off-hand comments about this mamouth set. Any information as to availability, price, etc. for this set would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, - -james ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:49:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw Subject: Re: Info. on Zorn 100-CD Set? On Tue, 22 Apr 1997 ljva@MIT.EDU wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone might be able to provide me with any information > on the Zorn 100-Cd set? The latest Penguin Guide briefly alludes to the fact > that this set is in preparation. Also, I recall one or two persons in this > group making off-hand comments about this mamouth set. Any information as to > availability, price, etc. for this set would be greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks, > > -james Last I heard, it was postponed until this year sometime. I emailed Sound Factory (sfactory@speednet.net) a coupla weeks ago and have heard nothing (not even an autoresponder). :-( They were pretty responsive when the set was first announced, so unless they're too busy working on it to respond to emails :-), I don't know what's going on. Y'all might try emailing them and if they get enough, they might respond to one of us. cya brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 23:14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: amm In a message dated 4/22/97 8:44:33 PM, improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) wrote: <<>hallo >could anybody make any recomendations concerning AMM? There seem to be >quite a lot of releases by >them around. >Thanks >Nick V Isn't it a great world when there's too many AMM discs to coose from? Seriously, I'd recommend any/all of them except for 2: The disc of duos between Lou Gare and Eddie Prevost, which is not bad, but is much more conventionally "jazz" than other AMM, and "It had been an ordinary enough day in Pueblo, Colorado", on ECM/JAPO, on which Keith Rowe tries to imitate a rock guitarist. Many people prefer their earlier recordings, I personally like the more recent Tilbury/Rowe/Prevost trio, but all are pretty essential. Also worth checking out is Keith Rowe's solo disc, "A Dimension of Perfectly Ordinary Reality".>> I agree with pretty much everything Dave said and would just like to add that AMM are a band where the more of their records that you hear, the more it allows you to appreciate their entire oeuvre. Good places to start would be The Crypt, a double disc from the late sixties and the loudest, noisiest thing they've done; Live In Allentown, a superb document from 1994 of the trio who make up the core group; The Nameless Uncarved Block, maybe the best place for jazz fans to start since it adds tenor sax player Lou Gare to the trio (1990); or The Inexhaustible Document (1987) which adds cellist Rohan de Saram of the Arditti Quartet to the trio. Also, last year's 3 CD release Laminal contains two brilliant, essential performances with the third disc not quite as good. The only other starting place I would say to avoid (besides the two Dave mentioned) is From A Strange Place (PSF), which hasn't grabbed me like most of their other stuff. Also, you could start at the start chronologically, with AMMusic 1966 on ReR. Enough for now, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:00:22 +1000 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Otomo Yoshihide Website Hi, Just found the great Otomo Yoshihide website (http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/yotomo/yotomo.html). This 's gotta link to a touring schedule for Otomo - a great and useful thing. Any chance someone in the bigtallbuilding that is Koch could do such a thing for Zorn? Or maybe somebody else? Anyways, cheers Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:40:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: amm On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Matt Colonnese wrote: > Buy _AMMusic_ (recently rereleased with extra stuff, and the > cheapest AMM disk you'll find) for this era. There's also _The Crypt_, but > it's much more expensive. Note, though, that it's _The Crypt_ is also a 2-CD set. I prefer it slightly to _AMMMusic 1966_, although AMM's music is so difficult for me to fit into a standard conceptual apparatus that I'm unable to explain this kind of fine distinction. > I don't know a good 80's disk to recomend, but from the 90's_ > Nameless Uncarved Block_ and _NewFoundland_ are both great. The two 80's records I own are _Generative Themes_ and _The Inexhaustible Document_. The latter is much like the two 90's records, except that it includes Rohan de Saram (of the Arditti Quartet) on cello and it's slightly (and inexplicably) less appealing to me than the 90's records. _Generative Themes_ is another story. The first time I listened to this, I inadvertantly played it at 45 rpm, and Prevost's playing sounded shockingly Elvin Jones-influenced. At the correct 33 rpm, it no longer sounds so jazz-oriented, but it's still by far the most conventionally musical thing I've heard by AMM. I quite like it, although I'd go for any of Matt's recommendations first. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 07:31:05 CST From: "Mark Cook" Subject: derek bailey >Currently listening to _Dart Drug_, Derek Bailey's duet album with >percussionist Jamie Muir, who really needs to record more Does anyone know where to find Dart Drug in the US? - -mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:13:43 -0400 From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: Otomo Yoshihide Website >Just found the great Otomo Yoshihide website >(http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/yotomo/yotomo.html). This 's gotta link >to a touring schedule for Otomo - a great and useful thing. Any chance >someone in the bigtallbuilding that is Koch could do such a thing for >Zorn? Or maybe somebody else? Don't hold your breath waiting for Koch to do it (and it's a bigFLATbuilding, by the way), but maybe this could be incorporated into M. Rizzi's upcoming Tzadik site...? Steve Smith ssmith@knittingfactory.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:58:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Burns Subject: zorn's symphonic stuff hey, i've seen a few of zorn's symphonic and chamber pieces performed at the NEC in boston, and i was wondering if anybody knew if any recordings existed of this stuff. also, if anybody was at the NEC last tuesday, who was the conductor of the zorn piece in the shiny pants and studded belt? thanks, chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:27:21 -0500 (EST) From: Scott T Chamberlin Subject: Re: zorn's symphonic stuff There are at least two recordings of string quartets done by the Kronos Quartet. One is on there Winter was Hard, the quartet is also on one of Zorns releases, I cant remember which. And another in on Kronos' Short Stories release. I do not remember the names of either of them off hand, but the one on Winter was Hard is the best of the two in my opinion, and that release is propbably the best String Quartet release I have ever heard. scott chamberlin chambest@cs.purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:47:19 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: zorn's symphonic stuff On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:27:21 -0500 (EST) Scott T Chamberlin wrote: > > There are at least two recordings of string quartets done by the Kronos > Quartet. One is on there Winter was Hard, the quartet is also on one > of Zorns releases, I cant remember which. And another in on Kronos' > Short Stories release. I do not remember the names of either of them > off hand, but the one on Winter was Hard is the best of the two in > my opinion, and that release is propbably the best String Quartet > release I have ever heard. One less known: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 111 - REAL TIME 2: Yuji Takahashi conducts music by Zorn, Miyake, Maceda This record features three compositions by John Zorn, Haruna Miyake, and Jose Maceda. 1/ For Your Eyes Only (John Zorn) 13:25 2-5/ The Time Of Melancholy (Haruna Miyake) 22:58 6/ Dissemination (Jose Maceda) 33:54 Recorded on February 6, 1991 Tokyo Symphony Orchestra conducted by Yuji Takahashi; Masahiko Togashi (2-5): percussions; Haruna Miyake (2-5): piano, synthesizer; Jose Maceda: conductor on (6). 1991 - Fontec (Japan), FOCD3151 (CD) Note: Zorn does not play on this record. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:36:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Carlson Subject: Re: zorn's symphonic stuff >Kronos Quartet is also on one of Zorns releases, I can't remember which. They perform Forbidden Fruit on Spillane. >And another is on Kronos' Short Stories release. I do not remember the names >of either of them off hand... The name of the Zorn song on Short Stories is "Cat O' Nine Tails (Tex Avery Directs the Marquis de Sade)" Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:52:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Cline Subject: Re: zorn's symphonic stuff On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Scott T Chamberlin wrote: > There are at least two recordings of string quartets done by the Kronos > Quartet. One is on there Winter was Hard, the quartet is also on one > of Zorns releases, I cant remember which. And another in on Kronos' > Short Stories release. I do not remember the names of either of them > off hand, but the one on Winter was Hard is the best of the two in > my opinion, and that release is propbably the best String Quartet > release I have ever heard. > scott chamberlin > chambest@cs.purdue.edu > > Winter was Hard and Zorn's Spillane both include Forbidden Fruit, for quartet, voice, and turntable. Short Stories includes Cat O' Nine Tails (John Zorn directs Tex Avery) - -Peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:30:13 -0400 From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: derek bailey >>Currently listening to _Dart Drug_, Derek Bailey's duet album with >>percussionist Jamie Muir, who really needs to record more > >Does anyone know where to find Dart Drug in the US? > >-mark There are probably more than a few stores that have it, but in this one case I'm a pretty strong advocate for ordering direct from Incus. Sure, it takes a little longer, but it puts the highest percentage of money directly in Derek's remarkably large hand. Every Incus CD is available for $20 U.S. postpaid from Incus, 14 Downs Road, London, E5 8DS England. They take cash, checks, money orders, whatever. And it's generally pretty hard to find Incus discs in stores for much less than $20 anyway. Plus then you're on the mailing list. Of course, if there's any chance your e-mail address indicates you're at UT-Austin, you don't really have to go any further than Waterloo... Steve Smith ssmith@knittingfactory.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:09:19 -0400 From: "Andy Marks" Subject: Boredoms Super Roots I've got Super Roots 1 and Super Roots 6 (i think, maybe 5). Does anyone know if 2 - 5 were ever released? If so, anyone know where I could get them from? - ------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Marks Software Engineer MTS-PowerTek, Inc. - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:39:10 -0600 From: dennis summers Subject: Masada 4 Hey guys, I've been unavoidably out of touch for the last few weeks, and likely the next few. Just wanted to drop a line and let you know that last week I received Masada 4 in the mail from Depth Charge (England) at a fairly reasonable price of about 14 lbs (`21 US bucks?), on charge card. It looks legit to me, although the ink on the cd itself seems to be a different color and texture than all the rest. yours in zornocity --ds ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:34:26 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: NEW TRADITIONS IN EAST ASIAN BAR BANDS available? Me again... Now that April 22nd is behind us, I might have more luck :-). I asked this question few weeks ago and none of the people who answered it had the record in their hand. Is it still the case? Does anybody succeeded in getting it? Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:30:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "wesley@interaccess.com" Subject: Re: NEW TRADITIONS IN EAST ASIAN BAR BANDS available? On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > Me again... Now that April 22nd is behind us, I might have more > luck :-). Sorry to dissapoint, but I think this has been pushed back to May 20th, at least in the US. Just in case anyone else was wondering, Naked City's _Black Box_ and Zorn's _Filmworks IV_ both did come out on Tuesday. _Black Box_ is a 2CD set priced at $20. It comes in a standard 2CD case so both _Torture Garden_ and _Leng T'che_ are on individual discs. There are copies of the original booklets for each disc and the former back covers now appear inside the case behind a clear disc holder. There is also a booklet talking about the artwork. Really cool, especially if you never could find _Leng T'che_ at a decent price. And then of course there's the little matter that I'm convinced _Torture Garden_ is one of the greatest albums of all time.... Does anyone know if Tzadik is planning on getting the rights to _Filmworks I_ from Warner Bros.? I thought I heard someone mention something of the sort a whiles back, but I'm not sure. Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat, Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:56:26 +0200 (MESZ) From: BJOERN Subject: Re: NEW TRADITIONS IN EAST ASIAN BAR BANDS available? > > Me again... Now that April 22nd is behind us, I might have more > luck :-). > > I asked this question few weeks ago and none of the people who > answered it had the record in their hand. > > Is it still the case? Does anybody succeeded in getting it? > > Patrice. > yepp, here in europe it is out...it was released the same day as Masada 4 here. my local record store has it....i just had not enuff money to buy it cause i bought the Burt Bacharach double CD (was more important in my opinion)...but i looked at the booklets and stuff......so here is some info i can give: the CD has three (!) booklets...one for each piece (this Zorn guy because kinda weird LOL)....one piece is played by Frith and Frisell....one has Joey Baron and someone else (cannot remember who it was) and one features Wayne Horvitz and someone else...the material was written and recorded during 1988 and 1996..... each piece (3 pieces in complete) features two instrumentalists and one narrator (i guess who tells some stuff in asian languages)..... sorry thats all i can say......one of the covers looks very similar to "Torture Garden"...when i first saw it i thought.....hey new Naked City CD....(all the guys of Naked City play on this CD!! BJOERN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:11:26 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: NEW TRADITIONS IN EAST ASIAN BAR BANDS available? Paul, On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:30:00 -0500 (CDT) "wesley@interaccess.com" wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > > Me again... Now that April 22nd is behind us, I might have more > > luck :-). > > Sorry to dissapoint, but I think this has been pushed back to May 20th, at > least in the US. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have not received at least one positive answer from Europe... I am getting more and more convinced that the record has been postponed. Will NEW TRADITIONS... end up like the KF COBRA (always announced, never in the stores :-)? Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:39:39 -0500 From: kmurren@wesleyan.edu (keefe j murren) Subject: Marc Ribot/Frisell Hey, Has anyone heard/know anything about the new Marc Ribot album: Shoe String Symphonettes? or the new Frisell album: Nashville? Thanks, keefe j murren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:55:15 -0400 From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: Marc Ribot/Frisell >Hey, > > Has anyone heard/know anything about the new Marc Ribot album: Shoe String >Symphonettes? or the new Frisell album: Nashville? The Frisell album is an album of very country-influenced instrumentals interspersed with a few very folkish vocals by Robin Holcomb - one Neil Young tune (don't remember which one), one old pop tune ("It's the End of the World" - NOT the REM song), one old folk tune ("May Jesus Wash the Bloodstains from Your Hands"). It's performed with members of Alison Krauss's band Union Station. It's lovely, but if you're waiting for Frisell to step out and WAIL you'll be waiting a long time. It's really not a jazz album, just Frisell examining the roots of an obvious source of his distinctive style. There's a great piece on Frisell (along with pieces on Wayne Horvitz, Bill Laswell and Butch Morris and a great Harvey Pekar review of "Bar Kokhba") in the new issue of Jazziz. (Look for a bright yellow cover with a squiggly self-portrait of Bill on the cover.) Jazziz - whoulda thunk? Steve ssmith@knittingfactory.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:28:04 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Marc Ribot/Frisell On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:55:15 -0400 Steve Smith wrote: > > There's a great piece on Frisell (along with pieces on Wayne Horvitz, Bill > Laswell and Butch Morris and a great Harvey Pekar review of "Bar Kokhba") > in the new issue of Jazziz. (Look for a bright yellow cover with a > squiggly self-portrait of Bill on the cover.) Jazziz - whoulda thunk? ^^^^^^^ Something used to annoy me a lot with JAZZIZ: the editorial with the picture of the editor in a corporate room three-piece suit and a satisfied smile. The picture was enough to turn me of :-). I don't know if the editor is the same, but the removal of the picture coincided with a significant increase in the quality of the magazine (which starting from zero...). As I said in a previous mail, the regular readers are still left behind (as the music pool shows: Grover Washington and Kenny G still the best soprano sax players). Is the magazine running for suicide? This last issue is really surprising and I could not resist buying it! Magazine going down is common. The opposite is very rare. How long the regular readers of the magazine will tolerate such innovation? Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:42:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Wlt4@aol.com Subject: ESP & Smithsonian A recent issue of The Wire claimed that the Smithsonian was looking into buying and reissuing the ESP catalog, along with new recordings. This sounds like a joke but didn't seem to be. Does anybody know the story? Lang Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:53:05 -0400 (EDT) From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: more on Jonas Hellborg Sorry I am replying late, but to whoever had a chance to see him in Charlottesville, I hope you did. I heard that it was an incredible show. The musicians he is currently playing with are guitarist Shawn Lane, and drummer Jeff Sipe (aka Apt. Q258). Check out these recordings: "Two Doors" by Michael Shreive. This features the above mentioned trio. And on the other half of the cd, it features the trio of Shrieve, Bill Frisell, and Wayne Horvitz! So you cant go wrong with this one. Ginger Baker- "Unseen Rain" featuring Jonas on acoustic, and Jens Johansson on piano. Trilok Gurtu- "Usfret" great record by the percussion master, this also features Don Cherry, L. Shankar, Ralph Towner, Nana Vasconcelos, et al. And Jonas' own recordings: "Temporal Analogues of Paradise" with Shawn Lane and Jeff Sipe. I guess what you would call improvised fusion, its live, and pretty intense. "Abstract Logic" with Shawn Lane and Kofi baker (Ginger's son) on drums. "e" This is a killer one, Jonas on electric bass, and Jens and Anders Johansson on organ and drums. Very dry, funky, in your face recording. For a really abstract one, check out RAF - "Ode to a Tractor" which features Laswell, Peter Brotzman, Jamal Evans, Otto Van Waldenberg, and some others. His solo acoustic bass albums are great, like "Elegant Punk" and "The Silent Life". Actually I like anything where he plays acoustic bass (Ars Moriende, Octave of the Holy Innocents, etc.) I personally LOVE "The Word", with Tony Williams and the Soldier string quartet. I have definitely heard worse sounding records on Axiom (wont say which ones!) Jonas is an extremist, his recordings and tastes run the gamut. There is a record called "No Other World" by Shining Path where he plays mostly distorted electric bass- its borderline death metal, played at insane speeds. I cant think of too many more bass players whos tastes and styles are so wide ranging. There are only two Mahavishnu records that feature Jonas. Unfortunately there were no recordings put out by the McLaughlin, Hellborg, Trilok Gurtu trio. Or the McLaughlin/ Hellborg duo, although these groups toured alot in the mid to late eighties. I also dont think Jonas has ever done any solo bass performances in the US, but he has in Europe, where he is much more popular than he is here. Jody McAllister IOUaLive1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:27:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Damianbndi@aol.com Subject: Re: Wayne Horvitz/Zony Mash in Chicago Hello friends: Wayne Horvitz and Zony Mash will perform a free concert at 4.00 pm on Saturday April 26th. The location is at the Jazz Recored Mart--444 North Wabash. 1-312/222-1467. Later that same day, they will be at the Beat Kitchen at 10.00 pm. The address is 2100 West Belmont. 1-773/281-4444. If you are able to make it and help support them and the stores/clubs that bring em, drop in and hear the music. "Once it is gone..." Best Damian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:08:05 -0400 From: peter tush Subject: Re: Marc Ribot/Frisell keefe j murren wrote: > > Hey, > > Has anyone heard/know anything about the new Marc Ribot album: Shoe String > Symphonettes? or the new Frisell album: Nashville? > > Thanks, > keefe j murren I mentioned this earlier, so skip it if you've heard it before, but I was really surprised and pleased by Ribot's "Shoe String Symphonettes," which is quite varied. It has a couple Jazz Passenger/Lounge Lizard ensemble cuts from 1987 (without the Luries), a Cuban-style band piece, a solo acoustic flamenco-tinged cut, several nice, dark chamber pieces for string trio (bass, violin and guitar), several pieces with Dave Douglas that sound like Evan Lurie compositions, and some downtown jumpcut style compositions for "Aleta Queen of Mars" that shift between European aleatory-chamber and schlocky, overly familiar beer hall/march tunes. This is primarily a composer's album, so there is nothing like "Shrek" or "Rootless Cosmopolitans" except for a very brief surf riff and a quoted riff from "Jesus Christ Superstar" (!!). Nor is there anything remotely resembling his playing on the Tom Waits and Elvis Costello albums. I like it alot, but it is probably not what you would expect. Recommended. For some great Ribot guitar playing (especially compared to "Shoestring..."), try Zorn's new "Music for Films v.III." This is definitely the one I was waiting for, with part of it resembling "Godard." Definitely a varied release, similar to "Music for Films v.2" Ribot's playing is great, especially on the Zorn/Ribot duets. By the way, has anyone heard Elliott Sharp's "Figure to Ground" yet? Any opinions? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:11:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim McLoughlin Subject: Re: more on Jonas Hellborg According to IOUaLive1@aol.com: > > Sorry I am replying late, but to whoever had a chance to see him in > Charlottesville, I hope you did. I heard that it was an incredible show. I had the pleasure of seeing this show. Very good indeed. Jonas Hellborg was wandering all over the stage - standing on the bass cabinets, hiding in the shadows in the corner, dancing in a robotic fashion, etceteras. The music was quite funkin. Hellborg played bass solos at very high speeds, and was really busy playing chords and two notes at once. During the last number, Jeff Sipe (APT Q-258, also he tore it up the whole time doing very cool cymbal work) started to freak out and knocked over the mic stand above the drum set (seemingly accidentally). It fell, knocking over two of his cymbals, with the mic ending up pressed against another cymbal. Then Hellborg was hitting his bass against the knocked over equipment, Sipe played Hellborg's bass with his drum sticks, and Sipe rounded out the tune playing his beat up drum set. Quite the finale. There were tapers patched into the soundboard, if any would mind settign up a trade for this show, please contact me. Also, on the Shawn Lane=Buckethead rumor tip, I heard (again just hearsay as I have never seen buckethead) that buckethead is not as big a guy as Shawn Lane. So was that just unfounded jiberish? Seeya! - -- Jim McLoughlin jm8w@virginia.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:15:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim McLoughlin Subject: Mishigas Hi there There is a show in my town featuring kitting factory artists Mishigas playing free-jazz type stuff next Tuesday in Charlottesville (according to local newspaper). There are two opening bands so the whole lineup is: Harry Pussy Pelt Mishigas Can anyone give me information on any of the above bands as I have not heard them before. Thanks. -- Jim McLoughlin jm8w@virginia.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:30:02 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: more on Jonas Hellborg At 12:11 AM 4/25/97 -0400, Jim McLoughlin wrote: > Also, on the Shawn Lane=Buckethead rumor tip, I heard (again just >hearsay as I have never seen buckethead) that buckethead is not as >big a guy as Shawn Lane. So was that just unfounded jiberish? Well to start with, I know Buckethead, I know who his family is, and I know their name is not Lane. I have never seen Shawn Lane. Buckethead is about 6'6" tall and skinny as a scarecrow. Probably can't weigh more than 150, despite his height. So if Shawn Lane is big, I seriously doubt that it is anything but jiberish (or gibberish.) Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Howard Shih Subject: Re: more on Jonas Hellborg On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Jim McLoughlin wrote: > Also, on the Shawn Lane=Buckethead rumor tip, I heard (again just > hearsay as I have never seen buckethead) that buckethead is not as > big a guy as Shawn Lane. So was that just unfounded jiberish? I've got a copy of an article from Guitar Player where Buckethead was unmasked as... Brian Carroll from somewhere in California. Err... Let me bring the article in tommorrow and I'll post the exact details but I do remember Buckethead isn't Shawn Lane. Did anyone catch the Wetlands show??? Howard Shih howards@m4dd.com Programmer/Analyst Meta 4 Digital Design Phone: 201-597-1720 Ext. 242 FAX: 201-597-1730 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:06:51 +0200 From: Friedrich Feger Subject: Medeski/Martin/Wood: Shack-man Hi, I just purchased Medeski/Martin/Wood: "Shack-man", and I'm a little disappointed. I dug the couple of notes Medeski plays on Zorn's "Bar Kokhba" much more than the whole record of his own trio. IMO most pieces sound like a seventies soul or fusion band playing rhythm tracks, but the vocal track was finally forgotten. The only thing which brings it in the neighbourhood of NY downtown music are occasional hysterical breakouts *grin* of single musicians, never of the whole band. Some time ago there was a discussion on Medeski setting a new Hammond-B3 sound paradigm - I can't share this opinion. Not only his B3 sounds quite familiar to me, also his Wurlitzer and analog Synthesizer stuff is no real step forward compared to the original seventies stuff (One thing I like very much is the toy piano he uses, and some percussion and the double bass on the first track are cool too). Plus the groove orientated setting doesn't always keep the promise: I think they (mainly Medeski himself) are some(few)times on top of the beat, means light. Any other or similar opinions? Trivia: Since the whole thing was recorded in Hawaii I wonder if the trio lives there. Does anybody know about that? Fritz. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:47:58 +0000 From: Scott Russell Subject: Re: Medeski/Martin/Wood: Shack-man - --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friedrich Feger wrote: > > Hi, > > I just purchased Medeski/Martin/Wood: "Shack-man", and I'm a little > disappointed. I dug the couple of notes Medeski plays on Zorn's "Bar > Kokhba" much more than the whole record of his own trio. IMO most pieces > sound like a seventies soul or fusion band playing rhythm tracks, but the > vocal track was finally forgotten. The only thing which brings it in the > neighbourhood of NY downtown music are occasional hysterical breakouts > *grin* of single musicians, never of the whole band. Some time ago there > was a discussion on Medeski setting a new Hammond-B3 sound paradigm - I > can't share this opinion. Not only his B3 sounds quite familiar to me, also > his Wurlitzer and analog Synthesizer stuff is no real step forward compared > to the original seventies stuff (One thing I like very much is the toy > piano he uses, and some percussion and the double bass on the first track > are cool too). Plus the groove orientated setting doesn't always keep the > promise: I think they (mainly Medeski himself) are some(few)times on top of > the beat, means light. Any other or similar opinions? > > Trivia: Since the whole thing was recorded in Hawaii I wonder if the trio > lives there. Does anybody know about that? > > Fritz. Fritz I too had a copy of Shack Man and also found it disappointing. Despite many people on this list's comments that Medeski is the 'Hendrix' of the Hammond I found the feel of the whole thing to be basically 70's fusion with a slick 90's finish. There's no doubt MMW are great players but then so is Stanley Clarke, that doesn't make him any more pleasurable to listen to. A dash of hip hop and funky Hammond does not hide the fact that there is an awful lot of 'muso' technoflash going on in MMW. Great chops do not make a great musician: imagination does that. I don't listen to Zorn because he can play sheets of demi-semi quavers in funny time signatures. I listen to him because of the sounds he invents, the contexts he uses them in and the places they take me. There are too many people who are worshipped because of their technical prowess. Remember Frank Zappa's litany of prerequisites to satisfy the 'consumer amoeba'? Biggest, loudest, fastest, mostest. Worship of technicalities is just athletics, it has nothing to do with making music. Witness Beefheart, San Ra, Can, The Velvet Underground, The Beach Boys. All of whom made great, transcendent music that was greater than the sum of the players involved. Let's have some discussion on the content not the nuts and bolts. I'll sign off here, having offended everybody. Cheers Scott Russell. - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:44:27 -0400 From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Buckethead Just saw announced in the local arts rag here in western Mass, Buckethead will be playing a local club here. Does anyone know who is touring with him now? BTW, Jonas Hellborg is playing another day at the same place, so I doubt it's the same billing as Wetlands. - -Sean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:51:00 -0500 From: Jennifer Weintraub Subject: Re: Medeski/Martin/Wood: Shack-man RE: Trivia I was under the impression that MMW had a somewhat steady gig on Monday nights at the KF, at least this fall. I don't know if this is so right now, but reports I heard made it sound really great, if you like their music. This would preclude them from living in Hawaii, I imagine. I also know that they've spent a lot of the last few years touring, so its possible they don't even have a home. I seem to remember a Boston, or at least Eastern seabord connection. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:20:28 -0400 (EDT) From: JoLaMaSoul@aol.com Subject: Disklavier Fest Sun. April 27th at the Knit Is anyone planning on attending the Disklavier festival this weekend at the Knitting Factory? It's being currated by Elliott Sharp and features performances by several great players, as well as pre-programmed pieces. From what I understand, the Disklavier is an acoustic grand piano that has been rigged up so as to be able to be "played" remotely via various midi controllers. The show starts at 9pm and features: VERNON REID: disklavier and electric guitar JARON LANIER:theremin-controoled disklavier ZEENA PARKINS:electric harp midi'd to disklavier ELLIOTT SHARP:midi-bass clarinet with Max software triggering disklavier LUCAS LIGETTI:live pianist and disklavier There will also be new, pre-programmed pieces by such composers as: Muhal Richard Abrams, Carl Stone, Rhys Chatham, David Lang, Annie Gosfield, Ikue Mori, Anthony Coleman, Frank Rothkamm, Norman Yamada, Virgil Moorfield, Charles K. Noyes, and, I think, Wayne Horvitz. I'm heading down after the benefit for Ptolemaic Terrascope magazine in Providence to check it out. See ya there? Jonathan LaMaster ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Saturnalia" - free improv ensemble... "...a festival of excess" "...more fun than nude Greco-Roman wrestling" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #79 ****************************** To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-zorn-list": subscribe zorn-list-digest local-zorn-list@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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