From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #117 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Sender: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Friday, September 5 1997 Volume 02 : Number 117 In this issue: Frisell dates Re: preZorn Zorn Scores? Re: Frisell dates Re: preZorn Re: Rivbea Re: preZorn Re: preZorn Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #116 Re: Official Buckethead Web site RMB MEV Re: preZorn Re: RMB painkiller re-release BCMA Fall Schedule, w/ Cul de Sac's Faust soundtrack Re: Rivbea See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:27:09 -0400 (EDT) From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Frisell dates Here are some Bill Frisell dates, if anyone's interested. PAUL MOTIAN TRIO FEATURING BILL FRISELL & JOE LOVANO Tues Sept. 16 thru Sun. Sept. 21 Village Vanguard, NYC BILL FRISELL QUARTET (w/ RON MILES, CURTIS FOWLKES & EYVIND KANG) Wed, Sept. 24 Harn Museum, Gainesville, FL Thur, Sept. 25 Variety Playhouse, Atlanta, GA Fri, Sept. 26 Laurel Theater, Knoxville, TN Sun, Sept. 28 Outpost, Albuquerque, NM Mon, Sept. 29 Outpost, Albuquerque, NM Wed, Oct. 1 Santa Fe Music Hall, Santa Fe, NM Fri, Oct. 3 Boulder Theater, Boulder, CO Sat, Oct. 4 Bates Recital Hall, UT Austin, TX JOEY BARON'S DOWN HOME BAND feat. BILL FRISELL, ARTHUR BLYTHE & RON CARTER Wed & Thu, Oct. 15 &16 Knitting Factory, NYC BILL FRISELL'S NASHVILLE TRIO feat. JERRY DOUGLAS & VIKTOR KRAUSS Wed, Oct. 22 Caffe Milano, Nashville, TN Thur, Oct. 23 The Walker, Minneapolis, MN Fri, Oct. 24 Museum of Our Nat'l Heritage, Lexington, MA Sat, Oct. 25 St. Ann's, Brooklyn, NY BILL FRISELL / JOEY BARON DUO Sat, Nov. 1 Fasching Club, Stockholm, SWEDEN Mon, Nov. 3 Sardinen USF, Bergen, NORWAY Tues, Nov. 4 Sting, Stavenger, NORWAY Wed, Nov. 5 Jazz House, Copenhagen, DENMARK Thu, Nov. 6 Vooruit Arts Centre, Gent, BELGIUM Sat, Nov. 8 Bimbuls, Amsterdam, HOLLAND Sun, Nov. 9 pending Koln, GERMANY Mon, Nov. 10 pending The Hague, HOLLAND Tues, Nov. 11 pending Firenze, ITALY Wed, Nov. 12 pending Catanzaro, ITALY Thur, Nov. 13 Strasbourg, FRANCE Fri, Nov. 14 Nevers, FRANCE Sat, Nov. 15 Belfast, NORTHERN IRELAND ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:15:03 -0800 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: preZorn >Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:16:11 +1000 >From: "Julian" >Subject: preZorn > >Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or >experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz >etc.? Other people have already covered the improvised music scene pretty well, so I'll just limit my comments to the experimental side of things Non-academic new music composers active before Zorn included folks associated with John Cage, both composers writing for "classical instruments like Morton Feldman, Christian Wolff, etc. & those creating pieces for live elctronics like David Tudor, the MEVgang (Alvin Curran, Richard Teitelbaum) minimalists (including lots of people who didn't & still don't use repetitive patterns), Robert Ashley & people associated with the 1960s ONCE group and/or the Center for Contemporary Music in Bay area during the 1970s (many recording on the label Lovely Music document these folks). Performing venues in NY included Experimental Intermedia Foundation (still sctive in the same place on Centre St in Chinatown) the Kitchen (now in Chelsea), and lots of loft spaces that don't exist anymore. While Roulette may be best known as a venue for downtown improvisors, it also presented many composers & performers who had (& still have) little to do with this scene. Some libraries will have a couple of books that cover this material: the Voice of New Music by Tom Johnson (composer & critic for the Village Voice), published by Apollohuis in Eindhoven, the Netherlands. & Experimental Music by Michael Nyman, published by Schirmer, I think. The current Village Voice new music critic, Kyle Gann, has a forthcoming book that sounds like it will deal with this in part, though unlike the Johnson book, it isnt' a collection of columns from the Voice. Looking at the new music scene in NY in reference to the downtown improvisors skews things to the extent that there was, and continues to be, a prety strong scene there that existed prior to the arrival of this set of folks. Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:11:01 -0700 From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) Subject: Zorn Scores? Greetings: I am involved in a newly formed contemporary music ensemble that is attempting to bring the work of composers of the last 20-30 years to the ears of America's heartland. (Greeley, Colorado to be exact.) I have a particular interest in bringing the works of the more cutting edge "underground" New York composers to light. Does anybody know if there are any Zorn scores available? I remember somebody on the list saying that they had the scores to a game piece or two. Are there "scores" available for any of the Cobra stuff or perhaps Bar Kokhba/Masada Chamber Ensemble scores floating around out there? We would also be interested in scores of Wayne Horwitz's music, Bill Laswell's music, Joey Baron's music (e.g. _Raised Pleasure Dot_), etc. If anyone has access to this type of material or knows where I might be able to find it, I would be much in your debt if you would e-mail me to let me know. Our first date is set for Oct. 12, and it would be great to have at least one Zorn piece on this concert. Thanks, Doug Tapia General Manager, MTP UNC Music Tech Press University of Northern Colorado Fraiser 108 Greeley, CO 80639 Voice: 970-351-2614 Fax: 970-351-1923 Email: mtp@unoco.edu http://arts.univnorthco.edu/mtp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:31:24 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Frisell dates IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: > JOEY BARON'S DOWN HOME BAND feat. BILL FRISELL, ARTHUR BLYTHE & RON > CARTER > Wed & Thu, Oct. 15 &16 Knitting Factory, NYC I got a look at the September/October Knitting Factory program guide today (pathetic skimpy skinny little thing...) and I noticed that while Frisell and Carter are confirmed, the saxophonist is listed as TBA. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:35:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: preZorn On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Herb Levy wrote: > the MEVgang (Alvin Curran, > Richard Teitelbaum) Can someone point me towards more information on these guys? I'm aware of recent work by Curran and Teitelbaum, but my only familiarity with MEV is a short film of a late-60's performance which really knowcked me on my ass. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Rivbea On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Brent Burton wrote: > Another great way to get a handle on the downtown loft scene that > preceded Zorn's emergence is to check out Douglas Records "Wildflower" > series, which were all recorded @ Sam Rivers' loft. The one I have > features tracks from David Murray, Julius Hemphill, Anthony Braxton, > Jimmy Lyons, Hamiet Bluiett and Oliver Lake. These haven't been > reissued that I know of, but sometimes you can find 'em for cheap and > I bet that there is an entire collection to be found on this list (if > only for taping purposes). These were issued on CD in 1995 by a label called Gravity. The volume I own doesn't have an address, I'm afraid, but it appears to be a French label. More readily available are two recent DIW's, _Hell's Kitchen_ and _Back on 52nd Street_, both part of the "Live from Soundscape" series. These were recorded later (_Hell's Kitchen_ 1978-1983, _Back on 52nd Street_ 1980-1981; _Wildflowers_ is from 1976) and so don't really predate Zorn's emergence. But they do convey a similar sense of what the loft scene was like. (I don't know how authentic that sense is, as I wasn't there.) _Hell's Kitchen_ also features Don Cherry soloing for eight minutes on a stalagmite in Mammoth Cave. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:40:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: preZorn In addition to the jazz stuff mentioned by others, I'd highly recommend checking out Air, who were really great and I gather made a big impact on the NYC scene in the mid-70's. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: preZorn On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote: > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys? unfortunately, i don't know much about MEV (would like to know more!), but i do knwo there is a CD from an old performance that is available through Anomalous and Forced Exposure. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 01:05:29 -0600 From: joshua herrin Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #116 Jody wrote: > Buckethead sells them himself for like 22 dollars, new. If you go > to his official website, I think there is an order form there, and > you can also order his other cd's, and some cassette only releases. Where is his official website located? I did a net search for about 20 minutes and found nothing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 07:48:08 -0400 From: "Andy Marks" Subject: Re: Official Buckethead Web site http://www.spiderwerks.com/bucketheadland/ ------------------------------ Date: From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: RMB Hey! Following is an excerpt from rec.music.bluenote from a thread about the attitude of big chain record store employees. > > > >"This is Memphis Slim, Lonnie Johnson, Lightnin' Hopkins. They're > >hardly obscure." I should have apologized that these discs weren't > >European electronica/trance/dub remixes of something I already bought > >last month, i.e., the sort of music Tower likes to blast over their > >sound systems to ensure brief visits by anyone under twenty. > > Hey, you can thank Laswell for some of this. Really hard shit to be open minded > about... Geez, these folks are such narrow minded a**holes. This follows another thread about how bad it is to do dub remixes of "classic" jazz. Anybody wonder about whether Coltrane's version of My Favorite Things (for example) was an expansion of an existing "classic"? How about the myriad of other "classic" jazz tunes that are in fact reworkings of older tunes? That sure seems OK. I wonder if Bill hired a band to replay these Miles tracks in dub, if the rmb elite would think it was ok. Happily, someone responded to the dreck above: >(In best Ronald Reagan voice)-- "Well, there you go again, George..." > >C'mon. Cut this ridiculous crap out. Really. C'mon. > >(This time as Tina Turner [the most happening looking 50ish/nearly 60ish >woman on Earth])-- >"What's Laswell, got to do, got to do with it?" >"What's Laswell, but a Jazz-Re-cord-Produ-cer?..." > >C'mon man. Laswell has nothing to do with "spoiling the musical tastes of >America". >And he has nothing whatsoever to do with bad management and customer >service at Virgin, Tower, Sam Goody, or Media Play. He really doesn't. > It's really too bad. I used to enjoy reading that group. THere ware some open minded folks there, and one could learn alot about the music. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Burton Subject: MEV On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote: > > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys? I think some of MEV's music is featured in the film "Zabriske Point," although they aren't on the actual soundtrack album. I also know that MEV member Richard Teitelbaum has also released some rekkids with Anthony Braxton. b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 12:41:52 -0400 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: preZorn >Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:18:37 -0500 >From: tx >Subject: Re: preZorn > >Julian wrote: >> >> Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or >> experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz >> etc.? > You might want to check out Valerie Wilmers book "As serious as your >Life" for a good overview of this stuff. God yes! This is one of the best books about music that I've ever read- great stories, details and history everywhere. The only thing I could ask for is an updated edition. Recently, she did an excellent article about Sun Ra in the lastest issue of the Wire. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:49:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: RMB On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Sean Terwilliger wrote: > I wonder if Bill hired a band to replay > these Miles tracks in dub, if the rmb elite would think it was ok. I imagine many of them probably would. Most RMBers seem to like to think of the recording process as transparent. I was especially amused by the guy on the other thread you mentioned who wrote something like, "Dub's fine, but wouldn't you rather hear an original piece of that kind of music?" An exceptional case of cluelessness. I do still find RMB a good source of info on jazz, though, as long as I stay away from the obvious hot buttons (Laswell, electric Miles, Marsalis). Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 16:20:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Zora_Simon@MBnet.MB.CA Subject: painkiller re-release I've been putting off buying Painkiller's Execution Ground album ever since I started hearing rumours that it was going to be re-released in a three disc format on the Tzadik label. It's been a while since I heard anything about this so I was wondering if anyone had any information regarding weather or not it will see the light before the end of the year. Thanks, Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: JoLaMaSoul@aol.com Subject: BCMA Fall Schedule, w/ Cul de Sac's Faust soundtrack Hey folks! The Boston Creative Music Alliance is gearing up for an amazing Fall Season at our new location! Hope to see you at some if not all of the shows! Jonathan LaMaster BCMA & UnSound Productions The Boston Creative Music Alliance, winner of a 1997 Best of Boston Award for its New Histories music series at the ICA, is pleased to announce an expanded season of programming in a new venue. The fall season includes a special monthly series featuring Boston-area performers, as well as concerts by Marty Ehrlich and the Dark Woods Ensemble, and the Equal Interest trio, featuring Joseph Jarman, Leroy Jenkins, and Myra Melford, and the Dave Douglas Sextet. All concerts will take place at the Dante Alighieri Society Cultural Center at 41 Hampshire St., Cambridge. Conveniently located at the corner of Hampshire and Portland St., near the Kendall Square cinema complex and the pubs and restaurants at One Kendall Square, the Center seats more than 200 in an intimate performance space designed by world-renowned architect, Pietro Belluschi. Only a five minute walk from the Kendall Square stop on the Red Line, the Dante also had free parking in its adjoining lot. "We are very pleased with our new home," says BCMA Director Gillian Levine, "The Dante Alighieri Center is a beautiful facility with acoustic qualities that are especially well suited to the kinds of bands we like to present." All concerts will begin at 8pm. Tickets for the Boston Series are $10. Tickets for all other concerts are $15. Tickets are available in advance at Twisted Village, 12 Elliot St., Cambridge. (617) 354-6898. For further information, photographs and press kits, call the BCMA (617) 868-3172. The BCMA Fall 1997 season includes: Boston Series Thursday, September 11. Cul de Sac play a their soundtrack to the silent film classic "Faust", by F.W. Murnau. Instrumental rock-based improvisation from an iconoclastic quartet featuring Robin Amos on synthesizer; Chris Fujiwara on bass; Glenn Jones on guitar; and Michael Knoblach on drums. Boston Series. Sunday, October 5. The Dave Bryant Quintet featuring George Garzone. The concert debut of a dynamic harmolodic quintet led by the keyboardist for Ornette Coleman and Prime Time. The band features saxophonist George Garzone, bassist John Turner, and drummers Chris Bowman and Bob Gullotti. November 1. Marty Ehrlich and the Dark Woods Ensemble. In their Boston debut, Ehrlich's chamber jazz ensemble, featuring cellist Eric Friedlander and bassist Mark Helias, will play material from their recently released double CD Live Wood (Music & Arts), recorded live during their 1996 European tour. November 7. Equal Interest, featuring saxophonist Joseph Jarman, violinist Leroy Jenkins, and pianist Myra Melford (Last heard in a sellout BCMA concert with her own quintet, The Same River, Twice). The Boston debut of a collaborative trio of new music masters whose self-titled CD debut, with Lindsey Horner and Jeffry Shanzer is due in October from Ocean Records. Boston Series. Thursday, November 13. Kobold. Saxophonist Steve Norton, trombonist Tom Plsek, bassist Craig Schildhauer, and drummer Laurence Cook celebrate the release of their debut CD on Eighth Day Records. Wednesday, December 3, Dave Douglas Sextet. New music phenomenon Douglas, impressive in his appearance with John Zorn's Masada at last year's BCMA concert at the ICA, now brings his own sextet, featuring saxophonist Chris Speed, trombonist Josh Roseman, pianist Uri Caine, bassist James Genus, and drummer Ben Perowsky, for their Boston debut. Their new CD, Stargazer, a tribute to Wayne Shorter, is scheduled for release in October. Exploring the jazz tradition fresh, creative approach to the jazz tradition of the 1960s. Boston series. Thursday December 11. Either/Orchestra. The BCMA is proud to present the first Boston appearance by the Either/Orchestra in a year. A corner stone of new music in Boston and one of the leading big bands in the US, this 10-piece ensemble . The Boston Creative Music Alliance, a nonprofit corporation dedicated to presenting new improvised music, gratefully acknowledges the support of the Englehard Foundation, anonymous private donations,. Funded in part by a grant from the New England Foundation for the Arts, and Meet the Composer, Inc., with support from the Metropolitan Life Foundation and ASCAP, with additional support from the Massachusetts Cultural Council, and the National Endowment for the Arts. Design consultants: Tabula Rasa. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 21:51:37 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Rivbea Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Brent Burton wrote: > > > Another great way to get a handle on the downtown loft scene that > > preceded Zorn's emergence is to check out Douglas Records "Wildflower" > > series, which were all recorded @ Sam Rivers' loft. The one I have > > features tracks from David Murray, Julius Hemphill, Anthony Braxton, > > Jimmy Lyons, Hamiet Bluiett and Oliver Lake. These haven't been > > reissued that I know of, but sometimes you can find 'em for cheap and > > I bet that there is an entire collection to be found on this list (if > > only for taping purposes). > > These were issued on CD in 1995 by a label called Gravity. The volume I > own doesn't have an address, I'm afraid, but it appears to be a French > label. More readily available are two recent DIW's, _Hell's Kitchen_ and > _Back on 52nd Street_, both part of the "Live from Soundscape" series. > These were recorded later (_Hell's Kitchen_ 1978-1983, _Back on 52nd > Street_ 1980-1981; _Wildflowers_ is from 1976) and so don't really predate > Zorn's emergence. But they do convey a similar sense of what the loft > scene was like. (I don't know how authentic that sense is, as I wasn't > there.) _Hell's Kitchen_ also features Don Cherry soloing for eight > minutes on a stalagmite in Mammoth Cave. > > Chris Hamilton one of those 'Live From soundscape' albums has a recording of an improvisation by George Lewis and Derek Bailey which I really like. Those are some cool albums. Ed Blackwell is on one and Don Cherry etc. -Tom Pratt ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #117 ******************************* To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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