From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #134 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Sender: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Wednesday, October 15 1997 Volume 02 : Number 134 In this issue: The MELA Foundation web site is up Re: Dave Douglas Sextet/Stargazer DXT re: painkiller re-issues Re: painkiller re-issues Re: Dave Douglas Sextet/Stargazer mystery (to me) group Re: Nov. Koch releases. Bill Frisell in Texas Praxis Re: Nov. Koch releases. Re: Praxis Re: Bill Frisell in Texas Re: Bill Frisell in Texas Re: Bill Frisell in Texas re: painkiller re-issues Re: mystery (to me) group Re: DXT Re: Nov. Koch releases. Re: Bill Frisell in Texas See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 04:16:01 -0400 (EDT) From: DMB5561719@aol.com Subject: The MELA Foundation web site is up The MELA Foundation web site is up. Information about Pandit Pran Nath, La Monte Young and Marian Zazeela and their art and music. http://www.virtulink.com/mela/main.htm Dream House: Seven Years of Sound and Light has also reopened for the season. Information at the above site. * . * . . D a v i d B e a r d s l e y .. dmb5561719@aol.com * * .. * ... .* .... *.. .. * I M M P & B i i n k! m u s i c * . . * .. .. * .. .. * . J u x t a p o s i t i o n Ezine * * . .. .* . .*.. . .. . . .*. . . . . .. * . http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * . . . . .. .*.. * . . . .* ..*. . .. . *. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:55:20 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Dave Douglas Sextet/Stargazer What Wayne Shorter tunes are on the album? On The Milky Way Express was broadcast from the Vortex, when they were in UK; in Birmingham, the focus was more on Little (or, at least, on In Our Lifetime) because Kenny Wheeler was specially guesting. But they did play one original ("Goldfish"?) that was said to be part of the upcoming Shorter album. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:28:34 +0200 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: DXT Yesterday I was listening to the excellent DXT-contributions on the Bill Laswell-compilations Vallis (I & II) and altered beats. I know that DXT is the same person as DST, who was scratching on "rock-it" of Herbie Hancock. Does anybody know what DXT has been doing in between this recordings (quite a long time, since "rock-it" was early 80's if I remember well !) and are there any solo-recordings by him ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:07:29 -0600 From: louie Subject: re: painkiller re-issues > Someone in the chat section of the Dub Terrorist's pages said that > Tzadik would be re-issuing "Guts of a Virgin", "Buried Secrets" and the > 3 disc "Execution Ground" later this year. Of course, he didn't say how > he came by this information. i read the same thing, if anyone in the know has any info i'm sure there are many zorn-list folks who would love to find out if this is true.(these albums are slowly becoming larger than life, hopefully when the day comes that i hear them (i have execution ground) i'm not disappointed!);\ maybe if we whine enuff they'll release all three plus "rituals" as a box set. maybe they could call it "pill box" or "you can't find that in stores anymore (vol.1 -4)" or "the valium years" or... (sorry guys, it's kind of early) - -louie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:11:47 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: painkiller re-issues On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:07:29 -0600 louie wrote: > > > Someone in the chat section of the Dub Terrorist's pages said that > > Tzadik would be re-issuing "Guts of a Virgin", "Buried Secrets" and the > > 3 disc "Execution Ground" later this year. Of course, he didn't say how > > he came by this information. > > i read the same thing, if anyone in the know has any info i'm sure there > are many zorn-list folks who would love to find out if this is > true.(these albums are slowly becoming larger than life, hopefully when > the day comes that i hear them (i have execution ground) i'm not > disappointed!);\ > > maybe if we whine enuff they'll release all three plus "rituals" as a > box set. maybe they could call it "pill box" or "you can't find that in > stores anymore (vol.1 -4)" or "the valium years" or... Last news: EXECUTION GROUND (the 3xCD set with LIVE IN OSAKA) should be reissued by Tzadik next January or February Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:13:08 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Dave Douglas Sextet/Stargazer On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:55:20 GMT0BST DR S WILKIE wrote: > > What Wayne Shorter tunes are on the album? On The Milky > Way Express was broadcast from the Vortex, when they were in UK; in > Birmingham, the focus was more on Little (or, at least, on In > Our Lifetime) because Kenny Wheeler was specially guesting. > But they did play one original ("Goldfish"?) that was said to be part - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 073 - STARGAZER: Dave Douglas 1/ Spring Ahead (Douglas) 4:24 2/ Goldfish (Douglas) 10:28 3/ Stargazer (Douglas) 6:39 4/ Four Sleepers (Douglas) 10:23 5/ On The Milky Way Express (Wayne Shorter) 4:12 6/ Pug Nose (Wayne Shorter) 4:41 7/ Dark Sky (Douglas) 5:53 8/ Intuitive Science (Douglas) 8:49 9/ Diana (Wayne Shorter) 4:32 Recorded on December 30, 1996 Dave Douglas: trumpet; Chris Speed: tenor, clarinet; Joshua Roseman: trom- bone; Uri Caine: piano; James Genus: bass; Joey Baron: drums. 1997 - Arabesque (USA), AJ0132 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:11:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Anthony Fabio Subject: mystery (to me) group has anyone heard of a band called N.A.D.? i think they are an italian band. i keep seeing at a used CD store a CD by them in which i have been tempted to buy several times. zeena parkins, sonny sharrock, elliot sharp and others play on various cuts. the album is titled something like "ghosts". tony |=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| Here we go Steelers, here we go! |Anthony Fabio, MPH, RD, Doctoral Student|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Department of Epidemiology | E-mail: EPI2110f+@pitt.edu or | | University of Pittsburgh | AFAST1@vms.cis.pitt.edu | ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:36:17 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Nov. Koch releases. On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 03:00:00 -0400 Steve Smith wrote: > > and Takeishi (Henry Threadgill).(Speaking of the "Lunatic Fringe," I saw > several NEW boxes of Bible Launcher CDs today at the office of the > company that oversees production of Tzadik releases, so I guess it's > time to uncork THAT bottle again...) Hum... > > SHAKUSHAIN - DESERT IN HAND > > Knitting Factory Works 215 > > Dr. Umezu is swell. Wasn't there a small band release by him this month > on KFW, featuring Ribot and Horvitz among others? Yep and it seems to be out: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 092 - FIRST DESERTER: Umezu Kazutoki Umezu Kazutoki: soprano, saxcello, alto, baritone saxophone, clarinet, bass clarinet, penny whistle, kojok, kehn; Marc Ribot: guitars, alto trumpet; Wayne Horvitz: piano, organ, keyboards, kehn; Tom Cora: cello, kehn; Sam Bennett, drums, percussion, samples, loops, kehn. 1995 - Off Note (Japan), ON-7 (CD) 1997 - Knitting Factory Works (USA), KFW 214 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ really looking for it! Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:43:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Michael Mathis Subject: Bill Frisell in Texas I saw Bill Frisell (quartet) about a week ago in Austin. The show was absolutely amazing, in my opinion. At the beginning he said, "We've never been here before. So this is Texas? Sure doesn't seem like it." Later, after much applause and a couple encores, he said, "We should have come here a long time ago." This brings up an interesting question. Why doesn't anybody come to Texas? When painkiller toured for "execution ground" they played on the coasts and in like Chicago. Why? I know tons of people here that would love to see John Zorn play. Mark Mathis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:48:08 PDT From: "David Brunelle" Subject: Praxis While looking through CDNow, I noticed that Subharmonic is preparing to issue "1984" on CD the beginning of November. I assume this is part of their plan to make money off of Laswell, since he stopped putting stuff out on the label. I also saw "Transmutations Live" listed at $12.99. Does this mean that Douglas finally found US distribution? Dave IHVH@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:52:41 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Nov. Koch releases. On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:44:10 -0700 tricky88@earthlink.net wrote: > > New Koch book is here! Here are the goodies we save our nickels for... > KEN BUTLER: VOICES OF ANXIOUS OBJECTS > Tzadik7402 Lunatic Fringe (DDD) ^^^^^^^^^^ Really? I thought 7402 was the catalog number of BIBLE LAUNCHER. Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:44:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Praxis On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, David Brunelle wrote: > While looking through CDNow, I noticed that Subharmonic is preparing to > issue "1984" on CD the beginning of November. Is this title being given to the original _Praxis_ EP (home of the track "1984") or is this something else/more? Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:50:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in Texas On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Mark Michael Mathis wrote: > This brings up an interesting question. Why > doesn't anybody come to Texas? When painkiller toured for "execution > ground" they played on the coasts and in like Chicago. Why? I know tons > of people here that would love to see John Zorn play. I always assumed that this was because, although Texas is pretty hip, the surrounding states really aren't. For example, when Television did their reunion tour a few years back, they ended up cancelling the Austin date because they couldn't get gigs in surrounding states. Things do seem to be improving though. When I was in Houston in August, William Parker and his wife were playing there, and evidently it was worth Frisell's while to play there as well. Chris Hamilton Texan-in-Exile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:39:12 -0700 From: john shiurba Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in Texas > This brings up an interesting question. Why > doesn't anybody come to Texas? When painkiller toured for "execution > ground" they played on the coasts and in like Chicago. Why? well, among other possible reasons, I heard they were asking for an astronomical guarantee on that tour. - -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:37:47 -0500 (CDT) From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in Texas Well, I saw Bungle in Dallas. And during the South-By-Southwest festival in Austin every spring, you can see some pretty cool bands. But, really, I live mainly vicariously, through my NY buds for concerts. On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > > On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Mark Michael Mathis wrote: > > > This brings up an interesting question. Why > > doesn't anybody come to Texas? When painkiller toured for "execution > > ground" they played on the coasts and in like Chicago. Why? I know tons > > of people here that would love to see John Zorn play. > > I always assumed that this was because, although Texas is pretty hip, the > surrounding states really aren't. For example, when Television did their > reunion tour a few years back, they ended up cancelling the Austin date > because they couldn't get gigs in surrounding states. Things do seem to > be improving though. When I was in Houston in August, William Parker and > his wife were playing there, and evidently it was worth Frisell's while > to play there as well. > > Chris Hamilton > Texan-in-Exile > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:52:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: re: painkiller re-issues On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, louie wrote: > maybe if we whine enuff they'll release all three plus "rituals" as a > box set. maybe they could call it "pill box" or "you can't find that in > stores anymore (vol.1 -4)" or "the valium years" or... If we are gonna do a group whine, I'd really prefer we go for separate reissues, so that those of us who have some of this material don't have to buy it all over again. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:06:33 -0700 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: mystery (to me) group Anthony Fabio wrote: > > has anyone heard of a band called N.A.D.? i think they are an italian > band. i keep seeing at a used CD store a CD by them in which i have > been tempted to buy several times. zeena parkins, sonny sharrock, elliot > sharp and others play on various cuts. the album is titled something like > "ghosts". > > tony > > > |=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| Here we go Steelers, here we go! > |Anthony Fabio, MPH, RD, Doctoral Student|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > | Department of Epidemiology | E-mail: EPI2110f+@pitt.edu or | > | University of Pittsburgh | AFAST1@vms.cis.pitt.edu | > ******************************************************************************* The entire name is Niu Abdomineaux Dangereux (think I got the spelling right) and it's a pretty fun album. Th guest musicians you mentioned are scattered throughout and are basically in a support role. The band does a few interesting covers: a kinda country version of 'Ghosts', Ornette's 'Broadway Blues' and a wonderful version of 'Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo' (possible spelling error once again). I once posted on rmb for further info on this band and received zero responses, so they remain otherwise mysterious to me also! Brian Olewnick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:39:13 -0400 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Re: DXT >Does anybody know what DXT has been doing in between this recordings >(quite a long time, since "rock-it" was early 80's if I remember well !) >and are there any solo-recordings by him? Don't know what DXT was doing during the 80's, but his latest project is the recent Elixir CD, "Hegalien Zone" on Laswell's ION label. DXT on drums, electronic keyboards, percussion, turntable & voice, Laswell on bass, Sassan on flutes & samples, Sluys on samples, and Umar Bin Hassan providing spoken word on one track. - -Patrick np: Praxis - "Live in Poland" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:55:24 -0500 From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: Nov. Koch releases. This may be common Knowledge, but Umezu also has an excellent Cd called "eclecticism" with Marc Ribot and others. It's on Knitting Factory works and is, um, Eclectic. ******************************************************** "What could possibly go wrong?" "Melville". ******************************************************** On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:36:17 -0700 "Patrice L. Roussel" writes: > >On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 03:00:00 -0400 Steve Smith wrote: >> >> and Takeishi (Henry Threadgill).(Speaking of the "Lunatic Fringe," I >saw >> several NEW boxes of Bible Launcher CDs today at the office of the >> company that oversees production of Tzadik releases, so I guess it's >> time to uncork THAT bottle again...) > >Hum... > >> > SHAKUSHAIN - DESERT IN HAND >> > Knitting Factory Works 215 >> >> Dr. Umezu is swell. Wasn't there a small band release by him this >month >> on KFW, featuring Ribot and Horvitz among others? > >Yep and it seems to be out: > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >092 - FIRST DESERTER: Umezu Kazutoki > > Umezu Kazutoki: soprano, saxcello, alto, baritone saxophone, >clarinet, bass > clarinet, penny whistle, kojok, kehn; Marc Ribot: guitars, alto >trumpet; > Wayne Horvitz: piano, organ, keyboards, kehn; Tom Cora: cello, kehn; >Sam > Bennett, drums, percussion, samples, loops, kehn. > > 1995 - Off Note (Japan), ON-7 (CD) > 1997 - Knitting Factory Works (USA), KFW 214 (CD) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >really looking for it! > > Patrice. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:23:44 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in Texas Mark Michael Mathis wrote: > I saw Bill Frisell (quartet) about a week ago in Austin. The show was > > absolutely amazing, in my opinion. At the beginning he said, "We've > never > been here before. So this is Texas? Sure doesn't seem like it." > Later, > after much applause and a couple encores, he said, "We should have > come > here a long time ago." Frisell is forgetting that he played solo in Austin in April 1993. A friend and I found out about that show via a little bin card stuck in his section at Tower Records (the only Tower in all of Texas). We had driven to Austin from Houston (no small hike) to see the Willem Breuker Kollekief and sadly could not make the trip again the next week to see Frisell. To the best of my knowledge that was his only previous visit. > This brings up an interesting question. Why > doesn't anybody come to Texas? When painkiller toured for "execution > ground" they played on the coasts and in like Chicago. Why? I know > tons > of people here that would love to see John Zorn play. Usually it's a matter of tour economics... there are not enough venues established in Texas and surrounding states to make it feasible for most tours to swing through the South, although that's hopefully changing with the recent upswing in grassroots level presenting agencies prevalent in the Southeast and Midwest -- the idea being that if you want something to come to you, make it happen yourself, which is what the friend I mentioned earlier is now doing in Washington, DC with great results. He gained a lot of experience bringing the likes of Tim Berne and ROVA to Rice University in the '80s. You can get a list of these presenters from Joe Germuska at the WNUR Jazzweb if you want to do a little research into the logistics of DIY concert producing, but be prepared for a LOT of work. The perception of the potential audience is pretty lackluster when it comes to the established clubs... I once attended a burning Ronald Shannon Jackson set in Austin that was attended by about 12 people. And Kenny Wheeler gave an amazing large ensemble concert at a club in Houston which drew perhaps 50 people in February of 1993. The same club sold out a long weekend of shows by Branford Marsalis, so naturally the club is going to follow the money. I did hear plenty of great music while in Houston thanks to the International Festival (World Sax Quartet, David Murray Trio with Phillip Wilson, Milton Nascimento, Thomas Mapfumo, Dennis Gonzalez with a band that featured Louis Moholo and Carlos Ward) and the Houston Jazz Festival (Charles Gayle, who emptied an audience of several hundred down to about 40 with his first piece, Billy Harper, Dennis Gonzalez again, this time with Frank Lowe, and others). But the cool people who ran those two festivals are both gone now. And for a while there was great stuff happening at the Caravan of Dreams in Ft. Worth, where I heard Ulmer once and Sun Ra twice, but that place petered out sometime after presenting a show by Cecil Taylor's great Feel Trio, which I didn't hear about until afterwards. While in school in San Antonio I also heard many good things like two amazing sets by the Art Ensemble of Chicago thanks to the Carver Center. Dallas has always been pretty lame for creative music, a surprise given the presence nearby of the powerful music school at the University of North Texas. But typically I'd hear more great stuff in a week visiting my sister in New York than I'd hear all year in Houston, and now that I'm living in NYC myself I've heard more in the last four years than I'd heard in my entire life in Texas. But I'm certainly sympathetic and felt the same way not so long ago. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #134 ******************************* To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-zorn-list": subscribe zorn-list-digest local-zorn-list@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.