From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #137 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Sender: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Tuesday, October 21 1997 Volume 02 : Number 137 In this issue: Re: Wasserman, Wallerman? RE: goin' to japan ???? AMM LPs Lois V Vierk Re: goin' to japan Re: goin' to japan Re: the grassroots Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #135 Re: Lois V Vierk Broadcast of free-improv thing Bible Launcher? Re: Bible Launcher? Bible Launcher K.Haino Re: K.Haino Tzadik Upcoming Releases (re:Tzadik releases) trade? Re: K.Haino Haino Re: K.Haino Re: K.Haino/ground zero See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:30:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: Wasserman, Wallerman? James T Graves had this to say... >I stumbled upon one of JZ's upcoming gigs at the Knitting Factory home >page a few days ago. I'm sure you're all familiar with it, Zorn will be >playing next Wednesday with John Medeski, Marc Ribot, and some guy named >Wasserman. > >So, I have three questions. First, who is this guy, is he just another >downtown drummer whose played with everyone, or should I be stumbling all >over myself to see him. Second, does anyone know what the group will be >playing? I assume they'll be playing Zorn stuff (which only narrows it >down to a few dozen genres...) Perhaps Bar Kokhaba stuff? Unfortunately I >have not gotten around to purchasing that album yet, but I know Medeski >and Ribot are on it, does Wasserman (Wallerman?) play on it too? The mystery man in question is Kenny Wollesen, a downtown drummer who has indeed played with just about everyone. They're going to be playing the music of organ great Larry Young. Should be fun. Go check it out. - -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 08:40:41 UT From: "allen huotari" Subject: RE: goin' to japan I'd highly recommend Disk Union (multiple locations) one is at 3-31-4 Shinjuku, Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo 160 another is at 2-13-1 Iidabashi Chiyoda-Ku Tokyo 102 another good shop is World Disque at 404 SY Bldg 3-15-18 Shimo-Ochiai, Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 161 there is also a small shop in Shinjuku called Like A Edison which specializes in music of the more extreme variety (unfortunately I've misplaced the address) if my memory serves, there is also another good shop called Xephyr Collectors Ltd. (also in Shinjuku) and while I 've never been to these shops, my friends/contacts in Japan have also recommended the following shops: Opus Avantra (Tokyo 104) Parallax Records (Tokyo 600) Locus Solus aka ReR Japan (Tokyo 180) (no other address info given to me...sorry...) but there are dozens of obscure little shops all within easy walking distance of each other in Shinjuku one could easily spend all day and most of an evening wandering through these and if all else fails, Virgin Records and Tower Records in Tokyo are surprisingly good - ---------- From: owner-zorn-list@xmission.com on behalf of louie Sent: Saturday, October 18, 1997 2:18 PM To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: goin' to japan a friend of mine is going to japan next week. do any of you zornothologists know a cd store where he might find painkiller or other zorn stuff? he'll be spending most of his time in tokyo i think. - -louie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:42:34 -0400 From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh) Subject: ???? I thought that Kenny Wolleson is on that gig Wed. Oct. 22?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:48:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: AMM LPs FYI- Somebody is selling some early AMM LPs on the rec.music.ambient group- at premium prices. >>Combine & Laminates Pogus Productions P201-4 Mint $25 >>The Inexhaustible Document w/booklet Matchless MR13 Mint $35 >>Generative Themes Matchless MR6 Mint $40 Reply to oldschrec@aol.com (OLDSCHREC) for info. =dgasque= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:06:09 +0900 From: katsuhiro hayasaka Subject: Lois V Vierk I found this passage in "http://www.webcom.com/jimp/vierk.html" #Spring 1998 - TZADIK to release Vierk CD # #CD with "River Beneath the River" and "Into the Brightening Air" for string quartet, "Red #Shift" for cello, electric guitar, percussion, synthesizer, "Jagged Mesa" for 2 brass choirs. #Features SIRIUS STRING QUARTET; also Ted Mook, cello; David Seidel, elec. guitar; Gary #Trosclair, trumpet; Bruce Eidem, trombone; Christopher Banks, bass trombone. and #1998 -- Book "Arcana: Musicians on Music" edited by John Zorn # #Includes Vierk's article "Studying Gagaku" about her 12-year study of Japanese Court Music, #in Los Angeles and Tokyo. To be published by Sun and Moon Press in 1998. Info via fax: #510-704-8350. Does anyone know who is she ? - ------------------------- Katsuhiro Hayasaka c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp - ------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:39:08 +0000 From: "K.O" Subject: Re: goin' to japan Try "Disk Union" at Shinjuku. Kotaro Otake Yokohama, Japan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:20:05 -0400 (EDT) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: Re: goin' to japan there's a store called "The Wave" (i think) in one of the more southerly downtowns in tokyo (there are about 7 downtowns in tokyo....). i also found disk union there...address inside many of jz's cds. On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, louie wrote: > a friend of mine is going to japan next week. do any of you > zornothologists know a cd store where he might find painkiller or other > zorn stuff? he'll be spending most of his time in tokyo i think. > -louie > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:21:06 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: the grassroots Brent Burton wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Steve Smith wrote: > > > the idea being that if you want something to come to you, make it > > happen yourself, which is what the friend I mentioned earlier is now > > > doing in Washington, DC with great results. > > if yr talking about transparent productions then i just gotta say that > > they're doing an amazing job of bringing jazz to dee cee. That's exactly who I'm talking about. That group was started by my friend from Houston and a bunch of like-minded folks he met in DC. And there appear to be groups like that popping up all over the place now. Vive la difference. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:32:32 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #135 WINRECORDS@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have info. on Ribot's new project "Los Cubanos?" Line-up? > Recording plans? Is it true they are on Atlantic? It is true they are on Atlantic. As are Moondog, Olu Dara, the Art Ensemble of Chicago and Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy. Will miracles never cease? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:16:19 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Lois V Vierk katsuhiro hayasaka wrote: > I found this passage in "http://www.webcom.com/jimp/vierk.html" > > #Spring 1998 - TZADIK to release Vierk CD > > Does anyone know who is she ? She's a quite wonderful young American composer who has written some very effective pieces for the Kronos Quartet and others. I find her to be one of the best composers to emerge from post-minimalism. There was a PBS special on New York composers that showed her working with an ensemble of Japanese traditional instrumentalists. It's great news to hear that Zorn's giving her props... I hope she meets with fabulous success. Thanks for the lead to her page. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:06:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Whitman Subject: Broadcast of free-improv thing Thursday, October 23rd, at 8:30pm, the 'Blitter vs. Gimcrak' concert will be broadcasted live over a RealAudio stream from WXJM studios in Harrisonburg, VA. Both Blitter and Gimcrak are from Alfred Bizarro to be Exactly / perfusely. You'll need the free RealPlayer (www.real.com) and a internet connection with a soundcard / speakers. The performance is a duet; elec- tronic and tric textures... Gimcrak (Chris Moutenot): guitars, effects, speakers Blitter (Brian Whitman): sampler, analog synth, function generator, bass Tune in to http://www.netspace.org/users/bwhitman/blitcrak Thanks! Any questions drop them my way. Brian Whitman bwhitman@wpi.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:20:02 PDT From: "The Penguin" Subject: Bible Launcher? I am curious about this Bible Launcher CD I have seen mentioned. What is it, and how do I get it? Thanks Much... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:42:01 +0200 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Re: Bible Launcher? > I am curious about this Bible Launcher CD I have seen mentioned. What is > it, and how do I get it? > Thanks Much... Bible Launcher is drums/guitar/bass/sax - quartet that plays noise-funk-speedmetal, (sometimes they sound a bit like the more noisy Naked-City -stuff). There are 32 songs on the CD and most of them are build around samples of television - evangelists and priests (recently I saw the record most of the samples come from, but I don't have it over here), sometimes in combination with samples of porn movies. I like the record very much (some of it reminds me of the Jezebel-Spirit track of Eno/Byrne), although I must admit it becomes a bit boring after half an hour. Now the sad part of the story : it seem's that the record was deleted after complaints of the religious son of a bitch. (well, after all they are the fifth member of the band.) Regards, yves ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:18:49 +0000 From: Scott Russell Subject: Bible Launcher - --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As we seem to be reviving the Bible Launcher thread, has anyone out there got a spare copy to trade or sell? I've never seen it at all in the UK and would really like to get a copy. Thanks in advance. Scott Russell (apologies to Yves whom I sent this to already!) - -- Without theory all we have is opinion and shopping. Chris Cutler - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:06:57 -0500 (CDT) From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU Subject: K.Haino WHo can tell me the best Keiji Haino recordings to check out? I've heard some of his stuff with a group called something like Fush...something. I've always head what a great guitarist and musician he is, but this sounded a little like a Sonic Youth jam. And I'm not looking for that stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:50:13 -0400 From: Valkwitch Subject: Re: K.Haino y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU wrote: > > WHo can tell me the best Keiji Haino recordings to check out? I've heard > some of his stuff with a group called something like Fush...something. > I've always head what a great guitarist and musician he is, but this > sounded a little like a Sonic Youth jam. And I'm not looking for that > stuff. i've heard a keiji haino/fushitishi? track and it sounded much like sonic youth guitarism. but that was only one track. i have the haino album on tzadik "no tenshi..." and it has no guitars, just interesting percussive beats, bell sounds and vocals... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:06:00 +0900 From: katsuhiro hayasaka Subject: Tzadik Upcoming Releases (re:Tzadik releases) I have Tzadik catalog. This catalog contains "Upcoming Releases". I got this 6 months ago. So, some are already released. Sorry if you already know. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Composers Series Eyvind Kang vol.2 Mamoru Fujieda vol.2 <-----Patterns of Plants Mark Dresser John Zorn Norman Yamada Mark Degliantoni Lois Vierk Anthony Coleman Bob Ostertag Fred Frith Radical Jewish Culture Gary Lucas Serge Gainsbourg:Great Jewish Music Frank London Selfhaters New Japan Series Yasunao Tone <-----Solo for Wounded CD Tenko and Otomo Tetsu Inoue Yuka Honda Toshinori Kondo Archival Series Cynical Hysterie Hour Duras Godard Aporias:Requia for Piano and Orchestra The Parachute Years(3CD) Painkiller-Guts of a Virgin Painkiller-Buried Secrets Painkiller-Execution Ground(3CD) Filmworks 1 , 7 Film Music Nana Vasconcelos Ikue Mori - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ P.S. In "Lunatic Fringe", Bible Launcher CD (TZ 7402) is deleted. - ------------------------- Katsuhiro Hayasaka c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp - ------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:07:19 -0400 (EDT) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: trade? I own copies of the Zorn/Eye CDs 'Nani Nani' and 'Zohar'. Although i'm sort of a zorn completist, i really don't listen to these discs very often. If anyone has something cool to trade me for either/both of these, do let me know. cha, jascha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese) Subject: Re: K.Haino >y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU wrote: >> >> WHo can tell me the best Keiji Haino recordings to check out? I've heard >> some of his stuff with a group called something like Fush...something. >> I've always head what a great guitarist and musician he is, but this >> sounded a little like a Sonic Youth jam. And I'm not looking for that >> stuff. > >i've heard a keiji haino/fushitishi? track and it sounded much like >sonic youth guitarism. but that was only one track. i have the haino >album on tzadik "no tenshi..." and it has no guitars, just interesting >percussive beats, bell sounds and vocals... Fushitsusha, and I don't know what albums y'all have heard but they sound very little like Sonic Youth. Sure they both turn their amps to '11' (sonic youth much less recently) and arange the detrius into musical forms, but SY use lots of Branca harmonic strum and nimble (not that nimble) rythmn, while Fushitsusha work in degraded Blue Cheer inspired sludge/drone, K. Haino working his guitar like an exploding hurdy gurdy. Anyone who works with feedback does not sound like SY. In anycase if you don't like this kinda thing (noisy guitars) you should probably avoid K. Haino. Sure their are a number of items in his catalogue, but you'll spend alot of time trying to cherry pick the non-noisy, atypical items. That said, give Fushisusha's _Allegorical Misunderstanding_(just discussed here) a shot (which actually sounds the MOST like recent SY to me), or the Tzadik album above, or the Hurdy Gurdy album on PSF, or perhaps the best choice is Ninjimu (Nijimu? sp? help me out here) _Era of Sad Wings_ on PSF which is electro-acoutic medival music, or for quieter but more 'typical' Haino, the _Ninjimu_ album under his own name on PSF (is this still in print). matt - ------ "Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it kept them apart, spatially." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:35:06 -0500 From: Craig Rath Subject: Haino >> WHo can tell me the best Keiji Haino recordings to check out? I've heard >> some of his stuff with a group called something like Fush...something. >> I've always head what a great guitarist and musician he is, but this >> sounded a little like a Sonic Youth jam. And I'm not looking for that >> stuff. If you're looking for a good mixture of his different styles, try "A Challenge to Fate". Everything from his harsh noise to his more melodic side. There are many others that I would recommend, my current favorite being "I Said, This is the Son of Nihilism" on Table of the Elements. For a very different take on his non-guitar work, try "Gerry Miles" where he teams up with Alan Licht recording with Organ, Clarinet, Vocals and Percussion, recorded in a cathedral. Very different sound. Or his various recent collaborations, including Derek Bailey, Peter Brotzmann, Barre Phillips, etc. The list goes on. For a very good, rather complete listing of his various works, check out the Unofficial Keiji Haino Homepage at http://www.cems.umn.edu/~keffer/ - probably the most complete listing of his available catalog you'll ever find, up to about 75 items at last count. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:19:10 From: Jesse Simon Subject: Re: K.Haino >WHo can tell me the best Keiji Haino recordings to check out? I've heard >some of his stuff with a group called something like Fush...something. >I've always head what a great guitarist and musician he is, but this >sounded a little like a Sonic Youth jam. And I'm not looking for that >stuff. Keiji Haino on his own can be pretty unpredictable. On the very recent "So, Black is Myself" he sings along to an electronic drone generator and plays some unspecified eastern-sounding stringed instrument. It's quite hypnotic in it's own way. But as far as straight ahead guitar (and the occasional vocal) is concerned I would recommend the two Forced Exposure releases "Execration That Accept to Acknowledge" and "Book of Eternity Set Aflame" or the Table of the Elements release "I said this is the son of nihilism". I would recommend these because not only are they excellent albums that will give you a feel for the scope of Keiji Haino's playing but they are also domestic releases and therefore don't cost $28 a pop. But they're all good in their own way, Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:48:40 -0400 (EDT) From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese) Subject: Re: K.Haino/ground zero >But as far as straight ahead guitar (and the occasional vocal) is concerned >I would recommend the two Forced Exposure releases "Execration That Accept >to Acknowledge" and "Book of Eternity Set Aflame" or the Table of the >Elements release "I said this is the son of nihilism". I can't speak for the TOTE release, but to me both Forced Exposure titles were pretty lackluster Haino releases, espessially _Book of Eternity..._ which contains a simply ENDLESS very monodynamic drone for some (if I'm remembering right) 30odd minutes. Really nothing happens (and this is comming from someone who listens to alot of drone music) until the end (which is kinda nice actually). _Execration..._ is not bad but sort of unfocused; I never play it, but that may be because many of the "riffs" sound similar to the dbllive Fushitsusha cd. I would suggest bumping up a couple bucks for the Japanese or French imports, its worth the cash. (only the recent major label stuff is $28). I forgot about the Gerry Miles cd with Alan Licht, that would be a great title to get if one wanted to avoid the guitar histronics (though not the vocal ones). onto Ground Zero. _plays standards_ is a pretty great album. Deffinately their most "fun" and less conceptual. The pattern: take an old tune (preferably nice and cheasy) with personal meaning, add another, play samples while the band goes town with that crazy punked up noise they do so well. This is really a rocking album, much nimbler than previous ones which could vear more tward the pounding and metalic. One highlight is the closer,using Roland Kirk's version of Bacharach tune which the Ground Zero plays along too. Zorn coulda used this to liven up the _Great Jewish Music_ cds cause it's just crazed. - ------ "Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it kept them apart, spatially." ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #137 ******************************* To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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