From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #138 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Sender: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Sunday, October 26 1997 Volume 02 : Number 138 In this issue: Zorn at the Knit 10/22 - new lineup Haino/Z'ev Re: the music of Larry Young Books on Downtown Jazz scene new releases Re: Z'ev Chadbourne Re: Ground Zero\Plays Standards new releases/lost email ReR records filmworks II Re: ReR records Re: filmworks II Re: filmworks II Re: filmworks II Re: Elysian Fields Re: Chadbourne Re: Chadbourne Re: Bailey at KF Sugarbullet? Fujieda, Ostertag Keiji Haino RE: Fujieda, Ostertag See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:08:07 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Zorn at the Knit 10/22 - new lineup Yes, it's still Zorn, Medeski, and Ribot. But Bobby Previte is now the drummer tomorrow night. And it's most likely not going to be an all-Larry Young program anymore, but Bobby refused to say what it would be instead. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:23:19 -0400 (EDT) From: WINRECORDS@aol.com Subject: Haino/Z'ev I understand Keiji Haino & Z'ev just did a series of duet shows together in Japan which all were recorded & possibly might see the light of day at some point! Let's hope!! A devastating duo to be sure! I've heard little about the Z'ev/Avant release mentioned here. Any comments? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:48:54 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: the music of Larry Young Does anybody out there have any of the Larry Young/Grant Green/Elvin Jones albums? (I Want To Hold Your Hand is about to be reissued) I'm sure I can provide an interesting "trade" of cassettes if anybody gets in touch ... Dr. Sean Wilkie "Music is the pleasure the mind takes from numbers when it knows not that it is counting" (approx.) - Leibniz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:31:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Mmottel@aol.com Subject: Books on Downtown Jazz scene For one of my school courses we have to analyze a 10 year period in history with a certain topic so I thought I would do the knitting factory and the downtown music scene. The problem though is I need 10 sources. Anyone know any books or articles relevant to either the knit or Zorn, frisell etc. Thanks Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:54:53 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: new releases There is a new Buckethead/Brain duo album on Avant (they call themselves "Pieces"), plus an album by the Music Revelation Ensemble called "Cross Fire" (w/Blood Ulmer, Brad Jones, Cornell Rochester, Pharoah Sanders, and John Zorn) on DIW. I don't know if these are released yet or when they will be released but I thought you might be interested. -Tom Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:54:25 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Z'ev >>>>> "WINRECORDS" == WINRECORDS writes: WINRECORDS> I've heard little about the Z'ev/Avant release WINRECORDS> mentioned here. Any comments? Please bear in mind that I haven't heard any other Z'ev release besides this one, and this description is from memory. There are alternating sections of drums/percussion and sampled voices. There are no silences between the tracks, so the whole album flows together without a break. The percussive parts are all measured in BPM, most of them fairly quick. I typically associate BPM with dance music, but I wouldn't call any of this danceable by any stretch. It is driving and fairly intense for drum music. I think I also remember that there are some subtle electronic treatments, but not enough to disguise what's going on, nor enough to move it to Muslimgauze territory (and there's much less ethnic percussion than the Muslimgauze that I've heard). The vocal parts are relatively short and provide some much needed breathing space from the drum solos. Every time I play this album it sounds incomplete, like it should be included in some greater mix. All of the individual tracks seem static, not really going anywhere. Maybe I just haven't listened closely enough. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions do not reflect on management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:27:18 -0700 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Chadbourne Last night Eugene Chadbourne said he may be bringing Leo Smith with him to his performance tonight in Ventura. Sz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:25:22 -0400 (EDT) From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese) Subject: Re: Ground Zero\Plays Standards >> onto Ground Zero. _plays standards_ is a pretty great album. Deffinately > >Where did you pick this up at? I have been trying to get one for quite a >while. You might consider posting to the zorn-list as I'm sure others >would be interested as well. I got it at the Downtown Music Gallery dmg@panix.com happy hunting. matt - ------ "Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it kept them apart, spatially." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:57:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Reif Subject: new releases/lost email =46irst the new releases: Brad Shepik and the Commuters, The Loan (SGL 1518-2) Released Oct. 1 Debut of BABKAS and Pachora co-leader (and member of Dave Douglas's Tiny Bell Trio and the Paradox Trio) features his compositions arranged for a Balkan/Turkish/Persian (and occasionally Afro/Celtic) flavored quintet. Supercharged world jazz. Shepik, guitars, electric saz, banjo, cumbus, with Peter Epstein (alto and soprano sax), Tony Scherr (electric bass), Kenny Wollesen (drums) and Seido Salifoski (dumbek). "Virtuoso rootless-cosmopolitan groovesmanship at its finest..." Richard Gehr, Village Voice =46ran=E7ois Houle and Beno=EEt Delbecq, Nancali (SGL 1519-2) Release date Nov. 1 =46rench pianist/prepared pianist Delbecq (Paintings, Kartet, The Recyclers) meets Canadian clarinettist Houle (whose septet Et Cetera was the first Songlines release back in '92). Their program of improvisations and compositions draws on contemporary classical (Ligeti, Nancarrow), jazz/improv, and non-western (Aka pygmy) traditions. Probing and highly empathetic. "First-rate performance of rigorously melodic jazz improvisation by an under-recognized clarinetist." Ben Ratliff, New York Times "One of the most fascinating pianists of the new generation." Michel Contat, T=E9l=E9rama =46or ordering informaton or a catalogue: Tony Reif, Songlines Recordings 1003 - 2323 W. 2nd Ave. Vancouver V6K 1J4, Canada (604) 737-1632 * fax 737-1678 e-mail treif@songlines.com Distributors: Allegro (US and Canada, also mail order: 1 800 288 2007), 99 Records (Germany), I.R.D. (Italy), Plainisphare (Switzerland), Challenge (Benelux), Distribution DAM (France), Anabasis (Australia) And now a request: In late September I lost all my email files back to the end of January in a computer crash. There are many people who I was in correspondence with during that time who I have no other record of and of course no email address for now. So please get in touch again if you haven't heard from me, and if possible please send me any still relevant/useful correspondence we had during that period. I'd also be really grateful, if you've kept any of my posts to the list that still seem interesting enough to bother about, if you could send them back to me as well. Many thanks. Tony Tony Reif (Songlines Recordings) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:28:25 UT From: peter_risser@cinfin.com Subject: ReR records Anyone know where I can buy ReR records on the net? Or where the Wayside catalog and Dr. Nerve's site went? I appreciate the help. Thanks, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:33:13 -0600 From: louie Subject: filmworks II i happened to catch a movie on the tube the other nite called "trespass". during one of the first scenes i thought i recognized some music. right after that i noticed the director was Walter Hill. then it hit me, "filmworks II, music for an untitled film by Walter Hill". sure enough, all the names of the tunes on the disk related to the movie exactly. but no other music from the disk was used other than that part at the beginning. (of all people to do the film's music - ry cooder). zorn did get a thank you at the absolute end of the film (i think it was the fourth or fifth from the last name). it would be interesting to know why they chose not to use zorn's music. oh well, just thought i'd pass that along. any other movies at the "local video store" anyone could recommend that has a zorn score? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:00:35 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: ReR records >>>>> "peter" == peter risser writes: peter> Anyone know where I can buy ReR records on the net? Or peter> where the Wayside catalog and Dr. Nerve's site went? I peter> appreciate the help. Wayside's still at http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions do not reflect on management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:11:00 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: filmworks II At 10:33 PM 10/23/97 -0600, louie wrote: >i happened to catch a movie on the tube the other nite called >"trespass". during one of the first scenes i thought i recognized some >music. right after that i noticed the director was Walter Hill. >then it hit me, "filmworks II, music for an untitled film by Walter >Hill". sure enough, all the names of the tunes on the disk related to >the movie exactly. but no other music from the disk was used other than >that part at the beginning. >(of all people to do the film's music - ry cooder). ... Well we had a big discussion of this last year. However...the last comment is irritating. What is the dig at Cooder supposed to mean? And it is quite expected, since Walter Hill has used Ry Cooder for scores to almost all of his movies (The Long Riders, Trespass, Johny Handsome, Blue City, Crossroads, Geronimo,...) and I thought the score to this one quite good, especially with the combination of Cooder's use of a floor slide and Jon Hassel's trippy horn. It isn't necessary to knock something in order to like something else. Buy the score (although it has been unavailable for a while) and listen to it as something independent. You might find it good enough to like. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Turner Subject: Re: filmworks II Jeff Spirer on Ry Cooder's "Trespass" score: > It isn't necessary to knock something in order to like something else. Buy > the score (although it has been unavailable for a while) and listen to it > as something independent. You might find it good enough to like. EAR/Rational Music has a copy of this CD on their sale page: http://www.xmission.com/~ear/. - -- Mark Turner mturner@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:38:23 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: filmworks II On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:33:13 -0600 louie wrote: > > i happened to catch a movie on the tube the other nite called > "trespass". during one of the first scenes i thought i recognized some > music. right after that i noticed the director was Walter Hill. Talking about Hill, and for the New Yorkers: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Millennium Film Workshop presents: HENRY HILLS in person with the New York premiere of MECHANICS OF THE BRAIN a film by Henry Hills & Sally Silvers plus HERETIC, MONEY, & LITTLE LIEUTENANT ANTHOLOGY FILM ARCHIVES East 2nd Street and 2nd Avenue Saturday, October 25, 8:00pm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:29:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Moran Subject: Re: Elysian Fields I can tell you that together, Oren and Jennifer have a band called Elysian Fields, with two or three albums out. The band includes Ben Perowsky (sp?) on drums, James Genus on bass, and Uri Caine on keyboard. - -matt On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > > On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Scott Chamberlin wrote: > > > Does amyone know about who the "Elysian > > Fields" is that the Serge Gainsbourg disc is featuring, or do you know > > anything about the individual works of Jennifer Charles? > > Charles is new to me as well, but Oren Bloedow (credited with > guitar/bass/drums) released a fine solo album of slightly twisted pop on > Knitting Factory Works about five years ago. I seem to recall that he > was briefly associated with the Lounge Lizards as well, but I'm less sure > about that. > > Chris Hamilton > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:22:14 -0300 From: "Carlos Murat" Subject: Re: Chadbourne Can anybody tell me the adress of Chadbourne´s site Thanks - ---------- > From: Schwitterz > To: zorn-list@xmission.com > Subject: Chadbourne > Date: miércoles 22 de octubre de 1997 11:27 > > Last night Eugene Chadbourne said he may be bringing Leo Smith with him to > his performance tonight in Ventura. > > Sz > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:45:48 -0700 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: Chadbourne Did you say some Eugene Chadbourne sites? http://wymple.gs.net/~aaswell/eugene.html http://www.duke.edu/~pbr/chadbourne/chadsolo1.html http://www.shmooze.net/exclaim/9612/nf/reviews/cbk/cbk01.htm http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1298229893/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album. html/ArtistID=FRN-Chadbourne*Eugene/ddcn=SD-78876+4+2 Sz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:08:02 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Bailey at KF Brian Olewnick wrote: > Does anyone have a complete list of the people to be performing with > DB > next week? I take it JZ and Mori are doing at least the first evening > and Ruins is with him on Wednesday. How about Thursday? Actually, this is how the latest ad reads: Monday: 8 pm - Bailey solo; 9 pm - Bailey with Zorn and (Mark) Kramer; 10 pm - Bailey with Zorn and Ikue Mori Tuesday: Improv Evening with John Zorn (no specific players listed) Wednseday: Ruins, Akaten, Zubizuva-X (no mention of Bailey whatsoever) Thursday: 8 pm - Bailey and Min-Xiao Fen; 9 pm - Tsuyama Atsushi solo; 10 pm - Derek and the Ruins The obvious highlights for me are the solo set, the rather unpredictable meeting with Kramer, the Improv Evening (I'd bet money that the fabulous Jim Staley will be in the house, and Shelley Hirsch wouldn't half surprise me either - but I still wish some non-Zorn circle members like Ted Reichman, Matt Moran and John Hollenback would be invited), Bailey and Min-Xiao Fen (amazing pipa player - they recorded last winter and witnesses say its just amazing), and of course Derek and the Ruins. I get the feeling my wife won't be seeing much of me next week... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:24:47 -0700 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Sugarbullet? Several years ago, JZ was hosting a broadcast on WKCR, playing his usual variety of unusual, impossible-to-find music. One cut was a very impressive piece by a, I think, British band named (again, as best as I can recall) Sugarbullet. It was a very loud and fast noisecore piece overlaid with a hardcore rap vocal line, as I remember. I've seen occasional vague references to this group here and there, but have never seen a recording or heard them since. Anyone know? Brian O. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:15:32 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Fujieda, Ostertag I got two CD's the other day. One was Mamoru Fujieda's 'Patterns of Plants' on Tzadik and the other was Bob Ostertag's 'Verbatim' on Ratascan. 'Patterns of Plants' is mostly played by an instrument called the koto which is a japanese string instrument. It's very hypnotic sort of new-agey even. I was actually dissapointed by this CD a little bit. It was a little sparse and repetitive for my tastes. It's pretty good but didn't do a whole lot for me. This is my first Fujieda disc. How does it compare to his other Tzadik disc? Bob Ostertag's 'Verbatim' is really cool. This is the third part of his 'Say No More' series. Ostertag recorded Mark Dresser, Gerry Hemmingway and Phil Minton doing solo improvisations without interaction with each other. He then using computer manipulations, etc created a collage and released it as 'Say No More'. Then he wrote out the score to this and had the four of them play it live which he recorded and released as 'Say No More In Person'. With the results of that, Ostertag went even further with his computer manipulations and made yet another collage which he released as 'Verbatim', the one I have. Really creppy vocals by Phil Minton!! Anybody have any recommendations of his. I'm looking for either a solo or duo Minton album. Right now, I think I'll get 'Dada Da', the duo with percussionist Roger Turner. -Tom Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:34:48 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Keiji Haino At the CD store I found two Haino discs. Lost Aaraaff - Lost Aaraaff Haino Keiji - Tenshi No Gijinka I'm very interested in hearing his stuff so could someone tell me a bit about each so that I can decide which to get!!! Thanks. Listening to: Esquivel!!!!! -Tom Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 97 10:24:12 UT From: "allen huotari" Subject: RE: Fujieda, Ostertag "Voice of America" (on Rec Rec), a live recording of Frith, Minton, Ostertag, is of interest on the Victo label: "Mouthful of Ecstasy" by Phil Minton Quartet (Minton-voice, John Butcher-sax, Veryan Weston-piano, and Roger Turner-drums) is a good starting point and on Rift Records is "A Doughnut In Both Hands" (solo voice) (available from Wayside on lp for a mere $7.50) although not improvised music, Minton's vocal contributions to Lindsay Cooper "Oh Moscow" (also on Victo and including Hugh Hopper and Alfred 23 Harth) are remarkable (this recording also reminds the listener that he's an accomplished trumpeter) Minton has also recorded a disc of Hendrix covers accompanied by a number of other British jazz musicians the title escapes me at the moment (I've only heard a few samples on tape) but I know at least one fellow zornlister can help out here (hey Glenn !) anyway, quite fun to hear Minton gargle, guffaw, and groan his way through "Foxy Lady" and "Purple Haze" - ---------- From: owner-zorn-list@xmission.com on behalf of Tom Pratt Sent: Saturday, October 25, 1997 11:15 PM To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Fujieda, Ostertag I got two CD's the other day. One was Mamoru Fujieda's 'Patterns of Plants' on Tzadik and the other was Bob Ostertag's 'Verbatim' on Ratascan. 'Patterns of Plants' is mostly played by an instrument called the koto which is a japanese string instrument. It's very hypnotic sort of new-agey even. I was actually dissapointed by this CD a little bit. It was a little sparse and repetitive for my tastes. It's pretty good but didn't do a whole lot for me. This is my first Fujieda disc. How does it compare to his other Tzadik disc? Bob Ostertag's 'Verbatim' is really cool. This is the third part of his 'Say No More' series. Ostertag recorded Mark Dresser, Gerry Hemmingway and Phil Minton doing solo improvisations without interaction with each other. He then using computer manipulations, etc created a collage and released it as 'Say No More'. Then he wrote out the score to this and had the four of them play it live which he recorded and released as 'Say No More In Person'. With the results of that, Ostertag went even further with his computer manipulations and made yet another collage which he released as 'Verbatim', the one I have. Really creppy vocals by Phil Minton!! Anybody have any recommendations of his. I'm looking for either a solo or duo Minton album. Right now, I think I'll get 'Dada Da', the duo with percussionist Roger Turner. -Tom Pratt ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #138 ******************************* To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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