From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #196 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, December 24 1997 Volume 02 : Number 196 In this issue: - Quoting question Re: Quoting question Re: Quoting question Just a thought . . . laswell projects Re: laswell projects Re: laswell projects Re: laswell projects Laswell soundtracks? Re: laswell projects Re: Hello(disc recommendations) Re: Hello(disc recommendations) Zorn and Judaism e# recs Re: Neubauten does Serge Kang was (Re: Hello(disc recommendations)) Re: laswell or elliott sharp recs? Re: laswell projects Re: laswell projects Ellery Eskelin Re: Quoting question Re: laswell or elliott sharp recs? Re: laswell or elliott sharp recs? Re: Ellery Eskelin Re: Ellery Eskelin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:04:51 -0800 From: Jason Edward Kocol Subject: Quoting question > "I don't like, for example, that last record we did, Iron > Bars [sic] on Virgin. I have seen this before, in many many interviews when a person is being quoted, but the meaning eldues me. What does "sic" mean? Is it a noise of disapproval? Thank you. - -Jason http://users.lanminds.com/~suburban - The s u b u r b a n Homepage http://members.tripod.com/~misterlazy - The Music of Mister Lazy - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:11:23 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: Quoting question At 2:04 PM -0800 12/20/97, Jason Edward Kocol wrote: >> "I don't like, for example, that last record we did, Iron >> Bars [sic] on Virgin. > > I have seen this before, in many many interviews when a person is >being quoted, but the meaning eldues me. What does "sic" mean? Is it a >noise of disapproval? Thank you. [sic] simply means that the previous word or phrase whas exactly how the person said or wrote it, improper spellings and all. It's usually used to show that the original speaker or writer made the spelling mistake or whatever, not the editor or interviewer. I've also seen it in the context of puns in writing or interviews. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | | | | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | UMD school of music | | | | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:06:02 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: Quoting question > I have seen this before, in many many interviews when a person is >being quoted, but the meaning eldues me. What does "sic" mean? Is it a >noise of disapproval? Thank you. > >-Jason Not at all. One puts (sic) next to a quote to indicate that it is being quoted 'as is.' For example if you are posting a quote that uses "he" as a generic pronoun for God, and you are a truly enlightened being who knows God is trans-sexual, in the quote you would put a (sic) next to the word "he." If you had asked what does "sick" mean, I would have quoted you by typing: Jason asked, "What does "sick" (sic) mean?" Thus, I would be quoting you directly while letting everyone know that I am wise and know that "sic" is really spelled "sic" not "sick." s~Z (sick) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:24:36 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Shepherd Subject: Just a thought . . . > . . . and you are a truly enlightened being who knows God > is trans-sexual . . . Is considering God as trans-sexual really a sign of true enlightenment? "It's only romantic 'cause it never works." - Harriet the Spy ********************************* Mike Shepherd rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu Middle Tennessee State University (615) 898-3652 ********************************* - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:50:40 -0700 (MST) From: david m gutierrez Subject: laswell projects Wasn't bill Laswell also involved with the PIL recording "Album" (or "Compact Disc" or "Cassette," depending on format)? I've also long wondered who played drums on this album. I've heard both Ginger Baker and Tony Williams. Any Info? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:32:46 -0800 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: laswell projects At 03:50 PM 12/20/97 -0700, david m gutierrez wrote: >Wasn't bill Laswell also involved with the PIL recording "Album" (or >"Compact Disc" or "Cassette," depending on format)? I've also long >wondered who played drums on this album. I've heard both Ginger Baker and >Tony Williams. Any Info? Both of them did play drums on it. Here is the listing from my discography: PUBLIC IMAGE, LTD. - Album 1) FFF; 2) Rise; 3) Fishing; 4) Round; 5) Bag; 6) Home; 7) Ease John Lydon: Voice; Steve Vai: Guitar; Skopelitis: Guitar; Bernie Worrell: Organ; Bill Laswell: Bass; Tony Williams: Drums; Bernard Fowler: Voice; Ryuichi Sakamoto: Fairlight CMI; L. Shankar: Violin; Malachi Favors: Acoustic Bass; Ginger Baker: Drums; Aiyb Dieng: Chatan; Jonas Hellborg: Bass; Steve Turre: Didjeridu Produced by John Lydon & Bill Laswell/Material 1986 - Nippon Columbia Japan Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:34:04 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: laswell projects Jeff Spirer wrote: > Both of them did play drums on it. Here is the listing from my discography: Does any listing, or set of reasonable guesses, exist as to who played what on which song? - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:49:43 -0800 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: laswell projects At 07:34 PM 12/20/97 -0600, Joseph Zitt wrote: >Jeff Spirer wrote: > >> Both of them did play drums on it. Here is the listing from my discography: > >Does any listing, or set of reasonable guesses, exist as to who played >what on which song? I got the credits off the Japanese CD, which I don't own but saw at the studio two or three years ago. I don't know if there is anything with listing by track, but if I spend a few minutes with the CD, I should be able to figure it out. Which I will try to do. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:14:28 PST From: "Silent Watcher" Subject: Laswell soundtracks? While floating around on the web, I found a site that said Laswell was involved in some capacity on two movie soundtracks, Colors (1988) and Clandestins (aka Stowaways - 1997). Does anyone know anything about these? It also mention two yoga tapes. Am I correct in assuming that these were probably the songs that resulted in Asana? SW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 08:07:07 -0800 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: laswell projects At 10:25 AM 12/21/97 -0500, Sean Terwilliger wrote: >Steve Turre - Didjeridoo (sic???)(What is the correct spelling for that >anyway???) I don't think there is one. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 05:31:59 PST From: "chris chris" Subject: Re: Hello(disc recommendations) Probably the best thing i found this year would be Eyvind Kang's 7 Nades on Tzadik...can anybody tell me whether anything else of his is available? This sort of stuff is difficult to find in Australia cheers, Chris >From: jdschone@sas.upenn.edu (John D Schonewolf) >Subject: Hello >To: zorn-list@xmission.com >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 23:14:53 -0500 (EST) > >Dear Listservers, >I just wanted to say hello, as I just got on this mailing list today. I >am a sophmore at the University of Pennsylvania, obviously interested in >the music of John Zorn, the downtown scene, etc. I am wondering, with the >Hanukah and Christmas seasons fast approaching, if people could send out >some recommendations for the best discs that they have bought this year. I >would love to hear some recommendations for any kind of music, such as >classical, klezmer, avant jazz, traditional jazz, whatever, as I think >that the opinions of people of this list should lead me to some great >music. Let me know if this is a stupid question, as I do not want to >upset anyone right away. Well, I look forward to many recommendations and >great discussions. > > >Go Flyers!!!! > > > >Jack Schonewolf > >- > > theartofdisaster: profoundly disturbing yet strangely wholesome...2RRR 88.5FM Mondays @10PM...an experience for your ears, body and lungs. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 13:12:28 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: Hello(disc recommendations) At 5:31 AM -0800 12/21/97, chris chris wrote: >Probably the best thing i found this year would be Eyvind Kang's 7 Nades >on Tzadik...can anybody tell me whether anything else of his is >available? This sort of stuff is difficult to find in Australia Eyvind also plays on Bill Frisell's recent "Quartet" album (inspired by Gary Larson cartoons) and collaborated with Bill and Wayne Horvitz doing music for Bill Burroughs three-CD reading of Naked Lunch. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | | | | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | UMD school of music | | | | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:09:39 +0100 From: Friedrich Feger Subject: Zorn and Judaism On a site devoted to Burt Bacharach I read (besides the expected slating review) that John Zorn only gives interviews to the Jewish press. Is that true? Fritz. (I read that at http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~mark/bacharach/bacharach_news.html ) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:56:36 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: e# recs I think the best starter for Elliott Sharp's music would be 'Interference' by Elliott Sharp/Carbon. Carbon is his rock-based project and this disc is all instrumental and features a line-up of electric harp, electric bass, sampler, drums and e# on doubleneck guitarbass, saxophones, samplers, etc. After that, I'd recommend a string quartet like 'XenocodeX' or something. This guy's awesome!!! -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 00:11:48 PST From: "John Q Citizen" Subject: Re: Neubauten does Serge > >My introduction to Serge Gainsbourg was through Mick Harvey's cover >of "Ford Mustang." After hearing on the radio I soon after bought the >"Intoxicated Man" CD and have had it in heavy rotation since. I find An addendum to the Gainsbourg thread (meant to post this a ways back, but forgot); Einsturzende Neubauten had a Gainsbourg cover - Je t'aime - on their first long-player, "Kollaps" (whenever the hell that was). A kinda brut/dub version of the original, in the vein Neubauten had mined previously but had just about abandoned at that point. Sorry if this 's already been mentioned. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 06:07:31 -0500 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Kang was (Re: Hello(disc recommendations)) >Probably the best thing i found this year would be Eyvind Kang's 7 Nades >on Tzadik...can anybody tell me whether anything else of his is >available? This sort of stuff is difficult to find in Australia Along with comp. appearances and playing on other artist's albums (Sun City Girls, We etc.) he's got two other releases under his own name: Dancing Flowers/Universal Indians 7" (Rabid God Innoculator) o/p Sweetness Of Sickness CD (Rabid God Innoculator) - -Patrick - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:44:16 -0500 (EST) From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: laswell or elliott sharp recs? On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Jeff Spirer wrote: > >lot. Laswell also produced an excellent album by Pharaoh Sanders and some > >African percussionists that shouldn't be overlooked. > > This has more than percussionists, it is a complete gnawa ensemble. the disc is under the surname of ghania, who lead the ensemble. highly recommendable as is "gnawa music of marrakesh" and "master musicians of jajouka," both produced by laswell and available on axiom. b - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:19:47 -0500 (EST) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: Re: laswell projects > >Steve Turre - Didjeridoo (sic???)(What is the correct spelling for that > >anyway???) > > I don't think there is one. that's not even the real name for the instrument, i've been told. The real name is in the aboriginal language...'didjeridu' was a nick-name for it given by english settlers. - -jascha - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 07:30:48 +1100 From: Paul Jacobson Subject: Re: laswell projects >> >Steve Turre - Didjeridoo (sic???)(What is the correct spelling for that >> >anyway???) >> >> I don't think there is one. > >that's not even the real name for the instrument, i've been told. The >real name is in the aboriginal language...'didjeridu' was a nick-name for >it given by english settlers. > >-jascha Hi A couple of things on the "real" didj. Aboriginal languages are tribal, so depending on which tribe you speak to there will be a different name for the instrument. Secondly, there was no written aboriginal language at the time European "settlement" so any written version of an aboriginal word is, at best, a very approximate transliteration. FWIW Laswell has production credits on aboriginal band Yothu Yindi's 1993 disc "Freedom". Paul - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:33:52 -0800 (PST) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Ellery Eskelin hey now, just picked up a new (?) Eskelin disc this weekend. released by HatHut with Andrea Parker (accordion, sampler) and Jim Black (perc). am listening to it for the first time, but so far, very nice. seven tracks in all, most of them eight minutes and longer. the music ranges from be-bopish to interludes of group improvisation/solo saxophone noodling and some kind of crazy mixture of Dave Douglas' "old europa" Tiny Bell Trio sound with elements of klezmer. those who have listened to the Rodd Keith disc Tzadik released might hear some moments of family resemblance with respect to the more uptempo parts, esp punctuated with the use of accordian. i admit i still haven't yet tracked down a copy of his previous disc on Songlines, so i don't know how these compare. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:31:37 GMT From: "Ockham's stubble" Subject: Re: Quoting question From: Jason Edward Kocol > "I don't like, for example, that last record we did, Iron > Bars [sic] on Virgin. I have seen this before, in many many interviews when a person is being quoted, but the meaning eldues me. What does "sic" mean? Is it a noise of disapproval? Thank you. it's lattin [sic] for 'really,' and generally used as it just was. - -b - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:23:59 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: laswell or elliott sharp recs? >>>>> "Brent" == Brent Burton writes: Brent> On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Jeff Spirer wrote: >> >lot. Laswell also produced an excellent album by Pharaoh >> Sanders and some >African percussionists that shouldn't be >> overlooked. >> >> This has more than percussionists, it is a complete gnawa >> ensemble. Brent> the disc is under the surname of ghania, who lead the Brent> ensemble. highly recommendable as is "gnawa music of Brent> marrakesh" and "master musicians of jajouka," both produced Brent> by laswell and available on axiom. Actually, the one I had in mind was the newer release, Message From Home, which has (among others) Foday Musa Suso, Hamid Drake, Aiyb Dieng, Bernie Worrell, Jeff Bova, Charnett Moffett, etc, but no gnawa musicians. I was going from memory on the percussionists, who provide an overall atmosphere rather than any specific African content. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 07:12:57 -0800 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: laswell or elliott sharp recs? At 08:23 AM 12/23/97 -0500, Caleb Deupree wrote: >Actually, the one I had in mind was the newer release, Message From >Home, which has (among others) Foday Musa Suso, Hamid Drake, Aiyb >Dieng, Bernie Worrell, Jeff Bova, Charnett Moffett, etc, but no gnawa >musicians. I was going from memory on the percussionists, who provide >an overall atmosphere rather than any specific African content. The next Pharoah Sanders CD has been completed with a similar set of musicians. It should be out late spring/early summer. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:08:14 -0600 From: "Glenn Astarita" Subject: Re: Ellery Eskelin - ---------- > From: SUGAR in their vitamins? > hey now, > > just picked up a new (?) Eskelin disc > this weekend. released by HatHut with > Andrea Parker (accordion, sampler) and > Jim Black (perc). am listening to it > for the first time, but so far, very > nice. > > Sounds like a sequel to Eskellin's "Jazz Trash" which is the same lineup... Unusual yet very captivating stuff ! glenn - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:57:41 -0500 From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Ellery Eskelin SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote: > hey now, > > just picked up a new (?) Eskelin disc > this weekend. released by HatHut with > Andrea Parker (accordion, sampler) and > Jim Black (perc). am listening to it > for the first time, but so far, very > nice. > > seven tracks in all, most of them > eight minutes and longer. the music > ranges from be-bopish to interludes of > group improvisation/solo saxophone > noodling and some kind of crazy > mixture of Dave Douglas' "old europa" > Tiny Bell Trio sound with elements > of klezmer. those who have listened > to the Rodd Keith disc Tzadik released > might hear some moments of family > resemblance with respect to the more > uptempo parts, esp punctuated with > the use of accordian. > > i admit i still haven't yet tracked > down a copy of his previous disc on > Songlines, so i don't know how these > compare. > > hasta. > > Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. > natURE. > > - The store where I work, Jazz Sound at Sound of Market here in Philadelphia, has this disk. Mail order is possible. Contact me if you are interested. Alan - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #196 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.