From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #206 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, January 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 206 In this issue: - Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #205 Ellington Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #205 Ellington Re: frisell Re: Frisell's New Album/ Jan 17th Naked City Reunion (relax, it's a joke) [was Re: Frisell's New Album/ Jan 17th] Best of the Year . . . Pillow Book Re: Loft Sessions Re: Loft Sessions Re: Re: Loft Sessions Re: Frisell's New Album Re: Jim Keltner Best of 97 Laswell Discography Re: Re: Loft Sessions Re: frisell Re: frisell Fw: frisell Re: Fw: frisell Re: frisell Re: Discs of the year ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:54:38 -0800 (PST) From: Ash Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #205 Can someone help me out with some information please? What is the name of the new Bill Frisell album and when was it released? Thanks. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:47:31 -0500 From: Alan E Kayser Subject: Ellington As Gerard mentioned, one cannot get into Duke without knowing the 30s. The place to start is the RCA 3 cd set "The Blanton-Webster Years." IMHO, the best Duke EVER is the Fargo 1940 set on VJC, which is unfortunately out of print. The RCA set is a close second. If you want to work backwards, try Such Sweet Thunder, At Newport,Great Paris Concert, And His Mother Called Him Bill, Recollections of the Big Band Era or any of the Private Collection series. All of these are later period from '56 on. Basically, it's hard to buy an Ellington that isn't great! Alan - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:47:10 -0500 From: acapps@usit.net (ashley capps) Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #205 >Can someone help me out with some information please? What is the name >of the new Bill Frisell album and when was it released? Thanks. > "Gone, Just Like a Train" January 6, 1998 Ashley - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:25:56 -0800 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Ellington David Slusser mentioned it, and I'd like to second Duke's 'New Orleans Suite' from 1970. Just an astounding record, one that, IMHO, doesn't get nearly enough mention. One of my ten favorite records ever. I'm still waiting for a contemporary large ensemble to have a go at the ideas therein. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:04:16 -0500 From: Alan E Kayser Subject: Re: frisell Glenn Astarita wrote: > ---------- > > > snip> >> > > > So, I'll leave Frisell and McLaughlin > > to other ears and follow Alan to Joe Morris who captivates me > intensely. > > But, it is off-base to think my gooseflesh barometer a measure of > the > > artist's worth, value or integrity. > > > > s~Z > > > > > > - > > Morris is worth checking out...*.Matthew Shipp and Morris create > lots of > synergy ! Speaking of dazzling guitarists i recommend James Emery's > latest > on Enja which features Gerry Hemmingway, Mike Formanek and Marty > Ehrlich..... Sorry, i don't have the title in front of me... > > glenn > Agreed, Standing on a Whale...is a great album. However, I was referring to Joe Morris as a guitarist whose style is challenging in the way Cecil Taylor challenges as a pianist. Take one part Ornette era Blood Ulmer, one part Derek Bailey, a pinch of McLaughlin and you might be close to Morris. His "Elsewhere" with Matthew Shipp is very adventurous, as is "You Be Me' with Mat Maneri. But, Emery's cd is not to be missed. I put it on my top ten for 1997. Of course the band is a bunch of ringers, so it's almost not fair. How can you go wrong with Hemingway, Ehrlich, and Formanek. Treat yourself, buy the Emery AND a Joe Morris. Oh yes, buy the Frisell, too. Alan > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:55:35 EST From: IOUaLive1 Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album/ Jan 17th In a message dated 98-01-08 21:23:20 EST, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: > I think the break is really going to be visible in New York on the 17th, > when Bill plays the Bottom Line with Krauss and Keltner while his former > fellow travellers Zorn, Horvitz, Previte and Sharp are raising a ruckus at > the Knit. I wonder what impact this booking coincidence will have on the > potential audience for each? For those who are into both sides of the > split, BTW, it'll be easy enough to catch the Quartet at the Knit and then > attend the late set by Frisell Yes, but then you would have to miss the late solo set by Frith downstairs at the Knit! But I guess I could see Frith the night before.. it's interesting that 4/5 of Naked City will be playing in NYC that night, that hasn't happened in a while. A fantasy, but a little late night reunion/jam at an after hours jazz club would be nice.. actually 5/5 of Naked City will be playing that night- I remembered that tape I have with Bobby Previte filling in for Joey!! Old Frisell fans will probably always complain about his newest releases. I can sympathise. I love Nasville and the Michael White duo disc, but have to admit, they dont resonate that certain chakra. - -Jody - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:59:00 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Naked City Reunion (relax, it's a joke) [was Re: Frisell's New Album/ Jan 17th] IOUaLive1 wrote: > it's interesting > that 4/5 of Naked City will be playing in NYC that night, that hasn't happened > in a while. A fantasy, but a little late night reunion/jam at an after hours > jazz club would be nice.. Sigh... puts me in mind of those unannounced club jams that Prince always seems to play after his big shows. Joey lives in midtown and is most likely home as well... I can see it now: "Naked City reunites at 1 A.M. in the Old Office in a command performance of 'Torture Garden' for Vaclav Havel and Madeleine Albright... Yamataka Eye's parts performed by Herb Robertson..." (He could do it, too.) "Follow your dreams, you can achieve your goals, I'm living proof. Beefcake! Beefcake!" - Eric Cartman Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:37:17 -0500 From: Cathy McBratney Subject: Best of the Year . . . 1.Skydiggers-Desmonds Hip City 2.Reuben James-So You Wanna Be A Gunfighter 3.Mel Torme-Right Now Remaster 4.Weeping Tile-Valentino 5.Galaxie 500 Box 6.Frissell-Nashville 7.Paul Weller-Heavy Soul 8.Zorn-Masada VII 9.The Jam Box 10.Miles Davis-Live Evil Remaster P.S.Anybody know any chaotic/exciting/real audio radio web sites?? skIp "It was when I found out I could make mistakes that I knew I was onto something." Ornette Coleman Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:03:52 -0800 From: Todd Bramy Subject: Pillow Book I saw mention of "The Pillow Book" soundtrack on someone's "best of" list. I've been searching for this ever since I saw the film (which I highly recommend, along with any other Peter Greenaway film). Can someone fill me in on the label? Cat #? Thanks- Todd Bramy tbramy@oz.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:52:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Loft Sessions On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Glenn Astarita wrote: > Just popped "Jazz Loft Sessions" on Douglas records in the cd player. 7 Is this the same as the old "Wildflowers" series? If so, I gotta hunt it down on CD (how many discs is it?)! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:35:46 -0600 From: "Glenn Astarita" Subject: Re: Loft Sessions - ---------- >> > > Just popped "Jazz Loft Sessions" on Douglas records in the cd player. 7 > > Is this the same as the old "Wildflowers" series? If so, I gotta hunt it > down on CD (how many discs is it?)! 1 disk ! Believe it or not i bought it via Columbia House who now carry Douglas Records ie: ASANA, Woodstock Creative Jazz Festival I&II, Praxis Live, etc..... > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:12:27 EST From: JonAbbey2 Subject: Re: Re: Loft Sessions In a message dated 1/10/98 4:04:58 PM, gastarit@comm.net wrote: <<> Is this the same as the old "Wildflowers" series? If so, I gotta hunt it > down on CD (how many discs is it?)! 1 disk ! >> Just to clarify, this is a compilation from the Wildflowers discs. The original LPs have been rereleased on three individual CDs, but I think they're pretty hard to track down. In my opinion, the music contained on these discs doesn't live up to the expectations engendered by the list of artists (Hemphill, Marion Brown, Braxton, Air, Leo Smith, etc.) but it is cool to have as a historic document of an underchronicled period in "out" jazz. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:32:50 -0500 From: chasinthetrane@juno.com (Jamie F Graves) Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album After giving Gone, Just Like a Train top priority for a few days, my opinion on it has changed a little bit. I still think the album is an attempt to make Frisell more marketable, but it really is a fantastic album. Viktor Kraus really blows me away, he has such a raw groove. In addition, a few of the songs are breathtaking. I've been listening to Verona and Girls Asks Boy (part 1) almost nonstop. However, I still don't hear anything that new on this album. I guess I expected Bill to really be stretching himself more after Quartet and Nashville, which were both such interesting explorations of his composing and playing abilities. Jamie - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:06:01 -0800 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Jim Keltner At 03:30 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >This opinion is easily demonstrated in Keltner's playing with Ry Cooder and >Jon Hassell on the soundtrack to Walter Hill's "Trespass" (though I >understand that we're not supposed to listen to that since it's not the >soundtrack by Our Patron Saint...). I wanted to add a late (been busy recently) comment on this thread. First of all, Keltner is extremely good, and I would have used _Trespass_ as an example. But the bigger point, and maybe this isn't well understood from the outside looking in, has to do with the rather insulting view of musicians who don't stay in the "avant-garde" mode all the time, which appeared somewhere earlier in this thread. Musicians may have families, they may enjoy multiple types of musics, and they may even not have the opportunity to play with people they would like to play with. Many of them just want to play as much as possible. Keltner has played some very interesting stuff, mostly with Cooder, but also with John Cale (unreleased I think) and a bunch of other people. It's worth pointing out that one of the regulars in Laswell's studio also plays with Michael Jackson and Vanessa Williams. And that J.T. Lewis, one fucking fiery drummer on Henry Threadgill's release of last year, played with Donna Summer fairly recently. (I might add that I happen to like Donna Summer's classic work with Giorgio Moroder, and also that, having met her, she is as beautiful as the covers make her look, and a very nice person too.) Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:49:26 -0300 From: "cmurat" Subject: Best of 97 Here´s my list: John Zorn: Duras-Duchamp Ivo Perelman: En Adir: Traditional Jewish Songs Tim Berne: Unwound Henry Threadgill: Where´s your cup? John Cale: Eat/Kiss- Music for the film of Andy Warhol Varios: Great Jewish Music: Burt Bacharach Luis A. Spinetta y los Socios del Desierto Wheeler/Konitz/Holland/Frisell: Angel Song Kronos Quartet: Early Music Anthony Braxton Quartet: (Santa Cruz) 1993 Jean Derome: La Bete (Beast the within) Reissues: John Zorn; Cinical Histerie Hour John Zorn: Black Box Miles Davis: Live Evil . Black Beauty - Dark Magus - Live at the Philharmonic - At Fillmore John Coltrane: The Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:51:58 PST From: "Silent Watcher" Subject: Laswell Discography For anyone interested, I finally got my Bill Laswell Discography up and running. It's far from complete, and far from pretty for that matter! Please let me know if anyone has any information on the albums that I am missing info on. Thanks. SW silent_watcher@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:10:57 -0600 From: "Glenn Astarita" Subject: Re: Re: Loft Sessions - ---------- >> In my opinion, the music contained on these discs doesn't live up to the > expectations engendered by the list of artists (Hemphill, Marion Brown, > Braxton, Air, Leo Smith, etc.) but it is cool to have as a historic document > of an underchronicled period in "out" jazz. > > Jon > > - > I don't have the original Wildflower lp's but the the stuff on this cd is excellent ! glenn - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:52:53 -0500 (EST) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: Re: frisell > > I have no criticism of what Frisell and Keltner and McLaughlin have done as > they have gone through their changes, myself. I admire all of these Agreed. Before we get too frowny-frowny on musicians who get more accesible, let's sit back and compare 'cobra' with 'masada x' and see which one we tap out foot to more... - -jascha - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:59:06 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: frisell >Agreed. Before we get too frowny-frowny on musicians who get more >accesible, let's sit back and compare 'cobra' with 'masada x' and see >which one we tap out foot to more... > >-jascha Yes. I could care less about labels like accessible or avant-garde. I love music from each of those camps. s~Z - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:53:20 -0000 From: "allen j huotari" Subject: Fw: frisell >>>Agreed. Before we get too frowny-frowny on musicians who get more >>>accesible, let's sit back and compare 'cobra' with 'masada x' and see >>>which one we tap out foot to more... >>> >>>-jascha >> >> >>Yes. I could care less about labels like accessible or avant-garde. I love >>music from each of those camps. >> >>s~Z >> >> > > on those two notes (sorry, no pun intended) I think that anyone who's "fretting" (ugh, now there's a nasty pun) that Frisell is becoming more accessible needs to listen with a different set of ears I attended the first show on this past Friday night at McCabe's Guitar Shop in Santa Monica CA with a friend whose tastes are definitely slanted heavily towards kinder, gentler music (folksy, acoustic stuff which is typical McCabe's fare and highly atypical of this list) his post gig comment was surprise as to how "out there" a lot of the music (and Frisell's playing) was personally, I thought the show a bit restrained and dare I say it, tame (but then again, my aural diet lately has consisted of large doses of Bloodcount, Gerry Hemingway, and Dave Douglas "Sanctuary") nevertheless, we both loved the show and thought it well worth braving the stormy weather and consequent traffic (I live in Orange County...sorry for the geographical tangent but I know some of you will understand) and never having seen Frisell play live (except for on the telly) that alone was enough to ensure my satisfaction btw, the only tune I recognized was "Egg Radio" (from QUARTET) so I'll assume that the bulk of the set was from the new disc (Frisell doesn't talk much so most of the tunes were unidentified) in that case GONE, LIKE A TRAIN should be heavier than NASHVILLE but way more mainstream than the recordings with Driscoll and Baron perhaps comparable to some of the music on the Michael Shrive FASCINATION cd (w/Horvitz/Frisell) ? anyway, I personally would be interested in the opinions of anyone who attends the Bottom Line show next weekend as for myself, next weekend holds the promise of the Motor Totemist Guild reformation... ajh - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:16:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Fw: frisell On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, allen j huotari wrote: > as for myself, next weekend holds the promise of the Motor Totemist Guild > reformation... Whatever happened to them? I have one record of theirs, which I got back in 1989, but have never heard of them since or run across anyone else who had. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:53:15 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: frisell On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:52:53 -0500 (EST) ia zha nah er vesen wrote: > > > > > I have no criticism of what Frisell and Keltner and McLaughlin have done as > > they have gone through their changes, myself. I admire all of these > > Agreed. Before we get too frowny-frowny on musicians who get more > accesible, let's sit back and compare 'cobra' with 'masada x' and see > which one we tap out foot to more... Time to introduce the notion of "a record we put back on the turntable", as opposed to the "record you should own at any price, but never listen to". Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:14:36 +0100 From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel) Subject: Re: Discs of the year Hi! I've been lurking for quite a while without posting, but I'd like to throw in some favorites of 1997 as well (in no particular order): Elixir: Hegalien Zone Material: Seven Souls Easy Tempo Vol. 3 David Bowie: Earthling Oscillations Remixes Bill Laswell meets Style Scott inna Dub Meltdown Two major disappointments: Herbie Hancock/Wayne Shorter: 1+1 - It's intense, beautiful, but thoroughly boring. It's missing the spark that the concert had. Julian Priester/Sam Rivers: Hints on Light and Shadow - I was expecting something along the lines of Priester's earlier albums, especially "Love, Love" (when will they reissue it?). Honestly, I don't want to hear Priester play avantgarde (there's nothing wrong about avantgarde, I love Frith, Zorn, etc., but, you know...) Any opinions? The following CDs aren't new, but I bought them in 1997 and listened to them quite a lot: Axiom Dub: Mysteries Of Creation APC Tracks Vol. 1 everything by The Golden Palominos Valis I: Destruction Of Syntax Praxis: Transmutation / Metatron Funkadelic: One Nation Under A Groove Jah Wobble: Heaven & Earth Material: Temporary Music (1979-1981) / Hallucination Engine Robert Musso: Active Resonance Divination: Ambient Dub Volume I Axiom Funk: Funkcronomicon - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #206 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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