From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #210 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, January 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 210 In this issue: - Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black European Tim Berne Fans Take Note concerts in europe Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black Zorn & d'n'b Boredoms/Eye? Re: Angelus Novus Re: Boredoms/Eye? Re: Boredoms/Eye? Re: weird little boy Avant New Releases Re: Avant New Releases Re: Zorn & d'n'b Re: Boredoms/Eye? Kato Hideki Re: Boredoms/Eye? Re: Kato Hideki Re: Boredoms/Eye? Re: Boredoms/Eye? re: concerts in europe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:07:40 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black IOUaLive1 wrote: > I caught the Zorn, Sharp, Previte, Horvitz set on Saturday [snip] All in all, it > > was worth the twelve bucks. They were recording the show, so maybe some day > everyone will get to hear it. Maybe they plan to incorporate some of the live material into the disc they're making for Depth of Field. They were in the studio a few days earlier. Someone suggested to me that the encore material sounded like stuff from Wayne's old band, the President. > Also, on a couple of his cymbal stands, he had > something..( I couldnt really see what he was doing) at the end of a couple of > songs he touched the cymbal stand with his hand, and gave off an alarm/ or > bell type of sound. That was a bicycle bell! You're younger than I thought... ;-) Steve "Grampa" Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com Nonesuch spouse and "Official" Panthalassa Flack (let's see me get away with *that* one on r.m.b.) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:13:11 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: European Tim Berne Fans Take Note Hi all - Tim Berne's bloodcount is on its way to Europe for a four week tour tomorrow, and to commemorate this blessed event, the ISP for my Screwgun site is playing dead or stupid or something. So if you need these dates e-mailed to you privately, just drop me a line. I definitely plan to have this problem, whatever it is, rectified by the March No(h)bag tour of the UK and the April Paraphrase tour of the U.S. Keep watching. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com Screwgun - http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ssmith36/mainpage.htm ... when it feels like it... - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:12:25 +0100 From: "Thomas Fischer jr." Subject: concerts in europe hi there, I was just wondering if someone can give me some information about cool concerts (zorn, frisell etc.) In europe (Germany/Suisse/Italy). are there any links in the www? Thanks. Second, how is masada8? In germany it is still pretty expensive, so I would like to know what you think of it, compared to the old ones - I do like masada7. Is masada9 also available? Comments? Thomas - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:20:01 +0100 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black > I didn't speak to him after the gig, but before it started he was waxing > enthusiastic about getting to hear Keltner live. Kenny Wollesen and Ben > Perowsky were two other Downtown drummers who came to check out Keltner. I > pointed out to Jim that instead of rack toms, all three drums aside from the > floor tom and bass drum were snare drums of various sizes. Jim mentioned > that that was something he had always considered doing but hadn't had the > guts yet. Keltner did do a nice job of using various drums as the "main" > snare throughout the night, achieveing a wide variety of effects. The only > other drummer I've actually seen doing this is Bobby Previte, who uses two > different sized snares in various ways with Latin for Travellers. He also > had a bank of drum synth pads off to his right, and his floor tom also seemed > to be triggering a synth at times. He also had such a deeply musical "feel" > to his playing. It was really impressive. Also Han Bennink is playing most of the time with 2 snare drums, and no toms (except a floortom). YVes - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:23:30 +0100 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Zorn & d'n'b For those interested in drum'n'bass: The last track on the "Adventures in Foam"-CD by Cujo (a.k.a.Amon Tobin), consists almost completely of samples from "Spillane". YVes - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:39:14 -0500 From: "Andy Marks" Subject: Boredoms/Eye? Anybody have any idea what Eye or the Boredoms are up to lately? It seems like its been a while since I've seen anything by either. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:06:26 +0100 From: Ulrich Gernert Subject: Re: Angelus Novus Tom Pratt wrote: > > I also picked up Alvin Lucier's 'Music On A Long Thin Wire' and Heiner > Goebbels's 'Black On White' which are both great as well! Adios. > > -Tom Pratt > Last night I saw the Ensemble Modern performing "Black On White" at the Hebbel Theater in Berlin and yes indeed, its great. Greetings Ulrich - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:47:47 -0500 (EST) From: Gauthier Michelle A <7mag2@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye? Andy, The last Boredoms project I have seen is Super Roots 6. Check it out-- it's really different than any other Boredoms disc. I know that Super Roots 7 is to be coming out, and I'm pretty sure that the entire Super Roots series was meant to go to 10. Another relatively new Eye project is the latest Hanatarash Cd called _5: We Are 0:00_. It's pretty cool. UFO or Die has some recent stuff out (another project), and Yoshimi P-We has also released a couple things.... M > Anybody have any idea what Eye or the Boredoms are up to > lately? It seems like its been a while since I've seen anything > by either. > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:43:38 +0100 From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye? Michelle wrote: > The last Boredoms project I have seen is Super Roots 6. Check it out-- > it's really different than any other Boredoms disc. > I know that Super Roots 7 is to be coming out, and I'm pretty sure that > the entire Super Roots series was meant to go to 10. SR6 is almost 2 years old, and SR7 was already announced in the SR6 inner sleeve. No sign of it yet, though. SR6 was by far the coolest since the original Super Roots disc. > Another relatively new Eye project is the latest Hanatarash Cd called _5: > We Are 0:00_. It's pretty cool. How does this compare to the incomparible Hanatarash 4? > UFO or Die has some recent stuff out (another project), and Yoshimi P-We > has also released a couple things.... More info wanted, please... Frankco. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:26:06 +0900 (JST) From: katsuhiro hayasaka Subject: Re: weird little boy Long time ago.... On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:52:31 +0900 "Toru Todate" wrote: > I found the information the 2 new Zorn's albums will be released in > February( in Japan). > One is called ' Weird Little Boy' from AVANT, the other is 'Masada 9' from > DIW. > > Anybody knows about 'Weird Little Boy'? > 'Weird Little Boy' is an album wihich contains Dennis Cooper's new songs. And the members are John Zorn, Mike Pattton, Chris Cochrane, William Wynant, Trey Spruance. This album will be released in February 21 (in Japan). - ----------------------- Katsuhiro Hayasaka c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp - ----------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:26:09 +0900 (JST) From: katsuhiro hayasaka Subject: Avant New Releases 'Dying Ground' (Avant-076) Eyvind Kang(vl), Hideki Kato(b), Calvin Weston(ds) '???'(sorry, I forgot the title.) (Avant-067) Joe Maneri's 60s' recordings. Both will be released in January 21(in Japan). - ----------------------- Katsuhiro Hayasaka c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp - ----------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:09:44 +0100 From: Stephane Vuilleumier Subject: Re: Avant New Releases what records with Hideki Kato (or is it Kato Hideki) would people on the list recommend? I saew him live at the last Taktlos festival with Death Ambient and he was just _awesome_ (unfortunately Plotkin was no match to Frith IMHO) I really just have 201 - DEATH AMBIENT: Kato Hideki, Ikue Mori, Fred Frith 1995 - Tzadik (USA), TZ 7207 (CD) Stephane At 00:26 21.01.98 +0900, Katsuhiro Hayasaka wrote: > >'Dying Ground' (Avant-076) >Eyvind Kang(vl), Hideki Kato(b), Calvin Weston(ds) > >'???'(sorry, I forgot the title.) (Avant-067) >Joe Maneri's 60s' recordings. > >Both will be released in January 21(in Japan). > >----------------------- >Katsuhiro Hayasaka >c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp >----------------------- > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:01:36 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Zorn & d'n'b >For those interested in drum'n'bass: >The last track on the "Adventures in Foam"-CD by Cujo (a.k.a.Amon Tobin), >consists almost completely of samples from "Spillane". > >YVes And one track, "Paris, Streatham", uses samples from Ry Cooder's "Paris, Texas" soundtrack, thus furthering the Zorn->Frisell->Keltner->Cooder connection recently discussed here. And it's a cool CD too. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:29:59 -0500 From: Matt Moffett Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye? Eye also put out an album with Ween about a year or so ago. If memory serves you could only get it off the web...I'll have to ask my friend who has it where he got it. It's been a little while since I've heard it, but it's really more of a Ween album than Eye (meaning somewhat psychedelic, traditional song structures), but still lots of fun... Matt - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:31:38 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Kato Hideki Stephane Vuilleumier wrote: > > what records with Hideki Kato (or is it Kato Hideki) would people on the > list recommend? I've really enjoyed his disc on Extreme called 'Hope And Despair' with Zeena Parkins, Dougie Bowne, Kono Masahiko, etc. (it even has Zorn playing piano on one track). It's a pretty airy and sparse disc on the whole and has a lot of hand-percussion rhythms, which adds a very tribal feel too it. It's really quite good! He has another project he calls Bass Army which has a disc on the Japanese Trigram label which I'm trying to get right now. I was told by someone that he would have a duo album out soon with Calvin Weston but I haven't seen anything yet. -Tom Pratt (I have a few discs for sale/trade by Percy Jones Ensemble, Billy Harper, Brotzmann/Laswell, Pat Metheny, Einheit/Brotzmann and George Colligan Trio. Let me know if you're interested.) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:05:02 PST From: "John Q Citizen" Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye? >> Another relatively new Eye project is the latest Hanatarash Cd called _5: >> We Are 0:00_. It's pretty cool. > >How does this compare to the incomparible Hanatarash 4? > Not so great, IMHO. The music on Hana 5 is actually pre- Boredoms and Hanatarash proper; its released as Hanatarash because thats now the name for all Eye's solo releases. Basically, 5 is one long track of analogue synth noodling; and pretty pedestrian stuff at that. Fine if you're an analog nut or Eye completist - but lacking the kind of inspired lunacy that makes something like Hanatarash 4 so great. Eye did some remixing last year; I'm too lazy to chase up the details, but he had a track on a techno compilation distributed by Japan O/S - you might find it in an old catalogue. I think he's also released some stuff as the Noise Ramones (a 12"?), and his work with Shinro Ohtake is apparently pretty great. >More info wanted, please... > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:16:14 PST From: "John Q Citizen" Subject: Re: Kato Hideki >Stephane Vuilleumier wrote: >> >> what records with Hideki Kato (or is it Kato Hideki) would people on the >> list recommend? > >I've really enjoyed his disc on Extreme called 'Hope And Despair' with >Zeena Parkins, Dougie Bowne, Kono Masahiko, etc. (it even has Zorn >playing piano on one track). It's a pretty airy and sparse disc on the >whole and has a lot of hand-percussion rhythms, which adds a very tribal >feel too it. It's really quite good! Yeah; this one is excellent. Very delicate sound, not so strident as a lot of the Japanoise stuff. > >He has another project he calls Bass Army which has a disc on the >Japanese Trigram label which I'm trying to get right now. Pretty sure this one is distributed by the Tellus cassette people in NY. Also: I wholly endorse 2 releases with Kato among a cast of stellar players: eponymous discs by Ground Zero and Peril. A couple years old now, but no less great for that. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:57:16 -0500 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye? Matt Moffett wrote: >Eye also put out an album with Ween about a year or so ago. If memory >serves you could only get it off the web...I'll have to ask my friend >who has it where he got it. It's been a little while since I've heard >it, but it's really more of a Ween album than Eye (meaning somewhat >psychedelic, traditional song structures), but still lots of fun... Yes. It's called "Z-Rock Hawaii" and it should be available from any good record stores, not just off the web. It's on the Nipp Guitar (N.G.) label out of L.A. (Nipp 12142J CD), and your description of it being more of a Ween album is pretty much on point. This album was actually just reviewed in the Nov. '97 issue of the Wire (Jim O'Rourke cover) for anyone who wants to read more. - -Patrick - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:58:51 -0500 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye? "John Q Citizen" wrote: >I think he's also released some stuff as the Noise Ramones (a 12"?) Anyone know any more about this? >and his work with Shinro Ohtake is apparently pretty great. Yes, both Puzzle Punks discs from '96 are excellent, especially "Budub" IMO. "Budub" is on Time Bomb (also as a picdisc LP) and should be available from Forced Exposure and elsewhere. Electronic bleepery, drone & other sonic weirdness, some of it reminiscent of Ohtake's early 80's 19/Juke material (4 CDs also on Time Bomb, or as a box set with an extra 3" I believe) as well as various old-school industrial noodlings. "Pipeline: 24 Smash Hits By 24 Puzzle Punk Bands" is on a label called UCA and is not as readily available. It comes with a huge 60+ page tour diary by Eye (all in Japanese) that features Shinro's excellent artwork (the sleeve for "Valis II" f.e. which features the Eye/Shinro track "Hip Hop Pooray 19-Poo-96" from "... Smash Hits ...") and photos of the pair recording in various "studios" with all their equipment and Eye's extensive toy collection, as well as pix of them in various Japanese locales, and tons of weird cutups/collages of porn, cartoons, comics, appliances, newspaper clippings etc. Other recent/semi-recent Eye outings to note (if people don't already know about them) would be: Eye/Minga - "Eye Love Minga" heartshaped picdisc LP (Japan O/S) ... already into it's second pressing. Destroy 2 (Eye/Chew) - "We Are Voice & Rhythm Only" 3" CD (Japan O/S) MC Hellshit/DJ Carhouse (Eye/Otomo) 3" CD (Blast First) and 5" CD (Japan Overseas) ... both excellent, both only 20 minutes. Boredoms/Ween - "Z-Rock Hawaii" CD (N.G.) Eye was also involved with Japanese hip-hop wierdo's Audio Sports at one point (check some of the old Japan O/S catalogs to find their discs), and I have heard (more so last year) that he occasionally DJs at clubs where he's been known to spin and mix various techno oddities. He also recently did a few techno-ish remixes (as another list member mentioned) for various artists, some of which have been released (a Flare 12" f.e.) ... Yoshimi has been involved in her OOIOO project, with a debut 12" called "00800" on Time Bomb, followed by a full-length LP, if I'm not mistaken. Strange "Neo New Wave" as Japan O/S describes them. Of course there's also the new Free Kitten LP "Sentimental Education" and We/DJ Spooky remix 12", both on Wiiija. I'm sure I've missed something, but hey ... - -Patrick - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:50:42 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: re: concerts in europe Thomas Fischer jr. wrote: > I was just wondering if someone can give me some information > about cool concerts (zorn, frisell etc.) In europe (Germany/Suisse/Italy). > are there any links in the www? Thanks. Tim Berne's bloodcount is in Dresden Wednesday night (probably tonight as you see this message), with dates in Torino, Lausanne, Genova and Mainz coming up. Check out the Screwgun site, which is working as of Tuesday afternoon and as of a minute ago: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ssmith36/livedate.htm One more great resource is the Europe Jazz Network website at http://www.ejn.it/ This is a network of promoters and presenters, and you'll find some pretty comprehensive material if you look around for a while. I'd especially recommend checking out the section dedicated to Saudades Tourneen ( http://www.ejn.it/saudades/ ), since they're the promoter that books the most tours in the category you describe -- everything from Zorn to Kronos, including Frisell, Berne and others. Right now you can check out listings for tours planned by Steve Coleman and Five Elements, Wayne Horvitz's Four Plus One Ensemble, a new Fred Frith Project with Chris Cutler and Lesli Dalaba (!), a Dave Douglas Sacntuary tour, a Zorn "modern chamber music" tour, a Mike Patton / Han Bennink tour, even a 1999 reunion tour by Bobby Previte's "Bump the Renaissance" band. Definitely a groovy resource for European lovers of modern jazz. They do more mainstream stuff, too, which Tim has told me makes them even better for booking tours for lesser known or avant garde acts - the presenter knows he can't screw around with a smaller band or he ain't gonna be offered a Diana Krall or a John Scofield...! Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com "... you can call me shill... 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