From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #211 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, January 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 211 In this issue: - panthalasssa Re: Avant New Releases A note about Zorn's New York Philharmonic premiere Re: concerts in europe Re: evan lurie Re: Boredoms/Eye? Re: panthalasssa Re: Kato Hideki some david torn live stuff Re:some david torn live stuff Peter Epstein Re: some david torn live stuff Re: Kato Hideki COLTRANE Re: COLTRANE Re: Boredoms/Eye? Re: COLTRANE quintessential Coletrane Re: COLTRANE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:23:33 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Whitman Subject: panthalasssa I am assuming Pantahalassa is the name of that Laswell does Pangea/Agartha thing. Is it out? What label if so? Brian Whitman bwhitman@wpi.edu - http://www.netspace.org/users/bwhitman MMW: http://www.netspace.org/mmw JMP: http://www.netspace.org/jmp "Slothrop (peering): You, Never? (A pause.) Did the Kenosha Kid?" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:46:29 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Avant New Releases katsuhiro hayasaka wrote: > 'Dying Ground' (Avant-076) > Eyvind Kang(vl), Hideki Kato(b), Calvin Weston(ds) Pretty fascinating, as I sit here listening to it (and I'm only up to the fourth track). First impression was Pain Killer with a power tool replacing Zorn. But it ain't that dubby, just that colossal at first. But track four is something different... real explicitly in the mode of Miles Davis circa '73, including organ and tabla. Eyvind's phrasing early on is very much in a Miles bag, just little stabs and squiggles, really, and Kato plows a pretty hypnotic Henderson-style bass groove. But later Weston starts sounding a lot like Cobham wailing across the toms, Kato starts to go out with the bass and Kang does some more fluid playing... obviously a lot to hear here, so for right now I'll recommend it to the already converted and reserve broader judgement for later. > '???'(sorry, I forgot the title.) (Avant-067) > Joe Maneri's 60s' recordings. Title is "Paniots 9" and it's archival material, mostly Maneri's rejected 1963 demo for Atlantic, made when Gunther Schuller was pushing the label to record Maneri. The last track is a longer duet from the '80s with clarinet and piano. I haven't heard it yet, but this release was curated by Harvey Pekar, Zorn fan, Jazziz record reviewer and creator/writer of the incredible comic "American Splendor." Harvey knows more about jazz than I ever will. (Those who are interested can find a comic book collecting many of his jazz-related strips, including one on Maneri, in comic shops right now.) These are three other recent and upcoming Avants I received last week and today: 054 Pieces (Buckethead and Brain) - "I Need 5 Minutes Alone" 062 Drums of Death (Ashanti and Ewe Funeral Music of Ghana) 073 EasSide Percussion (Michael Evans, Christine Bard & Jim Pugliese) - - "ESP" Some of these may have been released yesterday. The others are going to be released in February. That's when Masada 9 is due. I'll try to find out what's what among the others. Track seven, and I still like the Dying Ground disc. Noise is good. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:04:32 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: A note about Zorn's New York Philharmonic premiere This is for anyone who's considering shelling out the big bucks for New York Philharmonic tickets later this week to hear the premiere of Zorn's piece "Orchestra Variations" -- 1. If, when you order tickets you mention the word "Zorn" as your ordering code, you can get orchestra level seats for $25 each instead of the usual price which is a whole lot higher. They won't ask -- you have to mention it. And in my opinion this is a real deal for this program - Slatkin conducting Copland is always a treat, and I've heard only good things about Joseph Schwantner's Percussion Concerto - Schwantner specializes in very colorful and dynamic orchestral writing, even if it's still pretty conservative by modern standards. 2. The piece is six minutes long, if that influences your financial thinking. I ran into Zorn earlier this evening at the Knit - he indicated that he's extremely pleased with the way the orchestra is playing his piece judging from that morning's rehearsal, but also indicated its length - "It's only six minutes... it's a quickie, don't go expecting too much." I nevertheless expect that he's packed that six minutes with worthwhile noise. Let you know Thursday night. 3. And if we're really lucky, Slatkin will call the composer of the premiere to the stage and we'll get to gauge the reaction of the typical NYPO subscriber to the longhaired weirdo in the leather jacket and camouflage pants (he'll definitely be at the opening night performance and this IS standard practice at a premiere...). ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:45:29 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: concerts in europe Steve Smith wrote: > [Saudades does] more mainstream stuff, too, which Tim has told me makes > them > even better for booking tours for lesser known or avant garde acts - the > presenter knows he can't screw around with a smaller band or he ain't > gonna be offered a Diana Krall or a John Scofield...! I just read my own post and found it unclear, so to rephrase/reiterate: Tim thinks it's a good thing that Saudades also handles big mainstream bookings because it makes the venues Saudades works with less likely to go back on the deals they make with little known or avant garde artists if they know that by doing so they are jeopardizing their chances to be offered a more mainstream booking that might be a real cash cow. Over'n'out, I'm toast, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 8:56:56 EST From: M.Ho Subject: Re: evan lurie I obtained Happy? Here? Now? and Pieces for Bandoneon over the internet through CDNow.com There are arrangements of Lounge Lizards tunes he wrote for on Happy?...Same lineup as Selling Water. Pieces for Bandoneon are duets between him and the bandoneon player from the other albums. _Mary > > ..from Mark Corroto, Mary, & Patrice comes word that Even Lurie > contributed scores or songs to at least the below three films.... > > Johnny Stecchino (Italian ...) > Office Killer (new... Cindy Sherman) > Trees Lounge (Steve Buschemi) > -------------------- > Happy? Here Now? (Crepuscule Records) > Il Mostro (?) > Pieces For Bandoneon (Les Disques ...) > Selling Water by the Shore (Antilles) > > I can recommend the Trees Lounge soundtrack (the films a renter...) and > "Selling Water by the Shore" which is excellent. I am, along with others, > on the hunt for the other titles - there is enough here for a Tzadik archival > compilation I would think... > > -=Bob=- > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:44:26 -0500 (EST) From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese) Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye? >Yoshimi has been involved in her OOIOO project, with a debut 12" >called "00800" on Time Bomb, followed by a full-length LP, if I'm >not mistaken. Strange "Neo New Wave" as Japan O/S describes them. I have a cd of _00800_, at least I think it's that, the title looks more like two horizontal infinity signs (the "00"'s with a vertical one in the middle (the "8"), but it's on Polystar Japan. I don't see a TimeBomb label. Do I have the full length (it's around 30minutes long) or the 12"? Hum? Anyway, it was fabulously expensive ($28) and I only bought it cause it looked like a double cd (it's in a clear case and the circular cardboard backing looks like another cd). It's pretty good though. Confirmed Boredoms fans will like it; others should well be put off by the expense. Style wise I'd say it triangulates the difference between Free Kitten, Boredoms proper and _super roots 6_ Bore. Off-hand in a Free Kitten way, but not as archly "hip"; rocking and full in a Boredoms way, but not at loud and crashing; "techno aware" like _super roots 6_, but not as skeletal. >Of course there's also the new Free Kitten LP "Sentimental Education" >and We/DJ Spooky remix 12", both on Wiiija. > The 12" is repeated on the album, on Kill Rock Stars in the USA. I think its a much better album than the last cause Kim and Julie keep the "we're realy hip and cool and sarcastic" stuff to a minimum and just play. Yoshimi seems pretty absent here though. All of which brings up the question, will we ever see a Boredoms proper album again? _Super Roots 6_ was ok, but too skeletal and sketchy to really excite me. Are they done with straight rocking? matt - ------ "Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it kept them apart, spatially." - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:08:11 -0800 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: panthalasssa At 01:23 AM 1/21/98 -0500, Brian Whitman wrote: > >I am assuming Pantahalassa is the name of that Laswell does Pangea/Agartha >thing. Is it out? What label if so? Sony, March 10. Not Pangea/Agartha, mostly centered around On the COrner. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:05:27 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Kato Hideki On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:31:38 -0500 Tom Pratt wrote: > > Stephane Vuilleumier wrote: > > > > what records with Hideki Kato (or is it Kato Hideki) would people on the > > list recommend? > > I've really enjoyed his disc on Extreme called 'Hope And Despair' with > Zeena Parkins, Dougie Bowne, Kono Masahiko, etc. (it even has Zorn > playing piano on one track). It's a pretty airy and sparse disc on the > whole and has a lot of hand-percussion rhythms, which adds a very tribal > feel too it. It's really quite good! > > He has another project he calls Bass Army which has a disc on the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A Bass Army record has been reissued on Tellus. But I just learnt that Tellus (and ?What Next?) does not exist anymore. Anyway, OO Disc is supposed to take care of distributing the defunct labels. There is also this one: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 036 - KARADA WA OTO O DASU MONO: Bass Army 1994 (?) - Trigram (Japan), TR-P 907 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Not sure if it is the same reissued on Tellus. > Japanese Trigram label which I'm trying to get right now. I was told by > someone that he would have a duo album out soon with Calvin Weston but I > haven't seen anything yet. > > -Tom Pratt > > (I have a few discs for sale/trade by Percy Jones Ensemble, Billy > Harper, Brotzmann/Laswell, Pat Metheny, Einheit/Brotzmann and George > Colligan Trio. Let me know if you're interested.) > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:10:55 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: some david torn live stuff This was posted on the loopers delight mailing list. - ------- Start of forwarded message ------- hey, y'all. since i don't play 'live' too often, methought to letcha know of some upcoming appearances--- (looping being moot, here, in my ittybitty world): 2/11, nyc: w/ryuichi sakamoto, dj spooky et orchestre chambre @ the world financial center (marking the release of rs' cd, "discord", on sony classics). (pretty much ambient-style "looping only", hardly any guitar stuff involved). 2/27, l.a.: i'm giving a 'master' (!hah!) class @ california institute of the arts. 3/1, l.a.: solo concert @ mccabes, in santa monica. 3/10, nyc: trio performance w/elliott sharp & vernon reid @ the knitting factory. 4/6-20, japan/usa: w/tony levin, bill bruford & chris botti @ various joints (letcha know when we do: yeah), playing the stuff from tony's upcoming CD. maybe seeya & all best, dontcha know: david torn - ------- End of forwarded message ------- - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:48:22 UT From: peter_risser@cinfin.com Subject: Re:some david torn live stuff > This was posted on the loopers delight mailing list. What is the loopers delight mailing list, and what is the email address? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:06:13 -0600 (CST) From: Tom Benton Subject: Peter Epstein So I've noticed Peter Epstein name pop up on this list more than a couple of times lately, for the most part in reference to his work wih Brad Shepik's group The Commuters and the excellent accompanying album, 'The Loan'. My question is this: Has anyone heard anything of a recently released album by the Peter Epstein Quartet called 'Staring at the Sun'? I'm under the impression that the lineup is Epstein on various saxophones, Jamie Saft on accordion and organ, Chris Dahlgren on bass, and Jim Black on drums. I'm quite a fan of all of these guys individually (Saft plays with Bobby Previte pretty much nonstop and has released a lovely record on Avant with trumpet guy Cuong Vu, Dahlgren I haven't heard except his very nice Enja record 'Slow Commotion', and Jim "Mr. Ubiquitous" Black obviously needs no introduction to this list). My interest in these players (as well as my newfound accordion fascination) has gotten me pretty curious about this record, if anyone has any impressions of it or so on, I would be delighted to hear them. We now return you to your regularly scheduled Zorn-speak... - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:10:40 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: some david torn live stuff >>>>> "peter" == peter risser writes: peter> What is the loopers delight mailing list, and what is the peter> email address? A mailing list devoted to making music via loops. Mostly gearheads and technical discussions, very occasional discussion of available recordings by loopers. Interested parties should check out http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html for more info. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:24:19 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Kato Hideki Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > ...There is also this one: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 036 - KARADA WA OTO O DASU MONO: Bass Army > > 1994 (?) - Trigram (Japan), TR-P 907 (CD) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Not sure if it is the same reissued on Tellus. Probably not because 'Karada Wa Oto O Dasu Mono' is listed in the January '98 Forced Exposure Catalog (indicating Trigram as the label). -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:08:41 +0100 (MEZ) From: BJOERN Subject: COLTRANE please people do not kill me for this question...those who answer please contact me privatly.. well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please name the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records???? thanx BJOERN - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:20:53 -0700 (MST) From: Corey Marc Fogel Subject: Re: COLTRANE On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, BJOERN wrote: > well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i > never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please name > the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records???? like....all of them? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:29:44 -0500 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye? matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese) wrote: >I have a cd of _00800_, at least I think it's that, the title looks more >like two horizontal infinity signs (the "00"'s with a vertical one in the >middle (the "8"), but it's on Polystar Japan. I don't see a TimeBomb >label. "00800 (eight)" was a 12" on Time Bomb. Maybe Polystar (same label that put out the recent Hanatarash 5 CD) put it on disc ... not sure. >Do I have the full length (it's around 30minutes long) or the 12"? I'm thinking you've got the 12", but I'm not positive. I'm also not positive that there even was a full-length. Maybe you've got the 12" plus extra stuff on a very short "album"? >Anyway, it was fabulously expensive ($28) Yup. That's about what Hana 5 goes for stateside. - -Patrick - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:06:09 -0500 From: Alan E Kayser Subject: Re: COLTRANE BJOERN wrote: > please people do not kill me for this question...those who answer > please > contact me privatly.. > well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i > never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please > name > the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records???? > > thanx > > BJOERN > I think the new Coltrane Village Vanguard 4CD set jumped right to the top of the list. Alan - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:23:07 -0700 From: Jason Tors Subject: quintessential Coletrane IT is difficult to depart from ones own experience. My first 'trane album was Giant Steps. I feel like it was a good jumping off point for me, it being one of my first jazz records. Actually my first ever jazz record was Monk and Coletrane live at the .... (can't remember.) This is another one of the greats as well. Heck, just go out and buy as much Trane as possible. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:37:14 -0500 From: acapps@usit.net (ashley capps) Subject: Re: COLTRANE >BJOERN wrote: > >> please people do not kill me for this question...those who answer >> please >> contact me privatly.. >> well in my 23 years that i live on this "planet full of music" now i >> never got the chance to buy a Coltrane record...could anyone please >> name >> the ESSENTIAL Coltrane records???? >> >> thanx >> >> BJOERN >> > >I think the new Coltrane Village Vanguard 4CD set jumped right to the >top of the list. > >Alan In some ways, I would completely agree with this recommendation. Great stuff, with Eric Dolphy on board as additional catalyst and foil, and you can hear Trane really reaching, hard, and stretching the boundaries of his music. Strong, compelling, exciting music. And "John Coltrane at the Village Vanguard" was my first experience with Coltrane's music that really stuck for me. Of course, you've got all that and much more in this set. On the other hand, if you enjoy jazz, you might want to start a bit earlier: Coltrane's work with Miles Davis on "Milestones" and, of course, "Kind of Blue," is not only essential listening IMO, but also provides a good foundation for grasping the musical ideas that are starting to explode in the Vanguard sessions. Under Coltrane's leadership, "Soultrane" and "Blue Train" are important early classics and great music. Among the pre-Vanguard Atlantic recordings, "John Coltrane Plays the Blues" is not to be missed, though "Giant Steps" is officially regarded as the classic. The others are great too, however. Among the Impulse releases, post-Vanguard, two personal faves are "Coltrane" (with the blue cover) and "Crescent." As for the more far out stuff towards the end, "Interstellar Space" is especially strong. Ashley - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #211 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.