From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #219 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Sunday, February 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 219 In this issue: - Re: John Fahey Re: The Sound Of Summer Running Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra Mystic Fugu Orchestra Angelus Novus Trying to "turn on" others to Zorn Re: Angelus Novus Filmworks 8 Any Aussie Zorn Fans Out There? [none] VICTO 98 Arto Lindsay, Robert Quine, Ikue Mori interviews Follow up to Jill Kroesen Osaka Bondage [film] Re: John Fahey Re: Filmworks 8 baxter/kagel/sato/fahey dragon blue Re: John Fahey carny derek bailey new releases TV Shit Re: Osaka Bondage [film] Re: Osaka Bondage [film] Re: John Fahey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:06:00 -0500 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: John Fahey > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:48:20 -0800 > From: Greg Mills > > What is Fahey's other stuff like? The liner notes include a letter that > Fahey wrote to, I'm guessing, a music critic complaining that people brand > him as "new age", when in fact he hangs out with punks and insists on being > called "alternative". All lameness aside, what is he going on about? Did he > do George Winston - type stuff at one point? > He's pretty dismissive about his earlier work nowadays, seeing himself as 'alternative' or 'punk.' I wouldn't call his earlier stuff new age- it's got more thought and body to it though I'd still say it's really nice and relaxing to hear. If you want a good sample of this, I recommend RETURN OF THE REPRESSED, a two-CD set on Rhino. Funny that you mention George Winston as they happen to be pals- Fahey admits that George's stuff is pretty wishy-washy but still insists that the guy's got a wild and mischievous streak to him that doesn't come out in his recordings and concerts. Jason - -- Perfect Sound Forever Warped perspectives on all types of music perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:34:35 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: The Sound Of Summer Running Doug, On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:54:50 PST "coleman francis" wrote: > > Sorry if this has been posted already (I'm 4 digests behind right now), > but i just saw that there will be a Marc Johnson album released in > Feburary called The Sound Of Summer Running. It features Bill Frisell, > Pat Metheny, and Joey Baron. Sounds like a good time to me. :) Do you know on what label? Thanks for mentioning it! Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:45:08 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:00:18 -0700 thrax@uia.net wrote: > > I just bought the Mystic Fugu Orchestra disc, what in the fuck is that > shit. Im really kind of pissed, from what I heard it sounds like the > recorded an old scratchy LP, you can barely make out anything besided > the record noise. I can understand the experimental noise stuff of > something like Elegy but what was on this disc is not comprehendible in "experimental noise stuff of something like Elegy"? Are we really buying the same records? > any context. Any one else experience this? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:27:37 -0500 (EST) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra i think this CD is trying to comment on the fate of the traditional music which inspired it, which was once a living tradition, and is now relegated to a bunch of scratchy old 78s on library shelves....etc.... i don't listen to it much, though...i don't think it's a very sincere attempt at music making. It's still just another zorn/eye joke, to me, cloaked though it may be in an aura of meaningful social commentary. Yawn. - -jascha > I just bought the Mystic Fugu Orchestra disc, what in the fuck is that > shit. Im really kind of pissed, from what I heard it sounds like the > recorded an old scratchy LP, you can barely make out anything besided > the record noise. I can understand the experimental noise stuff of > something like Elegy but what was on this disc is not comprehendible in > any context. Any one else experience this? > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:02:07 -0500 From: ROLAND JOST Subject: Mystic Fugu Orchestra i think the cd is quite interesting. try listening to it casually. don't concentrate on it and suddenly it'll open up. i found that this way of listening to john zorn's cd's/lp's takes you deeper into his music. don't= expect anything from john zorn and you'll be rewarded with lots of interesting music and stuff. cheers roland - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:32:50 From: Jesse Simon Subject: Angelus Novus So I bought Angelus Novus yesterday... I'm just listening to it, and so far it's pretty good. In fact the first composition "For Your Eyes Only" is one of the most kinetic pieces I've heard from Mr. Zorn in quite a while. It's got some pretty funny musical paraphrases, some good twelve tone stuff and on the whole is a satisfying, coherent piece. Right now I'm listening to Carny for solo piano. It's excellent. It's kind of reminiscnent of early twentieth century piano works, especially those by Schoenberg, Poulenc and Messiaen ... yet there are also some brief interjections of jazzier themes. If Angelus Novus is any indication, I'd say it's going to be a good year for Zorn related music. Jesse - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:46:40 From: "Doug McKay" Subject: Trying to "turn on" others to Zorn I look at people and wonder: would this person like Zorn? I don't have many of Zorn's CDs so I think of NAKED CITY as a test case. I told a guy (in his early 20's) at work about Zorn, saying how he's a sax player in New York; that he's been influenced by Ornette Coleman and Anthony Braxton, but also punk; that he has quick changes in the music and uses a variety of musical styles; that he's versatile and uses the "post-modern" approach of quotation within his work. I said if you like "stomp on your face, kick your head" music you might like it. His eyes get wide, his mouth opens in a smile: YEAH. So I bring him NAKED CITY and he takes it home for the night. He got through "about the first four songs and checked a couple others." Too much quick changing, too wild, too much "angst" - this last point being said thrice, clearly being something he felt encapsulated his complaint. I bet he didn't even get to the Bond theme. Good thing I didn't give him Pain Killer. Doug McKay In Minnesota If anyone knows of a possible Zorn event in the Twin Cities let me know. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:56:24 -0600 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: Angelus Novus >So I bought Angelus Novus yesterday... So did I, a few days ago... I put it on and listened for a while and the best way I can describe "For Your Eyes Only" is Naked City for classical. It seems to be interrupting itself repeatedly, just like the Naked City stuff. My roomate turned me on to "New York Flat Top Box" a few weeks ago, that's a tune I relly enjoy. It fucks with itself but remains coherent. This is not to say I don't like it though... Sometimes I wish it had a longer attention span. I know Zorn can do it too, take Bar Kohkba for example, these are full pieces. The solo piano piece is similar but it's on solo piano. I realized that I missed the second piece entirely as I was in conversation. The only part I remember is the part where a person is half playing, half grunting through his flute... I give it an "interesting" and another listen definitely. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:16:44 -0500 From: "Andy Marks" Subject: Filmworks 8 Anybody know what the projected US release date for Filmworks 8 is? Also, is it just me or do other people have problems accessing the news sections at www.tzadik.com? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:33:28 PST From: "The Platypus" Subject: Any Aussie Zorn Fans Out There? Just wondering whether there were any JOHN ZORN or NAKED CITY fans out there living in Australia? Let me know privately if possible but in the meantime check this out!: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/8730 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 1998 20:35:49 GMT From: Matthias_Hoffmann@Intelnet.bln.de (Matthias Hoffmann) Subject: [none] Hallo, I am a novice of the 'Zorn List' and I want to introduce myself with a rather profane question: what equipment (horn+mouthpiece) does John use? Thanks a lot Matthias - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:32:59 -0500 From: James Hale Subject: VICTO 98 Would someone be kind enough to post the lineup for this year's Victoriaville Festival again? Thanks. James Hale - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:35:36 -0500 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Arto Lindsay, Robert Quine, Ikue Mori interviews Greetings, For the new year (which isn't so new anymore), we have these new articles at the latest edition of Perfect Sound Forever ARTO LINDSAY INTERVIEW Shronk meets samba in a fixture of downtown music ROBERT QUINE INTERVIEW 'Side man' extraordinary IKUE MORI INTERVIEW Funky drummer machine virtuoso A special thanks goes out to the people here on the Zorn list who wrote in about Quine- thanks to you, we were able to talk him into doing an interview. As always, we're looking for material for future issues of Perfect Sound, so let us know if you have any brainstorms or contributions to share with the online world. See you in cyberspace, Jason Perfect Sound Forever Warped perspectives on all types of music perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:50:50 PST From: "Silent Watcher" Subject: Follow up to Jill Kroesen Thought I'd follow up on my post for info on Jill Kroesen's "Stop Vicious Cycles". I found that, even after 16 years, it's still available on vinyl from Lovely Music at : http://www.lovely.com Just in case anyone was interested. It's far from a great album IMHO, but worth the buy, if only just to hear Bill Laswell wailing away on sax during the 9+ minute "Fay Shism Blues". A somewhat funny coincidence to me getting the album this week, as the first song is about the leading politicians in America needing an insatiable sex-drive! SW Want List and Laswell Discography at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:29:49 From: "Doug McKay" Subject: Osaka Bondage [film] Osaka Bondage - A film by Henry Hills with music by Naked City. Has anyone seen it? Is it a story, a porn film, a documentary, or what? Doug McKay In Minnesota Picked up SPY vs Spy and Black Box today. Great stuff! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 03:04:48 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: John Fahey Perfect Sound Forever wrote: > Funny that you mention George Winston as they happen to be pals- Fahey admits that > George's stuff is pretty wishy-washy but still insists that the guy's got a wild > and mischievous streak to him that doesn't come out in his recordings and > concerts. I saw George Winston play live once as an obligation of the job I held at the time. It's probably the only concert at which I've actually fallen asleep. I do remember at one point a bat flew into the theatre and was far more interesting to track than anything happening onstage. Yet for his encore Barefoot George had the stagehands haul the San Antonio Symphony's celeste onstage for him, and he played only Jelly Roll Morton and Fats Waller tunes. Would that *that* had been the concert instead... this was as impish as anything I've ever known George Winston to do (aside from getting his own label, Magenta, during the Windham Hill years and then using it to issue a Professor Longhair LP and two volumes of Anthony Braxton playing standards). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 03:13:46 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Filmworks 8 Andy Marks wrote: > Anybody know what the projected US > release date for Filmworks 8 is? Tuesday, February 17. Other Zorn-related content to be issued that day: Masada 9 (*fantastic* as usual) on DIW, EaSide Percussion (Pugliese, Bard and Evans - haven't listened to it yet) and Pieces (Buckethead and Brain - I was unimpressed but others will be) on Avant, and Milford Graves solo "Grand Unification" on Tzadik. > Also, is it just me or do other people have > problems accessing the news sections at > www.tzadik.com? I haven't had this problem. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 05:10:23 -0500 (EST) From: David Newgarden Subject: baxter/kagel/sato/fahey John Q Citizen wrote: >>Unnh; dunno if anyone really cares about this stuff - sorry if I've >>wasted your time. the Les Baxter/Sun Ra connection is very interesting... >>Mauricio Kagel - Exotica (Deutsche Grammophon) >>Anyone know anything about this title? Patrice?? (Steve Smith probably already answered this (I get the Zorn-digest), but I'm sure he'd be appalled by my description so.....) Released on Koch a few years ago (during the Steve Smith era) -- dozens of instruments from Indonesia, Africa, India, Asia, etc. and even some samples of 'authentic' music played by The Ensemble Modern, but sounding more like The Sun City Girls than any other E.M. I've heard... the singing is wild... >>Masaru Sato - The Film Music Of Masaru Sato, Vol. 11 (Soundtrack >>Listeners Communication) Major league Japanese film composer from the 50s to 90s (?), as prolific as Rota, Morricone etc., his work ranges from Kurosawa (several of Kurowsawa's late 50s films including Hidden Fortress) to Godzilla flicks to The Silk Road. There are at least 20 volumes in this series which spells his name 'Satoh' (liner notes in Japanese only). I picked up Vol.2 on Ikue's recommendation. >>someone else said something or other about John Fahey collage pieces and >>new age music "Requia" (Vanguard, 1967) is way out. It's on CD and there was also a new age lp reissue (on Terra Records with a VERY new age cover) that's frequently in the used new age bins (generally very cheap, 'cause those newagers have no use for vinyl.... Um...Die yuppie scum..... dn - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 05:25:41 -0500 (EST) From: David Newgarden Subject: dragon blue Tom Pratt writ: >>Has anybody heard or heard anything about this new Avant disc? >>DRAGON BLUE - Hades Park (AVAN-075) Tenko's band with Otomo Yoshihide, Kato Hideki, Imahori Tsuneo, Sotoyama Akira. Her previous album "Dragon Blue" (Sound Factory) had same line-up except for Yoshida drumming instead of Sotoyama, playing live versions of all of Tenko's 'hits' (from Mizutama Shobodan/Polka Dot Fire Brigade to Death Praxis). - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 07:15:31 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: John Fahey >I saw George Winston play live once as an obligation of the job I held at the time. >It's probably the only concert at which I've actually fallen asleep. > >Steve Smith Similar thing happened to me, only I couldn't sleep, and there was no bat, so I walked out. s~Z - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:51:27 +0900 (JST) From: katsuhiro hayasaka Subject: carny I bought "Angelus Novus" a few days ago. And I listened it 2 or 3 times. I think it's great. John Zorn is a truly contemporary composer. "Carny" is my favorite piece. Stephen Drury is great, virtuosic ! It seems to me that it is a solo piano version of Naked City's "speedfreaks" or "Automata of Al-jazari" in "First Recordings 1973". Highly Intensional, but at the same time beautiful piece, I think. By the way I looked the liner notes, and I found carny is composed in '89. Then I looked the liner notes of "Book of heads". I found carny is compoed in '92. ??? Which is true ? - ----------------------- Katsuhiro Hayasaka c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp - ----------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:51:29 +0900 (JST) From: katsuhiro hayasaka Subject: derek bailey new releases Duo with Min Xiao Fen (pipa). Avant/Tzadik: spring 1998? Possible issue of old trio with Milford Graves and Min Tanaka: Tzadik? 1998? I found these in Derek Bailey's web site. http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mbailey.html Does anyone know about these ? - ----------------------- Katsuhiro Hayasaka c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp - ----------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:09:46 +0100 From: "Felix" Subject: TV Shit As anyone out there ever heard the album TV Shit with Yamantaka Eye and Sonic Youth? If so, how's it like? BTW, I'm new to the list and I worship John Zorn's music (but then again, don't we all?) Felix, who is realising that most of the good musical artists come from New York. jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:56:39 +0100 From: "Felix" Subject: Re: Osaka Bondage [film] >Osaka Bondage - A film by Henry Hills with music by Naked City. > >Has anyone seen it? Is it a story, a porn film, a documentary, or what? Well, there is a song called Osaka Bondage. I must be on Black Box, in the Torture Garden stuff. I have my Torture Garden included in a Nked City CD called Grand Guignol which also has a 20 minute music called Grand Guignol and some stuff originally composed by some classical composers like Debussy. As wether it's a film, I don't know, but the song starts with what seems to be a film (gunshot, pain moaning, a japanese woman crying something...) Felix jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:22:54 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Osaka Bondage [film] On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Doug McKay wrote: > Osaka Bondage - A film by Henry Hills with music by Naked City. I may be misremembering, but I believe this is one of the Naked City songs Hills did a video for. So this may just be a music video. (Lots of cutup footage from actual Japanese bondage films if it's the one I'm thinking of.) Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 18:18:53 -0500 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: John Fahey At 03:04 AM 2/1/98 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >I saw George Winston play live once as an obligation of the job I held at the time. >It's probably the only concert at which I've actually fallen asleep. I do remember at >one point a bat flew into the theatre and was far more interesting to track than >anything happening onstage. Yet for his encore Barefoot George had the stagehands >haul the San Antonio Symphony's celeste onstage for him, and he played only Jelly Roll >Morton and Fats Waller tunes. Would that *that* had been the concert instead... this >was as impish as anything I've ever known George Winston to do (aside from getting his >own label, Magenta, during the Windham Hill years and then using it to issue a >Professor Longhair LP and two volumes of Anthony Braxton playing standards). Ugh- I hate to be in a position where I have to defend George Winston! OK, we all know that he's put out a lot of music that's been cited as unfair competition from Somenex. Yet, as you say, he's also responsible for putting out that Longhair LP (which is a major public service IHMO), the Braxton material and even some good native Hawaiian music compilations that are much more authentic than Don Ho. I'm waiting to get some material from John's bio and then I'm going to put up an interview I did with him. He's an excerpt about what he thinks about George Winston: 'He's... a rebellious type. When he was in high school, he and his friends decided that they wanted to destroy a talk show in Florida. They recorded about 90 minutes of lunatic phone calls that they made and they're funny as hell. Even though George plays nice, passive dinner music on stage, backstage he's really good. He plays really good guitar too. There is a lot of rebellion in him- he just doesn't show it onstage.' Jason Perfect Sound Forever Warped perspectives on all types of music perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #219 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.