From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #225 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, February 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 225 In this issue: - Buckethead Re:angelus novus vinyl issues ? Re: miles vs zorn ? Raoul Bjorkenheim/Bill Laswell collaboration Re: Absinthe Re: Absinthe Re: Raoul Bjorkenheim/Bill Laswell collaboration A column about Zorn Re: Absinthe Re:A column about Zorn x-tzadik revue Re: Absinthe Re: Some Victo Releases... Re: Sonic Youth / O'Rourke Re: TV Shit FWD:Want List Sonic Youth/Jim O'Rourke CD Questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:59:30 EST From: FUNKADELlC@aol.com Subject: Buckethead so as i was sayin....... i saw Buckethead play this past weekend twice with his new band Giant Robot 2.... it was nothing short of amazing,.....the first night was at dis place called the Mint it was some sort of guitar premotion show.. Buckethead didnt seem to care he came out and busted with a phat death metal set... 2 nights later.. i seen him at a small guitar shop.. he busted with a mostly Acoustic/jazz set with a violin player....we in LA got a treat yo..... - -corn dog - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:48:02 -0500 From: stephen drury Subject: Re:angelus novus >Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:48:51 -0500 >To: zorn-list@lists.mindspring.com >From: stephen drury >Subject: Re:angelus novus > >At 04:34 PM 2/3/98 -0700, you wrote: >> btw. why not a bit more "trainspotting"..... >At around the 7'30" mark on Carny there is a repeated dissonant chord >that sounds very much like it was taken from one of Stockhausen's >Klavierstuckes (can't remember which one off-hand). > >Tom -- you're right; the chord from Stockhausen's Klav. IX is overlaid with the chord from Bartok's "Ostinato" from, I think, the last "Mikrokosmos" volume. Robin Maconie actually draws a parallel between the 2 pieces in his excellent study on Stockhausen. You might also look for Berg's Chamber Concerto, Varese, Elliott Carter, Boulez 2nd Sonata, Ives, Messiaen, Brahms, and of course Fats Waller (along with many others) elsewhere on the CD (I ain't sayin' where!). >-- steve > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 03:36:57 PST From: "Tim Schelfhout" Subject: vinyl issues ? Hello there, Does anyone out there know wheter Zorn is still putting things out on vinyl (I still swear by vinyl !!!). Maybe someone has a list of Zorn records that appeared on vinyl and more precisely if the Zorn/Patton collaboration 'Minor swing' was ever put out on vinyl. Thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:45:39 -0300 From: "A.Bueno" Subject: Re: miles vs zorn ? A.Bueno wrote: > > Just founded this article.Anyone knows something about this story > (Miles vs.Zorn)? > A.Bueno > > > > http://www.theatlantic.com/atlantic/unbound/jazz/articles.htm > > > > Jazz in The Atlantic Monthly > >> > > "'Zorn' for 'Anger,'" by Francis Davis (January 1991) > >"John Zorn is the only musician I've ever considered suing," writes Davis(Miles). > Despite his bad boy image and the eardrum shattering volume of his live > performances, Zorn's contribution to recent avant-garde music, > especially his interpretations of fllm music, cannot be dismissed. Sorry all. I couldn`t read the article yesterday nor did i pay attention to the writer`s name.To add more confusion i received this message from a MILES DAVIS mailing list.Uhh!! A.Bueno - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:20:37 EST From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: Raoul Bjorkenheim/Bill Laswell collaboration The last time I spoke to Raoul [admittedly quite a few months ago] he was very excited about going to NYC to do some recording/collaborative work with Bill Laswell & Nicky Skopelitis [among others, I assume]. Other than their two collaborations on record with Paul Schutze/Phantom City, has any stuff with Laswell or related artists been released yet? Is it "forthcoming"? Steve F. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:20:35 +0100 From: "Felix" Subject: Re: Absinthe >I know this has probably been done many times before, but can someone >describe Absinthe for me? Weeell... The album is absolutely weird. It is also absolutely a masterpiece. However, I advise you not to go blind-shopping on this one. The album has not much to do with the other Naked City works, except perhaps for the first part of Grand Guignol (and I haven't heard Heretic so I can't compare it with this one). If you like experimental music (really experimental) the album is perfect, it's really good. If not, you'll say the album is nothing but crap. There's a track that seems right out of "Alien" with the constant noise the ship makes. There are few words to describe the album other than "weird" and "exceptional". Felix jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:52:01 +0100 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Re: Absinthe >>I know this has probably been done many times before, but can someone >>describe Absinthe for me? The first time I listened to this it was like sets of just ambient noises put together, it was not bad but I was not so impressed by it. Then I used it in my walkman for a long walk to my work on some misty morning. I was amazed. It sounded like the over-amplification of environmental noises (breathing, heart-beats, wind, water) in way a person gets mad/obsessed by just listening to these noises (see also the haunting soundtrack of "Eraserhead"). I know some drugs can stimulate the senses and maybe that's the connection to the title of the piece "Absinthe" and the drug-abuse by 19th century poets (Verlaine, mentionned in one of the titles,Baudelaire, Poe,...) Just a guess, YVes - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 06:35:15 -0800 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Raoul Bjorkenheim/Bill Laswell collaboration At 08:20 AM 2/5/98 EST, CuneiWay@aol.com wrote: >The last time I spoke to Raoul [admittedly quite a few months ago] he was very >excited about going to NYC to do some recording/collaborative work with= Bill >Laswell & Nicky Skopelitis [among others, I assume]. > >Other than their two collaborations on record with Paul Schutze/Phantom= City, >has any stuff with Laswell or related artists been released yet? Is it >"forthcoming"?=20 There is a Raoul Bj=F6rkenheim/Nicky Skopelitis recording, produced by Bill, that has been made. It is done through the mastering process and was supposed to come out on Douglas, but it does not appear that Douglas will release it. There should be a label announcement someday.=20 It is a beautiful recording, by the way. B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:39:36 -0500 From: "Simon Thibaudeau" Subject: A column about Zorn Hi, I'm sorry to use this list for my better interest but it is zorn related so... I am the editor of a fanzine and i would like somebody to wirte for me about the influence of John Zorn on today's music. Since my knowledge of Zorn is limited for now, I feel that I am not ready to write such a column. This column should be long ramblings about how great Zorn is, how he influenced the different types of music and the people he worked with. Since my 'zine is a metal one it sould not be expected that people know who is Sun Ra or Miles Davis. Anybody interested please contact me personnally P.S.:Please don't expect any money out of this Simon Thibaudeau Personal: simon.thibaudeau@ift.ulaval.ca Mindspell: aag017@agora.ulaval.ca http://mindspell.home.ml.org http://mindspellzine.home.ml.org Mindspell "paper" 'zine out now! featuring: Devin Townsend, Sadus, Brutal Truth, Raison D'être, Solar Spine and more.... Send 2$ US and Canada 3$ World to: Mindspell c/o Simon Thibaudeau 112 Ste-Marie Panet G0R 2J0 Canada "Mwahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!" -Me at birth - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:09:25 +0100 From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com Subject: Re: Absinthe Yves wrote: > The first time I listened to this it was like sets of just ambient noises > put together, it was not bad but I was not so impressed by it. I had the same feeling, except that I was duly impressed by the track that sounds like an earthquake. Even a very low volume, the glasses in my cupboard started to shake, and the sounds were very visceral. I've only bought the album recently, though, years after all the other Naked City albums. > I was amazed. It sounded like the over-amplification of environmental noises > (breathing, heart-beats, wind, water) in way a person gets mad/obsessed > by just listening to these noises (see also the haunting soundtrack > of "Eraserhead"). I know some drugs can stimulate the senses > and maybe that's the connection to the title of the piece "Absinthe" > and the drug-abuse by 19th century poets > (Verlaine, mentionned in one of the titles,Baudelaire, Poe,...) I've never tried Absinthe myself but it is said to seriously distort your sensory perception of the things around you. I'm glad someone mentioned the "Eraserhead" soundtrack on this list. That must be one of the most effective soundtracks ever. It adds enormously to the atmosphere of total disorientedness and isolation that the movie pervades. Does anyone know whether the soundtrack is available on CD? Frankco. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:31:22 UT From: peter_risser@cinfin.com Subject: Re:A column about Zorn I'd love to do a column, except that I don't think Zorn has influenced modern music yet, beyond the group of people he hangs with, or what he's done with Avant and Tzadik as far as making more different musics available. I think in ten to twenty years, you'll see a whole group of folks who've really been inspired by Zorn, but for now it's too early. Unless I'm missing something, which could be the case. That's my two cents. Peter - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:39:04 PST From: "Scott Handley" Subject: x-tzadik revue To those with time: I am still a relative newbie to the impossibly-funded, ever-growing world of Tzadik Records (that is,I have less than a dozen, and most are Zorn albums). At this point, it occurs to me that Mr Zorn must be RICH, or perhaps he still receives big-ass production royalties from the Bungle record, or maybe the Elektra records really blew up. I do know that he must spend six times what I do on music and other media, and I'm always broke. So I conclude: the man is a rock star in his own right. And dammit, better him than Baby Spice. Does anyone know the "story" of Tzadik records? I hear their staff equals three people and some part-time occasional help. Pardon: digression. Now, the meat of the matter---for those of you who can spare the time, could you pass along opinions to me of a handful of albums? Feel free to E-mail me, of course, since several are old(er) and have probably been discussed many times already, and I wouldn't want to waste space (I know you guys can't tell based on these posts. 1. Two really fascinating Elliot Sharp records (any label) 2. Zubi Zuva JEHOVAH (Tzad) 3. Makigami Koichi KUCHINOHA (Tzad) 4. Arnold Dreyblatt ANIMAL MAGNETISM (Tzad) 5. Li Chin Sung PAST (Tzad) 6. Anthony Coleman SELFHATERS (Tzad) 7. Nana Vasconcelos the film music album (?) (Tzad) 8. Fred Frith Anything other than the duos w/H. Kaiser 9. Frank London 10.Ikue Mori Anything, on any label (never heard her: I'm nervous about her but so many people I respect love her; I just need an opinion and a description, where possible) 11.Does anyone have TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LUNGS or PAKISTANI POMADE? Please e-mail me. 12. Saint Genet Himself PARACHUTE YEARS box (too much of the same thing, or tour de force? You decide.) 13. Anything interesting you'd like to share (Where I'm at, Tool is cutting edge; I'm happy when you cats proselytize.) And if these long notes or personal-favors questions are pissing anyone off, please let me know. I don't intend to impose too bad. It's my party, baby, and it freaks me out, Scott H ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:00:04 -0500 From: philz Subject: Re: Absinthe >Yves wrote: > >I've never tried Absinthe myself but it is said to seriously distort your >sensory perception of the things around you. I'm glad someone mentioned the >"Eraserhead" soundtrack on this list. That must be one of the most effective >soundtracks ever. It adds enormously to the atmosphere of total >disorientedness >and isolation that the movie pervades. Does anyone know whether the soundtrack >is available on CD? Eraserhead: Original Soundtrack IRS CD70027 I don't know if the cd is still in print (I'd guess not) or what year it came out, but it's a wonderful thing... philz - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:20:31 -0500 From: Valkwitch Subject: Re: Some Victo Releases... David J. Keffer wrote: > > >I've been hearing a lot about the _Victo_ record label lately yet I've > >never actually seen any albums on it. I'm told that there is a Fushitsusha > >live album and a Gastr del Sol album available (presumably recorded at the > >festival). Does anyone have any info about the label. I'd like to get my > >hands on both of these titles. > >Jesse > > Recently there have been some releases on Victo of Live performances > from Festival International de Musique Actuelle Victoriaville, Canada 1997. > There is one with Fushitsusha but I don't think it's out yet. February > or March for that. I also haven't heard of any Gastr del sol on Victo. > There are a couple of older Victo discs with O'Rourke > "Tomorrow Knows Where you live" Henry Kaiser & Jim O'Rourke 1992 > "Acoustics" Henry Kaiser, Jim O'Rourke, John Oswald, and Mari Kimura 1994 > (These are both group improv discs) and a new one from the 1997 Festival > "Clouds" Lee Ranaldo, Gianni Gebbia, William Hooker, O'Rourke 1998. > Haven't heard it. > > Anyway, Forced Exposure stocks the Victo catalog as does Verge distribution > in Canada. > > David K. > > - yes, a good thing is to check forced exposure for some of the Victo releases, probably not all of them are there though... the only Victo release i own is "piece for jetsun dolma" which is thurston moore along w/ drummers/percussionists william winnant and tom surgal (Victo #45).a catalog list of releases 1-45 is included inside, so now its probably outdated, anyways here are some of the artists: 1- fred frith/rene lussier 2- anthony braxton/derek bailey 3- richard teitelbaum/carlos zingaro 6- marilyn crispell 7- anthony braxton 8- barre phillips 11- roscoe mitchell 12- marilyn crispell quintet 14- jim o'rourke/henry kaiser 18- zeena parkins 19- elliott sharp/carbon orchrestra 21- anthony braxton quartet 22- plimley/ellis/bendian 25- kaiser/kimura/o'rourke/oswald 26- elliott sharp/zeena parkins 31- keith tippett 32- charles gayle 36- rene lussier & the now orchrestra 41- phil minton quartet 44- elliot sharp/zeena parkins - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:30:36 -0500 From: Valkwitch Subject: Re: Sonic Youth / O'Rourke tricky88@earthlink.net wrote: > > Felix said: > > > > As anyone out there ever heard the album TV Shit with Yamantaka Eye and > > Sonic Youth? If so, how's it like? > > This post reminded me of the new Sonic Youth I heard this weekend - I DJ > at a pirate L.A. station on Fridays and the DJ before me is Mike Watt. > Last Friday I'm driving in and he has a guest DJ on - Thurston Moore - > who is playing the latest instrumental SY EP (vol. 3). I found the > first two a bit boring, but this one is co-credited to Jim O'Rourke; 3 > songs, about 50 minutes of music, and really interesting stuff. I don't > think it has been released yet, but all fans of either musician(s) > should check it out. > -Mauer > > - this is now available mail order only, through SYR(sonic youth records), or more so steve shelley's smells like records, $8 not including postage...retail release should be any time this month... haven't listened to it yet but its supposedly pretty quiet as compared to the first two syr eps, the 1st track is roughly 23 minutes, the 2nd is about 6, and the last is about 30 minutes... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:34:34 -0500 From: Valkwitch Subject: Re: TV Shit Peter Cline wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Felix wrote: > > > As anyone out there ever heard the album TV Shit with Yamantaka Eye and > > Sonic Youth? If so, how's it like? > > > > BTW, I'm new to the list and I worship John Zorn's music (but then again, > > don't we all?) > > > > Felix, who is realising that most of the good musical artists come from New > > York. > > jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt > > > This cd I found to be rather uninteresting and disappointing. It is only > 9 minutes long and I had expected much more from such a collaboration. > But hey they can't all be gems. yep, this is ep is like an extreme-boredoms-like scream/noisefest...good to annoy the neighbors... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:49:06 -0700 MST From: sasanborn@micron.com Subject: FWD:Want List ---------- Start of forwarded message ---------- Message# 639249 Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:01:50 -0700 MST From: SASANBORN To: SASANBORN Subject: Want List Hi there. I'm really interested in checking out some musick by the following bands listed below, I know not all of them would be considered the style of this list, but if anybody out there has any of this and could maybe swap me a tape of some, or just give me a description of what the group is like, I'd be most appreciative. Thanx. You can email me at sasanborn@micron.com Asha Vida Azusa Plane Bevis Frond Electric Frankenstein Faust Flying Saucer Attack Fretless AZM Fuxa Ghost Glide Keiji Haino-Fushitsusha High Rise The Joykiller Legendary Pink Dots ( I've only got 2 of their cd's) Manic Street Preachers Ruins Saints 7% Solution Transient Waves Wesley Willis YBO2-Alienation Yellow Magic Orchestra Zodiac - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:49:32 -0800 From: Todd Bramy Subject: Sonic Youth/Jim O'Rourke Release date for SYR 3 is March 2. Todd Bramy tbramy@oz.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:05:18 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: CD Questions 1. Has anyone seen Z-Rock Hawaii by Ween/Eye or Sacrifist by Praxis anywhere on CD lately? (or alternatively, does anyone have a copy of either that they would like to sell?) 2. Has anyone heard the new "greatest film music" set of Georges Delerue? Just wondering what films it's got on it, and whether it'd be worth picking up... Speaking of Delerue, does anyone know where I could get his soundtrack to "Contempt"? - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #225 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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