From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #229 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, February 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 229 In this issue: - SF: pointers for good sounds Re: SF: pointers for good sounds Re: bmg-they know their stuff. Albert Ayler Re: New Mr. Bungle? Re: New Mr. Bungle? RE: Painkiller RE: Painkiller 2 Re: pointers for good sounds new Buckethead Pain Killer "Marianne" cover Re: Bungle side projects cont'd.... Re: SF: pointers for good sounds European Music resources? Re: European Music resources? Curlew East Coast tour Re: Albert Ayler Re: new Buckethead Re: Ribot`s cubanos zines/web resources ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:58:08 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Whitman Subject: SF: pointers for good sounds I'm going to be in San Francisco for two months starting in the middle of March. Now I know there's tons of stuff there to listen to, but I have never paid attention to the names of the clubs until now. I want to not miss a day of great music and plan to be prepared. What are the usual places for the more experimentally-tinged kinds of things? Where does Patton, zorn, et. al... usually stop off? If anyone would like to give me poitners, or a web page link, or smething I can check out as far the 'scene' in SF goes, that would be much appreciated. I never been there before (I'm from NYC/NJ/Worcester) but am looking forward to it extensively. Thanks! Brian Whitman bwhitman@wpi.edu - http://www.netspace.org/users/bwhitman MMW: http://www.netspace.org/mmw JMP: http://www.netspace.org/jmp "Slothrop (peering): You, Never? (A pause.) Did the Kenosha Kid?" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:02:41 -0800 (PST) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: SF: pointers for good sounds On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Brian Whitman wrote: > If anyone would like to give me poitners, or a web page link, or smething > I can check out as far the 'scene' in SF goes, that would be much Beanbenders is the place you wanna be: http://astro.berkeley.edu/plonsey/beanbenders.html and when you get in town, pick up a copy of the SF Bay Guardian, a weekly free newspaper. or go to their website: http://www.sfbg.com hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:09:11 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: bmg-they know their stuff. In a message dated 98-02-11 20:02:25 EST, you (umillj08@mcl.ucsb.edu) write: << "John Zorn is a downtow new york freak who likes to round up other downtown new york freaks, go into a studio and record freaky music... (Naked City is) a collection of dark, evil and propulsive compositions that he (Zorn) dubbed, 'jazz noir.'" comments? >> Sounds about right to me...;-) spinning: Sun Ra- Other Planes of There =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:13:30 From: "Doug McKay" Subject: Albert Ayler [This was written for rec.music.bluenote but fits here too.] These days I'm hitting jazz from John Zorn's direction. A few years ago I tried a bit of Parker, Monk, and Dexter Gordon, and brought along a previous interest in Swing (e.g. Benny Goodman) but didn't know where to go from there and didn't look much further. I found Eric Dolphy about a week ago and absolutely love his stuff. I am without question a Dolphy fan. Dolphy brought me to Mingus and I like him too. Zorn leads me to Ornette Coleman and I picked up THE SHAPE OF JAZZ TO COME today for my first taste. I guess this is indeed what jazz became because it just sounds like "jazz" to me. FREE JAZZ is next on my list, though, for Coleman, and I'm certain that one is going to be a hell of a ride. Besides, Dolphy is on it! Now, on to my discovery of Albert Ayler. A couple days ago I borrowed a copy of the Penguin Jazz Guide and page by page noted sax players I might like and what might be a good first sample of their work. Albert Ayler sounded interesting. I'd never come across his name before but the Guide recommended SPIRITUAL UNITY. So today I bought it. 1964 was a good year for jazz wasn't it? This came out and so did OUT TO LUNCH. Ayler is very interesting and enjoyable. I'm drawn to this album. As I write, the second variation of "Ghosts" is playing on headphones. So many good sax players died young. [Parker, Dolphy, Ayler, Coltrane] What would jazz have become if they had lived? I *will* be buying more Ayler. Peter Brotzman's MACHINE GUN ('68) is also on my list, as is David Murray's MING ('80) and THE HILL ('86). I had a "bad experience" with Coltrane back when I was looking at jazz before (I listened to MY FAVORITE THINGS - and coming from a heavy metal background this is *not* a pleasurable experience) and am now making him wait while I search around for others. Lucky for him (and me, no doubt) the Great Dolphy recorded with him. Anyway, I like Ayler and am happy I found him. Doug McKay In Minnesota - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:56:30 +0100 From: "Felix" Subject: Re: New Mr. Bungle? Why? Do YOU know anything that I don't know about? My knowledge is that Mr. Bungle's last was Disco Volante and I never ever heard of them before. Oh, please please please please please please please please, make it so. I'd realy like to see those guys doing new stuff. Felix jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt - -----Original Message----- From: chad edwards To: zorn-list@xmission.com Date: quarta-feira, 11 de fevereiro de 1998 23:37 Subject: New Mr. Bungle? > > > > > > Say, does anyone out there in computer land know >any word about Mr.Bungle's future release and when >exactly it will be available? > > I need to know. Its important. > > Thanks...really, > Chad D. Edwards > (on the internet) >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >- > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:48:13 -0600 From: "Petsitter" Subject: Re: New Mr. Bungle? - -----Original Message----- From: Gauthier Michelle A <7mag2@qlink.queensu.ca> To: Petsitter Cc: chad edwards ; zorn-list@xmission.com Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 10:40 PM Subject: Re: New Mr. Bungle? > >> Exactly what side projects right now? I know the new secret chiefs is >> coming out soon. Is it true that Patton left Faith No More? Id say its >> about time he left that dead end project any ways. > >Yeah, the new SC3 is due out in March on Amarillo. It is true that Patton >said goodbye to Faith No More. >Ummmmm.... well Patton is working with several musicians and doing his own >solo work, (I'm sure most people are familiar with his 2 Tzadik >releases) and he'll be playing at Victoriaville in May with his own >unit, and also with Zorn and Ikue Mori. >Danny (percussion) plays with another band called Dieselhed... >Trey (guitars, electronics) has several other obscure projects besides SC3 >such as Faxed Head and he is >also on an upcoming Avant release called _Weird Little Boy_ with Patton, >William Winant and others... >Trevor (basses) has several jazz-related projects such as Junk Genius, the >Graham Connah Group, Snorkel, and he plays on a bunch of CD's by other >west coast musicians such as Ben Goldberg, John Schott, and Philip >Greenlief, just to name a few. He is also part of a really cool project >called Tipsy that everyone should own... Thats some really exciting information to me. I have so many questions for you. When is that avant release coming out and where will it be easily available? Will Patton and Zorn be coming to chicago? I was thinking of getting Junk Genious, could you describe it a little. the knitting factory said it was like bungle, but is it like disco or their first album? I would hope it is similar to disco volante. Thank you!> - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:00:48 UT From: peter_risser@cinfin.com Subject: RE: Painkiller There are tons of internet music stores, most of which deliver to Canada. www.pentagonmusic.com www.cdnow.com www.massmusic.com www.cduniverse.com etc. etc. Peter - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:01:30 UT From: peter_risser@cinfin.com Subject: RE: Painkiller 2 Or, duh, sorry, go to the Tzadik website itself, where I believe you can order. www.tzadik.com Peter - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:00:25 -0800 From: "Keith McMullen" Subject: Re: pointers for good sounds >If anyone would like to give me poitners, or a web page link, or smething >I can check out as far the 'scene' in SF goes, that would be much >appreciated >Brian Whitman Here's the best Web resource: http://www.slip.net/~wedge/gigs.html Also check the SF section in Cadence magazine by Stuart Kremsky Keith - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:29:07 -0800 From: Todd Bramy Subject: new Buckethead I listened to a copy of the new Buckethead CD "Colma" tonight and thought I'd let you all know a little bit about it. Quiet. Surprisingly calm set, a lot of solo guitar stuff. The promo pack looks like they're really pushing this whole "guitar genius" thing. I expect to see some Guitar Player magazine stuff out of this. Hmmm. A wonderful set though. Quite sparse without drifting too much into ambient. (not to say that would be bad) label: CyberOctave street date: 3/24/98 Buckethead: guitar, basses Brain: drums, loops DJ Disc: (DJing I guess) on 3 tracks Bill Laswell: bass on 1 track (which he produces) Terry Untalon: cello, viola on 2 tracks. 13 tracks in all. Produced by Buckethead & Xtrack (Except the Laswell track) I see in the promo material something I've not heard of: he released material under an anagram name: Death Cube K. Can anyone tell me what this is like or what label it's on? Thanks << todd >> =83=83=83=83=83=83=83 "I don't want to spend my life explaining myself. You either get it or you don't." =46rank Zappa - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:06:08 -0500 From: David Keffer Subject: Pain Killer "Marianne" cover > > On the first CD there's a bonus-track : Marianne, featuring Makigami Koichi > > (vocals) and Haino Keiji (guitar). > > is it a cover of the classic Leonard Cohen song? :) What I have heard is that the song "Marianne" is originally by the 60s Japanese garage band, The Jacks. David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:10:05 -0500 (EST) From: Gauthier Michelle A <7mag2@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Bungle side projects cont'd.... > When is that avant release coming out and where will it be easily > available? I HEARD that the release date is sometime in late February for _Weird Little Boy_, but this is possibly a Japanese release date. Someone out there in computerland might know more about the exact date this record will make it's way to North America. > Will Patton and Zorn be coming to chicago? Ummmmm... I don't think so, not in the near future anywayzzzzz.... let me check my crystal ball.... ;-) > I was thinking of getting Junk Genius, could you describe it a little. > the knitting factory said it was like bungle, but is it like disco or their > first album? I would hope it is similar to disco volante. The Knitting Factory described JG as Bungle-like? Really? Shame on them! In actuality I HATE trying to decribe music, but I'll give it a shot... Junk Genius..... it's quartet comprised of Dunn (upright bass), Ben Goldberg (clarinets), John Schott (guitar) and Kenny Wollesen (percussion). It definitely has some Be-bop, lots of improvisation and free structure, and a bit of Klezmer influence. The pieces are reinterpretations of tunes by Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillepspie and Bud Powell. It's a nice album, but in no way connected to Mr. Bungle IMHO! m. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:27:15 -0600 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: SF: pointers for good sounds For what it's worth... The Elbo room is where Charlie Hunter seems to have made his home base. I was going to see him there one night while visiting but instead I had to go get someone at the airport. Bummer. Dan - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:29:19 -0600 From: Dan Hewins Subject: European Music resources? Hey everyone, I'm going to Europe in May and I was wondering if anyone knows about festivals/tours that will be happeing around that time. Are there any difinitive web resources I should check out? Thanks, Dan - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:56:19 PST From: "Joe the Shmoo" Subject: Re: European Music resources? > >Hey everyone, > >I'm going to Europe in May and I was wondering if anyone knows about >festivals/tours that will be happeing around that time. Are there any >difinitive web resources I should check out? > >Thanks, >Dan DAN: By the time I get this post up, there will be eighty responses, but here goes: www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/index.html Simply the best! Also: if you want to catch any American acts over there, check the obvious sources: Knitfac Tour page, Screwgun records, etc etc etc > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:28:19 EST From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: Curlew East Coast tour CURLEW George Cartwright - saxes Chris Cochrane & Davey Williams - guitars Ann Rupel - bass Kenny Wollesen - drums will be performing the following east coast shows: Saturday March 7th - Phantasmagoria - 11319 Elkin St., Wheaton, MD (301) 949-8886 [with BOOM from Richmond, VA] Sunday March 8th - Buttonwood Tree - 605 Main St. Middletown, CT (860) 347-4957 stephan@buttonwood.org Tuesday March 10th - Knitting Factory - 74 Leonard St. NYC, NY (212) 219-3006 [10:00 PM] Wednesday March 11th - Green Street Grill -Boston, MA [11:00 PM] Friday March 13th - Carnegie Mellon University - Pittsburgh, PA [with WATERSHED QUINTET] I'm sorry that I don't have street addresses and/or phone numbers for the last two shows at this time - you can check our tour website for updates at: http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/tour.html "George Cartwright's Curlew is the best and most obstinately commited band to emerge from New York's Knitting Factory -based alternative music scene in recent years."-Option "The unironic, idiosyncratic mix of Latin, soul, funk, free music and jazz rock gives fusion a good name. George Cartwright has been nurturing Curlew since 1979 - he has one hell of a group on his hands."-The Wire Curlew will be performing material from their brand new Cuneiform release "Fabulous Drop" as well as other material. Hope some of you can make it there! Steve Feigenbaum - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:04:39 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Albert Ayler At 4:13 AM 2/12/98, Doug McKay wrote: >[This was written for rec.music.bluenote but fits here too.] > >These days I'm hitting jazz from John Zorn's direction. A few years ago I >tried a bit of Parker, Monk, and Dexter Gordon, and brought along a >previous interest in Swing (e.g. Benny Goodman) but didn't know where to go >from there and didn't look much further. > >I found Eric Dolphy about a week ago and absolutely love his stuff. I am >without question a Dolphy fan. Dolphy brought me to Mingus and I like him >too. Zorn leads me to Ornette Coleman and I picked up THE SHAPE OF JAZZ TO >COME today for my first taste. I guess this is indeed what jazz became >because it just sounds like "jazz" to me. FREE JAZZ is next on my list, >though, for Coleman, and I'm certain that one is going to be a hell of a >ride. Besides, Dolphy is on it! > >Now, on to my discovery of Albert Ayler. > Hi Doug, You're in for a wild ride here, congratulations on your "discoveries". For me, hearing Ornette live about 15 years ago was my ticket into jazz, I know the feeling when it suddenly all makes sense. I think you'd really enjoy the recent Coltrane Live at the Village Vanguard box set, not only is it some of Coltrane's finest stuff (pre-Ascension, but parts are surprisingly out for the time), but it has a lot of very fine playing from Dolphy. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:08:35 -0500 From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Re: new Buckethead Todd Bramy wrote: > I listened to a copy of the new Buckethead CD "Colma" tonight and t= hought > I'd let you all know a little bit about it. > http://www.bucketheadland.com has sound samples of this... > I see in the promo material something I've not heard of: he release= d > material under an anagram name: Death Cube K. Can anyone tell me wh= at this > is like or what label it's on? > > 2 releases. Dreamatorium - on Strata/Subharmonic and Disembodied - on= Ion.Erie dark ambient noise with Bhead and Laswell on stringed instruments and= stuff... - -Sean > Thanks > > << todd >> > > =83=83=83=83=83=83=83 > "I don't want to spend my life explaining myself. > You either get it or you don't." > Frank Zappa > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:16:23 +0100 From: Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf Subject: Re: Ribot`s cubanos For everyone in Europe who is interested listing to this band. There is a tour announced for August/September 1998 by Saudades. http://www.ejn.it/tours/saudades.htm Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:17:34 PST From: "Joe the Shmoo" Subject: zines/web resources Looking for really cool internet/web music/art/lit oriented sites. Please assume i already know about the most common resources: the ones I could find myself in five minutes flat (Yahoo, etc) I've probably followed; but who knows? I get lost in links, it's terrible. I prefer intelligent writing, not just a "fanzine". Also, 2 things: 1. I am not a fan(atic). I like to enthuse but I'm trying to temper that with an intelligent research-mentality. have fun, culture-mulch, but follow leads...which leads me to #2... 2.I am a fanatic for all things Corbett. John Corbett's writing has been topically interesting and damned well-written and I want more. So, till the second book comes out....where the hell are the non DOWNBEAT papers/articles? I cannot find the OCTOBER, NEW ART EXAMINER, etc stuff. Did find a book on Chicago Arts with an chapter by JC on the history of the Chicago avant-garde music scene. I would appreciate help with this, as well as pointers to other writers who function on such a highly multidisciplinary level. Thanks a heep! (You guys are the best.) KSH P.s. You can e-mail me directly, unless the resulting thread would be helpful to community. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #229 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.