From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #236 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, February 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 236 In this issue: - Re: Me and Val Wilmer Re: Altschul [Fwd: Concert Announcement] Re: new David Shea Re: Big Gundown for $50 Re: Ayler Re: new David Shea Masada Tet is out!!! English or Japanese Tribe? Re:Altschul Re: Masada Tet is out!!! Big John Patton recommendations? Re: new David Shea Re: Big John Patton recommendations? Re: Big John Patton recommendations? Re: Big John Patton recommendations? orchestral release? Re: Big John Patton recommendations? Re: Masada Tet is out!!! Re: Angelus Novus sax wars final bar sax wars final bar Re: Masada Tet is out!!! Joy of Disease feldman / fushitsusha feldman / fushitsusha ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:02:10 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Me and Val Wilmer Jeff Schwartz wrote: > Ms. Wilmer was fully footnoted in my book. [snip] > This situation has been resolved (as near as I can tell) > to everyone's satisfaction in letters between Wilmer, Bill > Smith of Coda, and me. It's a drag that Coda let her dog > me out before we all had a chance to talk, but it's all ok > now. Awfully glad to hear about it, and as I feel suitably jerky to have reported Ms. Wilmer's grievances without having heard that they had been resolved, let me also add that Jeff's online book on Ayler contains lots of stuff that isn't in Wilmer's book, and that furthermore I think it's one of the best references on Ayler I've ever seen. It was extremely helpful in my research on Ronald Shannon Jackson in particular. And looking at the latest version, it's so well annotated that Val would have absolutely no cause to complain. So go read it: http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/ayler.html I always wanted to see a movie about Ayler's life, directed by Spike Lee in the pseudo-documentarian style used in "X." But I get now that it's generally known that his death was a depressive suicide with no scandal attached to it, I guess it wouldn't be particularly compelling boxoffice. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:05:06 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Altschul Anders Fransson wrote: > --Talking about Braxton, the exellent drummer Barry Altschul that played > with Braxton in the seventies. What ever happend to him, is he still > in business? He's been playing in New York pretty regularly, mostly low key gigs at the Internet Cafe with the likes of Mark Helias, Uri Caine and Dave Douglas. And, as Glenn Astarita pointed out, he's got a new disc as well. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:05:41 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: [Fwd: Concert Announcement] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------959E1A0AD708682CF3D31080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------959E1A0AD708682CF3D31080 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mh.sprynet.com.com (mh.sprynet.com [165.121.2.59]) by m4.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16977 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net ([204.119.177.22]) by mh.sprynet.com.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16663 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust210.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net [153.37.134.210]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06011; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:34:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34E81751.E62C0B72@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:39:20 +0000 From: Ellery Eskelin Reply-To: eskelin@earthlink.net Organization: Michellery Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eskelin@earthlink.net Subject: Concert Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tenor saxophonist & composer ELLERY ESKELIN with Andrea Parkins (accordion & sampler) Jim Black (drums) Friday & Saturday, February 20th & 21st Internet Cafe, NYC 82 east 3rd street, between 1st and 2nd Aves., NYC. tel: 212.614.0747 two sets each evening, 10pm & 11:30pm. $5 cover "One Great Day..." (hatOLOGY) is now available. http://home.earthlink.net/~eskelin/ - --------------959E1A0AD708682CF3D31080-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:28:34 +0800 From: Jan-Wen Lu Subject: Re: new David Shea > > PS: and hasta did not stop any activity to let us know about this > fantastic > > > record :-). > > > > oh, no! shame on me. > > > > actually, i didn't realize it was > > ok to make such announcements here > > else i would have. > > I don't know for others, but I have no problem with annoucement of > upcoming > records when they fit so well the target of this list. > > BTW, there is no catalog number written on the record. Is it really > the case, > or they forgot to put it. Also, when was it exactly released? I received their online new updates on 12/22 last year. I think it was when this CD released. And I got it more than one month ago. Since it's a limited edtion of 1000 copies, fans of Shea's works should try to find it as soon as possible!! Jan-Wen Lu - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:23:06 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Big Gundown for $50 The market will bear what the market will bear (capitalism as tautology). I'm willing to sell mine for $150!! Any takers? Never mind, it's pretty fine where it is. Sean - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:25:37 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Ayler Get ANYTHING made in 1964!! Prophecy (a month before Spiritual Unity) Vibrations and Hilversuum (with Cherry); and there's some other live quartet stuff from Berlin November 64 (which I have with some '66 tracks) Sean - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:10:29 PST From: "Joe the Shmoo" Subject: Re: new David Shea >I received their online new updates on 12/22 last year. I think it was >when this CD released. And I got it more than one month ago. Since it's >a limited edtion of 1000 copies, fans of Shea's works should try to find >it as soon as possible!! Everyone: I erased the messages pertaining to the newest D. Shea release. Sorry. Once and for all: where (how) can I (try to) get it? Sorry for the mistake, KSH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:25:58 EST From: Knutboy@aol.com Subject: Masada Tet is out!!! Masada Nine is out, and well, me thinks amazing. It includes "Acharei Mot" which was my personal highlight during Masada's last shows at the Knit. Here's the rundown (Patrice, does this look right?) :) MASADA TET DIW-933 Chayah Karet Moshav Leshem Kochot Meholatot Kedushah Ner Tamid Acharei Mot Jachin Recorded 4/21/97 NYC My opinion of Zorn's mass output is only excitment. I loved Angles Norvus (sp?) and Dura, and think that he's on the cusp of further amazing music. BTW- Selling Big Gundown for $50 seems silly when you can regulaly find them in NYC for $5-$10. On the road in Nashville I found "Torture Garden for $4! - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:56:58 -0500 (EST) From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese) Subject: English or Japanese Tribe? Confusion, confusion. I just cruised Dustygroove (.com) with the intention of purchasing the "soul-jazz/Universal Sounds") compilation of Tribe records. Only they have a two disk set of Japanse (P-Vine) comps of the same label. For way more. Any advice? If I'm gonna buy one of these three, which one? Is the additional coverage granted by one these P-Vine records worth the price? matt - ------ "Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it kept them apart, spatially." - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:45:43 PST From: "Ben Abarbanel-Wolff" Subject: Re:Altschul Barry Altschul still lives in New York. He teaches some and gigs when he can, mostly at the Internet Cafe. A friend of mine studied with him for a few years and told me lots of Barry stories. He's certainly bitter about being left out of the scene. He truly is one of the great drum innovators! -Ben ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:52:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Masada Tet is out!!! FWIW: the titles whose translations I can spot off the top of my head (can anyone fill in the rest?) are: > MASADA TET DIW-933 > > Chayah Living Thing or Wild Animal > Karet Cut off, ostracized > Moshav Cooperative settlement > Leshem For the Name > Kochot > Meholatot > Kedushah Holiness (the name of a section of synagogue services) > Ner Tamid Eternal Light > Acharei Mot After the Death > Jachin - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:40:20 -0800 From: Greg Mills Subject: Big John Patton recommendations? Big John Patton recommendations? What's a good CD to start with? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:45:22 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: new David Shea >>>>> "Joe" == Joe the Shmoo writes: Joe> I erased the messages pertaining to the newest D. Shea Joe> release. Sorry. Once and for all: where (how) can I (try Joe> to) get it? soleilmoon has it listed, www.soleilmoon.com. It's in the staalplaat section. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:06:08 -0600 From: JRZ Subject: Re: Big John Patton recommendations? At 10:40 AM 2/17/98 -0800, Greg Mills wrote: >Big John Patton recommendations? >What's a good CD to start with? "Electric Boogaloo" is a damn fine album. It's the only one I have but, from what I hear, it's the one to own. If you like the old time hammond funk (ala Jimmy Smith and Larry Young) you'll dig it. How is the Patton album with Zorn? Is it a similiar vibe to his older albums or a change of pace? zube my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm Look at Jim Evans, Look at his head, He's got a compass, and a rollaway bed! - HGB - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:22:31 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Big John Patton recommendations? In a message dated 2/17/98 1:51:29 PM, gregm@leftfield.net wrote: <> The best of his '60's records that I've heard is Blue John (Blue Note). The best of his '90's records is Minor Swing on DIW. Both of these are pretty great. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:49:18 -0600 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: Big John Patton recommendations? I don't know too much about his older (and other) albums but Minor Swing is great. I got it before I knew too much about Zorn, but enough to know that I should pick it up. I think it's a great album. Not often do you get to hear Zorn playing over a very straight ahead and solid rhythm section (like the tribute to Sonny Clark) like this one. Ed Cherry takes good guitar solos as doe Patton on the organ but they are all fairly standard. Zorn does the same for a whie but then he cuts loose and does his trademark stuff. I like the contrast. I recommend it. Dan >How is the Patton album with Zorn? Is it a similiar vibe to his older >albums or a change of pace? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:21:31 -0600 (CST) From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU Subject: orchestral release? Anyone know if/when the Orchestral Variations will be released? Will it be the NYPO performance? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:42:09 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Big John Patton recommendations? On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, JRZ wrote: > "Electric Boogaloo" is a damn fine album. It's the only one I have but, > from what I hear, it's the one to own. Is this the same as _Boogaloo_ (which is indeed damn fine)? My personal favorite is _Accent on the Blues_ which features a young James Blood Ulmer on guitar and on which the organ playing itself is a bit more out (closer to Larry Young's post-_Unity_, pre-_Emergency!_ sound than to Jimmy Smith, although Patton is less daring than Young). But I'd say the difference between these two is down to taste. Both are excellent sessions. Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:45:35 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Masada Tet is out!!! On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 Knutboy@aol.com wrote: > Masada Nine is out, and well, me thinks amazing. It includes "Acharei Mot" > which was my personal highlight during Masada's last shows at the Knit. Here's > the rundown (Patrice, does this look right?) :) I've seen this, but haven't picked it up yet because I'm not sure what's up with the box set of Masada studio recordings planned for Tzadik. Anyone know whether they've decided to release the additional material separately? (I looked, but couldn't find anything on the Tzadik website.) Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:18:44 -0500 From: stephen drury Subject: Re: Angelus Novus At 10:23 PM 2/16/98 -0700, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:30:07 UT >From: peter_risser@cinfin.com >Subject: Angelus Novus > >Does anyone know of any of the history of the pieces on Angelus Novus, like, are >they game pieces or fully-composed, adn can anyone tell me what they sound like? You bet they're fully composed. Every motherfuckin' note. (With the exception of the occasional directive "go wild" which usually lasts about three seconds, and the alto flute cadenza at the end of Part One in Christabel.) Zorn once pointed out that Morton Feldman liked to describe his (Feldman's) fully notated music as being, basically, very much like one ideal instance or realization of one of his indeterminate works. "For Your Eyes Only", etc., bear much the same relation to a work like "Cobra". - ---steve - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:13:21 -0800 From: David Slusser Subject: sax wars final bar Fascinating comparison of Col/Cole Trane/Man recording within a few days of each other. Kind of reminds me of M.L. King Jr. and Malcolm X; a very complicated comparison. Fitting postscript: At John Coltrane's funeral service, Albert Ayler played at the beginning (taking his horn out of his mouth twice and screaming) and Ornette Coleman played at the end ("Holdiay for a Graveyard"). The piece came to an end as the casket was closed. The minister at the service, John Gensel, passed on last week. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:04:48 -0800 From: David Slusser Subject: sax wars final bar Fascinating comparison of Col/Cole Trane/Man recording within a few days of each other. Kind of reminds me of M.L. King Jr. and Malcolm X; a very complicated comparison. Fitting postscript: At John Coltrane's funeral service, Albert Ayler played at the beginning (taking his horn out of his mouth twice and screaming) and Ornette Coleman played at the end ("Holdiay for a Graveyard"). The piece came to an end as the casket was closed. The minister at the service, John Gensel, passed on last week. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:20:06 +0000 From: Scott Russell Subject: Re: Masada Tet is out!!! - --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Knutboy@aol.com wrote: > On the road in Nashville I found "Torture Garden for $4! > > - Torture Garden...Nashville it must hae really gone down a storm there! Scott Russell - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:42:52 +0100 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Joy of Disease I just found "Joy of Disease" (1996,Avant) It features James Plotkin,Franz Treichler, Mick Harris and Ruth Collins, but seems to be mainly a Plotkin-project. How does this one compare to his other projects ? YVes - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:22:28 PST From: "Joe the Shmoo" Subject: feldman / fushitsusha A Helio-Hello to all: For those of us on the list who are not near the Northeast, or any Feldman-active metro area, I would like to mention an item of possible interest. There will be a Morton Feldman event at the Menil Collection gallery in Houston, TX, on April 14, 1998. "Structures for String Quartet" and about three other pieces will be played, including highlights from "Philip Guston" (kidding). In addition, there will be writers/critics speaking about personal experiences with "sexy M.F." as well as the connection between his music and the visual arts. The enormous Rob Rauschenberg retrospec is in town, to boot. You can call the menil Collection or da Camera Houston for info. AND the actual Rothko Chapel is right next door (for those who haven't been)! As for Fushitsusha (especially), Nijiumu, Haino, etc. : I am interested in buying/trading for someone's unwanted copy. Fat chance, huh? E.mail me! G'day, and thanks to the long-thread participants (alas I am an observer) for the interesting thoughts. KSH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:10:59 PST From: "Joe the Shmoo" Subject: feldman / fushitsusha A Helio-Hello to all: For those of us on the list who are not near the Northeast, or any Feldman-active metro area, I would like to mention an item of possible interest. There will be a Morton Feldman event at the Menil Collection gallery in Houston, TX, on April 14, 1998. "Structures for String Quartet" and about three other pieces will be played, including highlights from "Philip Guston" (kidding). In addition, there will be writers/critics speaking about personal experiences with "sexy M.F." as well as the connection between his music and the visual arts. The enormous Rob Rauschenberg retrospec is in town, to boot. You can call the menil Collection or da Camera Houston for info. AND the actual Rothko Chapel is right next door (for those who haven't been)! As for Fushitsusha (especially), Nijiumu, Haino, etc. : I am interested in buying/trading for someone's unwanted copy. Fat chance, huh? E.mail me! G'day, and thanks to the long-thread participants (alas I am an observer) for the interesting thoughts. KSH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #236 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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