From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #260 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, March 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 260 In this issue: - Re: stone tiger FT: Zorn/Praxis Re: FT: Zorn/Praxis Ground Zero stone tiger Re: FT: Zorn/Praxis Sharrock Tribute / Dying Ground Re: Sharrock Tribute CD Dying Ground/Maneri Re: Dying Ground/Maneri seven souls/western lands Re: stone tiger Re: seven souls/western lands zorn reviews Re: Maneri Pennsylvania The Big Gundown Parker/Prevost Naked city Re: exiles? Re: Naked city Evil Ska Sonny Sharrock tribute Pachora in Pittsburgh Mimaroglu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:18:50 -0500 From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: stone tiger Sean Terwilliger wrote: > > Does anyone know who the drummer in Stone Tiger was? Man, what a phenomonal > band. are there any demo's floating around? They started out with Mike Clark(Brand X, Mingus Dynasty etc...). then Dougie Bowne(Lounge Lizards....). Anything from 82 is Clark, Bowne joined in early 83,I believe. There are Demo's from 83, about 20 minutes worth. Oh yeah... and right near the end of the band's existence they added a keyboard player; Anton Sanko. Rich - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:17:58 -0500 From: "Jason J. Tar" Subject: FT: Zorn/Praxis Hello, Was hoping to trade the following: Spillane, Torture Garden, and Cobra (Tokyo Operations). Plus the local used shop has Sacrifist and Metatron (the original versions) used that I could pick up for somebody if they need them. Hoping to trade for some noisier Zorn works or David Shea works. Thanks. BTW--Anybody out there who could supply me with a review of David Shea's works? I have his collaboration with DJ Grazhoppa and Zorn's _Elegy_ which features him and quite like both of them. Was wondering which to pick up first. Thanks. (Also any recommendations for other turntable work in the vein of Otomo Yoshihide that anyone knows of would be appreciated.) - --- Peace Hugs and Unity, Jason J. Tar Vampire Rodent Productions http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason/VRodents.htm Featuring: Vampire Rodents, Ether Bunny, and Dilate. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:37:13 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: FT: Zorn/Praxis >Hoping to trade for some noisier Zorn works or David Shea works. Thanks. Noiser than Torture Garden? | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | | | | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | UMD school of music | | | | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:36:52 EST From: CuneiWay Subject: Ground Zero Frankco [flamerik@best.ms.philips.com] wrote: >Also, on what label was the Ground Zero album "Revolutionary Pekinese Opera" >releases, and is it still available? I don't know what label released the original version, but the slightly redone version [titled "Revolutionary Pekinese Opera ver. 1.28"] was released a couple of years ago by ReR [ReR GZ1], IS still in print & shouldn't be too hard to find. Steve F. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:40:59 EST From: CuneiWay Subject: stone tiger "Sean Terwilliger" wrote: >Does anyone know who the drummer in Stone Tiger was? Man, what a phenomonal >band. are there any demo's floating around? I have it listed on a live tape as "D. Bown". Did they ever DO anything? I had always assumed that they were a one or two gig band only. How do you know them? [you probably have the same live tape I do!] Steve F. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:33:47 -0500 From: "Jason J. Tar" Subject: Re: FT: Zorn/Praxis At 05:37 PM 3/13/98 -0500, Matthew Ross Davis wrote: >>Hoping to trade for some noisier Zorn works or David Shea works. Thanks. > >Noiser than Torture Garden? > Well no. Just that I was wanting to get Black Box in order to have Leng Tch'e, and since that comes with Torture Garden I thought it wise to get rid of my cd of it first. JJTar - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:38:37 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Bissonnette Subject: Sharrock Tribute / Dying Ground =46ound this recently at http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/, in Derek Bailey's "Forthcoming Releases" section: <> Sounds pretty interesting; has anybody here gotten wind of this project at any time? I'd really like to know more details (musicians involved, the project's progress if it's still up... release date??). Secondly, the Eyvind Kang/Kato Hideki/Calvin Weston -Dying Ground CD (Avant 076) was released recently (or will be on tuesday). Has anybody gotten ahold of it already? Comments and/or reviews would be appreciated. Thanks, Bruno R=E9mi Bissonnette Ph.D. Professeur titulaire =46acult=E9 d'=C9ducation physique et sportive Universit=E9 de Sherbrooke Sherbrooke, Qu=E9bec J1K 2R1 =20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:24:00 +0000 From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Sharrock Tribute CD R=E9mi Bissonnette wrote: >=20 > Found this recently at http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/, in Derek > Bailey's "Forthcoming Releases" section: >=20 > <> >=20 > Sounds pretty interesting; has anybody here gotten wind of this project= at > any time? I'd really like to know more details (musicians involved, t Last I heard, Derek, Henry Kaiser, and E# were on board, and they were hoping to hear from several more. contact address is; =20 Rob DeNunzio Hi-Fi Mundo =20 www.teleport.com/~hifim hifim@teleport.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:07:26 -0500 (EST) From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese) Subject: Dying Ground/Maneri >Secondly, the Eyvind Kang/Kato Hideki/Calvin Weston -Dying Ground CD (Avant >076) was released recently (or will be on tuesday). Has anybody gotten >ahold of it already? Comments and/or reviews would be appreciated. Not a bad cd, but nearly as inventive as I had hoped given the folks involved. Basically this is their Painkiller tribute as near as I can tell. In fact it's often damn hard to tell Eyvind's violin from a sax. The final track is a real monster rocker, pounding and speedy. Can't get over the feeling I could get better stuff from someone who does this sort of thing for a living though. The Avant to get, IMHO, is the Joe Maneri _Panoits9_, a rerelease of his early 60s work. Roots of Masada, very definately here. Joe Maneri plays clarinet, Greek style clarinet, in a jazz setting 4tet. Very pretty, snaking melodies. Given the sound quality it almost sounds like an ethnographic recording. I can't think of anything more to say 'cept get it, it's great. Actually, I think it required that one mentions that Joe Maneri plays microtonally. So there. I wouldn't have know if I hadn't been told. It just sound completely natural. matt - ------ "Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it kept them apart, spatially." - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:13:06 EST From: JonAbbey2 Subject: Re: Dying Ground/Maneri In a message dated 3/14/98 2:09:06 AM, matthew.colonnese@yale.edu wrote: <> I'd like to disagree somewhat with this assessment. While the Maneri record is historically important, many of his more recent records are far more compelling if you ask me. Try Get Ready To Receive Yourself (Leo) or Three Men Walking (ECM). After two listens to it, I'd say the Avant record is for fans and historians. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:33:02 -0800 (PST) From: leon lee Subject: seven souls/western lands hi everyone, i've just bought these a few days ago and have been listening to them quite frequently. quite frankly, i couldn't really get into it. the music is (for the most part) good -- always great sounds and beats. i couldn't get into the burroughs readings. there is no real unfolding ideas (ie. Hakim Bey T.A.Z.) and i kept wanting the voice to go away. i know the whole concept of the albums was to feature burroughs, but it sounds as if he is augmented and yet a distraction and dare i say, a little irritating. i was hoping that if 'seven souls' featured burroughs, that 'road...' was a mostly instrumental album -- not at all. i'm trying to immerse myself in it but i'm not sure i want to try for much longer. anyone else? btw -- bought William Parker's Little Huey Creative Music Orchestra - Sunrise in the tone world. *** beautiful beautiful music, although i wish it was a studio recording. any planned? also, just bought Ornette's 'Of Human Feelings' on vinyl for $6; doubling up on the formats, you know, just in case of some freak accident, or if cd's don't last forever. leon disclaimer:it's all blue. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:46:03 EST From: IOUaLive1 Subject: Re: stone tiger In a message dated 98-03-13 12:55:52 EST, seanter@ix.netcom.com writes: > > Does anyone know who the drummer in Stone Tiger was? Man, what a phenomonal > band. are there any demo's floating around? > > -Sean > Stone Tiger featured Mike Clark on drums at first, then later it was Dougie Bowne. In case anyone doesnt know, the rest of the band was Bill Frisell on gutiar and one of my favorite musicians on the planet, Percy Jones on bass. They were around from 1982- 1984, they didnt play a whole lot, but it was more than one or two gigs. They did record some demos, but couldnt get any label interest, and subsequently disbanded. What a shame, there was a lot of potential there. Jody McAllister - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:34:27 -0500 From: Alan E Kayser Subject: Re: seven souls/western lands leon lee wrote: > snip > > btw -- bought William Parker's Little Huey Creative Music Orchestra - > Sunrise in the tone world. *** beautiful beautiful music, although i > wish > it was a studio recording. any planned? I'm not sure if any studio recordings are planned, but there is another cd of Little Huey. Too bad it's out of print, the self released "Flowers grow in my room." Little Huey is one awesome band, very much in the mode of Jemeel Moondoc's unrecorded Jus Grew, of which Parker was a member. BTW, there is a connection here for Zorn folks, Parker of course is on some Zorn recordings. Also, Parker's In Order To Survive group is every bit as strong as Little Huey, in fact in some ways his ideas are clearer in the small group settings. Another fine project that you can get on cd is Other Diemensions in Music, with Parker, Daniel Carter, and Roy Campbell. Carter and Campbell are both deserving of wider attention. Parker also has an amazing duet cd with Joe Morris, Invisible Weave. Alan > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:31:47 -0800 From: Zorn Subject: zorn reviews I am putting up a zorn page in which i hope to have fans reviews of his work. If anyone would be willing to write some please email me. also, if anyone has any movies which feature zorn's music i am highly interested . - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:38:15 -0500 (EST) From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese) Subject: Re: Maneri ><I'd like to disagree somewhat with this assessment. While the Maneri record is >historically important, many of his more recent records are far more >compelling if you ask me. Try Get Ready To Receive Yourself (Leo) or Three Men >Walking (ECM). Well, I'd like to agree with this assessment. _Three Men Walking_ is a great disk; the band is even better live. I haven't heard much of his other recent stuff, but I'm dying to. I'm still sad he doesn't play the clarinet as much these days though, which makes _Panoits9_ extremely enjoyable. But then put clarinet and mediteranean melodies on the same disk and I'm hooked. Certainly the music on _Panoits9_ and _Three men..._ has little in common (at least in overall sound), which is why I more easily recomend it to Masada fans, than Maneri fans. - ------ "Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it kept them apart, spatially." - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:52:16 -0800 From: "Keith McMullen" Subject: Pennsylvania Is Pere Ubu's new PENNSYLVANIA as great as THE WIRE magazine says it is in the March issue? It's hard to trust a magazine that says Frisell's GONE, JUST LIKE A TRAIN is "Totally rocking. As in rocking chair." Eh? Keith - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:37:12 From: "Doug McKay" Subject: The Big Gundown Well, I've grown into it, as I suspected I would. I guess Zorn must be taken as he's given and not pushed into some pre-determined category. If you haven't see "Once Upon a Time in the West" you gotta see it. "Elegaic" is what comes to mind. Powerful and wonderful music by Morricone. Henry Fonda, Jason Robards, Charles Bronson, Claudia Cardinale, and a cool intro scene with Jack Elam, Woody Strode and (who's the other killer?). Doug McKay Old West Society of Minnesota - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:13:08 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Parker/Prevost I just picked up the Evan Parker and Eddie Prevost's 2-CD 'Most Materiall' on Matchless and let me tell you, this album is the BOMB! I favor the more subtle and soft Disc A on which Prevost utilizes a variety of bowed cymblals, gongs, etc. as opposed to Disc B where the kit is more prevalent. ...and Evan Parker is just so amazing. Both of these guys are absolutely incredible so if you have any interest in either of them, I highly recommend you pick this one up! Liner notes by Christian Wolff. I also got Ernst Reijseger's solo cello 'Colla Parte' on Winter & Winter and once I figured out how to get the CD out without scraching or breaking it, I really enjoyed it. A very nice disc. -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:24:06 -0500 (EST) From: edechena@thomas.butler.edu (Dechenaux Emmanuel) Subject: Naked city You're all going to kill me but I just got "Naked city". I just heard it for the first time in my life, and so far I must say that it was great. I'm a big fan of Masada. I know the people that surround Zorn better than him actually. I am dedicated to Bill Frisell. Does anybody know what Marc Ribot is doing these last times ? You guys should try the last Marc Ducret "Details". This record is one of the greatest of all times... Ducret sounds kinda like Frisell on Big Satan. have you heard of that ? See ya M_base - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:11:15 -0500 (EST) From: William York Subject: Re: exiles? Off the topic but I found a $4 used copy of a CD on Leo by a duo called Exiles (greg Mills and Jay Zelenka I think). There are some pretty cool roscoe mitchell-like-sax and piano duets, then some other stuff using 'ethnic' instruments and pitter-pattering percussion thingies. It's not earth shatteringly great, but has anyone heard these names? Will York - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 04:09:41 EST From: Dgasque Subject: Re: Naked city In a message dated 98-03-14 23:25:56 EST, you (edechena@thomas.butler.edu) wrote: << You're all going to kill me but I just got "Naked city". I just heard it for the first time in my life, and so far I must say that it was great. >> No, but if you had said you got a Wynton Marsalis CD and that it was great... np: Sergey Kuryokhin- Ways of Freedom =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:42:43 -0500 From: chasinthetrane@juno.com (Jamie F Graves) Subject: Evil Ska >hey.. im just droppin a tip... but the first album by the Blue Meanies is full >of EVIL SKA and klezmer... and their new album is full of EVIL SKA and blast >beats .... cool shite.. Maybe it's Scott Evil from Austin Powers' Ska Band. Scott: Well I was thinking of becoming a musician... Dr. Evil: An evil musician? Scott: You know, maybe start a ska band... Dr. Evil: An evil ska band? Jamie _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:04:49 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Sonny Sharrock tribute I asked both Elliott Sharp and Henry Kaiser for info regarding the Sonny Sharrock tribute that was talked about here and this is what they had to say. Elliott Sharp: "the sonny sharrock tribute is in the works - i'll do Blind Willie as a layered piece with acoustic and electric guitars. should be out late this spring." Henry Kaiser: "Yes to Sonny tribute. All Sonny tunes + one derek talking and playing about Sonny piece. search for Hi-Fi Mundo on the net. those are the guys doing the comp. I did THE ECHOS with Leo Smith & Greg Goodman" -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:54:01 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Pachora in Pittsburgh Just got back from my show with these guys and I was absolutely blown away. All four band members played extremely well (although Chris Speed seemed to be having some embouchure problems). Brad Shepik's bouzouki (?) playing sounded very John McLaughlin-influenced at points. Jim Black was just jaw-droppingly wonderful, as ever. Is there a better drummer around these days? Particularly impressive was that they played this wonderful set cramped into the foyer of the venue with a small but enthusiastic audience, because the stage was ridiculously cold. If you get a chance to catch these guys, do not pass it up. Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:03:25 +0100 From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com Subject: Mimaroglu Peter Risser wrote: > Ilhan Mimoraglu RULES. He is, in my opinion, one of the best tape manipulators > on the planet, right up there with Henry, and better than Ussachevsky. I got > into him when I DJed at a college radio station. Unfortunately, I've been > searching for his stuff and have found none of it on the web. > > Another fantastic artist in this vein is Noah Creshevsky, but you don't see his > stuff anywhere except on Opus One releases. After these encouraging words, can you recommend any work by Mimaroglu? Also, the stuff I've heard by Parmegiani is AMAZING. I have a few pieces from a work called "Dedans-Dehors", which are mind-blowing. But his stuff seems hard to track down. I looked in a couple of books on 20th century music at the local library, but none listed Parmegiani. I've also been listening to a bit of Luigi Nono ("Como Una Ola De Fuerza Y Luz") and Giacinto Scelsi ("Quattro Piezze Per Orchestre"). So if anyone has any recommendations in that area, I'd appreciate it. Plus, does anyone know anything about Maderna, Berioz, Dutellieux, Mumma,...? Thanks, Frankco. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #260 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.