From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #261 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, March 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 261 In this issue: - Rodd Keith [none] Circle Maker Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh Kletka Red Re: Rodd Keith Re: Kletka Red ESP kaput? Re: ESP kaput? Re: ESP kaput? Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh Re: Circle Maker The Odyssey Band Re: ESP kaput? Re: Mimaroglu and friends Re: The Odyssey Band RE: Naked city Re: ESP kaput? Re: The Odyssey Band ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:09:25 -0800 (PST) From: chad edwards Subject: Rodd Keith Is anyone familiar with the ROD KEITH: I DIED TODAY release on TZADIK. It sounds interesting, but I was hoping someone could summerize it for me before I buy it. Also what is implied by TZADIK's use of the term "lunatic fringe"? Chad. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:22:35 +0100 (MEZ) From: BJOERN Subject: [none] JOHN ZORN "The Circle Maker" (Tzadik) 2xcd 21.00 Wow! Essentially part two to Zorn's wonderful "Bar Kohkba." Let's go with the obi: "The first cd, "Issachar," showcases the exciting Masada String Trio and features the telepathic interplay of Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander and Greg Cohen. The second cd, "Zevulum," expands the trio into a sextet with Marc Ribot, Cyro Baptista and Joey Baron. Passion and virtuosic fireworks abound in this historic set of New Jewish Music at its best." is this already out????????? any reviews...after the great Angelus Novus and the even greater Filmworks 8....another highlight??? BJOERN - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:27:37 -0600 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Circle Maker At 2:22 PM -0600 3/16/98, BJOERN wrote: >JOHN ZORN "The Circle Maker" (Tzadik) 2xcd 21.00 >... >is this already out????????? Comes out in the USA tomorrow 3/17. Dan - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:47:36 -0500 (EST) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh > Just got back from my show with these guys and I was absolutely blown > away. All four band members played extremely well (although Chris Speed > seemed to be having some embouchure problems). Brad Shepik's bouzouki (?) > playing sounded very John McLaughlin-influenced at points. Jim Black was > just jaw-droppingly wonderful, as ever. Is there a better drummer around > these days? Particularly impressive was that they played this wonderful My curiosoty is piqued...i've heard tales of this ledgendary Jim Black guy, and any band with a bouzouki player needs to be heard, i think. What do they sound like? Any amazing albums out? - -jascha - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:22:04 -0800 (PST) From: C E DANGELO Subject: Kletka Red This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. - ---1905785489-1907979515-888395752=:67720 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: I can't stop listening to Hijacking. Have these three done anything else together? Do they tour? Any recommendations on other klezmer-punk albums? - -cappyd at the edge of the world - ---1905785489-1907979515-888395752=:67720-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 16:38:47 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re: Rodd Keith ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Rodd Keith Author: chad edwards at SMTP-for-MSSM Date: 3/16/98 12:09 PM Is anyone familiar with the ROD KEITH: I DIED TODAY release on TZADIK. It sounds interesting, but I was hoping someone could summerize it for me before I buy it. It's a good bit of fun, quite different from anything else you're likely to find around. Consists of Keith's music for lyrics that folks sent in (the old 'send in your lyrics, we'll set 'em to music and make you a star' scam), some of the absolute worst lyrics (in a fun sense) you'll ever hear. The music ranges across several styles and is, once in a while, actually pretty catchy. Worth getting. Also what is implied by TZADIK's use of the term "lunatic fringe"? I've wondered a bit about that myself. For example, why is Butler's album classified herein? What's so "lunatic" about him? Zorn didn't issue Harry Partch under this designation; I kind of wonder how Butler feels about it. For that matter, how did Jon escape being grouped here? Brian Olewnick _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:27:51 -0500 (EST) From: Gauthier Michelle A <7mag2@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Kletka Red Hey. Actually they ARE playing the Victoriaville festival in Quebec!!!!!! Go check it out! May 14-18, 1998. m. On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, C E DANGELO wrote: > I can't stop listening to Hijacking. Have these three done anything else > together? Do they tour? Any recommendations on other klezmer-punk albums? > > -cappyd at the edge of the world > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:44:32 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: ESP kaput? I was told today that the word on the street is that the entire CD catalogue of ESP is going out of print very shortly and reissues unlikely (especially in the near future). Has anybody else heard this same thing?? Also, speaking of ESP... If anyone has any/both of those two very rare ESP LP's by Don Pullen and Milford Graves and wouldn't mind taping them for me, please get in touch! Thanks. Psyched for Circle Maker tomorrow!!! -Tom Pratt P.S. I still have a couple disc left for sale ($10 a pop)... - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:33:14 +0000 From: Yin Pin Subject: Re: ESP kaput? theres good news however that the ESP back catalog are now being licensed by an italian label, Get Back for LP releases. surf yourself over to www.forcedexposure.com. - -pin At 06:44 PM 3/16/98 -0500, Tom Pratt wrote: >I was told today that the word on the street is that the entire CD >catalogue of ESP is going out of print very shortly and reissues >unlikely (especially in the near future). Has anybody else heard this >same thing?? > >Also, speaking of ESP... If anyone has any/both of those two very rare >ESP LP's by Don Pullen and Milford Graves and wouldn't mind taping them >for me, please get in touch! Thanks. > >Psyched for Circle Maker tomorrow!!! > > -Tom Pratt > >P.S. I still have a couple disc left for sale ($10 a pop)... > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:51:22 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: ESP kaput? On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Tom Pratt wrote: > I was told today that the word on the street is that the entire CD > catalogue of ESP is going out of print very shortly and reissues > unlikely (especially in the near future). Has anybody else heard this > same thing?? I had heard about a year ago that the Smithsonian was going to be acquiring the ESP catalog. (I believe the Bernard Stollman interview in _The Wire_ mentioned this.) If the above is true, could this just be a prelude to a Smithsonian reissue program (which would be very well done but very slow if their Folkways reissues are anything to go by)? Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:58:19 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, ia zha nah er vesen wrote: > My curiosoty is piqued...i've heard tales of this ledgendary Jim Black > guy, and any band with a bouzouki player needs to be heard, i think. I must shamefacedly report that I appear to have mistaken a saz for a bouzouki. > What do they sound like? In two words, their shtick is Balkan fusion. They're a jazz group using Eastern European melodies. The arrangements remind me vaguely of Mahavishnu Orchestra (lots of fast unisons), but it never comes off as masturbatory. > Any amazing albums out? I'm at this moment listening to their self-titled Knitting Factory Works album for the first time. It's nice, but doesn't live up to their live performance so far. Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:00:30 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Circle Maker On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, BJOERN wrote: > is this already out????????? > any reviews...after the great Angelus Novus and the even greater > Filmworks 8....another highlight??? I like it a lot. It's a bit more lively than _Bar Kokhba_. Ribot's guitar sounds surfy at times. I imagine that anyone who expects to like this one will. Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:11:44 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: The Odyssey Band I picked up _Reunion_ by this group (James Blood Ulmer, Charlie Burnham, Warren Benbrow) on Knitting Factory Records today. The liner notes, written by Steve Dalachinsky in that kinda charming, kinda annoying Ralph-Gleason-on-acid style popular in the early 70's, state ". . . this band, some 15 years and 3 recordings later has come full circle." What has this trio recorded other than Ulmer's _Odyssey_ and the new one? Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:01:14 PST From: "Fran Bacon" Subject: Re: ESP kaput? >I was told today that the word on the street is that the entire CD >catalogue of ESP is going out of print very shortly and reissues >unlikely (especially in the near future). Has anybody else heard this >same thing?? To be specific, go to the "ESP" listing in the Forced Exposure site, and under Ayler's SPIRITUAL UNITY you will find the following: ZYX's license to reissue the ESP series has ended and the entire series of CDs is being deleted. We predict that much of the catalog will be completely unavailable by mid-'98, or even sooner (we are deleting titles from this site as they go out of stock). Please note that a partial quantity of our remaining stock has cut-out saw marks -- but not enought for us to consider lowering our price on remaining copies. The rights to the series have changed hands, rumored to be a Dutch jazz label. What their plans are for this material is unknown, but it's hard to imagine that anyone would go though the process of reissuing the entire catalog again anytime soon. Your opportunity to fill in any holes on this stuff is quickly diminshing. ESP was the quintessential American independent label in the 1960s, run by Bernard Stollman in NYC. They released 100+ albums, completely defining the black free-music explosion of the era; they later branched beyond into obscure European improvisation, the fringes of out-rock and folk, and other purely bizarre documentation. The label folded in 1976, but was resurrected for this CD reissue program in 1992-93 by the German dance music conglomerate ZYX. Content-wise, almost all of the titles in the 1000 numbering series are classics of their kind and come heavily recommended for those outside the scope. Get Back is reissuing at a very uncertain rate/quantity, so perhaps everyone should just take a deep breath and PANIC! PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC! The Blue Note of marginalized subculture is going under for another seventeen years! Fuck! All newbies: buy! buy! buy! KSH ...who's ESP buying spree will for the next month incite a diet and make him hold the landlord off like Mingus with his rifle. Bring it on mutha... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:01:05 +1100 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Mimaroglu and friends On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 flamerik@best.ms.philips.com wrote: > After these encouraging words, can you recommend any work by Mimaroglu? Err: found some Mimaroglu onna old tape (off of that same LP I was asking about, "Sing Me A Song Of Songmy", as it happens). 'The Tomb of Edgar Allan Poe'; think this also made it to the "Electronic Music III" compilation on Turnabout. Its a great, wigged-out but sombre, destruction of some guy reading Mallarme's poem of the same name. Not so crazy about the intrusion of words which are actually recognizable as such towards the end, but this guy's play with sound is jaw-droppingly inventive. The other piece is 'Preludes For Electronic Tape': not quite so astonishing, but still plenty great. There's some actual instruments happening on this one: so maybe this is where Freddie Hubbard fits on. (Some guitar too: is that you, Sonny?) Another great Mimaroglu - best of the few I've heard - is 'Agony'. I've just located a copy of this at a local library: can dub copies, if anyone wants to go thru' that little drama. > I've also been listening to a bit of Luigi Nono ("Como Una Ola De Fuerza Y Luz") > and Giacinto Scelsi ("Quattro Piezze Per Orchestre"). So if anyone has any > recommendations in that area, I'd appreciate it. > Someone whose opinion I respect just gave me his highest possible endorsement for Scelsi. So, yeah: more info, please... > Plus, does anyone know anything about Maderna, Berioz, Dutellieux, Mumma,...? > Oh, and what about Tod Dockstader? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:09:03 -0600 (CST) From: Saidel Eric J Subject: Re: The Odyssey Band > > I picked up _Reunion_ by this group (James Blood Ulmer, Charlie > Burnham, Warren Benbrow) on Knitting Factory Records today. The liner > notes, written by Steve Dalachinsky in that kinda charming, kinda annoying > Ralph-Gleason-on-acid style popular in the early 70's, state ". . . > this band, some 15 years and 3 recordings later has come full circle." > What has this trio recorded other than Ulmer's _Odyssey_ and the new one? > > Chris Hamilton > The only one I know of off the top of my head is _Part-Time_. I have it on Rough Trade, but I've seen it around on other labels. _Part- Time_ is basically Odyssey Live. Well worth picking up if you can find it. Benbow has played in other trios with Ulmer (and I think he's been playing with him a fair amount in recent years, although others on the list would know better than I do about this). Burham, also played with Ulmer on other albums (I think; I'm basing this on my remembered familiarity with him when _Odyssey- came out, but this was so long ago I wouldn't bet much on it). Oh wait. Here they are again. _Live at the Caravan of Dreams_ features the trio augmented by Amin Ali on bass (that's Rashied's son, fwiw). A couple of the tunes are on all three albums - "Little Red House" and "Are You Glad to be in America?". I would get _Part-Time_ before this one. Burham, also fwiw, went on to record with String Trio of NY. So, what's this new one like? I must admit, just the idea of it has me salivating. I'm just afraid it's like the watered down Ulmer I've been hearing of late (with the exception of his Ornette disc). - - eric - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:34:48 +1100 From: Rohan James Parkes Subject: RE: Naked city Mark Ducret appeared over here early last year with Bobby Previte's = Latin for Travellers. Previte described him as his "favourite musician = on the planet", as I recall. Apart from his performance, Ducret was = amazing for a number of reasons: firstly, because he played electric = guitar in bare feet, (which is definitely not recommended, given the = number of electrocutions that occur each year), and secondly because of = his Guitar Hero persona on stage, which is sort of ironic, given the = kind of non-standard sounds that emanate from his guitar. on the other = hand, Jerome Harris struck me as even more amazing, as he is the most = undemonstrative guitarist I have ever seen, but could effortlessly cover = all the weird stuff. You can here the results of the tour on the recently released "My Man in = Sydney" (Enja). Cheers, Rohan Parkes Jazz Coordinator 3-PBS FM Melbourne Australia http://www.vicnet.net.au/~pbsfm/jazz/default.html - -----Original Message----- From: Dechenaux Emmanuel [SMTP:edechena@thomas.butler.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 15, 1998 3:24 PM To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Naked city You're all going to kill me but I just got "Naked city". I just heard it for the first time in my life, and so far I must say that it was great. I'm a big fan of Masada. I know the people that surround Zorn better = than him actually. I am dedicated to Bill Frisell. Does anybody know what = Marc Ribot is doing these last times ? You guys should try the last Marc = Ducret "Details". This record is one of the greatest of all times... Ducret sounds kinda like Frisell on Big Satan. have you heard of that ? See ya M_base - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:42:31 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: ESP kaput? Not to worry: as someone else has noted, the ESP catalog has been purchased in its entirety by Smithsonian Folkways. They do plan to reissue it, with attention paid to sound and packaging details this time around. Hopefully they'll also pair things creatively - I definitely fall into the camp of longer playing time rather than fetishistic reproduction of original LPs on disc, unless I'm going to be getting that 30 minute CD dirt cheap. Speaking of which, I've been told by several who've bought them that the Get Back LP pressings are cheap crap knockoffs at jacked-up prices. One of the Aylers, in fact, is said to duplicate the sound of skips on the CD from which it was evidently mastered. Talk about your ultimate reversal of sources... Don't panic, and don't rush out to buy the vinyl unless you really want it. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:49:43 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: The Odyssey Band Christopher Hamilton wrote: > What has this trio recorded other than Ulmer's _Odyssey_ and the new one? Nothing at all. But as a quartet with Amin Ali added on bass they recorded "Live at the Caravan of Dreams," released in 1986 on the Caravan of Dreams label. Currently residing in the "where the hell do I find THAT?" file. I imagine that was the third disc to which Dalachinsky was referring. And while the Odyssey Trio was fine with the extra bass end added, it wasn't a critical departure from "Odyssey," which is still one of the truly necessary jazz-type releases of the 1980s. How does the new one rate? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #261 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.