From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #303 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, April 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 303 In this issue: - [none] RE: Everyone's Top 20 lists Cut Outs Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #301 Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #301 Re: Sainkho RE: Everyone's Top 20 lists Re: 6 disappointments 6 Re: 6 disappointments 6 Nels Cline Q... Perfect album? Disappointment/Frisell Re: Victoriaville festival Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #301 Re: Ken Nordine Re: Sainkho Re: Sainkho Re: Rzewski ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:42:48 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Caulfield Bivins Subject: [none] Sorry to be coming in at the tail end of this tide, but I can't resist a good list. Here are my 20, in random order: Miles Davis, "In a Silent Way" Tom Waits, "Frank's Wild Years" John Coltrane, "Live at Birdland" James Brown, "Live at the Apollo 1967" Charles Gayle, "Touchin' On Trane" King Crimson, "Red" Sam Rivers, "Dimensions and Extensions" Charles Mingus, "Presents Charles Mingus" Joe McPhee, "Oleo and a Future Retrospective" Ornette Coleman, "Beauty is a Rare Thing" Hans Reichel, "The Death of the Rare Bird Ymir/Bonobo Beach" Nels Cline, "Chest" Oliver Lake, "Zaki" Anthony Braxton, "Willisau (1991) Quartet" Jimi Hendrix, "Band of Gypsys" Tony Williams Lifetime, "Emergency" Mahavishnu Orchestra, "Inner Mounting Flame" Funkadelic, "Let's Take it to the Stage" Bobby Previte, "Too Close to the Pole" Bill Frisell, "Where in the World?" Much overlap with other lists. And like so many others, there are a lot of artists who take up considerable space on the shelves (Taylor, Zorn, etc.) who don't make it here. I've enjoyed reading everyone's lists, especially curveballs like Yes or Portishead -- isn't this sort of eclecticism what draws us all to Mr. Z? At any rate, let me weigh in a bit earlier with the live stuff (albeit fewer than 20). Max Roach solo in Tompkins Square Park 1996 Kronos Quartet at Oberlin College 1989 Bloodcount in Chicago 1997 Fugazi at St. Stephen's Church, D.C. 1991 Sonny Sharrock at 9:30 Club, D.C. 1992 Steve Lacy at Unity Temple, Oak Park 1997 Bill Frisell at Wolftrap, Virginia 1992 Evan Parker at the Vortex, London 1996 What fun! Jason Bivins - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:25:57 -0500 From: Brandt Gebhardt Subject: RE: Everyone's Top 20 lists I have seen the term "math rock" applied to only two bands: Honor Role = and Slint. Album on Merge compiles two Honor Role LPs and three 7"s. = Slint has two LPs, Tweez and Spiderland, and a two song untitled EP on = Touch and Go. I consider Slint the better of the two bands and = Spiderland their best work. While an endorsement claimed that Honor = Role is the band responsible for "math rock," I would suggest that = Squirrel Bait is the great "proto-math-rock" combo. Their two = recordings have been re-released by Dexter's Cigar. After Squirrel = Bait, Brian McMahan became Slint's vocalist/guitarist, and David Grubbs = and Clark Johnson formed Bastro with John McEntire. The only Bastro = album I have is Diablo Guapo on Homestead, but I consider it to be in = the "math-rock" genre. Judging from their Pravda release Not a Food, = Cheer-Accident is a band that shares Don Caballero's proclivity for = rhythmic complexity and vocal economy. Finally, I would recommend = Dazzling Killmen, described as "prog-rock hardcore," and Yona-Kit, = featuring K.K. Null and Jim O'Rourke. Both bands have releases on Skin = Graft. Brandt Gebhardt Gebhardt.2@osu.edu - ---------- From: Dgasque [SMTP:Dgasque@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 04, 1998 4:10 AM To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Everyone's Top 20 lists I also want to say thanks for all of the lists sent here for everyone to = enjoy (well, almost everybody...) I went out and bought Don Cabellero 2, as it was on a bunch of lists. = It's a great one, I must say. Anyone care to share more CDs in this "math = rock" genre that DC have been cast into? Faith No More is also on the "to buy" list... =3Ddgasque=3D - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:39:21 EST From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh) Subject: Cut Outs theres a cutout house located in New Jersey called Scorpio Music. I think their email address is: scorpiomus@aol.com the last catalog i got from them had some good stuff in it....Miles, Laswell, Zappa, etc etc......the minimum order is $100. G. Gersh _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:04:19 EST From: FUNKADELlC Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #301 In a message dated 98-04-04 09:40:12 EST, you write: << Speaking of Waits, I noticed that probably the two albums of his that came up the most were "Raindogs" and "Bone Machine". >> Raindogs was his first outing in his so called "expiramental" period.. you see.. for the majority of the 70's and early 80's Tom had a real "im a drunk jazzy, beat generation guy" image and he really stuck to that.. until raindogs.. i guess i can describe it as dark sounding with weird precussion. alot of it reminds me of old italian or french film music in a way... Bone Machine seems like its just an extension of that... but newer.. Personally my favorite Waits releases are his follow ups to Rain Dogs, SWORDFISHTROMBONE and the beautiful soundtrack to his play FRANK'S WILD YEARS... just my .02 - -cory sklar - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:47:39 -0600 From: fate@telepath.com (Jon Mooneyham) Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #301 >In a message dated 98-04-04 09:40:12 EST, you write: > >Raindogs was his first outing in his so called "expiramental" period.. > >Personally my >favorite Waits releases are his follow ups to Rain Dogs, SWORDFISHTROMBONE and >the beautiful soundtrack to his play FRANK'S WILD YEARS... just my .02 >-cory sklar > Swordfishtrombones was the first in Waits' then-new more whacked approach, not Raindogs... Jon M. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:59:10 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Sainkho There's one on Leo with the Moscow Composers Orchestra, and I think yet another with an orchestra on that label. Check Leo's Web site: http://www.atlas.co.uk/leorecords/ Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Tom Pratt wrote: > I have recently been digging Sainkho Namchylak's music and was wondering > what else is out there I don't know about. I have her duo with Evan > Parker on Victo, a disc w/MCO called 'Let Permesky Dream' and her FMP > solo disc. I know of 'Letters' on Leo, another MCO, a duo w/Rothenberg > and a disc with Werner Ludi, Butch Morris & Peter Kowald. What else is > out there????? > > -Tom Pratt > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:20:44 -0800 (PST) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: RE: Everyone's Top 20 lists On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Brandt Gebhardt wrote: > I have seen the term "math rock" applied to only two bands: Honor > Role and Slint. Album on Merge compiles two Honor Role LPs and three strange! Atavistic released compilation of "math rock" music last year and it included bands like Quintron, Scissor Girls, Math and other related artists, mostly from Chicago and often associated with the Bulb label. i was always under the impression that this kind of second wave of "no wave" music was math rock. if Honor Role started the term, how did it come about? what's the meaning? what's the determining characteristics of math rock? hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:29:39 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: 6 disappointments 6 > By the way, John Hudson sucks > > Why? > 1- He plays all the tracks in the same way the old guitarrists did (Dean > Menta couldn't do that) > 2- He co-wrote many of the new songs (Jim Martin couldn't do so) > 3- He tours (Trey didn't) If you need to go through a checklist to tell you whether someone's good or not, you're probably not understanding me. I don't like his playing, okay? (Can I get any clearer than this?) I agree that Stripsearch is a great song, but they needed a whole album full of songs that good. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:02:09 -0300 From: Lucio Subject: Re: 6 disappointments 6 By the way, John Hudson sucks If you need to go through a checklist to tell you whether someone's good or not, you're probably not understanding me. I don't like his playing, okay? (Can I get any clearer than this?) I agree that Stripsearch is a great song, but they needed a whole album full of songs that good. Let's give an end to this because we'll never agree in this point. Although "Album of the Year" is far from being my favourite FNM album I think there are some great tracks in it (Helpless, Last Cup of Sorrow, She Loves Me Not, Stripsearch and Ashes to Ashes). In my first mail I said that if any of you had some good arguments you might convince me to give KFAD another listen. That's why I couldn't accept just a "John Hudson sucks" as an answer. But that's it, let's finish with this (I even like Trey's stuff a lot, specially his work with Mr.Bungle and Secret Chiefs 3- I just didn't like him for FNM) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:11:14 EST From: Dgasque Subject: Nels Cline Q... I was listening to Gogaga Internet Radio a few months ago and heard a Nels Cline cut that was more musique concrete-sounding than his usual jazz/rock/noise ventures. Anyone know what CD this might have been from? =dagsque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:13:38 -0500 From: Uncle Meat Subject: Perfect album? Now that we know what everybody would bring on a desert island, maybe it would be great to ask ourselves if such a thing as a perfect album exists. I don't know about you, but i don't see anything coming even close in my own collection (i've got around 1100 of them). ... well maybe Zappa's L=E4ther Uncle Meat This idea was nice: What are you listening to right now? When i started this letter.....Off Minor (Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane) Now.....I've go my mojo working (The Zombies) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:22:46 +0100 From: Dan Given Subject: Disappointment/Frisell >"Keith McMullen" wrote >Subject: Re: Top 20 disappointments >>[Artur Nowak] Hmmm... I love Frisell's solo work, especially Nonesuch >>records. Please explain: What did you heard before Frisell's solo albums, >>that made your expectations higher, then his solo works? Naked City? What >>is better, than albums published under his own name? Bill Frisell Band? >I can't explain it. Character defect perhaps (mine). Perhaps seeing him live >was what really killed the recordings for me. I saw him in Santa Monica on >the BEFORE WE WERE BORN tour and it remains tied for first with the >absolutely GREATEST performances I have ever heard. I'm a HUGE Frisell fan. >I just don't like his own recordings. It doesn't make any sense. I've traded >in every Frisell CD I've ever purchased. I do love him with Berne >('Theoretically' and 'Fulton St. Maul') and Zorn and Bryars and Motian and >that clarinetist whose name I'm blocking right now.................... >Just ignore me. Keith, just so you know you are not alone, I too really dislike Frisell's albums. Dumped every one of them I have bought. I to like his work with Naked City, the Paul Motian trio stuff, and I assume the clarinetist thing you mention above is his playing on Don Byron's Tuskegee Experiments, which is a great album. I don't like Theoretically though. The only Berne album I've traded in. Sounded to me like new age twaddle (I'm gonna get flamed.) There's something about Frisell's choice of material and combined with style that just bore me to death. His album with the John Hiatt song, the Madonna one, etc was, to my ears, bad elevator music. The only one I regret not keeping, just so I could give it another chance, is an early Nonesuch album, with a long track arranged by Zorn, can't remember the name of the album. I think I have managed to put his own album into some back part of my memory, where I try to keep them hidden so it doesn't sour my opinion of his other work. Dan - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:03:58 -0500 From: Uncle Meat Subject: Re: Victoriaville festival Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:24:23 -0500 Dora Agiotis wrote: > > > > Is anyone going to the Victoriaville Festival in Montreal, Canada > this May? > > John Zorn is playing a couple of shows, as well as Mike Patton, Ikue > Mori and > > others. > > I do. After ten years on using flaky excuses, I decided to take the > jump (it > is also true that the program is hard to beat). > > Patrice. > > -I do too. Just like M. Rousell, this will be my first attendance at > this festival. For me it's not really a big problem to get there: i > live just an hour an a half from there. It's on this list that > someone made me realize that the ticket were in sale. The next > morning, i bought the tickets for four shows (wich gives you a 15% > discount). I'll ge going to see: - -John Zorn - Modern Chamber Music-Rene Lussier - Solo - -Mike Patton - New works for ensemble & voyeur - -Ikue Mori-Mike Patton-John Zorn (a show that i first saw on the knit's real player cam, because i don't have the chance like some of you to live in New-York) I some of you are going to the festival, maybe it would be great to meet those with whom we spend some time every day. Uncle Meat - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 18:06:47 -0800 From: Rob DeNunzio Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #301 Personally my >favorite Waits releases are his follow ups to Rain Dogs, SWORDFISHTROMBONE and >the beautiful soundtrack to his play FRANK'S WILD YEARS... just my .02 >-cory sklar > I can't belive I omitted Swordfistrombone. I think I also may have misattributed some songs off it to Rain Dogs since I didn't have the discs nearby. Those two albums have always seemed completely linked together for me - I could never listen to one without following it up with the other. I hope I didn't create any confusion. Rob DeNunzio Hi-Fi Mundo http://www.teleport.com/~hifim - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 18:11:13 -0800 From: Rob DeNunzio Subject: Re: Ken Nordine At 11:00 AM 4/4/98 -0800, Todd Bramy wrote: >>Here's my 20 albums, no specific order.. >> >>11. Ken Nordine - The Best of Word Jazz Volume 1 (if anyone knows anything >>about this guy, besides his other album, Colors, or his radio show, please >>tell me) > >I LOVE this guy. I discovered him nestled in my Grandfather's record >collection several years ago and while I have meant to buy some of his >other recordings, all I have is a tape of that record. It's called "How Are >Things In Your Town" 1960 Blue Thumb Records 2 LP set. > >The only other instances of him I have are on two Hal Wilner >compilation/tribute projects: "Stay Awake" - the Disney Tribute; and >"Closed on Account of Rabies" - the Edgar Allen Poe Tribute. > >Now I have a question: radio show? > >Todd > At 11:00 AM 4/4/98 -0800, you wrote: >>Here's my 20 albums, no specific order.. >> >>11. Ken Nordine - The Best of Word Jazz Volume 1 (if anyone knows anything >>about this guy, besides his other album, Colors, or his radio show, please >>tell me) > >I LOVE this guy. I discovered him nestled in my Grandfather's record >collection several years ago and while I have meant to buy some of his >other recordings, all I have is a tape of that record. It's called "How Are >Things In Your Town" 1960 Blue Thumb Records 2 LP set. > >The only other instances of him I have are on two Hal Wilner >compilation/tribute projects: "Stay Awake" - the Disney Tribute; and >"Closed on Account of Rabies" - the Edgar Allen Poe Tribute. > >Now I have a question: radio show? > >Todd > The only Ken Nordine I've heard is off the Beat Generation box set - what're people's thoughts on his different recordings? Any distinctly good collections? Rob DeNunzio Hi-Fi Mundo http://www.teleport.com/~hifim - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 11:05:38 +0800 From: Jan-Wen Lu Subject: Re: Sainkho > I have recently been digging Sainkho Namchylak's music and was > wondering > what else is out there I don't know about. I have her duo with Evan > Parker on Victo, a disc w/MCO called 'Let Permesky Dream' and her FMP > solo disc. I know of 'Letters' on Leo, another MCO, a duo w/Rothenberg > > and a disc with Werner Ludi, Butch Morris & Peter Kowald. What else is > > out there????? > > -Tom Pratt > Sainkho is a truly amazing voclaist. Please check the following web site for her items: http://www.avantart.com/music/sainkho/sainkhom.html/ I believe there are more items that she joins as guest. Jan-Wen Lu - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 22:10:13 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Sainkho At 01:22 PM 4/4/98 -0500, Tom Pratt wrote: >I have recently been digging Sainkho Namchylak's music and was wondering >what else is out there I don't know about. I have her duo with Evan >Parker on Victo, a disc w/MCO called 'Let Permesky Dream' and her FMP >solo disc. I know of 'Letters' on Leo, another MCO, a duo w/Rothenberg >and a disc with Werner Ludi, Butch Morris & Peter Kowald. What else is >out there????? I've got an album by her on Crammed, Out of Tuva, which is a compilation of her work from traditional folk songs recorded starting in 1986 in Tuva, through her more pop-oriented work with Hector Zazou and Vincent Kenis in Europe in 1993. A fair amount of variety, but all much more straight and traditional than anything I imagine in the list you describe (none of which I've heard). - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 00:01:50 -0500 From: stephen drury Subject: Re: Rzewski >Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:27:37 -0500 >From: Brian Olewnick >Subject: Rzewski Birthday Concert > >In celebration of Rzewski's 60th birthday, the Kitchen (NYC) is hosting >three concerts devoted to his music April 16-18. Among the performers >will be Anthony de Mere, Aki Takahashi and our own Steven Drury. > >Mr. Drury, would you be kind enough to let us in on the specific >programs for these three days? > Yo! only problem is, I only know that I'm playing on April 17, "The People United" variations. I believe Tony DeMare is also playing that day, the "Piano Piece #4" with monster repeated notes. Does the Kitchen have a web site? - -- steve - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #303 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.