From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #325 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, April 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 325 In this issue: - Re: stockhausen Re: stockhausen Re: Shostakovitch soundtracks... Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician... Re: stockhausen Re: Stockhausen conversion in progress Re: stockhausen THE LOUNGE LIZARDS Re: conversion in progress Re: stockhausen Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician... Re: stockhausen Re: stockhausen Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician... Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician... Re: Tom Cora R.I.P. Info wanted Zorn & Albert Collins Re: Stockhausen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 00:37:50 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: stockhausen stephen drury wrote: > Unfortunately, most of Stockhausen's music is not readily available on CD. > A lot of the old recordings are now property of Karlheinz himself, and his > reissues, while gorgeously done, are expensive -- and you have to buy them > from the man himself, unless you go to a certain clothing/CD store in Koln > which carries them. For what its worth, Other Music in NYC (4th and Lafayette, across from Tower) has what appears to be them in stock. Oy, are they expensive... - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:19:44 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: stockhausen stephen drury wrote: > A lot of the old recordings are now property of Karlheinz himself, and his > reissues, while gorgeously done, are expensive -- and you have to buy them > from the man himself, unless you go to a certain clothing/CD store in Koln > which carries them. Other Music in New York carries most of them, too. One of the three owners of the store is a huge fan who does his best to push the stuff. Buy Stephen's upcoming Avant record anyway. One more Stockhausen recording I'll recommend is one that was available on Music & Arts in 1990 -- it may or may not be in print now. The disc pairs Bartok's Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion and Stockhausen's Kontakte for electronic sounds, piano and percussion. The Bartok appears first on the disc, so if you're going to turn it up, look there. The only name I recognize is that of the incredibly amazing percussionist Stephen Schick, while the pianists are John Simms and James Avery and the second percussionist is Thomas Davis. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:23:52 -0400 From: "Chris Barrett" Subject: Re: Shostakovitch soundtracks... >S.Prokofiev: > >Alexander Nevsky >Prokofiev worked very closely with Eisenstein - sometimes the film was even >edited to the music. As far as I know, Prokofiev refused to compose any more >film music after Eisenstein's death. A.N. is a great film, and widely >available. Prokofiev re-arranged the score for a larger orchestra for live >performance, which is what you hear on most recordings. The reason he used a >smaller group originally had to do with technical difficulties in recording >(they could't fit a bigger group in the room!) > I believe they remastered and did some othe work to the soundtrack to Nevsky last year or the year before. I remember renting it again to hear the newly improved audio and it sounded great (if I can remember correctly, I think the music almost overwhelmed the film -- of course, nothing could ever completely overwhelm the battle on the ice scene). I never purchased it, but I know that at the same time they re-released the soundtrack on CD (I don't remember what label though). - -Chris - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:27:19 -0400 From: "Chris Barrett" Subject: Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician... >Like: is that clear enough for you, dopey? I think this is a little uncalled for... - -Chris - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:47:37 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: stockhausen >>>>> "Chris" == Christopher Hamilton writes: Chris> So how would those of us outside of Koln do this? Can Chris> anyone provide a contact address, pricing info, that sort Chris> of thing? The Electronic Music Foundation carries most of them, www.cdemusic.org. The original Mantra with the Kontarskys goes for $39; Hymnen, including a version with orchestra which has not, AFAIK, been released otherwise, on 4 cds, goes for a whopping $149 (not a typo, $149). This is not EMF ripping us off, either, as the prices are comparable to the ones on KS's home page. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:55:08 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Stockhausen >>>>> "Jesse" == Jesse Simon writes: Jesse> Is Michael the same as Licht? I remember a few years ago Jesse> Deutsche Grammophon had these two Stockhausen box sets in Jesse> their opera section (four discs each). One was called Jesse> _Samstag aus Licht_ and the other was _Donnerstag aus Jesse> Licht_. I always interpreted this to be a seven part opera Jesse> called Licht of which only two parts were available / Jesse> written (the ones corresponding to Sunday and Thursday). I Jesse> can't imagine any human being creating two seven day Jesse> operatic extravaganzas (even one seems a little far Jesse> fetched), so I'm interested to know if there is any Jesse> connection Mea culpa. Licht is indeed the name of the opera. I was thinking of Michaels Reise, an excerpt for soloists available on ECM. Jesse> The albums, by the way, were deleted from the catalogue and Jesse> there is no evidence that they ever existed. At the moment I'm separated from my vinyl, but I remember at least one CD of material from the opera released on DGG, maybe a couple scenes from Donnerstag. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:54:45 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: conversion in progress I'm shaking my head in disbelief, so I thought I'd share the moment. One of my colleagues on the office's shared stereo is a big prog-rock fan, with nearly complete collections of Yes, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, all of which are regular visitors on the above mentioned stereo. Last week, he completed his collection of Ground Zero with the purchase of Standards, the Opera, and the remixes, and with his package came a Tzadik catalogue. He looked at it for a while, then asked me if I had any of these Radical Jewish series albums (I don't think he's Jewish, either). I brought in all the ones I had today, including Kristallnacht (which should have been there if it hadn't been a reissue), and he has played one of the Bar Kokhba CDs (not as radical as he'd hoped), and now he's playing Kristallnacht. Frankly I'm stunned. Everyone else in the office wants to string me up. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:32:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: stockhausen On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, Julian wrote: > Surely there's a lot of second hand lps floating around though... i occassionally see stockhausen vinyl or used copies of the deutsche gramophon cds, when you do see them they are usually prohibitively expensive. in fact, i've seen the deutsche gramophon version of _hymnen_ go for $120 @ other music. i once saw a sealed copy for $60 here in d.c. and i guess i should've snagged it. the cds i have which are relatively easy to find are: _mantra_ (new albion) - this is a piece for piano and electronics (ring modulator, i think). quite good and recommended as a good first-stockhausen-purchase by a friend of mine, who wrote his senior thesis on stockhausen. _kontakte_ (wergo) - this is the original recorded version for tape, piano (david tudor) and percussion. it is an electronic marvel and definitely worth picking out - forced exposure has this and _klavierstucke_ on their website. the title relates to the contact of electronic and acoustic sounds. i also have the version on ecstatic peace with william winant and it is definitely cool too, but i like the wergo version better. _aus den sieben tagen_ (harmonia mundi) - this is "intuitive" era stockhausen, employing aleatory exercises much like cage. k.s. wrote up a series of texts and then had musicians improvise based on what they read from the text-score. this recording is from 1969 and it also features stockhausen in the engineer's booth tweaking poteniometers for an electro-acoustic sound. very reminiscent of what amm were doing with cardew just a year or two prior. hope this helps, b - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 11:35:14 -0300 From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: THE LOUNGE LIZARDS Is there anybody out there who knows the entire LOUNGE LIZARDS discography (including labels)? Any special cd to recommend? Thanks, - -Hugo - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 10:16:11 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re: conversion in progress > he has played one of the Bar Kokhba CDs (not as radical as he'd >hoped), and now he's playing Kristallnacht. >Frankly I'm stunned. Everyone else in the office wants to string me up. >--- ...hope you have the barf bags ready when the glass-shattering sequence comes on... It's often only a matter of getting someone to sit down and actually _listen_ to something, though I've found there's more success when that person happens upon it serendipitously. This past fall, my brother-in-law, whose musical taste was firmly in the quasi-emotive-folk realm (James Taylor, CSN&Y) wandered into a record store and encountered an in-progress show by Ken Vandermark and group. He was floored and is now eagerly gobbling up all sorts of unusual music. Of course, my sister is holding this against _me_! Brian Olewnick Listening to: Bailey/Holland. When, oh when, will ECM see fit to release this on disc? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:16:43 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: stockhausen On Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:47:37 -0400 Caleb Deupree wrote: > > >>>>> "Chris" == Christopher Hamilton writes: > > Chris> So how would those of us outside of Koln do this? Can > Chris> anyone provide a contact address, pricing info, that sort > Chris> of thing? > > The Electronic Music Foundation carries most of them, > www.cdemusic.org. The original Mantra with the Kontarskys goes for > $39; Hymnen, including a version with orchestra which has not, AFAIK, ^^^ Great news!!! Which seems to indicate that many of the records on Verlag could be the exact same versions as the DGG ones. Can somebody confirm? I am specially interested in TELEMUSIK, MIKROPHONIE. > been released otherwise, on 4 cds, goes for a whopping $149 (not a > typo, $149). This is not EMF ripping us off, either, as the prices ^^^^ Wow!!! And I just saw the Steve Reich box at Tower for only $97... Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:37:46 -0800 From: George Grella Subject: Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician... James Douglas Knox writes: > Have you actually read his book? If so, you'd "know" that his initial > attraction to jazz was that it was an expression of Afro-american > culture; and as such, a negation of the Amerikkka's dominant > WASP culture... > > Like: is that clear enough for you, dopey? Mezzrow may have devoted much > of his life to music, but this choice and the specific choice of the kind > of music he played was informed by a social context: the experience of a > white, jewish, middle-class male in a society that still had (and has?) a > large measure of tacit (and maybe more?) racism towards such a person... > > Do I need to make this any clearer for you? > Yeah, I have actually read this book, rhetoric-breath. And I know it's a lot more fun than your hind-sightful, ideological attitude about it. I "know" that his attraction to jazz had a lot to do with the music itself, not some sort of guilty, social protest, like, might come from some self-lacerating WASP, like, say, yourself? And then Mezz was a jazz musician, which he spends a lot of time as in the book. While it's clear to me that his race role, his "social context," is important to you, I just find pleasure in the actual music itself, which is my concern and, fortunately, to a great extent Mezz's as well. He played jazz, not some WASP music yearning to be free. gg - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:39:26 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: stockhausen >>>>> "Patrice" == Patrice L Roussel writes: Patrice> Great news!!! Which seems to indicate that many of the Patrice> records on Verlag could be the exact same versions as the Patrice> DGG ones. Can somebody confirm? I am specially Patrice> interested in TELEMUSIK, MIKROPHONIE. My old Mikrophonie was on CBS, not DGG, but the personnel listing at http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/2047/kscds.html makes me think these are the same recordings, not new ones. And Telemusik is a tape piece, not likely that he would have redone it. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:46:04 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: stockhausen On Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:39:26 -0400 Caleb Deupree wrote: > > >>>>> "Patrice" == Patrice L Roussel writes: > > Patrice> Great news!!! Which seems to indicate that many of the > Patrice> records on Verlag could be the exact same versions as the > Patrice> DGG ones. Can somebody confirm? I am specially > Patrice> interested in TELEMUSIK, MIKROPHONIE. > > My old Mikrophonie was on CBS, not DGG, but the personnel listing at ^^^ Mea Culpa. Wonder how this one ended up there... > http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/2047/kscds.html makes me think these > are the same recordings, not new ones. And Telemusik is a tape piece, > not likely that he would have redone it. Anybody bought STUDIES I & II? For many years, it used to be *THE* record I was dreaming to find in a bin. I never listened to it and I was wondering how does it sound? Any opinions? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:49:48 -0800 From: George Grella Subject: Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician... Chris Barrett wrties: > >Like: is that clear enough for you, dopey? > > I think this is a little uncalled for... > > -Chris > James is just showing us all how worldly he is. gg - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:58:47 -0800 From: George Grella Subject: Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Douglas Knox writes: > Have you actually read his book? If so, you'd "know" that his initial > attraction to jazz was that it was an expression of Afro-american > culture; and as such, a negation of the Amerikkka's dominant > WASP culture... > > Like: is that clear enough for you, dopey? Mezzrow may have devoted much > of his life to music, but this choice and the specific choice of the kind > of music he played was informed by a social context: the experience of a > white, jewish, middle-class male in a society that still had (and has?) a > large measure of tacit (and maybe more?) racism towards such a person... > > Do I need to make this any clearer for you? > Yeah, I have actually read this book, rhetoric-breath. And I know it's a lot more fun than your hind-sightful, ideological attitude about it. I "know" that his attraction to jazz had a lot to do with the music itself, not some sort of guilty, social protest, like, might come from some self-lacerating WASP, like, say, yourself? And then Mezz was a jazz musician, which he spends a lot of time as in the book. While it's clear to me that his race role, his "social context," is important to you, I just find pleasure in the actual music itself, which is my concern and, fortunately, to a great extent Mezz's as well. He played jazz, not some WASP music yearning to be free. gg - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:16:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: Tom Cora R.I.P. On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Christopher Hamilton wrote: > Agreed on all counts. I met him once, and he was a hell of a nice guy, > even after a long drive in a blizzard. i saw the arcado string trio (eyving kang, mark dresser, hank roberts) this saturday @ the library of congress and mark dresser dedicated the show to tom cora. b - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:19:33 -0500 From: magnum-jihad@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Info wanted Can anyone give me some idea of what the East Side Percussion disc on Avant is like? - -nathan _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:36:16 -0700 From: Greg Mills Subject: Zorn & Albert Collins Does anyone how the thingie with Albert Collins was produced? Was it Albert going off and the band chasing him, or was there some Zorn orchestration thrown in there? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:19:18 -0700 From: john shiurba Subject: Re: Stockhausen > At the moment I'm separated from my vinyl, but I remember at least one > CD of material from the opera released on DGG, maybe a couple scenes > from Donnerstag. > both 'donnerstag aus licht' and 'samstag aus licht'(4 cds)were released in their complete form (4 cds each) on CD by DG. they were also released later, along with 'montag' (5 cds) and 'dienstag' (2 cds) by stockhausen-verlag. alot of the internal material in the operas can be performed in 'concert versions' and some recordings of these have been made-- eg 'michael's riese' from donnerstag. - -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #325 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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