From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #354 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, May 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 354 In this issue: - Re: Recent CDs - Ground Zero more on the Avant CDs for sale information concerning elliot sharp Re: clusone trio Re: clusone trio Sign at Knitting Factory Re: Zorn-related news from new ICE column Clusone tour Re: Clusone tour ground zero plays standards --question Re: Ground Zero Plays Standards New look/1973 RE: Recent CDs - Ground Zero Re: Boulez THEE ALLMIGHTY Re: Roof Why Zorn Re:Ground Zero - Plays Standards Re: Ground Zero - Plays Standards James Bond Re: Why Zorn Re: James Bond Re: James Bond Re: James Bond ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:18:53 -0400 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: Recent CDs - Ground Zero Otomo is amazing. PLAYS STANDARDS is great and I'd also recommend Ground Zero's Tzadik release. He's going to be in town for a few gigs here in NYC this week. May 8th at the Cooler May 9th at Fakeshop May 10th at the Knitting Factory (Alterknit) Check out this site for more details: http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/yotomo/yotomo.html BTW, someone didn't care for the Plunderphonic book (Jones) but I thought I was much more substantial and well-written than Extended Play (I thought the subject matter was more interesting than a lot of the writing itself). Jason - -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:34:41 -0400 (EDT) From: coca_cola@iname.com Subject: more on the Avant CDs for sale http://www.acns.nwu.edu/wnur/jazz/artists/zorn.john/discog.html#avant_catalog 03 - RADIO: Naked City (1993 - Avant, Avant 003 (CD)) 06 - DNA LAST LIVE AT CBGB: DNA (1993 - Avant, Avan 006 (CD)) 07 - BUCKETHEADLAND: Buckethead (1992, Avant, Avan 007 (2xCD)) 08 - ALLEGORICAL MISUNDERSTANDING: Fushitsusha (1993, Avant, Avan 008 (CD)) 10 - CYCLOTRON: Blind Idiot God (1992 - Avant, Avan 010 (CD)) 12 - NANA + VICTORIO: Peter Garland (1992 - Avant, Avan 012 (CD)) 13 - SHOCK CORRIDOR: David Shea (1992 - Avant, Avan 013 (CD)) 33 - SHREK: Marc Ribot (1994 - Avant, Avan 033 (CD)) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 16:57:46 +0200 From: Stefan Verstraeten Subject: information concerning elliot sharp Dear Zornheads, Someone on the list (also someone from Belgium, you know the country of Marc Dutroux and chocolate) asked for information concerning Elliot Sharp...... For those interested in elliot sharp: check out his official website: www.algonet.se/~repple/esharp/es.html It is possible to subscribe to a newsletter, but there seems to be no discussion list that deals with elliot sharp. A shame though, because the (recently released) album 'Timebomb (Live at the clocktower gallery)' contains an improvised song by elliot sharp and john zorn (about 10 min. and sheer beautiful noise) But I'm afraid that this album is not well-known. People seem to prefer albums like 'weird little boy' (i call it crap, others call it avant-art) instead of albums like this one... ELLIOT SHARP RULES.......................... (allmighty steve smith, please support this sentence with lots of information that you have.....) - -- Stefan Verstraeten Belgium (Europe) sverstraeten@ufsia.ac.be - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:58:37 -0500 From: Eric Saidel Subject: Re: clusone trio SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote: > the Clusone Trio will be playing > at Beanbenders 19 May. Anyone know anything about their tour? They're playing in Chicago on the 12th (I think); other than that I know nothing about their stops. I'll do whatever I can to see them. thanks, - - eric - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:16:44 EDT From: JonAbbey2 Subject: Re: clusone trio In a message dated 5/4/98 1:07:03 PM, saidel@usl.edu wrote: <> They're playing the Knitting Factory in NYC on May 13, and they're playing Victoriaville on May 15. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:31:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Hertzmann Subject: Sign at Knitting Factory On the door to the Main Space at the Knitting Factory on Sunday night, there was a note to the performers, asking for permission to broadcast the show on the web, noting all the benefits (spread the word, push the envelope of technology, or something like that), noting the AM radio-quality of the shows. Signed "MD". The Hasidic New Wave played a cover of "California Uber Alles," called "Giuliani Uber Alles." I wish that group would be more David Fiuczinsky and less Greg Wall. Aaron - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:18:43 From: Jesse Simon Subject: Re: Zorn-related news from new ICE column >Ruins: Symphonic Ruins (Tzadik) I shudder to think. The first thing that comes to mind is "The London Symphony Orchestra plays Pink Floyd", or other similarly bad ideas. I'm hoping this is something different. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:20:07 -0700 From: Kelley Kirkpatrick Subject: Clusone tour I received the following itinerary from Michael Moore last week, but I've heard a rumor that the Arcata date may have been canceled-- I'd check with venues before showing up! "the itinerary is as follows: 9 May/Pittsburgh, 10 Chicago, 11 Ann Arbor, 12/13 New York, 14 Boston, 15 Victoriaville, 16 Buffalo, 17 L.A./Jazz Bakery, 18 Santa Cruz/Kuumba, 19 Berkeley/Yoshi's, 20 Arcata!, 21 Seattle, 22 Vancouver; then we have to go to England." Kelley Kirkpatrick - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:30:08 EDT From: JonAbbey2 Subject: Re: Clusone tour In a message dated 5/4/98 2:15:15 PM, kirkpatric_k@mc.maricopa.edu wrote: <<"the itinerary is as follows: 9 May/Pittsburgh, 10 Chicago, 11 Ann Arbor, 12/13 New York,>> Anyone know where in NYC the concert on the 12th is? Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:38:22 PDT From: "Scott Handley" Subject: ground zero plays standards --question I don't have the disc in front of me, but track 9, with the double-thrash drums and Jan Garbarek soprano arcing over the top--who is the original composer(s)/performer(s), and what are they like, and are there interesting recording by them, and where can they be found? I love that track. Also, somebody please e.mail me offlist and remind me what Yoshihide/Bob Ostertag TWINS and Yoshihide/John Rose ??? are like (both on Creativeman, Japan). I seem to recall talk about these, several weeks back. Thanks everyone. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:58:41 EDT From: Tag Yr It Subject: Re: Ground Zero Plays Standards ...and since we're on this subject, could someone please email me the label and number of this CD? I've been trying to order it here in Cleveland, and no one seems to have a clue... Thanks, Dale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 19:54:35 -0400 From: Uncle Meat Subject: New look/1973 Tzadik has a brand new look ... but there is still no info on that collectors corner... By the way, did any of you get the "first recordings 1973" cd. Is it good? I think i've never seen anybody write about it (at least in the last 6 months) here. Uncle Meat - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 20:13:48 -0400 From: Uncle Meat Subject: RE: Recent CDs - Ground Zero Here is the complete info on Plays Standards GROUND ZERO PLAYS STANDARDS 1CD NANI NCD 201 Uncle Meat - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:25:05 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Boulez On Sat, 02 May 1998 08:11:41 -0800 George Grella wrote: > > Patrice L. Roussel writes: > > > I was just giving my perception of what happened in France. You > > know, what you learn and feel when things are happening in front of your > > eyes or from the mouth of other artists who were not moving in the alleys > > of power. I guess I should read more about how Boulez is interpreted > > these days, instead of trusting what I saw and heard when it was happe- > > ning. > > I know that Boulez has a personality that has rubbed a lot of people the > wrong way, but to complain about his character and/or personal > motivations is just to indulge in gossip. And attacking him because his ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And I guess seeing him as you see him is OK, right? I would like to know where you ended up getting such rosy picture of him? What magazines, books should I read to realize how fooled I was? Don't hesitate to enlight me. You seem to refuse the main point in my argument: Boulez was not just an artist making music or a conductor interpreting his/other's music (like Cage, Stockhausen, Xenakis, etc). He was in power, meaning controlling where the money goes and who should be played. His fascination for power has been the subject of puzzlement among his piers. I am really surprised that you never heard of it. Did I say that Boulez stopped composing in the '60s? No, I said worse than that: nothing really major after the '50s. Check around, you will only see polite comments (best case) on what he did after the '50s. For someone who was unanimously considered as the incarnation of the future of music in the '50s, I find that a little bit strange. You don't. That's fine. Financing art in France? Or you are naive, or you just refuse any negative comment on your man (and everybody will notice that my mail was not about Wynton Marsalis on r.m.b. :-). IRCAM ended up to gobble most of the credits allocated to research in music (like the Opera does with budget for classical music). Boulez' strong acceptance among the people in charge of financing the arts was instrumental in favoring some forms of contemporary music, and not others. I remember reading about Xenakis' bitterness at not being able to get any serious financement for his studio (when IRCAM was running full swing in creating the music of the future :-). I have not checked Georgie Born's book on IRCAM. I will. You don't seem to know anything about the intellectual atmosphere in France when Boulez was the darling of the French establishment. It is easy to dismiss all that as jealousy of "inferior" composers, or "gossipers" like me, and I am sure that in many cases this is true. You might blame the politicians who are looking for the "providential man" on whom they can download all their responsabilities. Boulez was such a man for music. When he was in control, there was not any room left for anybody else. I never doubted about the brightness of Boulez. As far as talent is concerned I have no doubt that LE MARTEAU SANS MAITRE will keep shining as one of The masterpieces of the post-WWII music. But that's all. Yes, I think he is a great conductor, but by saying that I just repeat what many people said (although I think his version of LES NOCES is boring -- but JEUX is superb). Anyway, I am happy to know that French culture still exports well. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 00:42:06 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: THEE ALLMIGHTY Stefan Verstraeten wrote: > ELLIOT SHARP RULES.......................... > (allmighty steve smith, please support this sentence with lots of > information that you have.....) YIKES! Now this is the scariest thing I've seen this year. Stefan, I'm flattered, but everybody around here knows that the almighty is actually Patrice Roussel, the man with more hours in his day than any of the rest of us. I'm a mere pretender next to him. Hell, Zorn walked past me on the street Saturday and he DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE ME. So what kind of almighty could *I* possibly be? ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) Besides, when it comes to E#, his website gives you the dish better than anyone else could. I'm a fan, but I'm months behind in getting through his output... I did notice that he's going to be at the Knit in June, after the Texaco fest, with a trio comprised of himself, Percy Jones and Marc Edwards. The mind reels. Only Elliott could draw a line between those two points. Best, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:21:22 +0200 From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" Subject: Re: Roof Sorry for the delayed answer, I had to resubscribe to the list for some reason. Yves DeWulf already alluded to a memorial concert in Belgium; I think there is another one at Vandoeuvre as indicated below. - -From: Tom Pratt Date: Friday, 1. Mai 1998 01:01 Subject: Roof >I just picked up Roof's THE UNTRACEABLE CIGAR and absolutely love it! >The group consists of the late Tom Cora (cello), Luc Ex (bass - I'm not >familiar with him), Phil Minton (vocals) and Michael Vatcher (drums - >was on Spy Vs. Spy right?) and they play composed music (with, granted, >plenty of improv within). Rock-tinged, super-compositions and playing as >could be expected from these guys. They do a rendition of Harry Partch's >"The Letter" and a couple tracks have Minton singing lyrics (in addition >to his standard wack shit). Super disc! I recommend it lots. Anyway, has >this group released anything else worthy of buying?? >- > > Date: Friday, 1. Mai 1998 16:10 Subject: Re: Roof THE UNTRACEABLE CIGAR is one of my favourite Tom Cora records. Roof was also a great live band, with which Tom made his last concert appearance in Lucerne on March 30. Roof also has one live track on a deleted sampler I still have to get hold of: 093 - COMPIL A ZOO: various artists 1996 - Zoorganization?? (??), ?? (CD) If anybody sees one, please get one for me to and/or forward the details of it... I think a follow-up to the first CD was planned but I don't know what the situation is now. A concert of a Tom Cora project (quoting by memory), featuring the three other Roof members, Catherine Jauniaux and Zeena Parkins is scheduled at the Vandoeuvre festival in Nancy (France) for Saturday, May 23. Stephane - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 05:29:39 PDT From: "Jeff Schuth" Subject: Why Zorn It just occured to me that mosto of the discussions that take place here, are either about recent CD purchases or favorite artists. While this is interesting, I was wondering why no one talks about the music itself. I guess I am just curious why everyone here is drawn to this sort of music. I'm not even sure myself. This music obviously cannot be listened or appreciated like anything you'll here on the top ten. So would anyone like to tell me exactly what to listen for in Zorn's music and how? Thank you ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:53:51 UT From: peter_risser@cinfin.com Subject: Re:Ground Zero - Plays Standards Does anyone know of a mail order or net-based distributer where I can order this title? I desperately want a copy, but here in the heartlands, we can't "just go to our local Tower records" as the closest store is probably eight hours away. If anyone could supply info, I'd be appreciative. Thanks, Peter now playing: Calexico - Black Light - Quarterstick Records - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:04:42 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Ground Zero - Plays Standards >>>>> "peter" == peter risser writes: peter> Does anyone know of a mail order or net-based distributer peter> where I can order this title? I desperately want a copy, peter> but here in the heartlands, we can't "just go to our local peter> Tower records" as the closest store is probably eight hours peter> away. peter> If anyone could supply info, I'd be appreciative. Thanks, peter> Peter Forced Exposure, www.forcedexposure.com. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:33:28 +0200 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: James Bond Strange, I never noticed this before: The James Bond Theme on the Naked City is credited as a John Barry composition, while it is a Monty Norman tune. (however John Barry wrote most of the other music of the Bond-movies) How could a film-freak like John Zorn make such a mistake ? YVes - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:51:36 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Why Zorn > itself. I guess I am just curious why everyone here is drawn to this > sort of music. I'm not even sure myself. This music obviously cannot > be listened or appreciated like anything you'll here on the top ten. I think you just hit the nail on the head. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:53:58 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: James Bond > Strange, I never noticed this before: > The James Bond Theme on the Naked City is credited as a > John Barry composition, while it is a Monty Norman tune. > (however John Barry wrote most of the other music of the Bond-movies) > How could a film-freak like John Zorn make such a mistake ? I've got a John Barry compilation CD and James Bond is on it. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:02:39 +0200 From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com Subject: Re: James Bond > > Strange, I never noticed this before: > > The James Bond Theme on the Naked City is credited as a > > John Barry composition, while it is a Monty Norman tune. > > (however John Barry wrote most of the other music of the Bond-movies) > > How could a film-freak like John Zorn make such a mistake ? > > I've got a John Barry compilation CD and James Bond is on it. Of course. If I were to put out a Barry compilation CD, I'd also include the James Bond theme, whether he has written it or not. It's the music he has become most closely associated with. But wasn't the original James Bond theme credited to both Norman and Barry? His best music for any Bond film remains Thunderball, in my opinion. Frankco. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:10:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: James Bond On Tue, 5 May 1998, Julian wrote: > I've got a John Barry compilation CD and James Bond is on it. This seems to be one of those ongoing questions. From http://italy.imdb.com/StudioBrief/1997/19971013.html#4 : COMPOSER BARRY CLAIMS HE WROTE 007 THEME John Barry, an Oscar-winning composer who scored most of the James Bond movies, is claiming that he, not Monty Norman, a London musician, composed the signature Bond theme. In a sworn statement submitted to the British rock magazine Mojo, Barry claims that originally Norman, who receives sole credit as the writer of the theme, was signed in 1962 to score the Bond films. "But they the producers had problems so I got brought in. I'd had two or three hits by then. I didn't care that Norman took the credit." The London Sunday Times said that Norman was unavailable for comment but added that associates of the musician "suspect that Barry simply wants more glory." - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #354 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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