From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #374 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, May 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 374 In this issue: - Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #373 Recent Sharp; was: recent goodies Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #373 Re: Penguin Guide Re: New Zornian Releases YO MILES! Re: Kronos in the Katmandu box Victoriaville Re: Victoriaville Re: _Plexure_ vs._ Records_ Tetreault/Victoriaville Re: Gary Lucas Radio Broadcast Martin Tetreault Re: Tetreault/Victoriaville Hemingway In SoCalifornia Re: All the rage. Re: Recent Sharp etc ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:28:51 -0400 From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #373 Ken Waxman wrote: As for Whitehead's book, I think it's well done, but whoever did the index should be shot. It's so limited and skimpy as to necessitate looking through the entire volume to find additional information. Hm... My copy came with an addendum to the index which is actually longer than the index in the book. Problem is, now i have to look up things twice! If I were you, I'd write to the publisher for the update. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 98 12:38:09 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Recent Sharp; was: recent goodies Caleb wrote: >Elliot Sharp, Spring & Neap (Zoar). Listmember Tom Pratt's been >raving about this one since the top 20 thread a while back, so I >decided to take the plunge into this tidal sensory overload. One >medium-short piece (35 min) of waves which start quietly enough, but >build into a most delightful chaos. Excellent recommendation, but it >would definitely be a candidate for the too-short-CDs thread that >crops up periodically. (BTW, thanks for the reviews) As someone who's been listening to Sharp since ISM in the early 80's but who has tired of his recorded output in recent years, I'd be interested to hear some z-listers' recommendations of his best recent work. For some context, I think he peaked with the extraordinary LARYNX on SST. I also enjoyed earlier work like CARBON (Zoar) and FRACTAL (Dossier) as well as the relatively recent TERRAPLANE. Often I find his ideas more interesting than the realization (MARCO POLO'S ARGALI, TWISTMAP) and sometimes I think the projects simply fail (K!L!A!V!, and tripe like the adolescent--at best--IN THE LAND OF THE YAHOOS). So, given all this, which releases from the last five years or so do you think this crabby listener would enjoy? Thanks. Brian Olewnick PS. Did the Bootstrappers group ever release anything other than the original CD (on Enemy, I think?)? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:13:45 PDT From: "Scott Handley" Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #373 When I saw Whitehead read from NEW DUTCH SWING at the Bottle Fest in Chicago, he said that anyone who wanted a list of errata and (I think maybe) additional index material could e.mail him at kwhitehead@compuserve.com. Just so ya'll know. >From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Cc: cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca >Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:28:51 -0400 >Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #373 > >Ken Waxman wrote: > > As for Whitehead's book, I think it's well done, but > whoever did the index should be shot. It's so limited and > skimpy as to necessitate looking through the entire volume > to find additional information. > >Hm... My copy came with an addendum to the index which is actually >longer than the index in the book. Problem is, now i have to look up >things twice! If I were you, I'd write to the publisher for the update. > > > > >- > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:14:21 EDT From: D Royko Subject: Re: Penguin Guide In a message dated 98-05-20 13:46:09 EDT, you write: >If you've got any favourite bloopers, then, please post them to me >personally, s.wilkie@swan.ac.uk, though I'm happy for them to go on >the list too if they're entertaining (ie NOT wrong catalogue numbers >eg). Here's one: In all 3 editions, p. 670 in the third ed., Ibrahim: Refering to KAZ CD 7 as a "live" set by Ekaya, when in fact it is a selection of studio tracks taken from the "Ekaya" and "Water From An Ancient Well" recordings. Dave Royko - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:20:49 -0800 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: New Zornian Releases Steve Smith wrote: >Rerelease of John Oswald's "Plexure" Steve, do you know if this is a straight re-issue or if it's been re-recorded or added to? Oswald has been quoted as saying there were some changes he wanted to make in the piece. Bests, Herb Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:18:40 -0500 (EST) From: "M.A. Piper" Subject: YO MILES! Hi all, I have just updated the Henry Kaiser website with the liner notes from the forthcoming YO MILES!, an album of Miles Davis interpretations by Henry and Wadada Leo Smith. Included in the notes is "Procession of the Great Ancestry," a beautiful piece of poetry by Mr. Smith, and a great essay by Enrico Merlin, noted Davis authority. The liner notes for YO MILES! are available at: http://php.indiana.edu/~mpiper/HKYOMILES.html Best, M. A. Piper IU School of Library and Information Science "Tu id inveni tibi... quid videor -- bibliothecarius?" The Official Henry Kaiser Website http://php.indiana.edu/~mpiper/HKMain.html "The best in contemporary improvisation..." - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:22:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Keldon Drudge Subject: Re: Kronos in the Katmandu box also well worth the (rather modest) price is the ep _five tango sensations_ featuring astor piazzola on bandoneon (compositions by same). On Wed, 20 May 1998, Snap wrote: > Vadim wrote: > > > >can anybody send me the list of songs (and info from which albums they are > >taken)? also any recommendation of others KQ albums will be appreciated > >(before that, i heard them only on Spillane). > > > > > > Although a good album - yet by no means an archtypal compendium of > Kronos at their best, IMHO - "Released" seems to present their sunnier side, > considering that more extravagant peices of Crumb's "Black Angels" remain > exclusively on the album of the same name. Other good 'uns are: > Short Stories - probably their most eclectic (and my personal > favorite), with arrangements from Elliott Sharp, Steven Mackey, John Oswald, > and John Zorn. > Night Prayers - a dark offering of Eastern European composers like > Sofia Gubaidulina, Osvaldo Golijov, et al. > The Dreams and Prayers of Isaac the Blind - by Osvaldo Golijov, for > string quartet and clarinets (David Krakauer). > Ghost Opera - for string quartet, water, rocks, paper, and chinese > pipa (Wu Man) by Tan Dun. > > The double CD Salome and the Last Dance for Peace (sic?) by Terry Riley > is all right, as is Early Music, which, I believe is their latest. Not too > familiar with White Man Sleeps or their albums of Philip Glass or Morton > Feldman, as I didn't find them interesting enough at the used CD shops to go > beyond just listing through them and actually buying them. There are a few > more full lengths and around a dozen of EPs, one of which is Bob Ostertag's > All the Rage, which I'd like to check out. Anyone heard this one yet? > > > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:05:56 -0400 From: "Mark Logan and Kathleen O'Grady" Subject: Victoriaville Hi all Just got back from a wonderful few days in Victoriaviile. It was my first time in the area and at the festival. Gorgeous part of Quebec and a first rate fest. The 2 Zorn performances were a highlight among many excellent shows. The saturday evening was billed as "Modern Chamber Music". Feldman, Friedlander, Anthony Coleman (subbing for David Shea), William Winant along with another percussionist and keyboardist whose names I didnt catch. The centerpiece of the performance was Duras, which was performed in it's entirity in the second half of the show. The first portion consisted of 3 pieces, Etant Donnes, something called Music for Children I think and a drum duet. The drum piece was interesting in that the volume of William's drum was such that it verged on feeding back quite often. Zorn was at the back by the soundboard for this piece and was clearly manipulating the volume and toying with the feedback. Duras was magnificent and IMHO, the most successful piece of the night. Zorn/Patton/Mori was fantastic as well. Zorn's sax playing was otherworldly and his five-minute-straight-circular-breathing was a joy to witness !!! Too many other highlights to get into, but overall the festival seemed really well attended and superbly executed. Finally, anyone interested in trading live tapes, get in touch !! Id love to hear more of this sort of music in a live setting !!! bye mark - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:37:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Victoriaville On Wed, 20 May 1998, Mark Logan and Kathleen O'Grady wrote: > Zorn/Patton/Mori was fantastic as well. Zorn's sax playing was > otherworldly and his five-minute-straight-circular-breathing was a joy > to witness !!! Aw, he'll have to go a lot longer than that if he wants to break the G-man's record...8^) Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:43:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: _Plexure_ vs._ Records_ On Wed, 20 May 1998, Caleb Deupree wrote: > Some recent acquisitions. > Marclay's solo work leaves me somewhat disappointed. While the work > that he does is certainly interesting, my expectations are set by > Plexure (since I've been seeing the word 'plunderphonic' applied to > Marclay's work). I'm starting to think that Plexure is the ne plus > ultra of plunderphonics, so I need to set this one aside and come back > to it when my expectations have been revised. Probably so. Other than the fact that both involve taking sounds produced by other people and recontextualizing them, the work on _Records_ doesn't have much in common with _Plexure_. Marclay seems more interested in the physicality of his records, layering of sounds, more straightforward rhythmic devices, and real-time performance than Oswald does (on these records). I think they're both great, but totally different. > Very similar to Martin > Tetrault's cutup vinyl work on Ambiences Magnetiques. FIrst I've heard of him. Any recommendations? Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:24:55 EDT From: JonAbbey2 Subject: Tetreault/Victoriaville In a message dated 5/20/98 8:46:08 PM, chhst9+@pitt.edu wrote: <<> Very similar to Martin > Tetrault's cutup vinyl work on Ambiences Magnetiques. FIrst I've heard of him. Any recommendations?>> Tetreault's set was one of the highlights of this past weekend's Victoriaville festival. His piece consisted of taking three plastic turntables and using the needles on the platters themselves, as well as inside the turntables. He had a ton of different techniques and ideas and put together a really coherent set. Tetreault has 4 CDs avialble, to the best of my knowledge. The first is a record released on Ambiances Magnetiques in 1990, which I haven't heard but is supposedly fairly primitive compared to the work he's doing now. Then he seemed to kind of disappear from the scene for a while. The second, La Nuit Ou J'Ai Dit Non, just came out recently on the Belgian label Lowlands and is a collage of various twentieth century classical fragments (including Henry, Subotnick, Wuorinen) stitched together to form one seamless whole. One of my favorite records of the year so far. He also just put out two collaborative efforts on Ambiances Magnetiques, one with Rene Lussier and one with Ikue Mori and Diane Labrosse. I haven't heard either of these yet. I'd recommend checking Tetreault's work out for fans of Marclay or Otomo. Actually, Tetreault and Otomo have a duet record coming out at some point that I'm looking forward to. A few more quick Victoriaville thoughts: I've been to the last three and this was easily the most successful musically. My personal highlights included Tetreault, the Clusone Trio, Leimgruber/Crispell/Leandre/Hauser, and the Nihilist Spasm Band. But the band that stole the festival was Doppelmoppel. Two trombones (the Bauer brothers), an electric guitar (the brillaint Joe Sachse, who I had never heard before), and an acoustic guitar (Uwe Kropinski). Unfortunately, the only records they've made are an out of print LP from 1981 and a superb FMP cd that was recorded in 1986. Hopefully, Victo will release the tape of this set. I didn't find the Zorn sets especially compelling. The Modern Chamber Music program was Music For Children, Dark River, Etant Donnes, and Duras. My impressions of this ranged from nice but unessential to downright aggravating in the case of the Duchamp tribute. The Zorn/Mori/Patton set I found enjoyable for a while, but Patton's ideas are few and far between and Zorn seems to have no middle range when he's doing free improv between long circular breathing solos and quiet, prettier passages. I found myself wishing for a more nuanced sax player and singer about twenty minutes in. Just my opinion, Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:25:19 EDT From: NYLifer Subject: Re: Gary Lucas Radio Broadcast In a message dated 98-05-14 10:18:56 EDT, brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu writes: > NYC area z-listers might be interested to tune in to WNYC's New Sounds > program this evening at 11:00 PM (93.9). Gary Lucas will be performing > what he described as "a blistering set" of pieces from 'Busy Being > Born' (recorded a couple of days ago). Did anybody tape this, hopefully on DAT? Plenty to offer in trade. Robert - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:38:49 +0800 From: Jan-Wen Lu Subject: Martin Tetreault > Tetreault has 4 CDs avialble, to the best of my knowledge. The first > is a > record released on Ambiances Magnetiques in 1990, which I haven't > heard but is > supposedly fairly primitive compared to the work he's doing now. Then > he > seemed to kind of disappear from the scene for a while. The second, La > Nuit Ou > J'Ai Dit Non, just came out recently on the Belgian label Lowlands and > is a > collage of various twentieth century classical fragments (including > Henry, > Subotnick, Wuorinen) stitched together to form one seamless whole. One > of my > favorite records of the year so far. Tetreault also has a cassette on Ambiances Magnetiques titled "Snippettes", a limitededition of 250 copies. Besides this, he is also the member of the wonderful trio- Bruire, with M.F. Cote and Robert M. Lepage. They have several titles available. > I'd recommend checking Tetreault's work out for fans of Marclay or > Otomo. > Actually, Tetreault and Otomo have a duet record coming out at some > point that > I'm looking forward to. In my own point of view, Tetreault's early works are similar to Marclay and Otomo.For the new CD on Audioview, he seems to change his style. More multi-layered abstract sounds. Unlike his early cut-up, plunderphonics works. Tetreault's collaboration disc with Otomo will be available on Ambiances Magnetiques. Otomo will release a live recording of Tetreault, Otomo, Yasuhiro Otani, and Sachiko M on his own Amoebic label later this year. Jan-Wen Lu - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:58:45 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Tetreault/Victoriaville >>>>> "Jon" == JonAbbey2 writes: Jon> Tetreault has 4 CDs avialble, to the best of my Jon> knowledge. The first is a record released on Ambiances Jon> Magnetiques in 1990, which I haven't heard but is supposedly Jon> fairly primitive compared to the work he's doing now. I've probably got this first one, Des Pas et Des Mois. I don't remember much about it, except that on one track he took three records and cuts them like pieces of a pie, then glued them together, one piece from each separate record. Very similar to some of the tracks on the Marclay CD. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change. Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:53:53 -0700 From: "pfMENTUM" Subject: Hemingway In SoCalifornia The Gerry Hemingway Quartet with Dresser, Eskelin, and Ray Anderson will be performing at City Hall in Ventura CA at 8:00 PM on Saturday, June 13. Tickets are 7 bucks at the door. Private e-mail for more info. pfMENTUM - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:16:20 -0700 From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) Subject: Re: All the rage. >> There are a few >> more full lengths and around a dozen of EPs, one of which is Bob Ostertag's >> All the Rage, which I'd like to check out. Anyone heard this one yet? Yeah, I've had this for I think going on 3 or so years. I've not listened to it much, not for any real reason, I just forget that I have it. What I can remember is that it's a spoken word thing, with prose centered around "being queer" and what that means to the author. (perhaps, subconsiously, I was slightly put off by this) There is interplay of the quartet along with generous helpings of sampling, most notably sounds from a gay pride parade. Now that I'm thinking about it, I really don't remember too much of this work, perhaps I'll have to go home tonight and give it another listen. I let you know if I discover something cool that I may have missed or forgotten. Peace, - -Doug - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:59:35 +0200 From: Benjamin Pequet Subject: Re: Recent Sharp etc > As someone who's been listening to Sharp since ISM in the early 80's > but who has tired of his recorded output in recent years, I'd be > interested to hear some z-listers' recommendations of his best recent > work. # with Ronny Someck (reading) a cd called Revenge of the stuttering child (psycho-blues, post-klezmer, just beautiful) [TZ7117] # with someone named Princess Esther I think, or Queen Esther or something like that (singing) was well worth a listening (Elliott Sharp playing guitars, one on each channel, in the same vein but more interesting than Terraplane if you allow me a comparison. In the notes the girl thanks her family and Sharp wishes to thank the devil) # with queen Zeena Parkins and Optical 8 and Melt Banana some time ago, a cd called Chipfarm (Japanese noise terrorists, lots of Japanese and lots of noise, nice and sweet, you have to follow that stuff) [God Mountain GMCD016] # with Zeena Parkins on about half the tracks of a cd called Slut (Japanese witch, on the cover. I know nothing about who are the other musicians, I hear Marc Ribot on a few tracks too, but all the cd is really good) There's so much stuff. With Godco on the cd Straight not for example. The cd Interference, that put an end to Carbon is almost music to dance on [Atavistic ALP50CD]. Apparition on the Haymish groove cd [Extraplatte EX316155CD]. The Shambala cd with William Hooker [KFWCD151]. And I am sure I will recommend the cd of improvisations of the Sharp and Frances-Marie Uitti as soon as I get to listen to it. I can find more info on these ones if you want me to, title of the cd, with whom exactly, record company etc, just get back to me privately. Or maybe all that could be filed at www.lamediatheque.be and you could find the info there ? It should but, sorry I can't check now, I don't have internet access anymore. Sorry for being vague and maybe repeat things that can have been said by others now, I have only a periodic email access. I hope this helps anyway. I guess you can do a search and find more info about this somewhere on the net. I don't know if you would enjoy these records Brian, these are as different from each other as possible... yet still Sharp. Well, I did enjoy these recordings and I relate totally to the comments you made about the discs of Sharp you mention - except that I got to listen to them about ten years later. Later. Benj - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #374 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com