From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #401 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, June 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 401 In this issue: - Motoharu Yoshizawa Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas Musica Transonic + Haino Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas Re: Grassy Knoll III Re: Downtown Lullaby error Re: Downtown Lullaby error Re: Hancock Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:17:55 -0400 From: David Keffer Subject: Motoharu Yoshizawa Brian Olewnick wrote: > > There's a solo bass album on PSF by someone whose name, damn it, > escapes me at the moment--begins with 'M'--that I've heard great > things about. If anyone, miraculously, can figure out which release > I'm referring to and can provide a review, please do. > The bass player you are thinking of his probably Motoharu (given name) Yoshizawa (surname). He plays on about 10 discs on the PSF label. What I have heard with him is the 2 cd's he did with Mikami Kan and Keiji Haino _Live in the First Year of the Heisei_ volumes 1 and 2, 1990. These 2 discs feature Haino on guitar and Mikami on guitar and voice, so if you don't think Vajra hits the spot, then you probably will feel the same way about these 2 discs. The only other Yoshizawa disc I have heard is "Angels have Passed", PSF 22, which features Yoshizawa on a five-string bass of his own construction, in an improv trio including violin and piano. Yoshizawa's bass is the featured instrument and, if you imagine that you would like bass/violin/piano improv, then this disc will not disappoint, because it's a fantastic work in this genre. I haven't heard the Solo Yoshizawa discs on PSF from the 60's or 70's. Also haven't heard the freeform bass duo disc he did with Barre Philips but I bet that is great. David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:34:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Holmes Subject: Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas The article in this weekends Chronicle made it sound like they expected people to go running and screaming. They also said they have been fighting off A&R guys left and right. The article made it sounds like it was a Naked city type of heavy metal band. I didn't make it to the show either, but I can imagine guys in Megadeath t-shirts and long hair running from Slim's with their hands on their ears. This ain't your older brothers Metal Band. The article interview each of the members and stressed their hatred of corporate radio rock. No surprise there, but it was still funny to hear. The article will probably be online sometime this week. Bummed I missed it, but they did mention a cd being realesed sometime next year, and enough material for two. Sounded fun, please chime in if you actually saw it. They'll be in NY soon. Love to hear some feedback. Ciao, Brian On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Chris Bar{ett wrote: > Didn't see it (or hear it) but, I read on MTV's site (gotta keep up with my > Spice Girls news) and one other that he puzzled, befuddled and confused > most of the crowd. It was apparently some sort of metallish-improv. It > seems many fans left the show early or midway through, a few screaming > their displeasure during the few quiet moments. > > -Chris > > At 2:22 PM 6/22/98, m. rizzi wrote: > >I am so lame, I missed last nights debut of Mike Pattons > >new group Fantomas. Did anyone go? Description/review > >appreciated. > > > >mike > > > >-- > >rizzi@netcom.com -------------------------------------- www.browbeat.com > > "Another nerd with a soulpatch" > >-------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ------- > > > >- > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:45:52 -0400 From: "David J. Keffer" Subject: Musica Transonic + Haino wrote: > >I just finished listening to Incubation for the first time and frankly, I was >underwhelmed. I'm a huge Haino fan and I like some of the MT/Mainliner/Acid >Mothers stuff but this one just doesn't seem to work. there doesn't seem to be >much meshing between the two styles, just Haino's vocals over the top of a MT >rave-up that isn't as wild as a lot of their other recorded work. I'd say give >this one a miss. Haino's collaborations with other "name" artists don't seem >to connect with me like much of his solo work or his Fushitsusha material >does. > Well, I have to disagree with this. The Musica Transonic and Haino collaboration works for me because I think that there is careful interplay between Haino's voice and the rest of the instruments, especially on the first two tracks. My only regret with this album is that Haino sings on only 3 of the 7 tracks. As for comparing "Incubation" to Fushitsusha, well... I agree this record doesn't have anything like the impact of a choice Fushitsusha record, but that's not saying a lot. Fushitsusha is an extraordinary phenomenon; it's unrealistic to think that everything Haino puts his finger in is going to turn to gold. (The same could be said for anyone else, including Zorn.) ;) David "Let's keep a level head and give it a second listen" K. p.s. Two new Fushitsusha records in the second wave of 4 Haino cds coming out on Tokuma Records June 24, 1998. June 24 as in Wednesday! - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:33:37 -0400 From: Brian Carlson Subject: Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas I received this fan review of the first show in San Fran on another list. It reads............... Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 04:22:27 -0700 To: cv-list@optera.com From: crogers@sfsu.edu (Chris Rogers) Subject: CV: FantYmas presents itself to the world. Reply-To: crogers@sfsu.edu (Chris Rogers) -jun 18 thr Fantomas at Slim's, San Francisco $12advance/$14door all ages 8pm/9pm I got to Slim's around 8:30pm, people outside were talking about how the show was sold out. A weathered man standing by the entrance tried to sell me some half a gram of hash. The security guys at Slim's were trying to not let any cameras into the club, but judging from flashes during the performance, a few got through the pat-down. On the big screen rolled down in front of the stage, old-skool Ultraman movies were being shown. There were quite a few Bungle & FNM shirts floating around. I worked my way up as close to the stage as I could & got within two bodies of the stage. Slim's is a great venue, perhaps the very best in SF; medium size, great stage and consistent kick-ass bands playing there. I was suprised when the screen rolled up and 'twas Buckethead + DJ Disk opening. They've been playing around the Bay Area quite a bit for the past couple months. They traffic in one-on-one instrumental-solo duels of the highest caliber; Buckethead on guitars and DJ Disk on turntables. It's fuckin' amazing to watch them square off. Check out www.bucketheadland.com for a taste of his shtuff. They tore it up - with just a drum machine to lay down a groove, the two ripped out furious intricate solos to drop yer jaw. High-Quality entertainment. Buckethead did the robot dance and also demonstrated his skill with the nunchucks over the course of the set. He alsohanded out a bunch of comics to the audience. I got an X-Men comic. Maximum Bob stared at the audience from under his cowboy hat. This is his role, he does it at every Buckethead show I've been to. He does it well. (Bob has a credit for backing vocals on the Bungle self-titled album. I'd like to know exactly what he did since when he's onstage he never speaks.) The crowd dug 'em. Fantomas took a very long time to set up - half of "The Nightmare Before Christmas". A group of people cheered randomly at the happenings on the screen. A few guys peeked beneath the screen to watch the roadies set up. Finally the screen rolled up & the show began. Dave's huge drumset and Mike's bank of equipment bookended the stage, with Buzzo & Trevor in between. They set it up that way so they could have eye contact I suppose. The best way to describe the sound of the band is "bursts". There is no song structure per se; more like a ridiculously slow part followed by a a ridiculously fast part, repeat, lasting about 1 and a half minutes. It's closer to Mike's solo work than Bungle or The Melvins. Every once in a while the band would threaten to drop into a groove and produce some semblance of a cohesive piece, then it would almost immediately be destroyed by the band flailing at their instruments as hard as possible. Now this isn't a bad thing, but it gets really fucking annoying when you expect so much from these guys. Besides, Anal Cunt does that for a living. I expected intracacies, fucked-up tempo shifts and VARIETY from these guys, but instead they're doing this extreme noise terror trip. There were about 4 instances during the show when Dave would lay down a kick-ass fast punk/Slayer drumtrack and a song fragment would form atop it for perhaps 10 seconds before being destroyed. I found myself at times more apt to read my X-Men comic than watch what was happening on stage two feet away from me. But... but... but... I got hope in these guys... hey, it's their first time and they're just mucking around having a good time and it doesn't really matter as long as they're enjoying themselves right? If they record, it should be interesting to see what they come up with. - -random chunks from the show: *The band was working off of arcanely scribbled notes for each "song", (not using the mic and just to the band, sez Mike: "ok, number 21. ready?") they went off of numbers and each song would take up a page or two. Mike paid the most attention to his notes, set on a music stand in front of his equipment. If they weren't being included in the current exchange, Buzzo or Trevor might squat to check out their notes on the floor. *There were no words in the songs. Mike wasn't kidding about that in the SF Examiner interview. *There were two styles of t-shirts on sale. One white; with a series of eyes (drawn) in boxes beneath the name across the chest, the other black; with the name written in big Death Metal calligraphy across the chest and an evil-looking head for the "O". Both very cool. They were $15 each. *Though it looked like they really didn't have a set course, you got the vibe that the band was havin' a good time up there. They were all smiles. *Mike kept tabs on on the band, asking quite a few times "Everyone ok?" off-mic to see where the guys were at, or making sure they were all on the same song. *After one song, Mike said with a grin off-mic; "Interesting interpretation, boys!" *Only one comment from a heckler turned Mike's head - in between songs someguy yelled "Hey Mike! You finally found something you're shitty at: producing!!" Mike spun around and blew a kiss in the guy's direction. The audience laughed. At the very end of the show, right before their last song, Mike addressed the audience. He thanked everyone sincerely for showing up, mentioned that it was their first show and said that he thought the next song would be their Big Hit. When the audience laughed, he said "a normal band would give you one hit, but we've given you like 30 hits here tonight!" The last song sounded the same as the rest. Then the band went offstage to do the whole encore bit. I pushed my way up so that I was front and center, right up against the stage. I set my comic down on it. A guy to my right tried to take Mike's thick sheaf of notes off of the music stand. An onstage roadie grabbed his hand and I grabbed his wrist and the roadie wrangled the notes away from him. The roadie then reshuffled the notes and set them back on the music stand, The band came back out after a bit and Mike introduced the encore song as one that had been a Big Hit back in the 1930s. Buzzo smiled and said to the other guys "Ready boys? Ready men?". They tear-assed through it, but it had words and everything. (If someone could identify what song that was, they would be cool.) They finished, the crowd applauded. Some guy jumped onstage, kissed Mike on the back of the head(he didn't flinch) and was pushed back into the crowd by the same roadie. The crowd began to disperse. Trey Spruance was wandering around the audience area, looking as scummy as ever. People were talking to him and taking pictures with him & he's a super-nice guy; answering all their queries, signing tickets and shakin' hands all around. I couldn't think of what to say, so I asked him if there was going to be a full-on Secret Chiefs 3 junket in the Bay Area in the forseeable future (as opposed to the abbreviated show in the backroom at Mission Records 2 months ago). He said that it's kinda hard to get the whole band together 'cause everyone lives in different places, but he said they just came off their Aussie tour and it was great. Then he said that the main thing that he's focusing on right now is the new Bungle album (which was going to be my next question, so I was glad that he led into it!). I asked him about the new Bungle album and... and... I completely forgot what he said. I told him how much I dug his work, and he was like "thanks, man!". He's a super-cool guy. I shook his hand and then headed for the exit. Talked to Jeremy from the CV list on the way out. He was suprised that I had shaved most of my hair off since last I saw him. Then I drove home, then I wrote this, then I went to sleep(presumably). On a scale of 1 to 4 I don't think I'm going to bother trying to rate this experience. Sorry I wrote so much, if you have any feedback it may take a long time for me to respond 'cause I'm heading off to Europe for a month on Saturday. So you'll have to tell me how the Sunday show goes. 'til next time... warm pizza and ripe papayas to you... - c h r i s [4:07am] - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:32:02 +0100 From: Nils Jacobson Subject: Re: Grassy Knoll III Dan Hewins writes: > > I know this may be a bit off subject but I would like some recommendations. > > My roomate picked up "Grassy Knoll III" a couple of weeks ago (probably > because of the names Ellery Eskelin and Thurston Moore) and I have been > listening to it for the last couple of days. I really like it! The other Grassy Knoll albums are close to the level of III. Go get Positive, the second release. It's a nice tidbit. Something maybe close is Ben Neill. He has a couple albums out. The one I have is called Tryptical. Beat-heavy but with instrumental flair. As for the live performances, I am fairly certain these guys know how to play their instruments. They've been together for a while now. It's possible (amazing though it may sound) for a musician to have a bad day, or a group of musicians not to be together. This particular group is not that used to being a live band, their work has mostly been in the studio. Part of the problem is marketing, they don't fit into a niche with a venue with an audience. - -Nils - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:15:53 EDT From: Subject: Re: Downtown Lullaby error In a message dated 98-06-22 15:32:55 EDT, hewins@synsolutions.com writes: << So far the Depth Of Field recordings (all two of them) have some small problems. Is it that they were made in haste or is it just carelessness? I posted before that on the "Euclid's Nighmare" disc there are repeated tracks (7 and 18, for example). >> Actually, a friend of mine wrote to Previte asking about this and he wrote back saying that it was intentional and thanked my friend for noticing. I like that disk more and more each time I listen to it. -nick - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:35:26 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Downtown Lullaby error Dan Hewins wrote: > Is this label going to only release 100% improv discs or what? I don't > really mean that but so far that's all there is. Next on the agenda is an already-recorded album of Bobby's classic fusion repertoire band The Horse, an all-new studio recording. There may be another album of the Lullaby quartet recorded live at the Knitting Factory. And before long there will be discs by other artists, but not before sometime next year. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:55:57 +0200 From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel) Subject: Re: Hancock > > Finally, does anyone know of a Ron Carter trio album with Hancock and > > Cobham?? On Ron Carter's "Uptown Conversation" (1969), there are some tracks with just Carter, Hancock and Cobham. Don't know whether there's a whole album with just the three of them. > You're not referring to the Milestone album Carter made about 1980 with > Hancock and Tony Williams are you? If so, I have it on vinyl and can look > up the particulars on it if you're interested. There are several Carter/Hancock/Williams trio albums out. You're talking about Carter's "Third Plane" (rec. 1977, rel. 1978); there's also "The Herbie Hancock Trio '77" and "Herbie Hancock Trio With Ron Carter + Tony Williams" (1981). The latter ones have only been issued in Japan. Regards, - Chris. --------------------------------------------- * Chris Genzel --- stamil@t-online.de * * Homepage & Herbie Hancock Discography at: * * http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/ * --------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:51:20 +0100 From: "Olivier Nguyen Van Tan" Subject: Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas This description of "metallish-improv" sounds great to me !!! :))) Who are the member of Fantomas ? Olivier - -----Message d'origine----- >From: "m. rizzi" >Subject: Mike Patton's Fantomas > >I am so lame, I missed last nights debut of Mike Pattons >new group Fantomas. Did anyone go? Description/review >appreciated. >From: "Chris Bar{ett" >Subject: Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas > >Didn't see it (or hear it) but, I read on MTV's site (gotta keep up with my >Spice Girls news) and one other that he puzzled, befuddled and confused >most of the crowd. It was apparently some sort of metallish-improv. It >seems many fans left the show early or midway through, a few screaming >their displeasure during the few quiet moments. > >- -Chris - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:01:59 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas > Who are the member of Fantomas ? Trevor Dunn (Mr Bungle) on bass Dave Lombardo (Slayer) on drums Buzz Osborne (Melvins) on guitar and of course Patton making noises out front - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #401 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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