From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #406 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, June 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 406 In this issue: - Re: Best of Naked City Re: Recent Goodies Re: Anchorage NYC Coming Events downtown serenade Re: downtown serenade response to patton & bennink Re: Big Fun Re: downtown serenade Laswell/Marley Re: Laswell/Marley Frith Bands Re: Frith Bands Re: Frith Bands God Re: Frith Bands Re: God /Sugarbullet? Re: Frith Bands Re: Frith Bands Re: Anchorage NYC Coming Events Re: Anchorage NYC Coming Events Weird Little Boy/ Mark Feldman sig Dennis Cooper New York Clubs Gene Coleman/Polwechsel at Roulette ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:59:59 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Best of Naked City > I've been listening to Zorn for a short time now, and really like what > I hear, But I am looking to get another Naked City CD. I already have > Naked City, but, what should I buy next? Yes, Radio is the logical second choice. Torture Garden's pretty much essential too, but you're better off getting Grand Guignol since the tracks overlap. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:20:19 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Recent Goodies > I've just got RUINS - Refusal Fossil [Skin Graft]. There are 12 previously > unreleased tracks and others 8 live with guests. Studio tracks were mastered > by Jim ORourke. Guests in live tracks are Kikuchi Naruyoshi (better known > from TIPOGRAPHICA or as a sax player on Ground Zero Plays Standards), Emi > Eleonda and Yamamoto Seiichi from OMOIDE HATOBA. Absolutely brill CD for all > Ruins' fans. There's something which has sort of intrigued me about this since I bought it a few months ago. Who plays vibes on Gravestone? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:46:20 +0000 From: "Charles Gillett" Subject: Re: Anchorage NYC Coming Events On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:36:27 -0400 (EDT), wrote: > >CREATIVE TIME IN THE ANCHORAGE 98 > >music, films, performance inside the > >Brooklyn Bridge > >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > > >FRI. JUNE 26 -- JOHN ZORN'S NIGHT OF RADICAL IMPROVISATIONS 9 PM > >$12 advance/$15 day of show > > > > John Zorn gathers a group of experimental musicians for an evening > >of radical acoustic improvisation including Mike Patton formerly of Faith > >No More, Min Xiao-Fen with Derek Bailey, Cyro Baptista's "Beat the > >Donkey," and legendary free jazz percussionist Milford Graves. Aarrgh. I'm scheduled to arrive at La Guardia at 8:50pm or so. Will this be a Tonic-esque madhouse, or is the anchorage more spacious? I suppose I'll find out when I get there.... - -- Charles - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:08:43 -0500 From: Bob Kowalski Subject: downtown serenade Anyone have the scoop on the sound of the new disc "Downtown Serenade" featuring Wayne Horovitz, John Zorn, and two others (I think Previte might be on this...actually, not even 100% positive about the title - just glanced at it in the shop.) Is this as straight forward a ballad - to - the - city / jazz quartet as it appears? Would love to know. Bob - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:53:19 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: downtown serenade On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:08:43 -0500 Bob Kowalski wrote: > > Anyone have the scoop on the sound of the new disc "Downtown > Serenade" featuring Wayne Horovitz, John Zorn, and two others (I think > Previte might be on this...actually, not even 100% positive about the title - > just glanced at it in the shop.) Is this as straight forward a ballad - to - > the - city / jazz quartet as it appears? Would love to know. Yes, Wayne is on the balcony and Zorn shows up with his violin. After some failed attempts at attracting attention from Wayne, Elliott shows up on the far left of the scene with his mandolin. According to some rumours, Bobby was there in the early evening but his drum playing did not do too much to Wayne. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:08:59 -0400 From: jtalbot@massart.edu Subject: response to patton & bennink >So my question is: has someone ever heard any recordings, saw some >concerts by these two guys??? yep. patton did a show with david slusser and han bennink at the saalfelden jazz festival a few years ago. it was a great show. there are video and audio versions of this show floating around. i have a copy of the video. ok. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:04:08 EDT From: Subject: Re: Big Fun In a message dated 98-06-26 10:16:08 EDT, Joseph S. Zitt writes: << It's been a while since I've heard Big Fun, but I recall a section where three trumpet solos are overlaid. Either that was postproduction, or Miles was even more amazing than I thought... :-) >> Big Fun in general, and this passage specifically, have always been among my favorite examples of Miles, regardless of how it was done. It was either studio multitracking, or possibly, by using an echoplex with a really long delay time. Its a beautifully simple passage - Miles playing a gentle, slow blues, almost in completely free time, with minimal backup from bass and drums. To me, its just totally beautiful. Dale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 02:07:28 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: downtown serenade > Anyone have the scoop on the sound of the new disc "Downtown > Serenade" featuring Wayne Horovitz, John Zorn, and two others (I think > Previte might be on this...actually, not even 100% positive about the title - > just glanced at it in the shop.) Is this as straight forward a ballad - to - > the - city / jazz quartet as it appears? Would love to know. He shoots, he scores! Patrice's answer was more interesting and informative than this will be, but I might as well give you some more info since I've got nothing better to do. The cd you speak of would be "Downtown Lullaby" by Zorn/Horvitz/Sharp/Previte. It's released on Depth Of Field, and it ain't no straight forward a ballad blah blah as it appears (if it did ever appear so). It's an improv-ish thing, ok? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:54:03 UT From: peter_risser@cinfin.com Subject: Laswell/Marley Apparently this has been out for a while, but I don't have the proper title for it. Could someone tell me what it's called and what label it's on? And maybe a little bit about it. Thanks, Peter - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:54:43 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Laswell/Marley At 06:54 PM 6/26/98 +0000, peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote: >Apparently this has been out for a while, but I don't have the proper title for >it. >Could someone tell me what it's called and what label it's on? >And maybe a little bit about it. Check the Axiom Label pages at the Axiom Web Site below. Jeff Spirer B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/ Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:31:42 -0500 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Frith Bands I was trying to get info on some of Frith's bands, Art Bears and Skeleton Crew. I was successful at AMG in finding the correct Art Bears but the Skeleton Crew was not a band invlolving Frith. I found some RA soundclips from the Skeleton Crew album "Prehistoric...Dig" and it DEFINITELY isn't Frith. Hmmm.... anyone know anything about Skeleton Crew? Thanks, Dan - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 15:39:44 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re: Frith Bands Dan wrote: >I was trying to get info on some of Frith's bands, Art Bears and Skeleton >Crew. I was successful at AMG in finding the correct Art Bears but the >Skeleton Crew was not a band invlolving Frith. I found some RA soundclips >from the Skeleton Crew album "Prehistoric...Dig" and it DEFINITELY isn't >Frith. Hmmm.... anyone know anything about Skeleton Crew? Check Patrice's Frith discography on the web. Skeleton Crew (Frith, Tom Cora and Zeena Parkins) put out one of the finest, IMHO, "rock" albums of the 80's, COUNTRY OF BLINDS on Rift. I _think_ it's out there somewhere on disc... Brian Olewnick - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:52:31 +0200 From: "De Kater" Subject: Re: Frith Bands Skeleton Crew was a group with Fred Frith and Tom Cora and later on Zeena Parkins. They made two albums: 'Learn to talk' (RecRec 05/Rift 08 - -1983/1984)and 'The Country of Blinds' (RecRec 12/Rift 11 - 1985/1986). There is also a cd with this material (reCDec 512), but it seams out of sale at the moment. Distribution by: RecRec Genossenschaft, P.O. Box 717, 8026 Zurich, Switzerland. Tel. 01-2415055, Fax 01-2421534. Jan Luyben ... anyone know anything about Skeleton Crew? > > Thanks, > Dan > > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:02:26 +0100 From: ScottRussell Subject: God - --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain Anyone care to comment on K Martin's outfit God? I saw a disc today which looked interesting. Feat Zorn amongst many other guests. I'm expecting some kind of grindcore... Good, bad, neither? Scott Russell - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:09:10 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Frith Bands On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:52:31 +0200 "De Kater" wrote: > > Skeleton Crew was a group with Fred Frith and Tom Cora and later on Zeena The first incarnation had also (ex-Muffins) Dave Newhouse, later replaced by Zeena. Patrice. PS: be ready for a significant update of the Frith discography (jumping from 200 to 250 recording listed!). - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 16:05:47 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re: God /Sugarbullet? >Anyone care to comment on K Martin's outfit God? I saw a disc today >which looked interesting. Feat Zorn amongst many other guests. I'm >expecting some kind of grindcore... Good, bad, neither? I have two releases, POSSESSION and ANATOMY OF ADDICTION, both on Earache. They're pretty good, nice and noisy. Something about the, to me, rather affected angst of that whole "isolationist" school leaves me cold (maybe that's the point), but they're OK. But this reminds me, for some reason: About five or six years ago, Zorn, as he often did back then, was DJ'ing a broadcast on WKCR here in NY. During one set, he played a piece by a band I _think_ he identified as 'Sugarbullet'. It was probably the most effective combination of thrash/rap/noise that I'd ever heard. Aside from that one snatch, I've never been able to locate anything but a passing mention of this or that EP on some ancient auction lists. Anyone here know anything about 'em? Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:22:13 -0500 From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Frith Bands Dan Hewins wrote: Hmmm.... anyone know anything about Skeleton Crew? They started off in 1982 as a trio. Fred ,Tom Cora and Dave Newhouse(former member of DC based band The Muffins) This version lasted only a few months, after Newhouse left, they continued on as a duo for a couple of years, then added Zeena Parkins. The concept of the band was of 2(or3) one-man-bands playing simultaneously. Each member played 2 or 3 instruments, and a piece of a drum kit. They toured extensively, recorded 2 albums(which were re-released as a 2on1 CD) and disbanded in 1986. Definitely one of my favorite bands of the 80's. Their concerts were always loose and playful, with a great deal of humor involved. They used to do a hysterical version of Massacre's Killing Time with Fred soloing on a home-made guitar that resembled a length of 2X4 with pegs. The music was mostly song based, with widely divergent influences(Only Skeleton Crew could pull off a set that included music by The Art Bears and Jelly-Roll Morton!), and both Fred and Tom sang, though every once in a while they would chuck the book and do a concert length Free-improv, or a set of traditional folk tunes from around the world. Skeleton Crew was sometimes the "House" band for CISPES(Citizens in Solidarity with The People Of El Salvador) events in New York, which led to another permutation where Fred and Tom led an impromptu marching band during a demonstration in Washington DC. I had always hoped that they would have a reunion, but TC's passing makes that impossible, . BTW, can anyone offer a review of The Cora Tribute concert at the knit last month? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:16:16 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Frith Bands On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:22:13 -0500 Rich Williams wrote: > > Dan Hewins wrote: > Hmmm.... anyone know anything about Skeleton Crew? > > I had always hoped that they would have a reunion, but TC's passing > makes that impossible, . BTW, can anyone offer a review of The Cora > Tribute concert at the knit last month? Interesting that you are saying that because a recent Skeleton Crew record has been issued: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 247 - ETYMOLOGY: Fred Frith, Tom Cora Recorded at the Koeinverhuurbdrijf Studio, Purmerland (Netherlands) during Fall 1995 Produced by Tom Dimuzio Fred Frith (1-54): guitar, electromagnetic translations; Tom Cora (37-95): cello, cello resonated objects. 1997 - Rarefaction (USA), RF13 (CD) 1997 - Rarefaction (USA), RF12 (CD-ROM) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ see: http://www.rarefaction.com/crewbios.htm Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:33:12 -0500 From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Anchorage NYC Coming Events Charles Gillett wrote: I'm scheduled to arrive at La Guardia at 8:50pm or so. > Will this be a Tonic-esque madhouse, or is the anchorage more > spacious? The Anchorage is a series of brownstone chambers underneath the Approach to the Brooklyn Bridge. 40 foot high ceilings, catwalks...sculptures on display... its quite the place. I saw Diamanda Galas there and it scared the bejesus out of me. The place is totally made of stone so its LOUD in there, but otherwise quite comfortable, as far as caverns go... Rich - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:30:30 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Anchorage NYC Coming Events At 04:33 PM 6/26/98 -0500, Rich Williams wrote: >Charles Gillett wrote: > I'm scheduled to arrive at La Guardia at 8:50pm or so. >> Will this be a Tonic-esque madhouse, or is the anchorage more >> spacious? > >The Anchorage is a series of brownstone chambers underneath the Approach >to the Brooklyn Bridge. 40 foot high ceilings, catwalks...sculptures on >display... its quite the place. I saw Diamanda Galas there and it scared >the bejesus out of me. The place is totally made of stone so its LOUD in >there, but otherwise quite comfortable, as far as caverns go... This might give a feel for the Anchorage: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/praxis.html > > >Rich > >- > Jeff Spirer B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/ Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:47:57 +0200 From: "Felix" Subject: Weird Little Boy/ Mark Feldman sig Two things: Just got Weird Little Boy (thanks for the info, BTW) and was wondering who this Dennis Cooper is. Anyone know? His texts are pretty good, the kind of poetry I like the most. Was the music in the album written (?) for them? I noticed that Mark Feldman uses sort of a musical signature in his playing! If you have the Caine/Mahler CD, put it on track 6 and wait for the 1 minute or so, you'll hear Feldman sort of screaching with the violin. Now, if you also have Zorn's Kristallnacht, put track 5 playing and wait for the 7 minute 10 seconds or so - there's the same almost exact sound! There's also a track in Bar Kokhba that has this signature (can't remember which right now - it's one of the hardest trio ones). Has anyone else noticed it or am I just imagining things? Is it a signature or lack of inspiration? Felix jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:43:02 -0700 (PDT) From: tosh@loop.com (Tosh) Subject: Dennis Cooper Dennis Cooper is a wonderful writer. Check out his latest novel GUIDE! It is published by Grove, and one can see his whole catalog of works (I imagine) on the Amazon site. - ----------------- Tosh Berman TamTam Books - ---------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:18:29 PDT From: "Jeff Schuth" Subject: New York Clubs HI, I will be going to New York in August. I have never been there, but I know they have alot of cool jazz clubs. Does anyone know whats going on in August? Also, I am 18 years old. Do you have to be twenty one to get in most places? If yes, is it o.k if you are with an adult? Thanx Jeff Schuth "http://members.xoom.com/jschuth" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:30:44 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Gene Coleman/Polwechsel at Roulette Figuring the rest of the NYC new music community would be splitting time between JZ and Co. at the Anchorage and Diamanda Galas at the Knit, and since I've wanted to hear this band for several years, I (and only about 20 others) took in the show by Polwechsel with guest artist Gene Coleman last evening. Polwechsel is an Austrian trio (Werner Dafeldecker, bass and electronics; Michale Moser, cello; Burkhard Stangl, guitars and piano); Coleman's a bass clarinetist out of Chicago who's worked with Jim O'Rourke. They performed five pieces, two compositions by Coleman, one by Stangl and two improvs. I enjoyed the improvisations the most, by far; the composed pieces were a bit static and dry for my taste. Virtually everything the group played was very quiet (don't know if this is the norm), the improvs venturing very nicely into subdued AMM territory. Dafeldecker (easily the best name of the year!) was especially impressive both for his rich, deep arco tone on bass and for the extreme pains he took at his electronics table, coaxing the quietest and most subtle sounds from his apparatus. Stangl was also quite enjoyable, utilizing a number of post-Frithian techniques including producing an, again, very quiet low rumble from his electric guitar that provided a wonderful base for much of the improvs. Moser and Coleman were, I thought, somewhat less interesting, though I'd hesitate to make any generalizations from this one show; I can easily imagine that performances from this bunch vary widely. All showed a good capacity for listening closely to each other. I know Polwechsel has an pending release on Hatology; if anyone can review this or prior releases if theirs, I'd be interested to hear. For that matter, if anyone knows of Gene Coleman's previous work (I've only heard him on Gastr del Sol's 'Upgrade and Afterlife'), I'd be curious about that too. Thanks to Caleb Deupree for posting the announcement of this event; Roulette's calendar is over a month behind and I wouldn't have known otherwise. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #406 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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