From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #431 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, August 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 431 In this issue: - Marclay Staley, Hirsch, Raydeeoh Re: E#, S. Cain, P. Jones gig Re: Marclay Re: Marclay Re: Marclay Re: AMM (was: Recent Goodies) Re: Marclay Re: Staley, Hirsch, Raydeeoh Recent goodies: Haino/Hayward/Min Re: Staley, Hirsch, Raydeeoh Tzadik site AMM vs. pollock influence... Re: looking for Kurt Weill material Mark yer calendars Re: Tzadik Website VINYL/CD Sale ... CD Shops in Tokyo Re: CD Shops in Tokyo Re: Riessler ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:00:25 +0200 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Marclay I was recently in the museum of fine arts of Geneva and was amazed to find an installation by Christian Marclay between mummies en remnants of medieval castles. The installation consisted of a grand piano with some mirrors inside and won an important price for contemporary art in Switzerland. (the title was something like "Piano 1994"). My Question: Is this the same Marclay we all know ? YVes - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:46:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Staley, Hirsch, Raydeeoh Some of you might be familiar with the Jim Staley albums on which Zorn and friends play. I'm particularly interested in finding out more about Shelley Hirsch; anyone have any clues as to what her other projects are? On another note, I should mention that I have a new show over at WMUC Radio in College Park, MD. I do all new/experimental/avant-garde music, and this summer (and hopefully this fall) the time is on Mondays from noon to 3pm. The reason I can announce this on a mailing list (of all things) is that we have a RealAudio feed from the station, so you can listen to my show from anywhere in the world! When the time is right (mondays, 12-3), go to http://www.wmuc.umd.edu and follow the links to the RealAudio feed. If you're interested in sending me any recordings or getting our radio station on your mailing list for new promos, please email me privately and I'll give you our address. m | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | | | | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | UMD school of music | | | | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:10:18 -0400 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: E#, S. Cain, P. Jones gig > On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:53:47 EDT, IOUaLive1@aol.com sed > > Did anyone catch the recent gig at Irving Plaza with Elliott Sharp, Sim Cain > and Percy Jones?? If so, please tell me about it. And I know its a long > shot, but if anyone has, or can get a recording of that gig, please email me!! > I'm sure I have something to offer in trade. Thanks > Not too far fetched. There was at least one crew that night filming the Plastic People. It looked like the cameras were set up and maybe on when Elliott did his set (which was excellent, by the way). So... who knows, maybe we'll see a video of this! Jason - -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:01:52 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Marclay On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:00:25 +0200 Yves Dewulf wrote: > > > I was recently in the museum of fine arts of Geneva and was > amazed to find an installation by Christian Marclay between > mummies en remnants of medieval castles. > The installation consisted of a grand piano with some mirrors > inside and won an important price for contemporary art in > Switzerland. (the title was something like "Piano 1994"). > My Question: Is this the same Marclay we all know ? Sure. Now you understand why he was "discographically" discreet all these past years. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:19:18 -0700 (MST) From: Corey Marc Fogel Subject: Re: Marclay On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:00:25 +0200 Yves Dewulf wrote: > > The installation consisted of a grand piano with some mirrors > > inside and won an important price for contemporary art in > > Switzerland. (the title was something like "Piano 1994"). > > My Question: Is this the same Marclay we all know ? > > Sure. Now you understand why he was "discographically" discreet all these > past years. no, I don't understand. please explain. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:35:36 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Marclay On Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:19:18 -0700 (MST) Corey Marc Fogel wrote: > > > > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > > Sure. Now you understand why he was "discographically" discreet all these > > past years. > > no, I don't understand. please explain. I meant that Marclay got more interested by visual art/installations in the late '80s, to the point that he almost stopped recording. There is a long hole in his discography, testifying of his other interests. If you do some search on the web, you will find that he has been quite active in the art field. The good thing (for us interested by his music) is that there are signs (altough tenuous ones...) that he might spend more time with music performance. I am still curious to know what Asphodel will put out (as you have noticed, all his "recent" recordings are quite old). Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:46:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: AMM (was: Recent Goodies) On Sat, 1 Aug 1998 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > All that being said, you really can't go too wrong with any of those seven I > just mentioned (or the two Brian already has). The only ones I don't think are > essential are the recent one on PSF, the ECM one (just Rowe and Prevost; nice > record, but not really an AMM record) let me add a voice of dissent here. i'm crazy about "...pueblo colorado," the record that rowe and prevost recorded for ecm as amm III. of course, i'm listening to it in the context of the late '70s and how prescient this configuration was in terms of subsequent efforts by sonic youth, storm & stress, william hooker, gastr del sol, crom-tech, etc. while certainly nowhere near the density of of the original incarnation of amm, the ecm record sort of peels back the curtain on the amm mystique, unveiling a pronounced jazz debt and a future influence on punk. just guitar and drums. b - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:34:41 PDT From: "Scott Handley" Subject: Re: Marclay Now you understand why he was "discographically" discreet all these >past years. > > Patrice. > Bruce Gallanter told me, maybe two or three years ago, that Marclay was having hearing problems...or was this David Shea? One of the two. I don't suppose it matters, but does anyone know about this? - --scott ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:54:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Staley, Hirsch, Raydeeoh On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Matthew Ross Davis wrote: > Some of you might be familiar with the Jim Staley albums on which Zorn and > friends play. I'm particularly interested in finding out more about Shelley > Hirsch; anyone have any clues as to what her other projects are? I have several Shelley Hirsch recordings. I'll try to remember to bring them for you when next we get together. Among them is perhaps her best known, "O Little Town of East New York" on Tzadik, some collaborations with David Weinstein, and a quartet gig with David Moss, Anna Homler, and... uh... someone else. - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:03:04 -0400 From: David Keffer Subject: Recent goodies: Haino/Hayward/Min Hello Folks on the Zorn-list: After the Haino/Musica Transonic collaboration came out in June, there was some discussion about that not being an essential Haino recording... Well, the 4 new Haino cds on Tokuma have reached the U.S. (via Forced Exposure and others). The real excitement in this set is Haino's new band "Aihiyo". This disc features a voice-guitar/bass/drums trio covering Japanese folks songs (supposedly). Anyway, the disc is definitely a new direction for Haino so fans should be excited by that. Moreover, the songs are great and Haino is in peak form. If you are thinking about sampling one of the four cds, the Aihiyo disc is the one to check out first. Also, there are 2 Fushitsusha discs (I have only listened to the first so far and it is more in the mellow Fushitsusha vein, which is cool with me, although I know some folks are fans of the Fushitsusha density and power.) One of the 4 new Tokuma cds is Haino solo on voice and Hurdy Gurdy. (I have no idea why Haino is enamored with calling the instrument the "Hard-y Guide-y".) but it is one 72 minute monster drone track, more like the 17 minute hurdy gurdy track on the cd included with Halana! issue 2. It seems to my ear to be less abrasive than the first Haino hurdy gurdy album on PSF "The 21st Century Hard-y Guide-y Man". BTW, a ways back, I raised a question about the availability in the US of the Charles Hayward/Keiji Haino/Otomo Yoshihide/Tatsuya Yoshida/Peter Brotzmann release "Double Agent(s) Live in Japan Volume 2" on Locus Solus. That disc is now out via Wayside, even though I haven't seen it listed in their on-line catalogs. One more thing: The new Min Xiao-Fen cd on AVANT is advertised as: "Min Xiao-Fen is one of the outstanding pipa virtuosos of our time... and has developed strong working relationships with composers as diverse as Chen Yi, Tan Dun, Wadada Leo Smith, Carl Stone, George Lewis and John Zorn. This CD features the fruit of these collaborative friendships in seven major new compositions..." This blurb is a little misleading since neither George Lewis nor John Zorn have composed any of the music on the cd. David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:30:31 -0500 (CDT) From: benjamin elliot axelrad Subject: Re: Staley, Hirsch, Raydeeoh On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Joseph S. Zitt wrote: > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Matthew Ross Davis wrote: > > > Some of you might be familiar with the Jim Staley albums on which Zorn and > > friends play. I'm particularly interested in finding out more about Shelley > > Hirsch; anyone have any clues as to what her other projects are? > > I have several Shelley Hirsch recordings. I'll try to remember to bring > them for you when next we get together. Among them is perhaps her best > known, "O Little Town of East New York" on Tzadik, some collaborations > with David Weinstein, and a quartet gig with David Moss, Anna Homler, > and... uh... someone else. Can anyone recommend The September Band's (Hirsch/Rudiger Carl/Hans Reichel/???) disc on FMP? Thanks, Ben - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:53:04 PDT From: "Dominique Leone" Subject: Tzadik site If you don't already know, the Tzadik no longer delivers CDs directly through its website. I got two CDs from Tzadik, shipped from Knitting Factory. Dominique ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:34:13 -0400 From: bobonic@westol.com (Adam MacGregor) Subject: AMM vs. pollock influence... Well, for what it's worth, I did discover in speaking with Keith Rowe (AMM guitarist) after a AMM gig in Pittsburgh in 1994 or 95 that he is a painter by trade and does derive much influence and/or inspiration from painters rather than other musicians that exploit the prepared instrument technique. I asked him if he had taken anything from Cage's prepared piano experiments and incorporated them in his style, and he told me that more or less his technique finds more of an origin in graphical arts, although i dunno if he meant abstract expressionism in particular, but he may just have mentioned Pollock.... He said he dug Shostakovich too... - --adam - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:15:33 -0500 From: Richard C Williams Subject: Re: looking for Kurt Weill material Fritz Feger wrote: > Which recordings are particularly good, especially - but not restricted to > - with lyrics (i.e. with vocals)? I'm rather fond of "Supply and Demand" by Dagmar Krause on Hannibal, which is a pretty common cut-out bin item. All of the material is either Brecht/Weill or Brecht/Eisler, and Dagmar sounds much more in her element than on the Frith/Cutler cmpositions that she's mostly known for. Rich - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 16:39:31 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Mark yer calendars 10/17 at the Knitting Factory An improv evening with : Glenn Branca Rudolph Grey Z'ev Dust off those earplugs! Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 03:33:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Coleman Greene Subject: Re: Tzadik Website Hm, I would present an educated guess, and say its due to Zorn stopping the realaudio broadcasts of him at the knit, forcing changes to be made, then moving to greener, if not air-conditioned, pastures. It is extremely likely that Zorn wants little or nothing to do w/so called 'knitmedia' anymore. I don't know how many of you witnessed the Masada show when he went nuts over them broadcasting to the tap bar, and over the internet, but he wasn't very pleased. And realistically, I dont think a great percentage of artists playing in the main space, had any idea they were being broadcast anywhere but to the tap bar. Expanding the knit is one thing, and the old office is a nice lil space, but I must say, I was quite turned off by being badgered constantly about my undying requirement to 'buy a drink ticket'. Turned out my drink cost a good 4 dollars more than my drink ticket.... Somehow i wasn't suprised Anyhow, Coleman On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:15:32 UT peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote: > > Anyone know what's up with the Tzadik site? It hasn't been updated since like, late May. > Are they going to keep up with that? > Does anyone know what's new out there from them? > What's coming? Looks like a typical KF behavior: on January 1st everybody decides to get t heir actstogether and stop messing around, then, after a few weeks/months, things are stopped without any notice or explanation. Is it that can't keep any solid staff, and rely too much on kids with short attention span (or kids than they quickly delude)? Michael Dorf should know by now that getting a larger space is one thing, but being able to build and keep a good staff is another. I am seriously wondering if he has the slightest managerial skill... Patrice (appaled by the "news" section on the KF web site). - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:58:28 -0400 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: VINYL/CD Sale ... Hi, I'm having a vinyl sale (a couple CDs too, for right now). About 30 items. Instead of cluttering the list with all the titles, I've placed them (and basic info) at the following website: http://www.astro.utoronto.ca/~carey/sofa/sale.html If you are browser challenged, I can email you the list. Just let me know. The list includes, among other things ... _lots_ of Scorn (some rare), Quoit, Possible 12"s, Pan(a)sonic (limited), Godflesh, Porter Ricks, Microstoria, L@N, Borbetomagus, Hijokaidan, Solmania etc. Thanks for looking. - -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:56:43 +0800 From: "Chris Hunter" Subject: CD Shops in Tokyo I'm hoping to make it to Japan next month and while there hope to hear as much as possible of the free/jazz/improv music that you hear on the Tzadik and Avant labels etc. When I was last there (years ago) it seemed that while the major stores such as Tower Records had massive ranges of the categories they chose to cover (Rock, Jazz, J-pop, enka, classic etc) I don't recall seeing much marginal stuff. Can anyone recommend any venues or CD shops in Tokyo ( or Fukuoka ) with a more radical bent? - -- Cheers, Chris huntch@vianet.net.au "The study of 'non-Euclidian' geometry brings nothing to students but fatigue, vanity, arrogance and imbecility. 'Non-Euclidian' space is the false invention of demons, who gladly furnish the dark understandings of the 'non-euclidians' with false knowledge. The non-Euclidians, like the ancient sophists, see unaware that their understandings have become obscured by the promptings of the evil spirits". Matthew Ryan - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:48:08 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: CD Shops in Tokyo At 09:56 PM 8/5/98 +0800, Chris Hunter wrote: >I'm hoping to make it to Japan next month and while there hope to hear as >much as possible of the free/jazz/improv music that you hear on the Tzadik >and Avant labels etc. > Well it's been a few years since I have been there but Wave in Tokyo was the place. However, there were numerous stores in the Akihabara that had much broader selections than one would find in the US. Jeff Spirer B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/ Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:52:12 +0200 From: "Hugues Roulon" Subject: Re: Riessler > >can someone recommend any Michael Riessler cds? if anyone has any of >his cds that they could tape for me , please let me know privately and >i can do something in exchange... Hywel Davies I bought, perhaps two years ago, a record named Palude with Michael Riessler on sax and calrinet, Valentin Clastrier on Hurdy-gurdy and Carlo Rizzo on tambourine. A good record trying to create a "new hing" by mixing the roots of european traditionnal music and modern composition and improvisation. I'm always amazed when I listen to the things Carlo Rizzo can play with a single tambourine! Hugues Roulon hroulon@club-internet.fr http://www.fennec.digiweb.fr - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #431 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com