From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #432 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, August 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 432 In this issue: - shelley hirsch Re: Marclay about Norman Yamada's THE SAD SMILES OF THE YOUNG... Thomas Chapin's Death Re: Thomas Chapin's Death Re:Shelley Hirsch Selling again......:-) graewe+houle+leandre=? Re: naked city video Re: naked city video Re: naked city video Re: naked city video Re: naked city video Mori+Coleman+Lindsay+Ribot+Kang Bloodcount NAKED CITY DISCS Re: naked city video naked city Comma to perform with Baltimore's John Berndt praxis-metatron relatively cheap stuff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:04:59 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: shelley hirsch Matthew Ross Davis: Matthew> I'm particularly interested in finding out more about Matthew> Shelley Hirsch; anyone have any clues as to what her Matthew> other projects are? Joseph Zitt mentioned her collaboration with David Weinstein, but today, as I'm blissfully ignoring my colleages, listening to the first Filmworks on headphones, and there's this lovely ethereal voice in the last set of pieces (She Must Be Seeing Things). I reach to the cover to see who it is, and lo and behold it's Shelley Hirsch. And that reminds me that she has a track on the Burt Bacharach tribute album as well. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change. Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:08:28 -0400 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: Marclay I've seen at least one of his installations here in New York at the Whitney a few years ago. It was a tape spool unwinding onto floor into a big pile. As for future activities, here's an interview excerpt: Otomo Yoshihide is someone I'm working with right now on a collaboration for Asphodel. He's an interesting DJ and really knows how to improvise with the records. He has great energy. Then there is the New York illbient scene with DJs like Olive, The Audio Janitor, and Toshio Kajiwara. They're always telling me about other kids doing interesting things and I'm just discovering new things through them. I've collaborated with Toshio and Olive in group improvisations. The other project I'm releasing with Asphodel is a compilation of live recordings that I've done over the last year with some of these younger DJ's. These are live performances. It's not a solo project -- when you think DJs, you think of them as solo artists with big egos. But if the turntable is really an instrument then why not have a band and play the instrument in combination with others. To react to sounds that don't come out of your own records, that's the ultimate challenge for a DJ. I've been trying for many years now to push this notion of the DJ as a band member, and I have been interested in groups of DJ's improvising together like a jazz band. So this record will be really featuring the instrument as a collaborative tool. It's hard to tell who's doing what when you're listening to these recordings. There's certain stylistics particular to each DJ, but when you hear a skipping loop, you think 'who's doing it' but who cares really? The result is a real collaborative effort and you have to listen to all these sounds democratically. The whole thing's up at http://www.furious.com/perfect/christianmarclay.html Jason - -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:40:29 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: about Norman Yamada's THE SAD SMILES OF THE YOUNG... I found mention of the following record in the liner notes of Norman Yamada's last one (BEING AND TIME, on Tzadik): - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - THE SAD SMILES OF THE YOUNG NASHVILLIANS: Norman Yamada ???? - Kattywampus (???), ??? (??) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Does anybody know about it? I would specially like to know: - when was it released? - what is the label (never heard of it)? - who is playing on the record? - catalog number? Thanks, Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 16:59:48 PDT From: "John Dikeman" Subject: Thomas Chapin's Death Anybody know exactly how and when Thomas Chapin died? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:00:00 -0500 From: James Hale Subject: Re: Thomas Chapin's Death John Dikeman wrote: > > Anybody know exactly how and when Thomas Chapin died? Leukemia, on Feb. 14. James Hale - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:09:41 EDT From: Subject: Re:Shelley Hirsch I'm sure anybody has yet mentioned the Butch Morris record "Homeing" where Hirsch is prominantly featured. I think it's on sound aspects. It's been a while since I've listened to it but I remember enjoying it quite a bit. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:08:47 EDT From: Subject: Selling again......:-) Fellow Zornophiles, For those of you that have been patronizing my CD sale lists (and anyone else for that matter), I've recently added quite a few items. Email me for the latest version of the list. Thanks in advance! Dale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:44:47 PDT From: "Scott Handley" Subject: graewe+houle+leandre=? I seem to hear a lot of talk on this list about Joelle Leandre and Francois Houle, both of whom I intend to check out. But how about the below release w/my man Georg Graewe? LIVE AT BANLIEUES BLEUES Joëlle Léandre, bass, voice; Georg Graewe, piano; François Houle, clarinet. Bei-spiel (05.42), Halos (02.57), From limbo (02.53), Aizi (03.22), Démonique (01.26), Qalam (04.29), Such as it is (03.15), Shekinah (03.39), Let the thus be (04.00), Anaphora (03.57), Cracks and clouds (02.54), Lumière irréparable de l'aurore (08.09), Aizimen (05.02). Recorded at Banlieues Bleues, Paris on 11 April 1996. Haven't heard it, haven't heard anything about it...but wow! The firepower. Anyone heard it? - --scott ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:59:00 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: naked city video I just received a copy of the Naked City Marquee Club video. It's available for $25 + $5 shipping (unless you happen to be in Chicago) from: VideoBeat Music Videos 2616 N Clark Street Chicago, IL 60614 773-871-6667 FAX: 773-872-1482 VideoBeat@aol.com (They also have a Web page, but I've misplaced the URL.) They have quite a collection, and I got it within 6 days of wandering into the store and asking about it. Scott Handley wrote: > > Thanks to patrice, this info has been on the web for a while (check the > videography at the end of his goliathan JZ mediography): > > NAKED CITY AT THE MARQUEE CLUB, NYC: 4/9/92 - 120 min. video - 9 (filmed > right after RADIO session) - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:02:38 EDT From: Subject: Re: naked city video In a message dated 8/8/98 12:02:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzitt@humansystems.com writes: > I just received a copy of the Naked City Marquee Club video. It's > available for $25 + $5 shipping (unless you happen to be in Chicago) > from: > > VideoBeat Music Videos > 2616 N Clark Street > Chicago, IL 60614 > 773-871-6667 FAX: 773-872-1482 > VideoBeat@aol.com > (They also have a Web page, but I've misplaced the URL.) What a RIP OFF!! And not to mention the audacity to sell a bootlegged, audience shot video. That Marquee show was also professionally shot, and aired on Japanese TV, but it was only about an hours worth, and I bet this place is selling 120 minutes of the audience shot video (like that place in MA was doing). The whole show was about 150 minutes. Anyways, this is bad news!!! Stay away from this place! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:16:55 EDT From: Subject: Re: naked city video In a message dated 98-08-08 16:06:24 EDT, IOUaLive1@aol.com writes: << What a RIP OFF!! And not to mention the audacity to sell a bootlegged, audience shot video. >> This is an area I'm very familiar with but not involved in - $25 is the going rate for any bootlegged video. Its a buyer-driven market, just like bootleg audio. If people want it, and its available, they'll buy it. Dale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 17:32:54 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: naked city video IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: > What a RIP OFF!! And not to mention the audacity to sell a bootlegged, > audience shot video. That Marquee show was also professionally shot, and > aired on Japanese TV, but it was only about an hours worth, and I bet this > place is selling 120 minutes of the audience shot video (like that place in MA > was doing). The whole show was about 150 minutes. Anyways, this is bad > news!!! Stay away from this place! I've only watched the first half hour of it (which, if I guess correctly) is a performance of Leng T'che. I was wondering what was with the other cameraman seen occasionally on stage. So: if the professional video is so much better, and if we should stay away from what appears to be the only other video document of the band in action, including 90 minutes (yes, it's 150 minutes of video) that the professional video omits -- please tell us how we might be able to see the supposedly superior version. - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:35:07 EDT From: Subject: Re: naked city video A few years ago, I too would have dropped 25 bucks for this video. People will obviously spend the money. But I was just letting people know that this is an audience shot video and not professionally done (the place selling it may neglect to mention that in their catalog...). My point was- try and find it somewhere else, find someone who will trade you a copy for free. And if you search hard enough you can also get a copy of the pro-shot version. Believe me, if I had the time I'd make copies of this for everyone that wanted one. So search around first, but if all else fails and 25$ seems like a bargain to you, then by all means buy it. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:28:14 +0200 From: "Felix" Subject: Mori+Coleman+Lindsay+Ribot+Kang WOW! Last night I witnessed to one of the most amazing shows since Zorn brought Masada to Portugal. Opening was Carlos Zingaro (violin) with Gunther Müller (percussion), Otomo Yoshinide (turntables and guitar) and another portuguses Emidio Buchinho (guitar). They were great, specially Yoshinide and Müller, who kept making these weird sounds. I strongly suggest them. Oval was interesting, and the guy was on stage only for about half an hour so it didn't get too annoying. Then came the ones I was hoping for - Ikue Mori, Anthony Coleman, Marc Ribot, Eyvind Kang and Arto Lindsay, all together. They were a little uninspired at first, and there were some stupid people booing their sounds, but then they showed what they were really made off. Ikue Mori was very peacefull and serene. Is she always like that when playing live? Kang and Ribot were always twisting in their chairs. Lindsay had this look like he was having the time of his life and Coleman I couldn't see because of the seat I was in, but his playing was awe inspiring (specially his solo with piano, organ and effects). All in all it was a great show and the crowd ended up crying for two encores. BTW, I reccomend the following portuguese artists and guarantee their quality: Carlos Zingaro (whom I spoke off above) and Nuno Rebelo (a guitarrist who makes wonderful experimental music to acompany contemporary dancing). Felix jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: jascha Subject: Bloodcount The other day i was listening to the Bloodcount 3cd set at a store, and my random samplings of the three discs landed me at the first song of the 'average daze' disc, 'loose ends'. EGAD! I've never quite heard anything like it. The stuff on the other discs didn't strike as being transcendentally cool as that song did, so i'm wondering: i'm too short of cash to go around buying 3cd sets because of one song, but i could afford to send a blank tape and a SASE to some kind Bloodcount fan who could maybe copy that song for me, and perhapse a sampling of other transcendentally cool tracks from the other CDs so that i might later go and buy one of my very own (...see, it's not copywrite violation, it's advertising...). What are the other albums like, anyway? The long, long tracks on the other discs of the set were good, but wouldn't be something i'd listen to over and over again. any more stuff along the lines of 'loose ends'? To my faceless, tape-making e-friend, whoever you are - thanks!, -jascha - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:37:56 EDT From: Subject: NAKED CITY DISCS hello friends abroad. i am interested in naked city. i own the self-titled album and abstinthe and bought radio today. now everyone i've talked to doesn't really think highly of radio, and i want to know why. i think it's an excellent disc, which is certainly better than abstinthe. it's quite interesting. there is some really funky shit on hear, and the eye screaming is somewhat tolerable. so i wanna hear it. what is the problem everyone has with this album?and if you like it, then support it like i have. also i'd love to hear some reviews/synopsis' of grand guignol and heretic. i've heard some of the classical stuff from gg and i like it. oh and also what is this radio v. 2 thing? the FAQ says it's never been released or anything, or even recorded, but i'd like to know some more. thanx alex - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:08:27 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: naked city video Good points. If I can find the professional video around at a non-pain-inducing price, I'll definitely grab it, my interest having been piqued by the bootleg. I hadn't found either around before, and the bootleg seemed worth the $25 gamble when I stumbled across it. Others' mileage may vary. (BTW, who is the long-haired guy who was trading screams with Y.Eye?) IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: > > A few years ago, I too would have dropped 25 bucks for this video. People > will obviously spend the money. But I was just letting people know that this > is an audience shot video and not professionally done (the place selling it > may neglect to mention that in their catalog...). My point was- try and find > it somewhere else, find someone who will trade you a copy for free. And if > you search hard enough you can also get a copy of the pro-shot version. > Believe me, if I had the time I'd make copies of this for everyone that wanted > one. So search around first, but if all else fails and 25$ seems like a > bargain to you, then by all means buy it. > > - - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:16:14 EDT From: Subject: naked city >(BTW, who is the long-haired guy who was trading screams with Y.Eye?) kevin sharp from brutal truth - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:24:32 -0500 From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Comma to perform with Baltimore's John Berndt Comma, of which I am a third (along with Tom Bickley and Joe Zitt), is performing this Saturday for those who are interested: Saturday, August 15: Brend and Bend with John Berndt, saxophone, self-built instruments and electronics 8:00 PM, $5 Ruthless Grip Art Project 1508 U Street, NW Washington, DC 20009 The evening will consist of mostly free improvisation with some structure= d improv thrown in. Comma will perform a few pieces from their repertory, followed by a solo by John Berndt, then concluding with all four in simultaneous/synchronous music making. I hope those who can will come! It's our last concert at Ruthless Grip th= is summer. The final concert of the Comma:summer::new:music series will be o= n September 19th, "Masses of Time, Cycles of Light: Stockhausen at 70" at t= he University of Maryland and will feature a portion of "Tierkreis" along wi= th selections from "Aus den Sieben Tagen" and "F=FCr Kommende Zeiten." More information about Comma:summer::new:music can be found on our web pages at http://www.artswire.org/comma/csnm On another note, the three members of Comma will be featured Monday eveni= ng (that's August 10) on live radio, WMUC FM, 88.1 in the College Park, MD area. WMUC is also available via the Internet and RealAudio, so go to http://www.wmuc.umd.edu and follow the links to the RealAudio page and tu= ne us in! Contact me if you need directions to Ruthless Grip! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | | | | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | UMD school of music | | | | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:43:31 -0500 From: jtalbot@massart.edu Subject: praxis-metatron i have a copy of praxis "metatron" on cd. i am lookin to trade this for another cd. if anybody is interested please respond privately. thanks jason jtalbot@massart.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:25:34 PDT From: "Scott Handley" Subject: relatively cheap stuff I hope nobody gets annoyed by this, but for those who haven't noticed, CDNow is concurrently having a sale and discount, which ends tomorrow. I just thought it'd be relevant because I picked up (on backorder, of course) a couple Winter & Winter releases and Towering Inferno's KADDISH. The W&W "jazz" stuff is $13. And if you fiddle around and go to "IMUSIC.com" you can get a $10 discount. This expires tomorrow. I am in no way connected to CDNow, but I now we could all save coins. If this is spam, correct me, and apologies. - --scott ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #432 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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