From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #453 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, September 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 453 In this issue: - Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland Marc Ribot Reviews Re: Marc Ribot amsterdam Re: Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland Re: Masada songbook Recent Goodie spy vs spy Book review: Roger Sutherland, _New Perspectives in Music_ Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland Marc Ribot Zorn's Touring Habits/Chicago Praxis Tour - West Coast Re: Praxis Tour - West Coast Re: Praxis Tour - West Coast Spy Vs. Spy tzadik web page Re: Reviews Zorn on the internet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:23:39 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland Was anyone - else - on this list at the Masada gig in Edinburgh, last Friday (28th)? Sean - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:26:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase) Subject: Marc Ribot Is Marc Ribot touring to support his latest release? Does anyone have the dates? I live in New Orleans, and for a jazz city, No one seems interested in playing here. I fear I may have to fly to SF, New York, or the likes, to see Zorn and the boys. - -Theo - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:58:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase) Subject: Reviews JZ - SPILLANE A must have for any Zorn fan! NAKED CITY - SELF TITLED ALBUM fantastic, marvelous, the inroduction to a new band in which every musician is an obvious superior talent. another must have. NAKED CITY - RADIO a new direction with any loss of intensity. dare I say another must have. NAKED CITY - TORCHER GARDEN brilliantly brutal. not for the weak stomach. an unmatched intensity for intensity's sake. amazing, but you'd better be in the mood. FILM-WORKS 1 somewhat different from the other film-works cds' in terms of the consistant sound. very interesting. the beginings of a swing naked city sound toward the end of the disc. FILM-WORKS 3 Marc Ribot, Joey Baron, hell, everyone does a fine job. a hint of traditional jazz slapped in the face. a serious problem if you don't have it yet. even though a lot of the songs are short,--it means nothing. fantastic. FILM WORKS 5 a spacey groove type disc. each song last anywhere from 48 seconds to 1:12. 48 songs. don't let that fool you. Ribot is in top form again! very, very good. FILM-WORKS 6 the first 4 songs you've got to fall in love with. Marc Ribot is absolutely astonishing. Also, on track 3 Zorn takes one of the finest sax solos EVER. some of the disc is evasive, but where it shines bright, it surpasses all expectations. It's a must have! FILM WORKS 8 stunning. a certainty. if you don't have this album buy it next! 22 tracks of pure bliss. CLASSIC GUIDE TO STRATEGY maybe only for the Zorn completist. lots of passion. strange. Zorn treads water by himself constructing new instruments out of god knows what. (mostly sax and clarinet pieces) did I hear a kazoo? watch out for this one. JZ SPY VS. SPY crazy! I'm not sure if I like it. I don't think I do. the band is made up of 2 drummers, 2 saxes, and a bass guitar. each sax is panned totally left and right. furious. must be played loud, if played at all. only for the Zorn completist. JZ/Yamataka EYE very crazy, although I like it more than spy vs. spy. kind of what you might expect from mike patton's 3rd release. maybe only for the Zorn competist. JZ ELEGY featuring Trey Spruance, Mike Patton, William Winant, among others. dark. symphonic. very strange. slow. dramatic. buy the others before you get this one. Just in case you wondered about someone's perception. - -Theo - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:06:15 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Marc Ribot On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:26:43 -0500 (CDT) Theo Klaase wrote: > > Is Marc Ribot touring to support his latest release? Does anyone have > the dates? I live in New Orleans, and for a jazz city, No one seems > interested in playing here. I fear I may have to fly to SF, New York, > or the likes, to see Zorn and the boys. He was recently touring with Martin/Medeski/Wood and his band was the opening act. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Burton Subject: amsterdam "Hey, do you think anyone on Zorn list has the low-down on the avant/under/indie music scene in Amsterdam?-jpn" i just got this question from a friend. any off-list replies would be greatly appreciated. b - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:42:04 +0100 From: "richard gardner" Subject: Re: Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland - -----Original Message----- From: DR S WILKIE To: Zorn List Digest Date: 02 September 1998 16:16 Subject: Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland >Was anyone - else - on this list at the Masada gig in Edinburgh, last >Friday (28th)? > >Sean > >- > I was certainly there and I must say it was one of the greatest gigs of my life. Thank God Masada have finally come to the UK. Big shocks: John Zorn no glasses and shoulder length hair. The band set up their own gear no big crew. But biggest shock of all no PA only a small bass amp. One number was 191 does this mean Masada have a list of at least 190 tunes to call on?! Music for the Gods! Richard G - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 13:53:33 -0400 From: Caleb Deupree Subject: Re: Masada songbook >>>>> "richard" == richard gardner writes: richard> One number was 191 does this mean Masada have a list of richard> at least 190 tunes to call on?! The lines notes for Filmworks 8 say that there are around 200 songs in the Masada songbook, not all of which are appropriate for the Masada quartet (which is why they show up on Filmworks 8, which has groups with different instrumentation). - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change. Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:35:53 -0500 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Recent Goodie The Lounge Lizards "Queen of All Ears" is excellent. You should all get this and hear it. The rhythm section carries the album along very well. The compositions are like butter but they taste better, more like candy. That's all. Dan - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:40:17 EDT From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: spy vs spy >JZ SPY VS. SPY crazy! I'm not sure if I like it. I don't think I do. the band is made up of 2 drummers, 2 saxes, and a bass guitar. each sax is panned totally left and right. furious. must be played loud, if played at all. only for the Zorn completist. i actually LOVE this record. usually when people tell me they just got it, they subsequently say, "its kinda hard to listen to. it might take some getting used to." if you like ornette, obviously you'll appreciate this record. $0.02 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:32:09 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Book review: Roger Sutherland, _New Perspectives in Music_ The material in this book covers experimental music on both sides of the Atlantic since WWII, and thus relates most obviously to the Cage list. However, its discussion of Fluxus and improvisation pertain to several recent threads on the Zorn list, so I'm sending this review to both. My apologies to those who receive it twice. Roger Sutherland is a member of the improvising group Morphogenesis and has been active in music since the late 1960s, when he was a member of the (in)famous Scratch Orchestra. His involvement makes him well qualified to write this wide ranging collection of articles about new music, _New Perspectives in Music_ (sun tavern fields, London, 1994), starting from Russolo and Cowell, through IRCAM and AMM. 100 of the 240 pages are devoted to the European avant-garde, 80 to the American experimentalists, and the remainder to a miscellaneous 'Transatlantic Perspectives.' I have to open with a slight disappointment. With a pub date of 1994, I expected more information on recent developments, whereas most of the musicians and artists whose work is discussed here belong to the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s. He opens with the setting of Luigi Russolo in his rightful place as the first purveyor of complex sounds we call noise taking the place of music, a decade before Varese's best known pieces, then moves on to Webern, from whom descend the absolute serialism practiced by the Europeans Stockhausen and Boulez, and the relative chaos practiced by the Americans of the New York School (Cage et al.). This dichotomy between chaos and order informs the whole book. However, even discussing these seminal musicians and composers, there is still quite a bit of material not generally covered elsewhere. He has chapters on Cage (the longest chapter in the book, but not covering the later works at all), Stockhausen, Nono and Parmegiani, two on Xenakis, live electronics (including not only Cartridge Music and Mikrophonie, but also works by Alvin Lucier, Richard Teitelbaum, and David Tudor), improvisation (AMM, MEV, the Taj Mahal Travellers), imaginary orchestras (IRCAM), and sound sculptures (Hugh Davies, Partch, Bertoia). Each chapter has a bibliography and discography, and many are illustrated with the graphic scores that were so much a part of the period. There are several photographs, a more extensive bibliography (both general and specific) in the back, and biographies of most of the major composers. Access to the DGG Avant Garde series and other vinyl classics which haven't been reissued on CD would be helpful, although the discography specifically mentions currently available CDs. His discussion of Fluxus puts the discussion of wankery which we had recently into some kind of perspective (I think placing flowers on a piano and titling this 'Piano Piece 1962' (George Brecht) could constitute wankery in some measure). The best chapters (on improvisation and sound sculpture) showed me the continuum between much of the contemporary music I find interesting (including Polwechsel, Evan Parker's Electroacoustic Ensemble, Zorn's game pieces, and Butch Morris's conductions) and the music which got me started down this road years ago (Cage and Stockhausen), which I had forgotten along with the dusty records in the basement. Overall a fascinating read. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:43:32 +0200 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Re: Masada in Bonny Scotland The Masada String trio played something like "218" and they had a huge pile of music-sheets with them. YVes - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:52:32 +0200 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Marc Ribot Anyone knows if there is a more or less complete Marc Ribot-discography on the net ? YVes - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:21:25 -0600 From: dennis summers Subject: Zorn's Touring Habits/Chicago I can't speak for Chicago, but the guys who book shows here in Detroit, say that JZ charges a hell of a lot of money (more than most "fringe" acts), and they don't think they could make it back. yours in zornocity --ds ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:12:53 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Praxis Tour - West Coast This is a more or less final schedule for the West Coast tour of Praxis. Sept 17 San Diego, Belly Up Sept 18 Santa Barbara, probably at the Ventura Theater Sept 19 LA, Troubador Sept 20 SF, Slim's Previously announced dates in Seattle/Portland/Vancouver look like they won't happen. Lineup is Buckethead, Bill Laswell, Brain, and a DJ. Jeff Spirer B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/ Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ Jeff Spirer B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/ Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:52:09 -0700 From: "Keith McMullen" Subject: Re: Praxis Tour - West Coast This is a more or less final schedule for the West Coast tour of Praxis. Sept 18 Santa Barbara, probably at the Ventura Theater _________________________ So on the 18th I get to see Praxis in Ventura (not SB if it's the Ventura Theater), on the 20th--Picasso from MOMA at LACMA, on the 21st--Tim Berne in LA at New Music Modays. As they say in Southern California: BITCHIN' DUDE. Keith - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:32:55 -0700 From: "Keith McMullen" Subject: Re: Praxis Tour - West Coast Chadbourne's in Ventura CA this weekend. Friday for free solo at The Daily Grind. Sunday for $6 in a trio with two turntable-ists at Art City II. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:00:22 +0400 From: "Edward Lutiy" Subject: Spy Vs. Spy Sulacco@aol.com wrote: >JZ SPY VS. SPY >crazy! I'm not sure if I like it. I don't think I do. the band is >made up of 2 drummers, 2 saxes, and a bass guitar. each sax is panned ~~~~~~~~ I think Mark Dresser plays acoustic bass on the record. Maybe I'm wrong? Anyone knows records where Mark plays electric bass? Second soundtrack on Filmworks 1986-1990??? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 16:15:03 -0700 From: Anne & Dan Dellosso Subject: tzadik web page has anyone tried to order any of the new cds from the tzadik web page, i've tried but the messages don't seem to be going through. just wondering if anyone has had success with it . or even if the page is operating. also does anyone have any info on when the rerecorded "godard" cd is coming out. dan - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:36:13 +0200 From: "Felix" Subject: Re: Reviews I thought I'd comment on your reviews and add a few of my own. >JZ - SPILLANE >A must have for any Zorn fan! Definately! The album is amazing! >NAKED CITY - SELF TITLED ALBUM >fantastic, marvelous, the inroduction to a new band in which every >musician is an obvious superior talent. another must have. > >NAKED CITY - RADIO >a new direction with any loss of intensity. dare I say another must >have. These are albums that I constantely hear. I find myself singing the tunes in this album in the most akward situations. Think Radio is better, more coherent, better production sound, but that's just a matter of opinion. >NAKED CITY - TORCHER GARDEN >brilliantly brutal. not for the weak stomach. an unmatched intensity >for intensity's sake. amazing, but you'd better be in the mood. I hope you mean Torture Garden... This album is not only brutal, it defines brutality. It's amazing to see that set of excellent musicians going wild like they were playing grind core or something. Particularly like the Zorn/Eye duels (screams vs. sax). >FILM-WORKS 1 >somewhat different from the other film-works cds' in terms of the >consistant sound. very interesting. the beginings of a swing naked >city sound toward the end of the disc. This one has definately a Naked City primitive feel to it, but I think that feel is throughout the whole album, not just the end. The end is full of those marvellous horror-movie-like tunes, like Death Waltz Fantasy (a complete surprise, I never imagined Zorn doing stuff like that before hearing it). >FILM-WORKS 6 >the first 4 songs you've got to fall in love with. Marc Ribot is >absolutely astonishing. Also, on track 3 Zorn takes one of the finest >sax solos EVER. some of the disc is evasive, but where it shines >bright, it surpasses all expectations. It's a must have! I think Ribot is absolutely excellent in this album! I like the tracks with Mori too. Friedlander and Fldman basically go wild! Zorn's playing with the saounds of the elements takes a while getting used to, however. But it's definately a must have! >JZ ELEGY >featuring Trey Spruance, Mike Patton, William Winant, among others. >dark. symphonic. very strange. slow. dramatic. buy the others before >you get this one. I did the opposite. This was the first Zorn album I ever bought. And I only came to appreciate it after some serious listening. Now it's one of my favourites. (Funny how I was telling myself that I shouldn't have begun with the likes of this album when I started hearing Zorn's music...) And I have these to add: JOHN ZORN - KRISTALLNACHT I was once subscribed to the Echo Canyon Sonic Youth mailing list. There once was a guy who asked around for help in buying Zorn material. I suggested this album among others and a few days later, I received a mail bomb from a guy that said that Kristallnacht was a Nazi album. I never heard of such ignorance. I had to calmly reply to him that it's not possible for Krystallnacht to be a Nazi album because of obvious reasons that you must be familiar with. The guy never replied. Anyway, this album is very good, full of jewish memories. Appeals specially for the Masada fans, but for those who can take Elegy too. With Wynant, Feldman, Friedlander, Krakauer and Frank London. NAKED CITY - GRAND GUIGNOL I'm not sure how this album came to being and where, but it's very good. Includes Troture Garden, but the rest is not like it at all. First track is a lengthy original, sort of ambient. The rest are curious adaptations of classics like Debussy (La Cathdrale Englutie), for example. A must have, if you can find it. NAKED CITY - ABSINTHE The weirdest (and last, I think) Naked City album. Doesn't feature Eye, and the rest of the guys are hardly recognized in the playing. This is one of the best ambient albums I've heard. It's very dark and moody, sometimes scary. This is one of the albums I play less, but definately one of my favourites. MYSTIC FUGU ORCHESTRA - ZOHAR Zorn and Eye. Weird, very weird. For the Zorn completist. Zorn plays a little organ (I think) and Eye sings little tunes and ditties (no words), with alot (and I DO mean ALOT) of background noise, as though it were a very old record. Felix jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 21:07:48 -0600 From: Barry Gilbert Subject: Zorn on the internet Pardon my shameless plug, but I've moved my Zorn radio show from my local community radio station to an internet radio station. The show is called Zornithology and is aired on a new site: www.radioM.com. It currently airs Mondays at 8PM, and repeated Wednesdays at 5 PM and Fridays at 8PM (all times eastern). Each show is an hour long and focuses on specific areas of Zorn's music. This week's show covers his coolaborations with Chadbourne, next week is about Cobra, and subsequent shows will cover his bebop stuff, cartoon-related stuff, and more. Check it out and send feedback. I welcome any input. Barry Gilbert Boulder, Colorado - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #453 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? 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