From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #488 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, October 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 488 In this issue: - Re: Elvis C., Burt B., and... Bill Frisell? Re: Touch Of Evil Re: Touch Of Evil was Re: Touch Of Evil, now "Big Sleep" and still no Zorn Re: Touch Of Evil Raymond Scott ???? & How many CDs does Zorn sell? Re: Dave Douglas Re: filing Re: filing, still no JZ Re: OC-Boxoffice. Re: West Coast Masada Re: Filing Re: Gabriela eugene chadbourne drum 'n' bass Bar Kokhba Recent Goodies ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:29:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Turner Subject: Re: Elvis C., Burt B., and... Bill Frisell? > > << For those who have been wondering when Bill Frisell was going to make > an appearance in their city anytime soon, we here at Songline / Tone > Field, wanted to let you know that he has taken this year "off" from > touring and spent the last 6 months (and will spend the next 5 or 6) in > a state of hyper productivity. Maybe so, but he's doing solo shows in the Bay Area this weekend. - -- Mark Turner | "Jazzadelica" with Rocky Rococo on KFJC mturner@netcom.com | Sundays 10pm-2am, 89.7 FM, Los Altos Hills, CA - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:55:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: Touch Of Evil On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, DR S WILKIE wrote: > Jon Abbey was off to see the re-edited version of this. How was it > Jon? just go see it. the re-edit adds a real clarifying linearity to the storyline. it's much edgier than the original edit. > By the way, has anyone here seen the 1945 cut of The Big Sleep, > pulled when To Have And (To) Have Not went down a storm, and they > decided to beef up Bacall's role. It came round last year when I was > away on holiday. "big sleep" is without a doubt the most convoluted storyline in film noir and while the re-edit managed to extricate the plot somewhat, it is really best just to enjoy the cinematography and interplay between bogart and bacall. from what i remember, i liked the new edit a little bit better than the original. b - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:06:13 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Touch Of Evil On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Brent Burton wrote: > > "big sleep" is without a doubt the most convoluted storyline in film > noir and while the re-edit managed to extricate the plot somewhat, it Even William Faulkner could not answer the question about who killed the driver!!! Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:18:25 -0400 From: "Chris Barre{t" Subject: was Re: Touch Of Evil, now "Big Sleep" and still no Zorn >"big sleep" is without a doubt the most convoluted storyline in film >noir and while the re-edit managed to extricate the plot somewhat, it >is really best just to enjoy the cinematography and interplay between >bogart and bacall. from what i remember, i liked the new edit a little >bit better than the original. > >b > >- Haven't seen the new (or old) edit yet. Is it out on video? I love this movie, but everytime I see it I remember how confusing the plot (and convoluted) really is. The whole Bogey-Bacall thing here though is pretty extraordinary. "That's what the man said, he said that." - -Chris - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:35:02 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Touch Of Evil In a message dated 10/1/98 11:58:50 AM, bburton@CapAccess.org wrote: <<> Jon Abbey was off to see the re-edited version of this. How was it > Jon? just go see it. the re-edit adds a real clarifying linearity to the storyline. it's much edgier than the original edit. >> agreed. although I haven't seen the old version in years, and I didn't feel like the changes were quite as massive as I thought they might be. but it's highly recommended, especially if you get to see it on a screen bigger than the minscule one at Film Forum in NYC. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:35:50 -0500 From: Lou Smith Subject: Raymond Scott The best place to go for Raymond Scott details and info is the official web site: or the web site for Basta Records, who've issued many Scott projects: There are 2 other volumes of Soothing Sounds For Baby available -- you can hear clips at the RaymondScott.com site. Basta is set to release a 2-CD collection of more RS electronic recordings, called Manhattan Research Inc. And discussion of Scott is sorta on-topic, in that Zorn has sampled Scott in live performance, and he has discussed the possibility of his releasing even more of Scott's electronic recordings after Basta issues MRI. - -Lou Smith - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:06:42 -0700 >From: Joe Tait >Subject: Raymond Scott >Sort of off-topic, but figured someone would know.... >I recently picked up the columbia reissue of Raymond Scott's "Reckless >Nights and Turkish Twilights" as well as "Sounds for Baby Vol.1" and was >wondering if there are any other releases of his in print (and what they >sound like), as well as how the other Sounds for Baby compare to the >first. >Thanks, >Joe - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:34:23 -0400 (EDT) From: William York Subject: ???? & How many CDs does Zorn sell? Sean Wilkie wrote: > > If we were entirely products of our environment, or our genes, or our > upbringing, then the assertion that we were products of our (fill in > the blank) would just be another product of our (fill in the blank) > and anybody's agreement with it would just be a product of their > own (fill in the blank) ... Such a view doesn't seem extreme, or > radical, but simply incoherent. ???? Is this about the Masada/exotica thread by any chance? > Someone else (sorry, I cut it) wrote: > WARNING ZORN CONTENT FOLLOWS. > This brings me to JZ. His output is very Dicklike in the sense of its volume > and variety. Some have argued that his quality suffers because of this. I'm > sure that he's not getting rich off of this, but does anyone have an idea if > Zorn produces so much, in order to make more money like Dick did? Or just > cause he doesn't sleep at night? Does anyone have any idea how many of these things he sells? I know that the Naked City CD (1st one) has passed 70,000 supposedly, but what about the other stuff? Is the market in Japan that much more than here in the U.S., that is enough to warrant his releasing the big sellers like Masada + Naked City there? OTOH, I saw in the hatArt catalog that the News for Lulu CDs are only borderline unavailable (1 is, isn't, but Cadence has them both). Those were limited ed. 2000 pressings weren't they? Just wondering who buys all these things. (I have 8 and got four of them used). WY - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:19:15 -0500 From: nils Subject: Re: Dave Douglas Something people have not mentioned yet is the Songlines duet record with Han Bennink, Serpentine. I continue to enjoy it regularly, though it lacks the complexity of some of these other larger group recordings. n - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:22:13 -0500 From: nils Subject: Re: filing > "File everything under M." > > : We have a winner. To be honest, the Entropy System, as I term this method of organization, is my preferred method for organizing the music. It keeps the odds and ends from being forgotten. n - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:51:41 -0400 From: "Chris Barrett" Subject: Re: filing, still no JZ >To be honest, the Entropy System, as I term this method of organization, is my >preferred method for organizing the music. It keeps the odds and ends >from being >forgotten. > >n Until recently, this is the method I used, mostly because of taunts from my girlfriend (you're not *really* going to alphabetize them, are you?). When I did she'd do her best to sabotage it...y'know, leaving big piles of CDs out of place, mis-filing them on purpose and giggling the whole time. While I managed to finally break her of the habit of (gasp) leaving CDs out of the cases, lying around, or (even worse) putting the CDs in whatever case was closest no matter how many Cds it contained, I could never get any further. Of course, for all her taunting, she was the one who could never find what she was looking for, often for days or weeks at a time, til she'd break down and ask me.... Now she's gone back to school and lives in a different city. The first thing I did back at the apartment was alphabetize them and catagorize them a bit (though I suspect not as thoroughly as a few here) and not only can I not believe how easy it is to find stuff (they were all filed under "L" for Living Room, "B" for Bedroom or "OL" for On Loan) and how much stuff I haven't listened to years. Of course, I wish I had done this before I loaned many of the CDs I have loaned out, cuz it would be easier to remember at least what I have out on loan. I know, I know, I'm gonna be told I should have a sign out sheet with due dates....at least that's what my new roommate said she'd do..... - -Chris - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:16:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: OC-Boxoffice. If it's the film I'm thinking of, I was able to rent it from a now-defunct video spot a few years back. It's a 1970s muddled show biz tragedy, anti-abortion, musical. OC's "soundtrack" isn't that clear, but there is a scene where he and his band (a version of Prime Time) suddenly appear playing in the midst of a party scene. Other than that, a porno would probably be a more interesting viewing experience. Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Joseph Zitt wrote: > Adam MacGregor wrote: > > > Did Cherry not contribute the soundtrack for Jodorowsky's "The Holy Mountain?" > > I seem to remember it being in a very eastern musical vein...excellent though... > > Only quasi-relatedly: A while back, Ornette Coleman did the soundtrack > a movie named "Box Office". After reading a review of it in Variety > when it played a film festival or something, I haven't heard anything > about it. imdb.com doesn't seem to list it. Did I hallucinate its > existence? Is the movie or soundtrack available anywhere? > > -- > ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- > |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| > ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| > |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:20:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: West Coast Masada If you can find Shorty Rogers playing anywhere these days you have the sort of "connections" all of us would admire. A more appropriate group for WC Masada would probably have to include Shelly Manne and Terry Gibbs for their pioneering "Jewish jazz" sessions. Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, DR S WILKIE wrote: > I was disappointed to find out the truth about this. I rather liked > the idea of Shorty Rogers, Bud Shank, Joe Mondragon and Chico > Hamilton playing Katzatz, Zebdi, Janohah, Lachish, Ziphim, etc. > It sounds great in my head ... I'll have to settle for Masada Play > the Gerry Mulligan quartet songbook instead. > > Sean Wilkie > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:25:22 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Filing In a message dated 10/1/98 8:36:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk writes: > 3) File everything under M for music, unless it isn't. This way you > have lots of space at either end of the alphabet. Unless it's noise, then it goes under "N." You realize this could go on for quite a while...;-) =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:25:24 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Gabriela In a message dated 10/1/98 9:07:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hulinare@bemberg.com.ar writes: > Nice to read something about Gabriela. > As fas as I know, guitar player Pino Marrone, her husband, said that > Gabriela fell in love with Frisell's song Rambler; then she wrote a > letter to producer Lee Townshed just to ask for permission to include > that song in her cd. > Bill asked for a tape of her stuff and not only he accepted her offer > but wanted to be included as a musician. > I didn't listen to the cd but I read a good review in Jazztimes; beyond > any opinion I'll get my copy in the next future. I've been a fan of Cenrtal/South American native folk and pop music for a while, so this Gabriela CD was a buy for me despite the other musicians, though their inclusion made me snatch it out of the bin a bit quicker. Admittedly though, it's not everyone's cup o' tea, i'm sure. > As Frisell plays in this cd, isn't it a Zorn related subject? > Please any light. Sorry- my version of tongue in cheek a/o being a smartass. =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:38:50 +0100 From: Stefan Verstraeten Subject: eugene chadbourne drum 'n' bass Dear Zornies, Yestarday, I picked up some great albums by Eugene Chadbourne: - -Total Tuesday (crazy live recordings from a Switzerland/Holland tour) - -Insect and western (leo records, fully improvised) But I am looking for the following album: Jungle Cookies (on old gold records) I was told that the album really kicks. Apperently, chadbourne did the same stuff as derek bailey on the 'guitar, drum 'n' bass album'. So, my question is, does someone know of an online distributor for this album. I live in Belgium (Europe) and found out that the 'old gold' label doesn't have a distributor here in Belgium. Can someone help me on this please. Best wishes, - -- Stefan Verstraeten - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:13:13 -0400 From: "Vanheumen, Robert" Subject: Bar Kokhba hi yesterday i was at the Bar Kokhba concert in tonic; it was the 'improv night' and i enjoyed it; although it was not as intense as masada, all the different combinations of musicians were very interesting; there was a nice duet of zorn and baron, and a great duet of ribot with this japanese girl playing an instrument i didn't see before, but she told me it was called a kyoto; i do not now if i spelled it right, but does anybody know more about this instrument? i also liked to know the names of this japanese girl and of the drummer (not joey baron of cyro baptista, but the third one)... they are also playing tonight and tomorrownight; go see it! robert - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 10:04:11 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Recent Goodies John Zorn Aporias Tzadik Hard for me to hear this as a major addition to Zorn's canon. The quieter parts are very enjoyable, sometimes moving, in the post-Feldman manner heard in other recent works (Redbird, etc.). The other sections sound a bit too typical of late 20th century orchestral writing: some Xenakis here, some Carter there. I don't find that it coheres very well, even by JZ's standards. My overall impression is of a collection of effects, some more interesting than others; I'd rather have heard each section gone into in more depth. The final two parts, 'Postlude' and 'Coda' I thought held special promise, very somber and mysterious. They're quiet enough, in fact, that I was sitting there enjoying the low, thrumming tones when I realized the disc had been over for a minute and the sounds I was hearing were coming from the building across the way! Ken Vandemark 5 Target or Flag Atavistic A fine follow-up to last year's 'Single Piece Flow'. KV's rollicking quintet (Mars Williams, Jeb Bishop, Kent Kessler and I forget the drummer--Mulvenna?) tear through 8 Vandemark charts, sounding a bit like 70's Braxton with the occasional rockish tinge. Vandemark has a great knack for intricate, propulsive lines that owe, I think, a bit of a debt to British prog, of all things (I could be way off, but I felt the same way about his wonderful piece on the Brotzmann Octet/Tentet release). Imagine a looser early Fripp in a free jazz context. Good stuff, fine playing all around. BTW, is Vandemark the Bizarro World's Ed Wilkerson? Martin Bartlett Burning Water Periplum Bartlett was a US Northwest-based composer (he died in 1994) who developed interactive electronic programs somewhat similar to those by Richard Teitelbaum and George Lewis. This disc features three duets with his program (Peter Hannan on soprano recorder, Lewis, and cellist Frances-Marie Uitti) and one solo piece (all done from 1979-87), all of them fascinating and intriguing. The Hannan piece and the solo title track remind me a bit of Riley circa "Shri Camel" but, IMHO, these are better and dispense with any New Age patina. The program's responsiveness to the performers is often fairly clear, but no less interesting for that, the sounds tending toward the consonant and even lush. Very enjoyable work, ranging from humorous (some Sun Ra-esque synth sounds on the title piece) to deeply thoughtful and moving (the Lewis and Uitti pieces, especially the latter). Find it and give a listen. Available from Forced Exposure, Anamolous and other on-line sources. Periplum, incidentally, is a label run by z-lister Herb Levy. I picked this up from Herb at last week's Pauline Oliveros/Ellen Fullman concert at Columbia University, which featured Fullman's Long Stringed Instrument. The LSI consists of about 150 (piano?) wires, strung through three resonators, extending to a length of nearly 100 feet. Tuning is accomplished by small C-clamps hung at appropriate intervals (it's a wonderful _looking_ machine). The perfomers (there were three here), walk inside the instrument, stroking or strumming the strings with rosined hands. The sound tends to be eerily high with overtones though, in this context, which included much electronic processing, it was often difficult to tell exactly who or what was producing a given sound. I'd be interested to hear it in a solo, unprocessed context. Oliveros' music is often a bit too newagey or quasi-ritualistic for my taste and some of that came to the fore here, the sounds themselves often being more enjoyable than the musical content. Her piece was a long, fairly static one, filled with quiet "exotic" sounds, the type of music that, to me, works better in an ambient situation than in concert format where I find myself looking for more "meat" to bite into. Stuart Dempster followed with a didjeridoo number in similar territory. Fullman's own piece got into subtly different, more rewarding areas; there was a degree of obsessive concentration about it that was refreshing. Towrds the end, when some banjo-like effects were achieved on the LSI, there was a great sense of release after intense rumination. The last work was a remix of Oliveros' and Fullman's music with live performance by DJ Spooky (on mutant electric bass and sampler) which livened things up a few notches. At one point a very loud, raucous cascade of recorded tablas burst from the speakers, no doubt causing many a mood ring to glow red. Spooky still seems to be striving for Xenak-ness; he's not there yet, but it's interesting to hear his progress. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #488 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com