From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #492 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, October 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 492 In this issue: - Conlon Nancarrow Re: Aporias re: guitar San Francisco info wanted Jim Staley Re: Jim Staley Scoop MORE ZORN INTERVIEW! MORE ZORN INTERVIEW! Lust Corner Zorn-Sites New Bill Laswell mailing list Roberta Baum query Q about Sang Phat Masada String Trio/Hanukkah collection ESP reissues Re: Masada String Trio/Hanukkah collection Re: Zorn-Sites Re: Zorn-Sites Eugene Chadbourne (for Europeans only) Re: Zorn-Sites Re: Q about Sang Phat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:59:14 -0800 From: Herb Levy Subject: Conlon Nancarrow I'm slowly working my way through 20 zorn digests that accumulated while I was out of town & then too busy to read them. I don't remember who commented on the Ensemble Modern recording of Nancarrow's music, but I have to warn anyone who has only heard this recording that they really haven't heard Nancarrow's Studies for Player Piano. For that you have to go to the Wergo recordings of the Studies for Player Piano. The ensemble versions of these pieces heard on this disc, arranged by Yvar Mishakoff, are far too slow (humans couldn't play most of them fast enough). The Ensemble Modern recordings of eleven of these studies takes approximately 45 minutes, the most recent recordings of the same works on player piano (from the Wergo sets) takes about 32 minutes. But far worse than the tempo problems, the arrangements, which spread the pitches of Nancarrow's player piano rolls across a small instrumental ensemble. The surprisingly rich timbral effects that Nancarrow is able to achieve using the relatively limited palette of the player piano are gone, replaced by often corny, simplistic orchestrations. In general these arrangements are a travesty, like a colorized movie. Ensemble Modern's playing is quite good, and on the few pieces for live performers that fill out the last third of the disc they're great. And this is the only recording of the Sarabande & Scherzo & of the complete Trio. But still if you want the real deal, go with the Wergo series of discs. Bests, Herb Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:38:44 -0400 From: stephen drury Subject: Re: Aporias At 05:21 PM 10/5/98 -0600, Scott Russell wrote: > Aporias is a different beast.... It's a modern classical >chamber piece. Sorry to nitpick after the kind mention, but Aporias is for large orchestra (including 6 -count'em- 6 boy sopranos) with piano solo. However, Zorn's expressed desire when writing for the orchestra was to acheive a chamber music, even soloistic quality in the writing, so I guess both Zorn and Scott are in the money ... - --steve - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: leon lee Subject: re: guitar i know there are tapes of nels cline solo guitar around. one of them is from 'cyberfest 1994 (?)' in which he plays both acoustic and electric. the material ranges from the patented nels chops to lush soundscapes. loren mazzacane conners/keiji haino @ dmg1992 is a nice cd tables of the elements 7"s -- most notably d.bailey's 7" my friend just put out a solo guitar 7" that is quite beautiful. i highly recommend it! gentry densely : solo guitar oblique force the acceleration of color (acoustic) the label is move sounds... info: iceburn @ po box 289 midway ut 84049 (shalom wa'lekkum) peace be with you... Leon Lee _______________________________________________________________________________ "life work in-progress" Students for Creative Music and Experimental Performance, treasurer "What is it to praise? Make yourself particles." -- Rumi - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:37:14 +0200 From: Marcin.Witkowski@wor.tvp.com.pl Subject: San Francisco info wanted > Dear zorniers in SF. > > I will be in San Francisco from 2nd to 6th of November (visiting KGO > broadcast station). > I need informations about good CD (new and second hand) shops and places > with Zorn related live music. > I will appreciate any info. > > Thanks > Marcin - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:12:05 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Jim Staley Are Jim Staley's albums worth getting? Which would people most recommend? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:04:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: Jim Staley > Are Jim Staley's albums worth getting? Which would people most recommend? Yes, most certainly. Well, they're all fairly similar in style and scope, so you can't really go wrong - since they're all free improv the things that make the pieces different are the players. I personally would recommend the discs that contain Shelley Hirsch and Ikue Mori (which is actually most of them, maybe even all of them!) - I'm blanking on the title, it's the one with the greenish cover and the zig-zaggy text on the front. The Don Giovanni CD is especially good...I think it's my favorite Staley because of its opera connection. :) (I'm an opera singer) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | | | | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | UMD school of music | | | | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:42:29 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Scoop Here's something interesting - Bill Laswell will be recording with Keiji Haino and Rashid Ali next month, for a release on Avant or Tzadik. Jeff Spirer B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/ Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:37:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase) Subject: MORE ZORN INTERVIEW! DUCKWORTH Do you listen to your own music? ZORN No. I think the Spillane record was the 1st thing I really enjoyed listening to. I still come back to that record. All the "game pieces" I never listened to; all the improvised records I never listened to. And I never listened to live performances until the Naked City band. It was bad enough having to play the shit without having to listen to it. DUCKWORTH What happened to get you back to New York ZORN Well, I did a lot of work on the West Coast meeting musicians in jazz-oriented, improvisation-oriented music. And I started promoting my own concerts. I'd just go into a coffee shop and say, "Hey, can I play here on Friday?" And they'd go, "Well, yeah, why not?" I'd make my own posters and put them around. That was 1974. I kept making my own posters until something like '83 or '84. And it was a really great period. No one would come to gigs, but I just loved the opportunity to be able to play, and to compose and then perform it. I think another one of my dissatisfactions was writing these big scores that never got played. In high school, I maybe did one or two performances my whole time, and even that was not very satisfactory. It was like watching my music get butchered by people. And another reason I think I got involved in performing my own stuff was that I'd get it done right. So I started paring the stuff down. That's something that I learned in college. Not writing symphonic works that would never be played, but doing a thing for 4 or 5 or 6 players, then getting the people together, rrefearsing them, and doing it. So, starting from where I dropped out I just said, "Okay, I'm going to meet people, write, perform my music, and play wherever I can play." I played on the street for years. And I had met musicians on the West Coast who eventually gravitated to New York, and we began working together. But in 1974, '75, '76, there were maybe two people I could play with, so I booked trio pieces, you know. DUCKWORTH Where were you playing them? ZORN In my apartment on Lafayette St. across from the Public Theater, at a place I called the Theater of Musical Optics. We used to do weekly concerts. DUCKWORTH Were you getting audiences? ZORN 2,3,4 people. DUCKWORTH Do you think your music changed, or did they have a change in attitude? ZORN I was doing the same fucking shit. My music now is very different that what it was, say, five or ten years aga. But at that particular time I had been doing the "game pieces" and that was improvisational stuff. And sure your music grows. But as far as I was concerned, their attitudes had changed. The music connected with them in some way. - ---from the book "Talking Music" by Duckworth maybe at your local Library. - -Theodorus - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:37:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase) Subject: MORE ZORN INTERVIEW! DUCKWORTH Do you listen to your own music? ZORN No. I think the Spillane record was the 1st thing I really enjoyed listening to. I still come back to that record. All the "game pieces" I never listened to; all the improvised records I never listened to. And I never listened to live performances until the Naked City band. It was bad enough having to play the shit without having to listen to it. DUCKWORTH What happened to get you back to New York ZORN Well, I did a lot of work on the West Coast meeting musicians in jazz-oriented, improvisation-oriented music. And I started promoting my own concerts. I'd just go into a coffee shop and say, "Hey, can I play here on Friday?" And they'd go, "Well, yeah, why not?" I'd make my own posters and put them around. That was 1974. I kept making my own posters until something like '83 or '84. And it was a really great period. No one would come to gigs, but I just loved the opportunity to be able to play, and to compose and then perform it. I think another one of my dissatisfactions was writing these big scores that never got played. In high school, I maybe did one or two performances my whole time, and even that was not very satisfactory. It was like watching my music get butchered by people. And another reason I think I got involved in performing my own stuff was that I'd get it done right. So I started paring the stuff down. That's something that I learned in college. Not writing symphonic works that would never be played, but doing a thing for 4 or 5 or 6 players, then getting the people together, rrefearsing them, and doing it. So, starting from where I dropped out I just said, "Okay, I'm going to meet people, write, perform my music, and play wherever I can play." I played on the street for years. And I had met musicians on the West Coast who eventually gravitated to New York, and we began working together. But in 1974, '75, '76, there were maybe two people I could play with, so I booked trio pieces, you know. DUCKWORTH Where were you playing them? ZORN In my apartment on Lafayette St. across from the Public Theater, at a place I called the Theater of Musical Optics. We used to do weekly concerts. DUCKWORTH Were you getting audiences? ZORN 2,3,4 people. DUCKWORTH Do you think your music changed, or did they have a change in attitude? ZORN I was doing the same fucking shit. My music now is very different that what it was, say, five or ten years aga. But at that particular time I had been doing the "game pieces" and that was improvisational stuff. And sure your music grows. But as far as I was concerned, their attitudes had changed. The music connected with them in some way. - ---from the book "Talking Music" by Duckworth maybe at your local Library. - -Theodorus - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:38:35 -0500 From: Michel Rondeau Subject: Lust Corner Has any body listened to the Winter & Winter album Lust Corner featuring Marc Ribot & Eugene Chadbourne? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:45:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase) Subject: Zorn-Sites When is someone going to update those Zorn Websites? - -Theodorus - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:03:06 +0100 From: Phil Subject: New Bill Laswell mailing list Some of you lot may be interested to hear that a new Bill Laswell mailing list has just been set up - the address is laswell@onelist.com and you can find instructions for subscribing (in both individual post & digest flavours)by checking out http://www.onelist.com. I don't have anything to do with setting the list up, but the more subscribers, the better. Cheers Phil Clarkson phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:01:17 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Roberta Baum query The recent Previte retrospective at KF reminded me of one of my favorite one time performances, Roberta Baum's inspired ululations on the composition 'Break the Cups' from Previte's 'Empty Suits'. To the best of my recollection, I've never heard of her before or since. Anyone have any info? Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:12:09 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Q about Sang Phat I just picked up Sang Phat's _Editor_ CD (Skin Graft GR44CD 1997), and it has very little info contained within the cover...Pat Samson- drums, Mark Shippy- guitar, Todd Rittmann- guitar/banjo, Al Johnson- singer. Also credited is Jim O'Rourke for production. Some really whacked out shit here- crazy improvised rock, played with impeccable musicianship...or something similar. Singer Johnson is an absolute loon here. Anybody care to shed some light on this ensemble? Geeze, this is a great CD... =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:19:09 -0500 From: James Hale Subject: Masada String Trio/Hanukkah collection FYI: Bikkurim by Masada String Trio is collected as part of a new CD called Festival Of Light on Six Degrees/Koch. Also featured on the disc are Don Byron and Jane Siberry. Erik Friedlander plays on a number of tracks. James Hale - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 23:44:38 -0400 From: Lang Thompson Subject: ESP reissues Does anybody know what's happening with the ESP catalog changeover? Should I hold off buying any for the new versions, assuming they'll even happen? - ------------------------------------------------------ Lang Thompson http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4 New at the Funhouse website: Did Elvis Steal Rock 'n' Roll?, The X-Files Movie Bites!, music reviews - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 23:55:29 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Masada String Trio/Hanukkah collection James Hale wrote: > > FYI: Bikkurim by Masada String Trio is collected as part of a new CD > called Festival Of Light on Six Degrees/Koch. > Also featured on the disc are Don Byron and Jane Siberry. Erik > Friedlander plays on a number of tracks. The CD has actually been out since last Chanukah. Yep, it's a keeper! - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "m. rizzi" Subject: Re: Zorn-Sites Theo Klaase, demi-God and Icon sez: > >When is someone going to update those Zorn Websites? Which websites? What needs to be updated? Why are you asking the list, rather than the respective webmasters? mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:28:53 -0700 From: "Christian Heslop" Subject: Re: Zorn-Sites I think that this question was both semi-rhetorical and apt.My first internet connection was started over two years ago, and every Zorn site from that date has persisted up until now in the same form that they were in when I first encountered them.I think their content shoudl be updated and I believe Theo is asking the list because he is soliciting our opinion on a zorn-related topic.What is it about Zorn enthusiasts that makes us incapable of running web pages.Perhaps we are too healthy to indulge in such fannish pasttimes? - ---------- > From: m. rizzi > To: Theo Klaase > Cc: Zorn Mailing List > > >When is someone going to update those Zorn Websites? > > Which websites? What needs to be updated? > Why are you asking the list, rather than > the respective webmasters? > > mike > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:04:21 +0100 From: Stefan Verstraeten Subject: Eugene Chadbourne (for Europeans only) Dear Zornmembers, I got quite an amount of personal emails from european zornlist members where they could get the latest cd's from Eugene Chadbourne. Well, a good european ditributor is Staalplaat. Hope this will solve all the problems. NP: Eric Dolphy 'The complete prestige recordings' (great music) > 6392 Eugene Chadbourne - Insect And Western Insect Attracter CD > 8015 Eugene Chadbourne - Jungle Cookies 2CD > Staalplaat Mailorder > PO Box 11453 > 1001 GL Amsterdam NL > Mon.- Fri. 10am-18pm CET > Phone 31 20 625 4176 > Fax 31 20 623 9281 Their email is mailorder@staalplaat.com - -- Stefan Verstraeten - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:26:47 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Zorn-Sites > I think that this question was both semi-rhetorical and apt.My first > internet connection was started over two years ago, and every Zorn site > from that date has persisted up until now in the same form that they were > in when I first encountered them.I think their content shoudl be updated > and I believe Theo is asking the list because he is soliciting our opinion > on a zorn-related topic.What is it about Zorn enthusiasts that makes us > incapable of running web pages.Perhaps we are too healthy to indulge in > such fannish pasttimes? Perhaps also it is the fact that he releases over 20 albums every year, and noone can keep up... - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 05:59:21 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Q about Sang Phat In a message dated 10/7/98 1:34:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ljhender@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > This is actually the second album by the Ohio nowave group, U.S. Maple. > The album's name is Sang Phat Editor. Thanks for the info, Les. I knew I was taking a bit of a gamble with the group/title attempt. I'll check out the first CD. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #492 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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