From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #527 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, November 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 527 In this issue: - Re: lots of little things from the last couple of weeks while I've been out of town Re: lots of little things from the last couple of weeks while I've been out of town Re: Jake's criticism Re: Napalm Death Zorn on UK Radio 3! George Lewis Re: George Lewis Crispell discog info / No List content, just MUSIC Tom Waits/John Zorn laura nyro question Is Masada coming to Mexico city? sad news Zorn on the radio (UK) Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website) Sabbath in Paradise ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:58:16 -0800 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: lots of little things from the last couple of weeks while I've been out of town Anthony Coleman's nationality is New Yorker. Kaiser/Oswald Moose & Salmon on Music Gallery Editions makes up the 1978 part of the recently released CD the duo has on Incus. Jalal Toufic's books are interesting if you like post-modern auto-biographic/critical works they are sort of about films. I think there was some discussion of them on the list in the past. If you've already read them, you may be interested in Steve Shaviro's Doom Patrols available in print & online . Maybe cause I live in the same neighborhood I'm too close to see it, but I don't understand the fascination with Dale Chihuly. To me most of the work never gets past the pretty surfaces. But maybe that's just me. David Weinstein's Perfume is a solo CD by long time (now former) collaborator with Shelley Hirsch, responsible for lots of the accompanying music for many of her recorded projects. The disc is largely sample-based, though the source of the samples is rarely, if ever, the point. (Originally Weinstein's Avant project was going to be a sort of sound effects archive to be used in part for performances by Impossible Music, his collaborative band of musicians playing only CD players.) Some of the pieces on Perfume are related to Impossible Music's work, some of the pieces use unusual microtonal, sometimes just-intonation related tunings, long an interest of Weinstein's. I think it's a very good disc in a sort of contemplative vein. Not for zornlist folks who are only into the rocking and/or noise fest aspects of the scene. Kurt Weill composed both "classical" and "popular" music in the 1930s-1950s or so, frequent collaborator with Bertolt Brecht. Many of the more pop oriented pieces (Mack the Knife, December Song, etc) come from music theater pieces that were in the musical comedy tradition, though the comedy was darker than say Bye Bye Birdie. The Columbia Sony recordings of songs by Lotte Lenya are good, as are the Teresa Stratas disc that were on Nonesuch. There's a recent Marianne Faithfull I haven't heard. & (Zorn content ahead) Hal Willner did a compilation, Lost in the Stars, that had some good things on it. Of the more classical stuff, there's a much recorded suite from 3 Penny Opera that I'll try to find my copy of to recommend - most of the other classical pieces are not in print. Bests, Herb Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:15:53 +0100 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Re: lots of little things from the last couple of weeks while I've been out of town >Kurt Weill composed both "classical" and "popular" music in the 1930s-1950s >or so, frequent collaborator with Bertolt Brecht. > ... >Hal Willner did a compilation, Lost in the Stars, that had >some good things on it. Of the more classical stuff, there's a much >recorded suite from 3 Penny Opera that I'll try to find my copy of to >recommend - most of the other classical pieces are not in print. Hall Willner did a second compilation of Kurt Weill Music in 1997: September songs : The Music of Kurt Weill (I think it was essentially the soundtrack for a film by Larry Weinstein). Wonderful performances by Elvis Costello, Lou Reed, Polly Harvey, Terese Stratas, Nick Cave and Charlie Haden playing on top of an old recording of Mr.Weill himself. As a bonus there's William Burroughs reading "What Keeps Mankind alive?",while Anthony Coleman provides some backing. The Ute Lemper discs of Weill Recordings are also very good. (she also made marvellous recordings of other German Cabaret composers of that era (Hollaender, Spoliansky, Schultze, Eisler,...)) And to end: there are some pretty good Weill recordings by Dagmar Krause (and she made also an Eisler album with arrangements by Greg Cohen) and there's the Young Gods play Kurt Weill songs (yes, this is the one with the Zorn sample). YVes - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:24:20 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Jake's criticism I think Jake has a point about Masada, though for my own part, I like the players so much (particularly Dave and Joey) that I've been quite happy to go along with no illusions about what I'm getting. But it reminded me of a brief exchange on this list where someone puzzled me by saying there was more variation on the Masada albums than there was in Hank Mobley's output (I considered that false, tho' perhaps only just, and I was probably leaning heavily on Mobley's GREAT Octet album, A Slice Of The Top). The toruble is, the newest thing on the last Masada album was that long slow track that bored the pants off me! But I have a lot of John Coltrane Quartet, and I've never thought "is this going to be much different to the others?", prior to buying another. (BTW, has anyone heard the complete Impulse thing? What're the Disc 8 alternate takes like? Isd the Archie Shepp Love Supreme on it?) Sean Wilkie - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:00:17 +0200 From: "J.T. de Boer" Subject: Re: Napalm Death The best deathmetal album ever made is Death's "Human". Chuldiner gathered Cynic's Paul Masdival (guitar) and Sean Reinert (best metal drummer ever!!!!!!) and Sadus' Steve Digorgio (bass) around him and produced 35 minutes of the most mindblowing metal you've ever heard. This band combines pure agression with superb playing. Get this album if you're in for musical madness! Pestilence is nice (by the way, they're dutch!), but compared to Death over even Entombed not very special. > Haven't heard the latest album - any word on that? I do know that "Spiritual > Healing" is one of the finest moments of death metal (rivalled only by > Entombed's "Clandestine", and Pestilence's "Consuming Impulse"). Damnit, the > genre was named after the band! Jeroen - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:03:03 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Zorn on UK Radio 3! Zorn's Barbican Concert will be broadcast on BBC Radio 3 next Friday (20th November) at 10.00 - 11.30 pm. Any out-of-UK listies who'd like a copy, make us a trading offer! (There'll be at least one direct from the radio copy available). Sean and Hywel. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:36:28 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Caulfield Bivins Subject: George Lewis Yes, a thousand times yes to HTCP. One of the greatest, and most often played discs, in my collection. I'm a big Lewis fan, as it happens, though some of his stuff leaves me a bit cold. Brian, you're right that he hasn't returned to the lyrical stuff on HTCP as much in recent years (at least not on his own recordings), but I assume you've heard "Jila/Save Mon!" from the same period? A few lovely duets with Douglas Ewart that, while not as great in impact as HTCP, are well worth hearing (and quite lovely). Parenthetically, it seems that while Lewis' output might have changed on one level, it's been remarkably consistent in its concerns. That is, I see most of his music as concerned with the nature of space in music: physical, musical, social, etc. He did a great job of exploring a musical environment -- both socio-historical and electro-acoustic -- on HTCP, and I can see the parallels on a work like Voyager or even Changing with the Times (a record I largely can't stand). Anyway, three cheers for Mr. Lewis. Jason Bivins - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 98 11:06:03 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re: George Lewis Jason wrote: >Brian, you're right that he hasn't returned to the lyrical stuff on HTCP >as much in recent years (at least not on his own recordings), but I >assume you've heard "Jila/Save Mon!" from the same period? A few lovely >duets with Douglas Ewart that, while not as great in impact as HTCP, are >well worth hearing (and quite lovely). Yep, that and 'Chicago Slow Dance' from around the same time (on Lovely Music) are fine works, worth seeking out. Ewart's still active in Chicago, isn't he? Any recent releases? >Parenthetically, it seems that while Lewis' output might have changed on >one level, it's been remarkably consistent in its concerns. That is, I >see most of his music as concerned with the nature of space in music: >physical, musical, social, etc. He did a great job of exploring a musical >environment -- both socio-historical and electro-acoustic -- on HTCP, and >I can see the parallels on a work like Voyager or even Changing with the >Times (a record I largely can't stand). You're entirely right; I'd love to hear him just blow more often, though, even along the lines of News for Lulu. I was fortunate enough to catch him with Braxton several times in the late 70's and he was always stellar, often eliciting astonished doubletakes from AB and the rest of the band. In fact, one of my most cherished concert memories was a Braxton quintet date, one which I'd be curious to discover whether or not it was a one-shot affair. It was summer '76, I believe, at Stanley Crouch's wonderful Tin Palace on the Bowery in NYC. The line-up was Braxton, Lewis, Muhal, Fred Hopkins and Steve McCall. What an amazing band--and Lewis stole the show. While I'm fairly sure this group never recorded as such, does anyone know if they played elsewhere or toured? Don't suppose any tapes exist, hmmmm? Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:58:51 -0300 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Crispell discog info / No List content, just MUSIC Hello all- Excuse the cross-post, but I need you experts from time to time: In 1992 the Marilyn Crispell Trio w/ Workman and Hemingway played at the following. Need details or contacts if anyone can help. Real Art Works, Hartford, CT Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT (tracks 4,6,7)
Walker Arts Center, Minneapolis, MN - ---Date of concerts for the above? -or a phone# or e-mail? Denver, CO - ---Venue & Date of concert? -or a phone# or e-mail? Thanks, RL - -- Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp, David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman discographies--Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc., at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ***Very Various Music For Sale: ***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:08:11 EST From: Poisonhead@aol.com Subject: Tom Waits/John Zorn As far as a Zorn/Waits collaboration I think as close as they will ever get would be the fact that they both have tracks on the Kurt Weill tribute "Lost in the stars". I was surprised not to see Zorn on the experimental musical instrument cd/book "orbitones, spoonharps, and bellowphones" and it's companion. Tom Waits track is great! Also to mention I just picked up Hasidic New Wave Psycho Semitic, what a great album! I would say if some one wanted to get familiar with the later Waits try "Big Time" it is excellent! Live versions of his later material. The new Waits is just getting better first Bone Machine and then the Black Rider. Wow! If anyone has a copy of Waits "Alice in wonderland" music that was for the next Robert Wilson production please contact me at...Poisonhead@aol.com. Andrew - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:56:23 +0100 (MET) From: BJOERN Subject: laura nyro question yes i know thats off topic again, hmm maybe not that much since she lived in new york and is at least half jewish. question: are there any written publications on her , that have a lot more to say than the usual stuff one can find in every rock-music encyclopedia? by the way: wouldnt she be a nice musician for one of the next great jewish music volumes..?? BJOERN - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:11:22 -0600 From: sergio luque Subject: Is Masada coming to Mexico city? There are rumors around here about a Masada concert on december. Any info? thanks sergio luque - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:58:34 -0800 (PST) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: sad news came across this recently and thought it might be of interest to some. i really enjoyed the Yoshizawa/Barre Phillips disc on PSF, and was hoping he might come out to the states at some point in the future. hasta. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- According to a posting on the MICC list, free jazz giant Motoharu Yoshizawa passed away a month and a half ago (9/13/98). His activities seem to have taken a backseat to those of his peers in the late 60s Japanese underground (notably Masayuki Takayanagi and Kaoru Abe), but from the available recorded testimony (thankfully magnified due to the fine efforts of PSF), his was a similarly massive talent. In particular, the duets with Mototeru Takagi from 10/69 are a fantastic introduction to early Yoshizawa and to the particular Japanese take on American free jazz (the disc are mostly long explorations of standards like Ornette's "Lonely Woman"). In the realm of the legends who continue to walk the earth, Bert Jansch is playing a show on 11/7/98 at the Threadwaxing Space in New York (w/ Bridget St. John, don't know if they're performing together). Not having kept up with his output very recently, does anybody know what he's been up to / what to expect? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:45:18 +0000 From: Phil Subject: Zorn on the radio (UK) Just to let those of you who can pick up BBC Radio 3 from the UK know - on Friday 20th Radio 3 are broadcasting highlights from the recent Zorn chamber music gig in London. I think it's in the "Here & Now" slot in the evening. Get those C-90's ready! Phil Clarkson phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:26:03 +0100 From: Stefan Verstraeten Subject: Collectors' corner (Tzadik Website) Hi, Does anyone has a clue what happened with the collectors' corner on the tzadik website??? IMHO, the tzadik website seems nowadays like a T.T.M.A.R. - Website (take the money and run). No more zorn top 10, the artist info is most of the case outdated... What's happening???? Best wishes, Stefan Verstraeten NP Thurston Moore & Nels Cline - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:05:56 +1100 From: Peter Hollo Subject: Sabbath in Paradise Warning, LONG film review... Just went to see the film Sabbath in Paradise at the Sydney Jewish Film Festival. The film is about klezmer in modern settings and so on, and concentrated on the downtown New York scene, so lots of Zorn and Tzadik people! The place was filled with ignorant Jewish people most of whom thought they'd see unchallenging Jewish wedding music and straight klezmer I think, and were a bit taken-aback by what they got ;) The film is structured around a tale about a Rebbe who is on his way somewhere and is taken in by some strangers who turn out to be Moses, King David, King Solomon etc... and he hears wonderful music and so on. There are interviews (or spoken bits) with various relevant people: Anthony Coleman talks a lot, and there are some fascinating bits where he describes how his Selfhaters music comes out of more familiar Jewish contexts. Can't really describe it in words, but it was both amusing and informative... Marc Ribot talks in his slightly drug-fucked way about a lot of things. Because of his manner, most of the audience thought he was screamingly funny and I think the highly intelligent philosophising he was doing totally passed over their heads. Of the musicians related to "Radical Jewish Culture" Ribot has always seemed to me to have the most un-Jewish style of all, much closer to blues, country, thrash, whatever... and so hearing him talk about what it means to be making Jewish music was fantastic. His interviews at http://www.shamash.org/shmooze/jsps/index.html which we were drawn attention to before were along the same lines... David Krakauer said some interesting things, and demonstrated how his more ornate and style of playing comes out of traditional klezmer, and Frank London talked along similar lines. There were a couple of slightly more traditional klezmer musicians, whom I didn't quite know... Andy Statman on clarinet and occasional mandolin, an excellent musician but not particularly adventurous at all. He asked whether a Jewish tradition could exist separate from the Torah for very long, and suggested it couldn't historically. I disagree, but then I'm an atheist Jew ;) There were other dissenting voices. In fact, I'm interested whether Zorn and suchlike associates *are* practising Jews, reform or not, at all... From the film, I suspect Anthony Coleman at least isn't. Also, a fantastic accordian player who also played guitar at one point, and I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me who he was. Musically, there was quite a lot too. We saw Zorn rehearsing the Masada Quartet at the Knitting Factory and got to see just how much control he has over what goes on, directing Joey Baron as to what cymbals to hit when during certain passages and stuff... And we saw 2 or 3 pieces performed live at the Knitting Factory too. Large slabs of Selfhaters stuff, and one piece of Coleman's Sephardic Tinge trio... Various things by Krakauer, and various other things by Statman and whomever. The "soundtrack", intersperced occasionally, was snippets of stuff from the Masada String Trio disc of Circle Maker. Again it was interesting how the improvisations were slowly introduced, so that I imagine each of the pieces was constructed quite controlledly by Zorn with the group. Oh yes! Also, a shortish excerpt from a beautiful Cobra session, involving Marc Ribot for sure, and various others (can't remember or didn't know), quite quiet, with scraping and tinkling percussion by most of them and stuff... wonderful. Altogether an excellent movie. Filmed mostly on video I think, with some very clever editing in some bits and at other times perhaps excessively low-buget in feel, but who cares? Lots of excellent Jewish music, wonderful live performances, snippets of rehearsal, and commentary from the musicians (not including any direct-to-camera talking by Zorn, interestingly) - what more could one seriously ask for? It's on again on Saturday the 28th in Sydney... well worth seeing ;) Peter. np: Klezmer, NY - David Krakauer & Klezmer Madness! A wonderful CD, from the funky alt(dot)klezmer at the start and the lovely setting of Der Gasn Nigun at the end, to the stuff in between. Pity it's so short! The new Naftule's Dream CD is also excellent. - -- Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet http://www.fourplay.com.au "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #527 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. 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