From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #582 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, February 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 582 In this issue: - new SCORN cd !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Re: "free form" Troubleman dolphy/booker little RE: Zorn List Digest V2 #581 Bailey/Abe/Yoshizawa/Kondo Jazz LP auction - Zorn material milano odia Legendary Pink Dots Tim Berne & Teo Macero interviews Re: Legendary Pink Dots ribot on sessions ikue mori Re: ribot on sessions Re: Zorn Digest V2 #581 Re : 'Free form' ikue mori/masada Re: ribot on sessions little shopping tip update ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:39:10 PST From: "Stefan Verstraeten" Subject: new SCORN cd !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hi, Just like to pass you the news I got from Vince of Manifoldrecords. Great news I think for those who dig Mick Harris. >SCORN 'Amnamnesis' cd >Brand new, not in stores yet. And nothing like this projects releases from >the past few years, this is the disc fans of early Scorn will breathe a >sigh of relief for! It starts off with three tracks featuring Nick Bullen >on vocals and bass, a la Collossus or Lick Forever Dog. Many of the other >tracks are unreleased, a few rare compilation tracks (how rare? how about >the track from the nearly non-existant Feardrop 3" as one of them?). Then >there are a couple remixes, like the Coil version of Dreamscape, which >doesnt seem to be the same one on the Elipsis remix cd. Basically a new >Scorn cd, with the early sound in effect! Very very nice. $14.99 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:06:17 -0800 (PST) From: sonny shine Subject: Re: "free form" ah! i can see clearly now. so it is understandable how i may have thought certain Mr. Bungle and Zorn songs were free-form. though these cats would tell me that they actually script their songs. - ---Julian wrote: > > It should probably be pointed out that there is a difference between "free > improv", and "free form". The former is a bunch of people improvising, > while the latter describes music with little or no structure (so the former > is an example of the latter, but the two aren't the same). > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:54:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Jones" Subject: Troubleman Has anyone heard of a group called Troubleman? Or am I the only one who's ever heard these guys? z - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:02:51 -0800 From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol) Subject: dolphy/booker little can i add an amen to hearing the gospel of dolphy revived on this list yesterday? an aspect that's been blowing my mind over the past couple of years is booker little's work with dolphy (so far i've resisted the tempatation to buy the complete dolphy, having most of it on tape, vinyl and single CDs -- but the temptation still hovers). maybe it's just a personal thing, but booker is more impressive and fascinating to me than the other trumpeters of the early '60s except maybe miles. more than lee morgan and freddie hubbard anyway. np: egberto gismonti - solo - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:33:46 -0500 From: Risser Family Subject: RE: Zorn List Digest V2 #581 - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE4BDD.8D7A2300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable << But, Mr. Bungle and Naked City are both a step towards free-form = stuff from=3D everyday listening. It was Bungle that introduced me to Zorn. To the=3D unfamiliar ear, I could see how a lot of stuff on "Disco Volante" = might=3D seem to fall into the "free" category, although it is all certainly=3D structured and written out. Your point is a good one, though! >> Agreed. I only bring up that it's highly structured noise because so = many untrained listeners just lump it as "noise" and dismiss stuff like = that as pure garbage, people just goofing off, when it's as structured = and difficult (or more difficult) as the average Beethoven sonata. Another example is when the Boredoms came and opened for Sonic Youth on = a couple of dates. I was fortunate enough to have them stay at our = house. In any case, one of the Boredoms had visa problems and couldn't = make it over, so some downtown rock guitarist (I can't remember for the = life of me, but for some reason I want to say he was the other half of = Half Japanese?) was playing with them. But he told us they only let him = play on three songs so far, because that's all he had learned at that = point. The idea being, here's this disc (I was totally into Soul = Discharge at the time) that was so fucking wacked, and yet, it was = sculptured enough that even this avant leaning, and I assume technically = able, guitarist couldn't just pick up and play along. I dunno. Just some anecdotes. 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Cheers, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com STARLIGHT FURNITURE: ABE/YOSHIZAWA/KONDO/BAILEY: Aida's Call CD (STAR 09 CD). Recorded live in 1978: Kaoru Abe (sax), Motoharu Yoshizawa (bass), Toshinoro Kondo (trumpet) & Derek Bailey (guitar). "In the late 70s, Bailey met Aquirax Aida, "a kind of svengali figure,' through whom almost 'everybody on the Japanese free music scene seemed to work...he even house some of the musicians and supplied them with whatever they found necessary.' Through Aida, Bailey toured and recorded in Japan in 1978 with various EEU sessions, permutations and extensions with these and other Japanese free musicians." $13.00 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:26:46 +0800 From: Sibree/Wilkes Subject: Jazz LP auction - Zorn material My latest free jazz/avant garde lp auction (Numbat List 7) contains a small amount of Zorn material and a range of other intriguing items. Please email me for details. Regards, Billy - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:23:02 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: milano odia I was wondering whether anyone has heard Morricone's soundtrack to this film, and whether it is worth getting? Julian. http://www.hartingdale.com.au/~jcurwin/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:45:37 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Legendary Pink Dots Who can tell me something about the Legendary Pink Dots? What do they sound like and what recordings are recommended? I always see them name-checked and listed in various places but I know nothing about them... Thanks. -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:29:06 -0500 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Tim Berne & Teo Macero interviews Greetings, In the latest issue of Perfect Sound Forever online magazine , you find (among others things): TIM BERNE INTERVIEW The Minature Big Satan Paraphrased TEO MACERO INTERVIEW Playing the studio as an instrument Teo also gives his thoughts on studio technique nowadays We're always looking for good material so let us know if you have any writing or ideas for upcoming issues. See you online, Jason - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:30:32 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Legendary Pink Dots <> they're an especially hard band to describe. I'd say they're not too far from Current 93, if that helps. a folk-influenced, mildly bombastic singer (Edward Ka-Spel) over an atmospheric blend of electronics. their web site is at brainwashed.com/lpd. if you get a chance to see them live, I'd say go for it, because they're pretty wild. but their records for the most part are disappointing. also, if you see the Edward Ka-Spel record on Streamline (Khatacimici China Doll), pick it up, since it's out of print and probably the best thing they've done. there's an amazing Cristoph Heemann remix tacked on at the end of the disc. otherwise, what I'd recommend is Sand's _Ultrasonic Seraphim_, an amazing Krautrock double CD produced by Klaus Schulze in 1972, and reissued in 1996 by David Tibet and Steven Stapleton on United Dairies. this is the blueprint for most of the Legendary Pink Dots and Current 93 output, and way better than anything I've heard by either of them. there's no personnel connection, in case I've confused people, it's just the antecedent. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 05:11:40 PST From: "Mary Ho" Subject: ribot on sessions Did anyone catch Marc Ribot playing backup for Chocolate Genius this past weekend on Sessions at West 54th? I only caught the last tune and he played this execellent guitar solo. Anyways, who is this Chocolate Genuis?? Does anyone know who else played with Ribot in the back up band. I didnt recognize anyone else. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:47:44 -0500 From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: ikue mori is ikue mori playing tonight at flea theater? zorn and the masada quartet were incredible at the Roulette benefit Saturday. Reminds me that I really need to update my Masada collection. - -- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | | | | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:20:00 -0400 From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: ribot on sessions >Did anyone catch Marc Ribot playing backup for Chocolate Genius this=20 >past weekend on Sessions at West 54th? I only caught the last tune and=20 >he played this execellent guitar solo. Anyways, who is this Chocolate=20 >Genuis?? Does anyone know who else played with Ribot in the back up=20 >band. I didnt recognize anyone else. Yeah, I saw it. Chocolate Genius is a native New Yorker by the name of Mark= Anthony Thomas. He's signed to V2 Records (who happen to be a client at my= job). His debut album is called "Black Music" and features Ribot on guitar,= Chris Wood on bass, John Medeski on hammond and I don't recall the= drummer's name...=20 If you want to get more info you can check out his web site at http://www.cn= otes.com/cnotes.artists/chocolategenius.html I like the album a lot. Very different from most of the Downtown NYC= scene... a lot more commercially viable, but there are some great tunes.= I've seen CG live a number of times and the lineup has been different each= time. Usually he has the drummer from Ween in a live situation, although he= did not last night. The only person besides Ribot that I recognized last= night was Oren Bloedow on bass. Oren actually played guitar in Ribot's= place when I last saw the band at Tonic in NYC.=20 Greg - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:59:40 +0200 From: Blind Subject: Re: Zorn Digest V2 #581 Re : 'Free form' "Free form" : sometimes called 'noise' and non-structural because it'd be difficult to find structure in the only piece itself but maybe in the whole bunch of works.... The musician can be free of anything but of his own history - as a listener, player, composer and improviser, the more complicated and freely treated it is, the more his music is flux, an individual process continually complementing itself. That may be called 'structure' and also the individuality of every musician. And talking about scripting, what do you think of Braxton's schemes? (I don't know if there is some stuff written about these so maybe anyone can clue me?) > I only bring up that it's highly structured noise because so many untrained listeners just lump it as "noise" and dismiss stuff like that as pure garbage, people just goofing off, when it's as structured and difficult (or more difficult) as the average Beethoven sonata. > he told us they only let him play on three songs so far, because that's all he had learned at that point. The idea being, here's this disc (I was totally into Soul Discharge at the time) that was so fucking wacked, and yet, it was sculptured enough that even this avant leaning, and I assume technically able, guitarist couldn't just pick up and play along. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 99 14:05:13 -0300 From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: ikue mori/masada >zorn and the masada quartet were incredible at the Roulette benefit >Saturday. It would be great to read any comments on that show. By the way, is that true any masada cds are out of print? Hugo - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:25:12 PST From: "M. pathos" Subject: Re: ribot on sessions Chocolate Genius' record Black Music features Marc Ribot on guitar. The Genius seems wordy to me, a condition exacerbated by his tendency not to enunciate his consonants. The songs get sort of samey after about the tenth, but individually they're of high quality. For this genre, I'd highly recommend Palace Music's Viva Last Blues over it. >Did anyone catch Marc Ribot playing backup for Chocolate Genius this >past weekend on Sessions at West 54th? I only caught the last tune and >he played this execellent guitar solo. Anyways, who is this Chocolate >Genuis?? Does anyone know who else played with Ribot in the back up >band. I didnt recognize anyone else. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:32:17 -0800 From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: little shopping tip update Somewhat OT, but some of you might be interested: A week or so ago someone was asking about where to get good prices on import Zorn discs, and I (thoughtlessly) posted about how the prices seemed to be the lowest on http://www.everycd.com, even though I hadn't even made a single order from them. Then Eric Saidel (sp?) added to my caveats with his experience with bad customer service and high shipping rates -- alas, this was *after* I had managed to navigate their clogged website and place an order. (I had already paid the "membership fee," which really is only worth it if you buy a lot.) What was pretty fishy about their website was that you can choose your delivery options (regular mail, UPS, etc.), but that the unwritten shipping rates aren't added to your subtotal (with a message at the end saying something to the effect that their server is currently not yet set up to add in shipping rates -- a bad sign). However, after much anxious waiting, the CDs arrived a week after I placed my order; they had billed me $3.50 (whew) for shipping. So I managed to snag Masada 2 for $13.08 and Keiji Haino's "An Unclear Trial: More Than This" (with Greg Cohen and Joey Baron!!!) for $15.82 -- not too bad. (The one casualty was Naked City's "Radio," which was out of stock.) Please don't scold me about not patronizing indie stores (because I do too)... Later, Ben np: current 93, "in a foreign town, in a foreign land" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #582 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com