From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #589 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, February 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 589 In this issue: - Re: Meshuggah Re: Trash Davis etc etc Re: Meshuggah Fred Frith - 'Allies' techniques Fred Frith - 'Allies' techniques RE: Krzysztof Komeda Re: trash davis etc etc Re: trash davis etc Zornies CDs for sale-- no Zorn content (oops!) Corea A.R.C. [was Re: Trash Davis etc etc] Re: Meshuggah Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell] Live MMW Re: Takemitsu (was Komeda) derek bailey new cd (for european listmembers) "PLAY online" (a bit off topic) Re: "PLAY online" (a bit off topic) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:45:25 -0500 From: "hijk" Subject: Re: Meshuggah I recently ordered the new instrumental album from former Cynic bassis Sean Malone called "Gordian Knot." The album features former Cynic drummer Sean Reinert (who also played on the previosly mentioned DEATH album), Trey Gunn (Warr guitar - King Crimson), Ron Jarzombek (guitar - Watchtower, Spastic Ink) and John Myung (Dream Theater - plays chapman stick on two songs). I am still waiting for it to arrive and will send a message with a brief review when it does. I've heard it and I love it. It can get a little mechanical sounding, but then a human element pops up and surprises you. Some of it is reminiscent of Peter Gabriel's Last Temptation Score. JK hijk@gateway.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 13:24:57 -0500 From: Mark Saleski Subject: Re: Trash Davis etc etc > > I used to be a lot more into Corea than I am now. ( His work of late > strikes me mostly as mindless chops on parade) but his earlier work is > deffinatly worth checking out. > > Some of my favorites: > > _Now He Sings, Now He Sobs_ > _The Song of Singinging_ > _Return to Forever_ (The original album with Arto, Flora, Stan Clarke, > and Joe Farrell) > _Voyage_ (Duets with Steve Kujala) > His works w/ Mike Longo (sp?) and Gary Burton are also other albums you > might want to check out. > > - - > i've got a tape of a Corea lp. called A.R.C which was done with Barry Altshul & Dave Holland. lots of really cool kinda-free stuff. unfortunately, i don't think it ever made it to cd. i'd love to be wrong about this. - -- Mark Saleski - marks@foliage.com "Everything you can imagine is real." -- Picasso - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:29:21 -0400 From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah >I've heard it and I love it. It can get a little mechanical sounding, but >then a human element pops up and surprises you. Some of it is reminiscent >of Peter Gabriel's Last Temptation Score. Speaking of which, I just got "Passion Sources" in the mail today, which is the original music that inspired Passion (one of my all time favorite albums!). Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:57:20 +0200 From: Blind Subject: Fred Frith - 'Allies' techniques Recently played with some algorithmic compositional software and found out interesting resemblance between (for example) random probabilities note treatment and some parts of this album. Don't want to involve computers here; it just looks like some kind of atonal technique. Any opinions or reviews found on this? L.B. (Maybe it's just a wrong parallel i've drawn.) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 20:58:10 +0200 From: Blind Subject: Fred Frith - 'Allies' techniques Recently played with some algorithmic compositional software and found out interesting resemblance between (for example) random probabilities note treatment and some parts of this album. Don't want to involve computers here; it just looks like some kind of atonal technique. Any opinions or reviews found on this? L.B. (Maybe it's just a wrong parallel i've drawn.) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:18:47 +0100 From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: Krzysztof Komeda > Anyone familiar with his recorded work? Artur, you > must have some, no? I used to have vinyls some time ago, but at the moment I heard Zorn I got rid of it ;-) Sorry Bjoern... Komeda's "opera omnia" was curently re-issued by Power Bros Records www.powerbros.com.pl (this server is not responding at the time I'm writing it). All os these CD-reissues were "authorised" by his wife Zofia, so this series should be a kind of final reference. Komeda's music is very popular in Poland and in Europe at the moment, thanks to one of the best polish jazz musicians Tomasz Stanko (tp). His "Litania" CD was one of the best-sellers of past year in Europe in jazz cathegory. He was a member of Komeda's band, and the music on this CD is re-work of the old tunes he played with Komeda about 30 years ago. More Zorn-oriented content now: the tune from "Rosmary's Baby", called "Sleep Safe and Warm" was played by Naked City but never released (Patrice please correct me if I'm wrong). I have a CDR bootleg with a show from Bremen, Germany form 3th of October 1989 with Naked City's version. It's a straight-forward version comparing to Stanko's version of Komeda tunes. My friend (the second polish member of this list...) drove Fred Frith to Bydgoszcz recently, where Fred played improv show, they were listening to the recording of this concert, and Fred said "this was pretty good evening, play it louder!" One more Polanski/Komeda recommendation: "Knife in the water" is THE movie. You have to see it if you like "Rosemary's Baby". __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno AT silesia.top.pl] www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:01:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: trash davis etc etc On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Doug Tapia wrote: > >Speaking of Corea, between "Black Beauty" and Pete (La Roca) Sims' > >"Turkish Women @ the Bath" (excellent CD, & cheap too), he's been > >impressing me a lot lately. What's some other good Corea worth picking > >up? > > > I used to be a lot more into Corea than I am now. ( His work of late > strikes me mostly as mindless chops on parade) but his earlier work is > deffinatly worth checking out. One of definitely interest to out-music listeners: "Circle: Paris Concert", with Corea, Anthony Braxton, Dave Holland, and Barry Altschul. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 13:29:11 -0800 From: Subject: Re: trash davis etc Marcin Gokieli wrote: > Oh! i forgot! one more - absolutely off topic- thing. Does anybody know > where can i get ANY Zappa videos? > my friend whom i turned on to ZAppa sends me concerts he gets off the interent on zip disc. check there - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:30:08 -0500 From: Peter Risser Subject: Zornies Well, sorry it's been so long, but I don't know what to do with the responses I got. I didn't get enough material for overlap, so in many categories, I've got ten individual nominations, which is too much for a voting public, plus many are pretty obscure. In other categories, I've got one or two items with duplicates, but that's still not enough to weed out the individuals and come up with four or five items to vote on. So, the Zornies have sort of died a hesitant death, unless I can get more nominations. Maybe next year. In the meantime, if you want a copy of the results, I can mail you an XL spreadsheet. Also, I'm thinking of allowing seconded nominations. That means, you can go through the list and increase someone's count by 1 if you think they deserve it. Maybe, something like that. Anyway, here's a sum of the categories that did have a few multiple answers: ============================================== Best solo performer: Marc Ribot had two nominations. TONS of other people had one. Best group of performers (two or more, who consistently play together as a group): Masada and Masada Chamber Ensemble topped with two. Again, lots had one. Best meeting of performers (two or more, playing together, but not as a consistent group): Several individuals, but no duplicates Best New Artist (someone who recently came into critical acclaim in '98 though they could have been working in the industry previously): Air had two, but I think that's because two Air fans turned in results. Best Album of 1998: Circle Maker by Zorn hands down with four nominations, Air second with two. :) Best Song of 1998: Not the best category. A few entries. Best Reissued Album: Quincy Jones' Big Band Bossa Nova had two, plus a few other people who couldn't agree. Best Reissued Box Set (multiple albums): Coltrane's Village Vanguard sessions, the Painkiller Box, the Miles Bitches Brew sessions and the Rhino Bacharach set, all clocked in with two. Best Retrospective (Single Artist Compilation): Two entries. Best Various Artist Compilation: The Marc Bolan/TRex tribute on Tzadik had two, plus a few others. (PS: I thought this album was very weak BTW, especially compared to the Serge) Best Packaging: A handful of entries. Best Liner Notes: Another disparate handful. (The following categories include both new albums and reissues for 1998) Best DnB/Techno/Dance: Not many here. I thought there'd be more. Best Improvisational: A few more than dance, but not many. Best Free Jazz: David S Ware: Go See the World with 2. Best Standard Jazz: Scofield with Scofield a GoGo and Frisell/Hersch with Songs We Know, both with two. Best Soundtrack: Filmworks 8 hands down with 3 nominations, but people couldn't decide which movie they liked better. Should that be two different soundtrack nominations? Best Classical: A smattering Best Electro-Acoustic or Computer (non-dance): A slightly larger smattering Best Pop, Rock, or Rock-Based: Again, the only dupe was Air Best Spoken Word: A few Best Noise: No winners, although Aube and Sonic Youth both show up twice for different albums Best Ambient: A few more Best Remix (album or song): four. (The following are for Live Performances in 1998. Please attempt to include approximate date and venue.) The live stuff was interesting. Mostly rock/pop and improv, naturally. But again, no common threads. :( (The following are meant to honor artists that had releases, re-releases or tours in 1998, preferably artists that performed consistently well throughout the year.) Best Sax Player: Zorn, go figure, (with 5) and Joe McPhee (with 2) Best Brass Player: Dave Douglas (with 5) Best Drummer: Joey Baron (with 8) Best Guitarist: Bill Frisell (4), Derek Bailey (2) and Marc Ribot (6) Best Piano/Keyboard: Anthony Coleman (3), Uri Caine (4) and John Medeski (3) Best Bass Player: Mark Dresser, Greg Cohen and Trevor Dunn (each with 2) Best Sampler/Turnables: no agreement Best Vocals: Mike Patton (2) Best Remixer: No agreement Notice a pattern in the artist section? Sounds like people were really digging on Masada this year. Go figure! Peter - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 21:43:38 -0500 From: Meta Subject: CDs for sale-- no Zorn content (oops!) Hi everyone, Just thought this might be of interest to some members of the list.... This coming spring Trevor Dunn (of Mr. Bungle) will have a new CD released (one of his many side projects), but I happen to have 5 copies to sell right NOW. The CD is titled _Debutantes and Centipedes_. It's a trio consisting of bass (Trevor of course), guitar (Adam Levy) and percussion (Kenny Wollesen). It is Trevor's original compositions-- 9 songs and self-produced. I hate trying to describe music... so you'll just have to take my word for it when I say that it's really quite impressive. *The CDs are $15, US funds. *If any Canadians are interested, since I am living in Canada I will take Canadian funds (although I would prefer US currency)-- the price is $23 CAN. If anyone is interested, feel free to email me privately: golgi@sympatico.ca thanks-- m. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 00:20:11 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Corea A.R.C. [was Re: Trash Davis etc etc] Mark Saleski wrote: > i've got a tape of a Corea lp. called A.R.C which was done with Barry Altshul & Dave Holland. > lots of really cool kinda-free stuff. unfortunately, i don't think it ever made it to cd. i'd > love to be wrong about this. You'll be happy to know that you are wrong. Currently in print on ECM, catalog number 78118-21009-2 And everything on ECM can now be ordered from their website, even if it's not available domestically where you live. http://www.ecmrecords.com Other Corea in this vein is heard on the ECM double-album by Circle aleady mentioned in this thread, which added Anthony Braxton on reeds with the trio that made A.R.C., and the Blue Note CD "Early Circle" by same, which may well be out of print but could probably be found with some effort. The usenet group rec.music.bluenote was buzzing about the impending reissue of other material by Circle last year, but I don't know that this ever happened. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - American Music Club, "The Hopes and Dreams of Heaven's 10,000 Whores," _Mercury_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 01:08:03 -0400 From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah >I like City alot too but the additional production and "slower" songs >make it less appealing to me. I love the "slower" songs. I think they are as heavy as the faster material... and you are going to be hard pressed to find a much faster or more intense song than "Home Nucleonics." Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 01:17:54 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell] Rick Lopez wrote: > recently I bought the three Soul Coughing CDs, then discovered that they > all had connections to the Knit and environs. Anyone out there able to > expand on who these guys are, where they came from, other recordings any of > them have appeared on, etc.? Keyboardist Mark De Gli Antoni is a composer and was a member of the collective Rough Assemblage (with Norman Yamada and the late Eric Qin), which released an album on Avant. He contributed to, but did not play on, David Shea's "Hsi-Yu Chi" (Tzadik), Ikue Mori's "Hex Kitchen" (Tzadik) and Zeena Parkins's "Isabelle" (Avant). I remember reading that he had a Composers Series release under his own name coming from Tzadik, but don't know if it's out yet. Bassist Sebastian Steinberg played on Suzanne Vega's "Nine Objects of Desire" (A&M). But, more to the point, he played on percussionist Samm Bennett's "The Big Off" (Knitting Factory) and Marc Ribot's "Shrek" (Avant). And he's on Cibo Matto's excellent debut EP. Drummer Yuval Gabay also played on "Nine Objects of Desire," but longtime Knitting Factory followers will know him better for having been the drummer for Samm Bennett's group Bosho (hey, even after so many years, "Yuval Gabay" is one hell of a hard name to forget!), and also having played on Hassan Hakmoun's "Zahar." Vocalist M Doughty used to be a music critic and the doorman at the old Knitting Factory... All of the above (aside from Gabay) appear in some capacity or another on the Knitting Factory compilation of Zorn's "Cobra." And I'm sure there's more I couldn't find or have forgotten. (Patrice?) I don't own any Soul Coughing records, but the one time I heard them play at the Knit during my tenure there, I was rather impressed. This evening's entertainment has been brought to you courtesy of my vague recollections, www.allmusic.com, www.knittingfactory.com, and, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Meshuggah, "Sane," _Chaosphere_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 04:17:32 -0500 From: Seth Gordon Subject: Live MMW A couple months back, someone posted an address for a few live MMW .mp3s- if it's not too much to ask (assuming they're still up) could that special someone please repost the FTP? Thanks -S. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 06:13:01 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Takemitsu (was Komeda) At 09:35 AM 2/8/99 -0500, brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote: > > For that matter, I also saw 'Kwaidan' with a spare, fascinating > soundtrack by Takemitsu. Recommendations of his work, soundtrack or > otherwise, would also be appreciated. Can't go wrong with the film music set released last year or so on Nonesuch, a collection of pieces from various films. Apart from that, November Steps, for orchestra, biwa and is a classic. The old version I've got is side four of Messaien's Turangalila Symphony, conducted by Ozawa, but there's probably at least one other version available. If you're into solo piano music, his is very nice as well. There's an old release by Roger Woodward, which includes an aleatoric piece called Corona, which is very nice, but the traditional (i.e., notated) pieces are well crafted, very atmospheric. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Computers are useless; they can only give you answers - -- Pablo Picasso - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 04:17:19 PST From: "Stefan Verstraeten" Subject: derek bailey new cd (for european listmembers) Dear Bailey boys and girls, For those who are looking for a copy of 'Aida's call' and 'Playbacks', the cheapast way for europeans is to order them directly from INCUS records. Their price is 12 pound each (including p&p). The 'new' album by Bailey, Stevens and Watts will be available soon. Further info is available from: >From: "INCUS" <113426.2337@compuserve.com> Hope this helps 'the habitants of the old continent' Stefan Verstraeten. sverstraeten@hotmail.com NP Robert Musso : Active Resonance (Brian Olewinck.... you defintely rule man... thank you for sending me this stuff) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:59:02 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: "PLAY online" (a bit off topic) Has anyone ever dealt with these folks? http://www.tunes.com/tunes-cgi2/tunes/ch_index/248 They offer an amazing deal of 12 free CDs if you promise to order 5 over the next 2 years. I admit, their selection isn't spectacular, but if you search hard enough you can find some good stuff. However, I am a bit of a sceptic, so obviously don't trust such a strangely good deal. Can anyone vouch for them? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:36:35 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Martens Subject: Re: "PLAY online" (a bit off topic) I've been a member of PLAY for about a year now (never used the online svcs though) & I've never had any problems w/ them. Like you said, the selection isn't all that great, but I've found enough good stuff to make it worthwhile. The catch is that the 12 free CDs are going to end up costing you like $50 in shipping. One great thing is that about every six months they have a big sale on box sets, plus all kinds of buy-one-get-two-type deals. I got the Coletrane Village Vanguard box plus two other CDs for like $35 not too long ago. Eric - ---Julian wrote: > > Has anyone ever dealt with these folks? > > http://www.tunes.com/tunes-cgi2/tunes/ch_index/248 > > They offer an amazing deal of 12 free CDs if you promise to order 5 over > the next 2 years. I admit, their selection isn't spectacular, but if you > search hard enough you can find some good stuff. However, I am a bit of a > sceptic, so obviously don't trust such a strangely good deal. Can anyone > vouch for them? > > > - > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #589 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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