From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #598 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, February 19 1999 Volume 02 : Number 598 In this issue: - Re: 2xCD on Vinyl Communications (Otomo Yoshihide?) Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #597 Re: Mauricio Kagel RE: Mauricio Kagel Jaki Byard Dead Downtown Lullaby Re: News for Lulu (was: a newbie here/ suggestions) Disc. zorn discs for trade owner vacation Icarus/News for Lulu/rock drumming herb robertson Frith concert in Munich Re: herb robertson Re: herb robertson Re: Give me more Masada Style Re: herb robertson Re: Give me more Masada Style Re: Icarus/News for Lulu/rock drumming RE : herb robertson Cobra Re: Cobra ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:44:49 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: 2xCD on Vinyl Communications (Otomo Yoshihide?) In a message dated 2/18/99 3:37:45 PM, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: << I just bought a record on the label Vinyl Communications. It is a 2xCD in a transparent case without the slightest mention of the artist... Because the record was in the Otomo Yoshihide section, I assume it a record by him (and I am pretty sure it is him -- great music with CDs which keep on slipping :-). Anyway, did the store losts the sleeve of the record, or is it really the way it is supposed to be sold? Also, any info about the record would be more than welcome. >> actually. this has nothing to do with Otomo. the artist name is DISC, which came on a little paper insert on the outside. it's a group from California having something to do with Matmos, and frankly, I was underwhelmed. most of the Vinyl Communications stuff has capsule descriptions on the Forced Exposure site, including a few other releases by Disc, although not this one. always full of answers, Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:07:00 -0500 (EST) From: Ethan Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #597 vc134 is by an artist called "disc," who has at least one other release on vinyl communications. http://vinylcomm.console.net/release.cgi?id=VC-134 ethan > From: "Patrice L. Roussel" > Subject: 2xCD on Vinyl Communications (Otomo Yoshihide?) > > ???? - Vinyl Communications (USA), vc134 (2xCD) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:16:06 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Mauricio Kagel On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:39:08 EST JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > > is this available on CD or just vinyl? This is one of the very few CD reissues of DG treasures. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:39:15 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?joaqu=EDn_villaverde?=" Subject: RE: Mauricio Kagel It´s on CD ref 445 252-2. (20th century classics) The other piece on the cd is: Tactil for three, with Bruck, Ross & Kagel. Joaquín - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:33:54 -0600 From: John Howard Subject: Jaki Byard Dead From a friend of mine: folks: more bad jazz news: heard today on WKCR that the great pianist Jaki Byard died last week. Davo heard from Morgan Kelsey (former pupil) that he was found last Thursday shot in the head at his home in Queens. His crackhead son is the prime suspect... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:20:56 +0100 From: "Rob Allaert" Subject: Downtown Lullaby Hi JazZorns, I recently bought "Downtown Lullaby" by Zorn and friends. To me, a Masada lover, it was like one step further, more improvising, more chaos (at times). But I must say that I like the record very much and I'm ready to love it even more. Sometimes I wonder if it's OK to like this type of music :-) Is this "just" four people playing their own song and then pasting it all together or is it sublime and intelligently produced? I'm inclined to believe the latter. I'm curious to find out what the other Zornlisters think about this album and this type of music in general. I also wonder if "Euclid's Nightmare" is comparable with "Lullaby" and if Zorn has made or will be making more jazz music as a quartet. Thanks a lot - - Rob, Belgium - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:43:44 EST From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: News for Lulu (was: a newbie here/ suggestions) In a message dated 2/18/99 8:00:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt writes: > What is it like, compared to other Zorn or Frisell projects? gtr, sax, and bone. very straight ahead stuff and VERY groovin. any1 who says that "avant garde" guys can't swing obviously hasn't heard these records - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:30:52 -0500 From: "Jason J. Tar" Subject: Disc. > A puzzle for the Otomo fans. > > I just bought a record on the label Vinyl Communications. It is a 2xCD >in a transparent case without the slightest mention of the artist... Because >the record was in the Otomo Yoshihide section, I assume it a record by him Nope, not him. It is by Disc. Disc being members of Matmos, Lesser, and Kid-606 doing manipulations of skipping cds. Not Otomo at all. (The packaging should have included a J-card around the spine of the case with that info.) JJTar. - --- Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar W. W. J. D? (What would Jason Do?) http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason ICQ@13792120 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:11:57 -0600 (CST) From: benjamin elliot axelrad Subject: zorn discs for trade Sorry if this is inappropriate. For sale or trade: Erik Friedlander's Chimera "The Watchman" Elliot Sharp "Figure Ground" John Zorn "Big Gundown", "Cobra (2XCD)" Zorn/Bailey/Parker "Harras" I'm particularly looking for FAX, Rather Interesting titles. Thanks, Ben - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:49:04 -0800 (PST) From: "m. rizzi" Subject: owner vacation I'm going on vacation until Feb. 28th, so if anyone is having problems unsubbing from the zorn list, well, tough. It'll have to wait until I return, all fresh faced and sunburned. Have fun and play nice. mike rizzi zorn-list-owner p.s. anyone need a VC++ contractor in SF area? If so, you'll have to wait too. :) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:54:52 -0000 From: Richard@rcvs.org.uk Subject: Icarus/News for Lulu/rock drumming Sorry to reply to several different things at once, but I figured it would save on bandwidth... > who else is in Icarus? Roger Curphy (double bass), Mark Wastell (cello), Carol Ann Jackson (voice) and Trevor Taylor (percussion and electronics). Probably not known names outside the London scene, but they make some good music together. I think you can still find out about FMR, the label, here: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/elabels.html#fmr > Hello, I've been wanting to ask this for quite some time now... I never > heard any of the above and was interested in whatever you can say about > it. What is it like, compared to other Zorn or Frisell projects? Thanks NFL is guitar, sax and trombone (the wonderful George Lewis) playing versions of 50's Blue Note tunes by the likes of Hank Mobley. These disks are the nearest thing to "straight" jazz I've heard Zorn do. There's not a boring minute on them, IMHO. > My comment was more about some experimental drummers' lack of feel for > what a rock beat really is, nothing with technique. Which means that > when used in a rock context, they can be fairly boring and uninspired. > Anyway, with few exceptions, everytime I have heard a boring drumming > recently, it was by an experimental drummer trying to play (what he > thought was) a rock rhythm. I think this whole debate centres around this: Q: Should people who are good musicians in one genre necessarily be good musicians in another? A: Nope. For my money the opposite opinion springs from two things: 1. The idea that techical command is something trans-generic, and that if you have great technique you can play anything (this is a myth that amateur musicians perpetuate amongst themselves); and 2. The idea that "being a great musician" is some kind of spiritual status which, again, has nothing to do with genre. If you put Hariprasad Chaurasia in a rock band he would make as much of a badger's arse of it as if John McLaughlin tried to play an evening raga . Rich - -------------------------------------------- Visit (musings), a resource for free jazz, experimental and otherwise non-standard musics: http://come.to/musings.com ...now with its own mailing list, musings-l - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:16:49 +0100 (MET) From: BJOERN Subject: herb robertson since this list is the ultimate source for music infos please let me know something about new york trumpet player herb robertson (recordings, played live with whom etc.) thanks BJOERN www.cityinfonetz.de/uni/homepage/bjoern.eichstaedt - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:48:23 +0100 From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel) Subject: Frith concert in Munich The Fred Frith Guitar Quartet (w/ Mark Stewart, René Lussier and Nick Didkovsky) gave a concert in the Unterfahrt (Munich) yesterday. First of all, if you can receive German radio, the concert will be broadcast on Bayern 2 on March 13, at 23.05 - I'm not sure whether they'll broadcast the whole show, though. It was an incredible concert. I didn't catch all of the song names, two were called "Traffic Continues" (two parts), one was called "Die Krankenschwester unsauber anlachen" (ahem) and another was, according to Fred, "inspired by a very irritating Australian bird". Never mind, all pieces were great. The interplay between the four guitarists was incredibly tight - if their album, "Ayaya Moses" is like that then this might be rather old news - and they had an intense dialogue going on. Fred and René were a bit more in the foreground, often doing some call-and-response and duels and whatever. René had an amazing solo part where got various freaky sounds out of his guitar, and at the end of it he played a little riff, then held his hands up in the air while the riff continued - since everyone was watching him & his hands, noone noticed that Fred had started to play. Another great part included a collage of amp buzzes. The band covered a large spectrum, from peaceful ballad-like stuff, to near- ambient drones, to funky (slightly atonal) rhythmic playing, a little country interlude, noise collages and more. Both Mark and Nick were more in the background, but they held everything together and contributed more sublimely, but equally great. Nick did have a great solo where his guitar almost sounded like you're switching frequencies on a shortwave radio. Oh well, I could go on forever. I do also have to praise the audience, which really went off on this stuff and applauded very enthusiastically. And I have to mention that the band was quite humorous, they certainly had a good time and enjoyed themselves, which hightened the enjoyment and, yes, the quality of the music even more. After the concert, they sold a few CDs (I got one by Nick's band, Doctor Nerve, which he also signed), and you had a chance to speak to them - I met Fred in a room near the stage where he signed three of my (his) CDs. Thanks again Fred, I guess you'll be reading this. You probably already noticed that I really loved the concert. Now I do certainly want to get some stuff by Mark, Nick and René. Any recommendations? (Besides the Ayaya Moses album, which is now on top of my shopping list.) Kind regards, - Chris. ---------------------------------------------------- Chris Genzel -- stamil@t-online.de ---------------------------------------------------- Discographies of Herbie Hancock, Michael Beinhorn & Bennie Maupin at: http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/ ---------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:18:51 EST From: Denmanic@aol.com Subject: Re: herb robertson In a message dated 2/19/99 5:18:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de writes: << please let me know something about new york trumpet player herb robertson (recordings, played live with whom etc.) >> He lives in Germany now. He's played live with me (Denman Maroney, piano) in several contexts: "Mean Times" (a band of mine that's only performed once or twice) with Ellery Eskelin (sax), Mark Dresser (bass), Phil Haynes (drums). "Mark Dresser's Force Green" with Theo Bleckmann (voice) and Mike Sarin (drums) - the original band (that recorded for Soul Note) had Dave Douglas (tpt) and Phil Haynes. "Iota Jot Yod" (a band that existed from 1980-83) with Shelley Hirsch (voice), David Simons (drums) and either Skip LaPlante, Ed Schuller, Arthur Kell or Ed Howard (bass). He's played live with many, many other people, too. Consistently very finely, too, I'm sure. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 06:31:32 PST From: "Scott Handley" Subject: Re: herb robertson ><< please let me know > something about new york trumpet player herb robertson (recordings, played > live with whom etc.) >> I don't believe his work with Tim Berne has been mentioned. It's great: he's prominent on SANCTIFIED DREAMS, PACE YOURSELF, and the one long composition on DIMINUTIVE MYSTERIES. Also outstanding is his work as the new(est) member of the New Winds w/ J.D. Parran and Robert Dick (I think). He had at least one solo record on JMT which I think is out of print. And the big news is that Screwgun might be releasing a Big Satan (Ducret, Berne, Rainey) record with Robertson guesting. I can only pray that happens soon (the first Big Satan is well worth your time...I liked it loads, and it's recorded beautifully). - ----s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:05:27 -0000 From: Richard@rcvs.org.uk Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style I know this is rather late, but I've been racking my brains to remember this guy's name.... If you like Masada and you'd like something more klezmer, less freeform, Andy Statman is a brilliant clarinettist who's often compared with late Coltrane; he's not an "energy" player, but uses very intricate melodic lines and complex polyrhythms. Well worth catching. Hope this is still of interest to someone :-). Rich - -------------------------------------------- Visit (musings), a resource for free jazz, experimental and otherwise non-standard musics: http://come.to/musings.com ...now with its own mailing list, musings-l - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:21:49 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: herb robertson I read somewhere that Robertson was now working out of Germany. Was this a temporary thing or has he become an expatriate? Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:31:31 -0500 From: "Michael Berman" Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style From: Richard@rcvs.org.uk If you like Masada and you'd like something more klezmer, less freeform, Andy Statman is a brilliant clarinettist who's often compared with late Coltrane; he's not an "energy" player, but uses very intricate melodic lines and complex polyrhythms. Well worth catching. .......dont know if its his most recent but, Statman has an album on Sanachie called 'between heaven and earth' w/ kenny werner p. /havie swartz b. /bob weiner perc. and guests bela fleck and david grisman mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:29:35 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Icarus/News for Lulu/rock drumming In a message dated 2/19/99 5:14:17 AM, Richard@rcvs.org.uk writes: << Roger Curphy (double bass), Mark Wastell (cello), Carol Ann Jackson (voice) and Trevor Taylor (percussion and electronics). Probably not known names outside the London scene, but they make some good music together. >> actually, I saw Wastell perform in Simon Fell's IST trio in November in Cambridge and really enjoyed it, as I did his performance on IST's Ghost Notes disc on Bruce's Fingers. Wastell is also on a superlimited CD (only 100 made) I picked up at that concert called Assumed Possibilities, along with Chris Burn, Phil Durrant and Rhodri Davies on harp, who's also the third member of IST. thanks for the info on Icarus; looking forward to hearing that one. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:49:24 -0500 From: "hijk" Subject: RE : herb robertson About the Screwgun Big Satan with Herb that was mentioned, Herb never played with Big Satan at the knit. He was supposed to, but had to cancel due to a family illness. The Big Satan shows were recorded and may see the light of day eventually. Also in Screwgun news, the reissue of Julius Hemhphill's Blue Boye is now available at your local hip record store. JK hijk@gateway.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:31:06 -0800 (PST) From: Justin T Laird Subject: Cobra I've been scouring the global information network for a copy of the rules for John Zorn's "Cobra" game, with no luck. Does anyone out there know where I might find them? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:48:12 PST From: "Douglas Clarke" Subject: Re: Cobra >Justin T Laird wrote: >I've been scouring the global information network for a copy of the rules >for John Zorn's "Cobra" game, with no luck. Does anyone out there >know >where I might find them? In the booklet of the yellow double cd cobra set is the code for what all the hand signals mean. The way the hand signals work is that you point to that part of your body, then hold up that number of digits. And if your signal is recognized by the prompter, he will then hold up the corresponding card. So its a start. The rest I have gotton by watching. I wish I had the card in front of me because I could then explain much better, but, head 1, 2, and 3 are sound memories. When a certain groove or ensemble gets going, a player can assign it a sound memory. Then, that memory can be called later, and the same group/groove will be played again. During the game, players could also create small ensembles or pairs by, with approval from the prompter, putting on a headband and giving them control to pick who they want to play with. Also several commands can be called such as everyone stop, evryone go, cartoon trades (where every player plays a note or burst in sequence), crossfade between two groups or sound memories, etc. Players may also stop other players from playing by holding up their thumb to them, and can invite them to play by doing like a "come here" gesture with their forefinger. I'd better stop, this may not all be correct. It just what I've picked up from watching. But there's certainly much more to it! - -Doug ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #598 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com