From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #618 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, March 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 618 In this issue: - Re: Sylvian/Ribot Re: Re: Sylvian/Ribot VOG Re: pachora some gigs (recommended) in nyc looking for US-musicians for german free-improv festival ISO album Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #617 Re: VOG Re: The solution to my Tony Oxley mystery Edgard Varese Re: Edgard Varese Re: ISO album Re: ISO album Coleman/ Trumpet Re: Edgard Varese Re: Kenny G. Re: ISO album Re: ISO album Alone Again Re: ISO album ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:59:35 +0200 From: Blind Subject: Re: Sylvian/Ribot As far as I know, it's called 'Dead Bees on a cake' and the musicians are: Kenny Wheeler, Marc Ribot, Talvin Singh, Bill Frisell. It's on Virgin, don't know if it's available already. hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote: > >Speaking of Ribot turning up in odd places, has anyone yet heard the > >new David Sylvian album? > Label? Musicians? Title? Is it available? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:00:08 EST From: Slntwtchr@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Sylvian/Ribot >As far as I know, it's called 'Dead Bees on a cake' and the musicians >are: >Kenny Wheeler, Marc Ribot, Talvin Singh, Bill Frisell. It's on Virgin, >don't know if it's available already. last i heard, it was either the 23rd or 30th of this month in the us. i think the 30th is the correct date, but don't quote me on that. peace, dave ___________________________________________________________ bill laswell, eraldo bernocchi, mick harris and lori carson discographies at : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093 ___________________________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:08:09 -0800 From: pjm Subject: VOG Does anyone know if the live VOG (Horvitz/Skerik/ etc..) cd was ever released? Have they released anything at all? Thanks pjm - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 02:58:52 EST From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: pachora In a message dated 3/10/99 8:41:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, a.chua@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au writes: > say, has anyone heard the new pachora on the knitting factory label yet? Yes, excellent recording! If you liked the first release, you will certainly like this one. > BTW, how DO you pronounce pachora anyway? > pa-chor'-a (the "a"'s are schwas) - -Jody - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:17:36 +0000 From: picnic thisway Subject: some gigs (recommended) in nyc hello. it's been sometime since i checked in. i have some gigs to recommend again (if you're around nyc.) 1: Rashied Ali & Sonny Fortune duo Arthur Doyle trio feat. Rashid Bakr & Wilber Morris saturday, march 13th (door: 9 p.m.)=20 @the cooler, 416 w. 14th st. (bet. 9th & 10th aves.) 212.229.0785 or http://www.thecooler.com admission: $8 w/ flyer (avail. @various downtown record shops & clubs - read: downtown music gallery, mondo kim's, other music, tonic, etc.) or $10 w/o 2: Peter Scherer (remember?! he was a member of Arto Lindsay's 'ambitious lovers'!) with Skuli Sverrisson - duo Michiyo Yagi (who just released new solo from Tzadik. very exciting koto player) & Marc Sloan (E#'s original Carbon member) duo plus DJ Olive (of 'we=99' - asphodel)=20 plus Badawi (who's new solo from asphodel is a great wacked dub percussion!) monday, march 15th (door: 8:45 p.m.) @the cooler - see above for address etc. admission: oh yes! it's a part of monday series!! so - FREE! 3: Michiyo Yagi (see above) & Ehran Elisha duo saturday, march 13th (1:30 p.m.) FREE SHOW @tonic, 107 norfolk st. (bet. delancey & rivington) 212.358.7503 or http://www.tonic107.com this is another Yagi's free show. check her out while she's in town. 4: another Michiyo Yagi gig - w/ Aki Nakamura on shakuhachi friday, march 12th=20 @Japan Society, 333 E. 47th st. nyc, 212.752.3015 call for admission etc. - ----- (sorry! i didn't list them in chronological order. i'm too sleepy & in a hurry...;(( catch it while you can... pt - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:26:35 +0100 (MET) From: BJOERN Subject: looking for US-musicians for german free-improv festival could someone from the zorn-list please forward this to other free-improvisation lists: - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- we are looking for US-american musicians who are interested in taking part in an international free-improv/experimental festival in Tuebingen (near STuttgart)/germany, october 15 and 16. we are working with the institute for german-american culture exchanges and are able to offer: payment for flight, hotel and food. we are NOT able to pay any extra money for the performance. everybody who is interested should send his/her material including: recording of representative material on cd, vinyl or audio tape, info material with references (played with XY live, took part in the recording of cd XY etc.), press stuff and contact address,email and fax-number,plus one black and white photo within the next ten days (sending deadline should be march 25) to: Bjoern Eichstaedt Gechtstr.49 72074 Tuebingen GERMANY we will get in contact with the musicians we are interested in until the end of april. all extra informations needed will be given then.... looking forward to your material BJOERN EICHSTAEDT www.cityinfonetz.de/homepages/bjoern.eichstaedt/index.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:30:46 -0600 From: "Marks, Andy" Subject: ISO album Does anybody have that new ISO album with Otomo Yoshihide? I've got the Filament album on Extreme and don't like it at all. I was wondering how the ISO album compares to this. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:25:43 -0800 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #617 On the contrary, tKenny Goldsmith (who's Web site this is a URL) is THE Kenny G. The other one (my nominal home boy)'s not worth considering. Bests, Herb Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:32:03 -0800 From: Subject: Re: Avant links just so everyone knows this is not THE Kenny G!! thank god. patrick in portland Caleb T. Deupree wrote: > At 10:46 PM 3/9/99 EST, Nvinokur@aol.com wrote: > > kenny g's avant links > > Amazing, there's actually some very interesting stuff here. > > -- > Caleb Deupree > cdeupree@erinet.com > > Computers are useless; they can only give you answers > -- Pablo Picasso > > - Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:16:15 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: VOG On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:08:09 -0800 pjm wrote: > > Does anyone know if the live VOG (Horvitz/Skerik/ etc..) cd was ever > released? Have they released anything at all? Not to my knowledge. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:41:15 EST From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: The solution to my Tony Oxley mystery In a message dated 3/10/99 2:03:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: > > For those who were curious, the band I'd been watching tonight on "BET > on Jazz," taped "Live at the Brewhouse," was: pianist Gordon Beck, > trumpeter/flugelhornist Kenny Wheeler, saxophonist/flutist Stan > Sultzman, bassist Dieter Ilg and (yes!) percussionist Tony Oxley. That concert was a tribute to pianist Bill Evans. Recorded in '90 or '91-- I've had the laserdisc for a few years. I think all the tunes were Evans' except for one Gordon Beck tune. A friend of mine has a great Gordon Beck webpage at: http://www.enter.net/~rainsong/gordonbeck.html - -Jody - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:54:47 -0800 From: Jason Tors Subject: Edgard Varese I went through the links on http://wfmu.org/~kennyg/links.html One that attracted me very much was the piece on Edgard Varese written by FZ. Can someone recomend [and a brief personal opinion ] a good starter album to pick up? Thanks, [respond privately if inappropriate for zornlist ] JT - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:16:03 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Edgard Varese On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:54:47 -0800 Jason Tors wrote: > > I went through the links on http://wfmu.org/~kennyg/links.html > > One that attracted me very much was the piece on Edgard Varese written by > FZ. Can someone recomend [and a brief personal opinion ] a good starter > album to pick up? The sad thing about Varese is that a full creative life barely amounts for two hours of music :-(. The good thing is that you can have the Varese's integrale (no pun intended) without taking the risk of ruining your savings. If you find it, try to get the 2xCD set aptly named THE COMPLETE WORKS. If not the following CD is fantastic (Kent Nagano keeps on putting great records with an excellent selection of compositions -- look at the Messiaen one, for another example). Advices? With such a small production, I am not taking too many risks by saying that they is really no mediocre compositions. I have my favorites, but I would have a hard time at finding one that is not of prime importance. The color of the orchestrations, the complexity of the harmony, and the heavy use of percussion are the main characteristic of Varese. Like few mavericks of this century, nobody really tried to build on his discoveries. Patrice (sad to know that there is nothing more to expect from Varese's production). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - L'OEUVRE DE EDGAR VARESE: Edgar Varese 1/ Densite 21,5 (for solo flute) (Varese) 3:37 2/ Ionisation (Varese) 6:18 3/ Ecuatorial (Varese) 10:58 4/ Nocturnal (Varese) 11:12 5/ Integrales (Varese) 10:37 6/ Deserts (Varese) 25:36 Philippe Pierlot (1): flute; Phyllis Bryn-Julson (4): soprano; Nicholas Isherwood (3): bass-baritone; Male choir of Radio France directed by Richard Cook (4); Orchestre National de France directed by Kent Nagano (2-6). 1996 - Erato (France), 0630-14332-2 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - THE COMPLETE WORKS: Edgar Varese Disc 1: 1/ Tuning Up 5:00 2/ Ameriques (original version) 24:38 3/ Poeme Electronique 8:02 4/ Arcana 18:22 5/ Nocturnal 10:25 6/ Un Grand Sommeil Noir (orchestral version) 4:08 Disc 2: 7/ Un Grand Sommeil Noir (original version) 2:46 8/ Offrandes 9/ Hyperprism 4:18 10/ Octandre 11/ Integrales 10:18 12/ Ecuatorial 11:27 13/ Ionisation 5:51 14/ Density 21.5 4:05 15/ Deserts 16/ Dance For Burgess 1:48 Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra (disc 1); ASKO Ensemble (disc 2); Richard Chailly: conductor. 1998 - London/Decca (UK), 289 460 208-2 (2xCD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:19:24 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: ISO album In a message dated 3/11/99 8:43:07 AM, Andy.Marks@mts.com writes: << Does anybody have that new ISO album with Otomo Yoshihide? I've got the Filament album on Extreme and don't like it at all. I was wondering how the ISO album compares to this. >> the new ISO on Alcohol is much preferable to the Extreme Filament record. imagine the bare-bones skeletal (and boring) structure of the Filament record with a third musician added, which seems to be just enough to make it infinitely more musical and interesting. Otomo seems to be bound and determiend to explore this post-Ikeda direction of sine tones until he gets it right, and this is easily the closest he's come yet, although I still don't think it's a real strength for him. so, all in all, I do like this one a lot, and it makes me way more excited about seeing ISO at Victo this year, but if you don't have Ikeda's +/- (Touch) yet, pick that one up first. I think it's one of the three most important records of the decade so far, along with Portishead's Dummy and Olivia Tremor Control's Dusk At Cubist Castle. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:29:12 -0800 From: Keith McMullen Subject: Re: ISO album > if you don't have Ikeda's +/- (Touch) > yet, pick that one up first. I think it's one of the three most important > records of the decade so far, along with Portishead's Dummy and Olivia Tremor > Control's Dusk At Cubist Castle. I can feel Zornlisters' hearts racing on this one.....now take a deep breath and count to ten before responding.....it's going to be all right...... - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 99 15:40:26 -0300 From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: Coleman/ Trumpet Hello! Just to ask: - - opinions on Anthony Coleman's Disco By Night and Lounge Lizards' Voice of Chunk. What labels were both released? Worth listening to? Thanks in advance. Hugo - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:47:02 +0000 From: "Scott" Subject: Re: Edgard Varese >> >> One that attracted me very much was the piece on Edgard Varese written by >> FZ. Can someone recomend [and a brief personal opinion ] a good starter >> album to pick up? > >If you find it, try to get the 2xCD set aptly named THE COMPLETE WORKS. All of Varese is amazing! Ionisations being the most (in)famous, featuring klaxens, horns, rattling percussion and other not so 'musical' devices. There supposedly exists recordings of the complete works of Varese by the Ensemble Modern made under Zappa's guidance in his last years. The Zappa site has been promising their release for ages but nothing seems to have happened. Scott - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:29:48 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Kenny G. There was a time when Kenny Garrett was identifying himself at the end of sets as "Kenny G." Considering his sets were then half-electric-R&B-fusion and half mainstream jazz, it seemed appropriate at the time. I haven't heard anything since then that would change my opinion of him as the second Kenny G. Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Herb Levy wrote: > On the contrary, tKenny Goldsmith (who's Web site this is a URL) is THE > Kenny G. > > The other one (my nominal home boy)'s not worth considering. > > Bests, > > Herb > > > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:32:03 -0800 > From: > Subject: Re: Avant links > > just so everyone knows this is not THE Kenny G!! thank god. > patrick in portland > > Caleb T. Deupree wrote: > > > At 10:46 PM 3/9/99 EST, Nvinokur@aol.com wrote: > > > kenny g's avant links > > > > Amazing, there's actually some very interesting stuff here. > > > > -- > > Caleb Deupree > > cdeupree@erinet.com > > > > Computers are useless; they can only give you answers > > -- Pablo Picasso > > > > - > > > Herb Levy > herb@eskimo.com > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:25:07 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: ISO album In a message dated 3/11/99 1:37:34 PM, mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us writes: << > if you don't have Ikeda's +/- (Touch) > yet, pick that one up first. I think it's one of the three most important > records of the decade so far, along with Portishead's Dummy and Olivia Tremor > Control's Dusk At Cubist Castle. I can feel Zornlisters' hearts racing on this one.....now take a deep breath and count to ten before responding.....it's going to be all right...... >> I'm not sure exactly what this response means. I didn't say best records of the nineties, although these three would certainly make my list of those also. each of these three basically singlehandedly spawned a new genre, although the OTC offshoots aren't quite as clear-cut yet. if you can name a more Zorn- oriented record from the nineties that's as important in the larger scheme of things, I'd like to know what it is. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:33:53 -0800 From: Keith McMullen Subject: Re: ISO album > I can feel Zornlisters' hearts racing on this one.....now take a deep > breath and count to ten before responding.....it's going to be all > right...... >> > > I'm not sure exactly what this response means. It means on a list of over 400 highly passionate and opinionated music lovers, any assertion of the three most important of anything is going to evoke wide disagreement. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:20:15 -0500 (EST) From: "David J. Strauss" Subject: Alone Again > I'm waiting for Galaxy to reissue a Redman set from the 1970s with his > version of "Alone Again, Naturally". > Ken Waxman Fantasy reissued this CD (MUSICS) a couple of years ago. DS djs2852@is.nyu.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:22:10 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: ISO album > the new ISO on Alcohol is much preferable to the Extreme Filament recor= d. > imagine the bare-bones skeletal (and boring) structure of the Filament = record > with a third musician added, which seems to be just enough to make it > infinitely more musical and interesting. Otomo seems to be bound and > determiend to explore this post-Ikeda direction of sine tones until he = gets it > right, and this is easily the closest he's come yet, although I still d= on't > think it's a real strength for him. I think this disc excites me more than it does Jon. I have Ikeda's '+/-' = and there are, of course, the obvious parallels but the I.S.O. is a pretty differen= t ball of wax. It seems much less of the headphonics type stuff I heard on 'Gravity= Clock' and really is something quite its own. Well I think it's pretty great and= would recommend it. Here's what Forced Exposure has to say about it: "Recorded and mixed by Xentos (aka Amos, aka L.Voag) in London 1998. Four tracks (A, B, C, D) of deeply transparent music by Otomo Yoshihide (turnt= ables), Sachiko Matsubara (sine wave) and Ichiraku Yoshimitsu (percussion). New m= usic from the players behind Ground Zero and similarly radical. The future of = techno or something altogether new? The result is numinous, enigmatic, transparent = - -- by turns violently disturbing and quizzically tranquil. Recorded and mixed i= n real time by the mysterious Xentos, it moves at its own mind-boggling pace. Otomo s= ays that for him this is the most important record he's done: 'I am sure this CD w= ill be my most important work and I.S.O.'s best one; and it may be big milestone of= new music history like first Derek Bailey solo 1970. I am so excited about it= !'" It seems as if Jon would give this credit to Ikeda... (I don't disagree) Anyway, I came across some upcoming Otomo discs that look pretty interest= ing: Otomo, Yoshihide. Dear Derek. meme, to be released 1999. Tetreault, Martin, and Yoshihide Otomo. Duo. Ambience Magnetic, to be rel= eased 1999. Marclay, Christian, and Yoshihide Otomo. Duo. Asphodel, to be released 19= 99. Filament and G=FCnter M=FCller. AMOEBiC, to be released Summer 1999. Ground Zero. (The final Ground Zero concert at Shibuya On-Air West, Tokyo= on March 8, 1998). AMOEBiC, AMO-VA-02, to be released Spring 1999. Microcosmos (duo w/Tenko). Pilgrimage. Tzadik, to be released January 199= 9. > so, all in all, I do like this one a lot, and it makes me way more exci= ted > about seeing ISO at Victo this year, but if you don't have Ikeda's +/- = (Touch) > yet, pick that one up first. And get Karuna Khyal's 'Alomoni 1985' and Brast Burn's 'Debon' too! -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #618 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. 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