From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #649 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, April 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 649 In this issue: - Re: R: plunderphonics Re: Ornette's Broken Shadows Vinyl reissues Vinyl reissues Re: cobra tom waits tour dates Re: tom waits tour dates O'Rourke's "Norton Recovery" Re: koto Re: Ornette's Broken Shadows (long) mingus on candid Re: Al-Jabr Re: poetry request (NOT off topic) Re: mingus on candid AUM + No More Weekend/THIS! Off Topic: Mick Harris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:15:39 -0500 From: fate@telepath.com (Jonathan Mooneyham) Subject: Re: R: plunderphonics >did anybody try? There's something seriously wrong with track 14.... it >stops after downloading tens of mega. I've got most of the rest - impossible >to do on a modem connection I think as it takes days, literally. I'm burning >the cd but I'm stuck - nobody answers at the site. I'd hate to do it without >one of the files.... Yep, I downloaded the whole enchilada about a year and a half ago - took about four days on my crummy 28.8 modem... Burned a few extra copies to disc and handed 'em out to friends. The folks at Mystery Lab were even kind enough to send me a slightly higher resolution tiff of the cover (actually a scan of a color copy of the orig.) to slap on the packaging. Francesco, if you keep having trouble w/ the McCartney track, contact me off-list and I'll set up a temporary ftp site so you can grab it... Jon M. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 P E G A S U S M a i l 2000 06:00:26 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Ornette's Broken Shadows Can the lucky owner or someone give details of this album (personnel, tracks, date). I thought he only did the two for Columbia. Sean Wilkie - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:39:35 GMT From: "johnnnnn schuller" Subject: Vinyl reissues The Ornette and Hancock vinyl pressings I have read about might not be repressings. I have bought a few of the Miles Davis Columbia sealed lp's recently. I have been told by the record store guy that they are not repressings but early eighties pressings. He said what happened was Columbia is clearing out their warehouses of their Jazz lp's that they put away with the compact disc taking over. They figure since there is a market for them they might as well unload them. That is why I can find them for $6.99 to $9.99 as opposed to the $12.99 to $15.99 you find some repressings at. John _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:43:54 GMT From: "johnnnnn schuller" Subject: Vinyl reissues The Ornette and Hancock vinyl pressings I have read about might not be repressings. I have bought a few of the Miles Davis Columbia sealed lp's recently. I have been told by the record store guy that they are not repressings but early eighties pressings. He said what happened was Columbia is clearing out their warehouses of their Jazz lp's that they put away with the compact disc taking over. They figure since there is a market for them they might as well unload them. That is why I can find them for $6.99 to $9.99 as opposed to the $12.99 to $15.99 you find some repressings at. John _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:24:56 EDT From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com Subject: Re: cobra In a message dated 4/20/99 10:23:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << On a related note, what's the craze about Cobra? Is it "better" in any way than other game pieces? Or is it just more popular on this list because of some unknown reason? >> good question. i suspect that it's just "the one that got away." all it takes is one xerox copy and voila it could end up anywhere. i'm fairly certain that the other such pieces are only in zorn's hands, and all their performances have involved him. - -joseph - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:38:17 -0800 From: Jason Tors Subject: tom waits tour dates In anticipation of a tour and mobbed theatres, does anyone have any advanced NYC [ or any other ] tour dates and locations. The new album Mule Variations is due out on the 27th of this month. Just one more week to WAIT. thanks for your help. JT - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:53:57 EDT From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Re: tom waits tour dates Tom Waits for No One - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:24:56 -0400 From: David Keffer Subject: O'Rourke's "Norton Recovery" Hey Folks on the Zorn List, I happened to download a recent composition by Jim O'Rourke entitled "Norton Recovery" radio broadcast 1998 broadcast on the Kunstradio program on Austrian national radio; available via RealAudio (and also orderable on cassette) at http://thing.at/orfkunstradio/1998B/1_10_98.html It's 40 minutes long (6 MB) and it's a very neat thing. Got some tracks from his latest album "Eureka" put into a collage with orchestral works, tape recorded conversations of people arguing, some electronic manipulation a la "Table, Chair, Hatstand", and some dialogue in German. It's neat and it's free. I recommend just downloading the file rather than trying to listen to 40 minutes of streaming audio. David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:23:26 -0400 From: eric ong Subject: Re: koto Hello folks, >guide...there's a new Leo cd with two koto players (Lardner? and >someone else) and shakuchai(?) player also - sorry, i don't have the >details before me; check the Leo site for info. The koto players are Shoko Hikage and Brett Larner, and Philip Gelb as the shakuhachi player. It was released last week. You can actually order a copy directly from Phil (ryokan@wenet.net) if you want. If not, you may just want to visit his website for more info on this release and others he's appeared on (http://www.hooked.net/~ryokan/). When Prevost played CA last week, he invited Phil but apparently he was already booked. I'd love to hear an eventual collaboration between the two. From what I understand, there's a bunch of shakuhachi players here in NYC...? Hmm, we should all meet and go bowling sometime. - -eric. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:13:19 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Ornette's Broken Shadows (long) DR S WILKIE wrote: > Can the lucky owner or someone give details of this album > (personnel, tracks, date). I thought he only did the two for Columbia. "Broken Shadows" was a collection of Columbia-era outtakes first issued in 1982. Five cuts are from the initial "Science Fiction" session of September 9, 1971; the others from a peculiar unissued 1972 session with Cedar Walton, Jim Hall, blues singer Webster Armstrong and a woodwind quintet added to Coleman's quartet. Japanese Sony issued it on CD in 1993 or 1995, it's not precisely clear which. The material is mixed but some of it is pretty special. Of the "Science Fiction" outtakes, the almost-double quartet "Happy House" is classic Coleman with a memorable head. "Elizabeth" is a lesser dirge (although the drummers play with the time a lot) in the Coleman canon, but the massed sonority of all the horns makes it interesting. "School Days" is a nice reading of either one of Ornette's most memorable themes or one of his most cloying - it's the tune from "The Good Life" on "Skies of America" and "Theme from a Symphony" on "Dancing in Your Head." "Country Town Blues" is a lesser tune that nevertheless might be contemporaneous with earlier tunes like "Ramblin'." "Broken Shadows" is one of Coleman's best dirge tunes, a studio version that nevertheless does not surpass the intense earlier live version from the Impulse album "Crisis!" Of the latter session, "Rubber Gloves" is a catchy miniature that anticipates the short tunes on the much later "In All Languages," with some especially pithy give and take between the horns and a crappy recorded bass sound. "Good Girl Blues" is a strangely twisted jump blues with some pretty routine lyrics (presumably by Ornette). It's especially interesting to hear Hall and Walton bravely comping their way through the tumult created by the clash of Coleman's group and the woodwind quintet, and Dewey plays some pretty, romping Texas tenor. "Is It Forever" is a similarly standard jazz ballad-form with some typical "I'm so all alone" lyrical cliches. Again, Dewey plays the straight man and his tenor playing is quite lovely. And it's interesting to ponder whether Coleman considered these two tracks potential crossover material - certainly they're his most literal expressions of aspects of the Texas jazz tradition from which he sprang. Less than essential, perhaps, but more than for completists only. If I were issuing star ratings I'd give it a solid three within the context of the Coleman ouevre. The tune "Happy House" is certainly one of Coleman's best achievements, and the title tune will do nicely for anyone who doesn't have "Crisis!" (which badly needs reissuing, but Impulse can't do it because Ornette now owns the tapes). Ornette Coleman: Broken Shadows (Sony Japan SRCS 7098) Recorded 1971-72 Released 1982 Reissued 1993 (1995?) All compositions by Ornette Coleman 1. Happy House (9:48) Sept. 9, 1971 Coleman, Dewey Redman, Don Cherry, Bobby Bradford, Charlie Haden, Ed Blackwell, Billy Higgins 2. Elizabeth (10:26) Sept. 9, 1971 same personnel as 1 3. School Work (5:37) Sept. 9, 1971 Coleman, Redman, Cherry, Haden, Blackwell 4. Country Town Blues (6:26) Sept. 9, 1971 Coleman, Cherry, Haden, Higgins 5. Broken Shadows (6:42) Sept. 9, 1971 same personnel as 1 6. Rubber Gloves (3:24) Sept. 1972 Coleman, Redman, Haden, Blackwell 7. Good Girl Blues (3:05) Sept. 1972 Coleman, Redman, Haden, Blackwell, Cedar Walton (piano), Jim Hall (guitar), Webster Armstrong (vocals), unidentified oboe, bassoon, French horn, flute, clarinet 8. Is It Forever (4:50) Sept. 1972 same personnel as 7 Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Derek Bailey, "A Bit of the Dumps," _Fairly Early with Postscripts_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:53:14 -0700 From: "david rothbaum" Subject: mingus on candid i was wondering if anyone knew where one could get some of the mingus recordings on candid. specifically the recordings with eric dolphy. i know there was a box set at one point but as far as i can tell all of this material is out of print. also in the dolphy documentary last date there is some footage of mingus and dolphy from the jazz workshop (in the jazz workshop?) and i was wondering if this was available on video? i apologize for the lack of zorn content save that he mentions these recordings on the radio liner notes... thanks, david - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:13:18 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Al-Jabr In a message dated 4/20/99 12:17:19 AM, tpratt@ctech.smtc.net writes: << I'm otherwise completely unfamiliar with Disinformation. Are the original recordings any good? >> I've actually never heard any of the original records, just an older, more conventional remix double CD, Antiphony (Ash International). not in the same league as Al-Jabr. Disinformation is playing the London Musician's Collective festival this year, which I would probably go to if it wasn't the week after Victoriaville. lots of good stuff though, Pierre Henry, John Tilbury, Lol Coxhill, Philip Corner, among others. more info at http://www.l-m-c.org.uk. if anyone goes, I expect a full report. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:28:58 -0700 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: poetry request (NOT off topic) Since I've got some Zorn content here, I'm sending this to the list as well as to Paul. First, I'd recommend looking at a book by Bruce Andrews (who has performed with Zorn over the years & makes his own tape collage pieces infrequently) called "I Don't Have Any Paper So Shut Up (or Social Romanticism)," It's published by Sun & Moon who are a fairly big small press so it's even available at chain stores and often purchased for libraries. The work is a series of many short pieces that bring together statements from a wide range of political views with lots of wordplay, obscenity & weirdness. Andrews' position in re to any standard political line may be more complex to analyze than some of Baraka's pieces. There are several other poets that Zorn has worked with on various projects, all of whiom have a political dimension to their work, including Lyn Hejinian, Myung Mi Kim, and Abigail Child. I'd also like to note that Hip's Road is supporting the publication of a series of fifty books by poets under the press Atelos. The series is edited by Lyn Hejinian & Travis Ortiz. Four books are out now: Jean Day: The Literal World; Barrett Watten: Bad History;Rae Armantrout: True: and Pamela Lu: Pamela A Novel. The forthcoming list includes a lot of interesting writers including thne following Lytle Shaw, Leslie Scalapino, Carla Harryman, Clark Coolidge, Rodrigo Toscano, Bob Perelman, Kit Robinson & lots more. Here's the blurb from the back of the book: Atelos was founded in 1995 as a project of Hip's Road, devoted to publishing, under the sign of poetry, writing which challenges the conventional definitions of poetry, since such definitions have tended to isolate poetry from intellectual life, arrest its development, and curtail its impact. All the works published as part of the Atelos project are commissioned specifically for it, and each is involved in some way with crossing traditional genre boundaries, including for example, those that would separate theory from practice, poetry from prose, essay from drama, the visual image from the verbal, the literary from the non-literary and so forth. The books are distributed by Small Press Distrbution, 1341 Seventh Street. Berkeley, CA 94710. They have a toll-free (in the US) number 800 869-7553, & e-mail is . Their Web site is . They also carry a bunch of other things that may be of zorn-related interest (like that Serge Gainsbourg novel. etc.), as well as plenty of other stuff. & unlike most distributors of esoteric music, they still publish print catalogs a couple of times a year chock full of hard to find books. Bests, Herb >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:19:41 -0500 (CDT) >From: Paul Audino >Subject: OFF TOPIC : Need Reccomendation For Poetry Class > >Hello y'all, > >I'm looking for recomendations for a paper that I have to write for a >poetry class. The assignment is to read a book of poetry by a "political >poet" and write a short paper. Since I picked up so many good books the >last time the lit thread passed by here, I thought that I would ask for >some ideas here. Oh, and the books cannot be by Amiri Baraka or the Last >Poets since I've a) writen about the first already this semester and b) >have already read the only book by the latter. > >E-mail is probably most appropriate, but hey... > >Thanks, > >Paul >psaudino@interaccess.com > > GROOVE >- ---------- >One Nation > > Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:31:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: mingus on candid Unfortunately your best bet is a used record store. The discs were first out on Candid, then reissued on Barnaby and probably put out one other time. The masterpiece of the group is "Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus" with Dolphy, Ted Cusron (tmpt); Mingus and Dannie Richmond (d) playing tunes such as "Fables of Faubus" and "All The Things You Could Be By Know If Sigmund Freud's Wife Was Your Mother." If you can find the out-of-print Mosaic complete Candid recordings, it's even better. Not only does it include all the released material, but unreleased sessions, like Dolphy playing with Swing era trumpeter Roy Eldridge. Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, david rothbaum wrote: > i was wondering if anyone knew where one could get some of the mingus > recordings on candid. specifically the recordings with eric dolphy. i know > there was a box set at one point but as far as i can tell all of this > material is out of print. also in the dolphy documentary last date there is > some footage of mingus and dolphy from the jazz workshop (in the jazz > workshop?) and i was wondering if this was available on video? > > > thanks, > > david > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 99 11:59:44 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: AUM + No More Weekend/THIS! Hello Folks, Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum has asked two good men -- Steve Joerg of Aum Fidelity and Alan Schneider of No More Records -- to book a weekend of music. These guys are both doing one-man labors of love putting out cds by the likes of William Parker (solo and In Order to Survive), Roy Campbell (Pyramid Trio and Other Dimensions in Music) and an excellent 2 cd compilation from the 1997 Vision Fest. They put together a schedule I'm very excited about. If you're within a few hundred miles, please come. kg FRIDAY APRIL 23 JOE MORRIS + WILLIAM PARKER: this massive duo meets for the third time live; which, on previous occassions, has proven to be stunningly sublime. MAT MANERI DUO with RANDY PETERSON: Mat's prodigious violin with perfect push and drive from long-tome cohort, drummer Randy Peterson. Prefaces a forthcoming (sometime '99) CD on No More. SATURDAY APRIL 24 ROB BROWN QUARTET: Rob Brown/alto, Roy Campbell/trumpet, Chris Lightcap/bass, Jackson Krall/drums.....we all need to here More from Mr. Brown; this very special Quartet is where he has been placing much of his energy lately; working tight with this great great group. Also prefaces a forthcoming CD on No More. WHIT DICKEY TRIO: Whit Dickey/drums, Rob Brown/alto, Chris Lightcap/bass... The group that made the fantastic AUM CD 'Transonic', which, if you haven't picked it up yet, really ought only to be a reflection on your utter lack of funds. A rare appearance live! at THE BRECHT FORUM 122 West 27th St (between 6 + 7 Ave), 10th Floor, NYC Each Night: 8pm / $10 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:39:17 EDT From: TWHY666@aol.com Subject: Off Topic: Mick Harris Can someone please give me more info on the side projects of Mr. Harris. I know of Scorn, Painkiller, Defecation, Napalm Death, Lull, Overload Lady, Praxis, Murder Ballads, solo CDs with laswell/PCM ect..., and Quoit. What am I missing? A while ago someone posted a project of his that started with "C" but for the life of me I can't remember the name. Thanx! - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #649 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com