From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #659 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, May 6 1999 Volume 02 : Number 659 In this issue: - mule variations Grawe at MIT? John Zorn/Jimmy Page Connection? Re: tom waits chapin Re: Ornette Bootlegs Re: Musso CD Re: John Zorn/Jimmy Page Connection? Re: John Zorn/Jimmy Page Connection? Re: John Zorn/Jimmy Page Connection? Re: John Zorn/Jimmy Page Connection? Re: John Zorn/Jimmy Page Connection? No Subject RE: No Subject Re: No Subject chapin Steve Beresford archive? Esperando un poco (Waiting a Little) | Z R M W | Re: chapin 5/15 more Re: Steve Beresford Re: Steve Beresford Re: | Z R M W | chapin/Avantango Re: Steve Beresford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 May 99 18:26:32 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: mule variations i've gone back and forth on this, fearing rumor-mongering, but decided we can talk here, right?, so i'll jump in on the waits talk. on 1st listen i slowly went from entertained-if-underwhelmed to practically in tears. ok, little new ground here. even the use of turntables doesn't create atmospheres he hasn't used before. and after the surprise of "bone machine," i was disappointed. but i believe rumors about his health have gone around here, and if not, i've heard them from enough sources that others on this list surely have, too. i think this is his most personal release by far. listening to it, i began to have images of someone creating their own retrospective from scratch. i don't mean to be overly morbid, but even if he's healthy as a horse, the last two songs are more clearly about accepting death than most any pop(?) songs i've heard. i don't really know anything about his health except for the rumors, but i think the songs alone make certain suggestions, regardless of the gossip. i really hope this isn't his last record, and it's probably not his best. but in a lot of ways, i think it's his most beautiful. kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 19:02:53 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Grawe at MIT? Georg Grawe is listed at Stubley's EFI page as possibly performing a solo show at MIT on May 28th. Does anyone know if this is actually happening? Thanks. -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:16:03 -0400 From: "Zachary J. Griffin" Subject: John Zorn/Jimmy Page Connection? Hello, I was at a record store earlier today. I came across a Jimmy Page double-CD titled "Before the Balloon Flew" (or something like that). One of the CD's had Led Zeppelin covers. One tack listed was "Friends" by a group called Pain Killer. Does anyone know if Pain Killer is the same as the Zorn, Laswell etc. Painkiller? No one at the record store knew the answer. I didn't see the song listed on the Painkiller complete studio recordings box set on the Tzadik website. So, I'm thinking no. But I would like to know for sure. Thank you in advance, Zach Griffin - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:33:24 EDT From: OnionPalac@aol.com Subject: Re: tom waits I have to say What's He Building is an interesting and funny story. If that song was my first impression of Waits I'd be sure to have discovered someone special. It's a great little tale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 13:12:51 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: chapin any details on the forthcoming Thomas Chapin cd on knittingfactory? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 13:57:54 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Ornette Bootlegs Thanks to whoever cleared up the confusion about the two different albums under the Broken Shadows title. Can anyone help with the following further confusion? many many moons ago, I was lent an ornette album, possibly on an italian label, which claimed that the music was ca. 1961 but didn't specify any players other than Ornette. There were at least two other horns on it, and, as best as i can remember, both sides of the album were identical! There was no track listing but five pieces on each side, and the Dancing In Your Head theme was one of them. My tape copy of this disappeared in a fire four or five years ago, so I'm understandably a bit vague about the details. Anyone recognise it? Sean Wilkie - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:22:13 -0400 From: theorcolus Subject: Re: Musso CD I play bass in Bob's new group Transonic and he just told me the Robert Musso / Steve Buchannen Duo CD has not been released. I will let you know if the situation changers. David C Gross - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:19:42 EDT From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: John Zorn/Jimmy Page Connection? In a message dated 5/4/99 10:12:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zgriffin@iconn.net writes: > Hello, > I was at a record store earlier today. I came across a Jimmy Page > double-CD titled "Before the Balloon Flew" (or something like that). > One of the CD's had Led Zeppelin covers. One tack listed was "Friends" > by a group called Pain Killer. Does anyone know if Pain Killer is the > same as the Zorn, Laswell etc. Painkiller? No one at the record store > knew the answer. I didn't see the song listed on the Painkiller complete > studio recordings box set on the Tzadik website. So, I'm thinking no. > But I would like to know for sure. > I would guess that the double CD you saw is a bootleg, or maybe even a legit release of early, pre- Led Zep (Hence the title) Jimmy Page sessions. So that would mean those sessions were from the mid- late sixties. There is another connection however. Naked City used to play a song called "Blood is Thin", and Zorn always said it was dedicated to Jimmy Page. - -Jody - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:52:33 -0400 From: "Zachary J. Griffin" Subject: Re: John Zorn/Jimmy Page Connection? IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: > I would guess that the double CD you saw is a bootleg, or maybe even a legit > release of early, pre- Led Zep (Hence the title) Jimmy Page sessions. So > that would mean those sessions were from the mid- late sixties. That is definitely the case the case for disc one. It said so on the cover. But disc two is a Led Zeppelin "tribute" compilation. Which brings me to my first question. Is the group listed as Pain Killer doing "Friends" really the Zorn, Laswell etc. Painkiller? > > There is another connection however. Naked City used to play a song called > "Blood is Thin", and Zorn always said it was dedicated to Jimmy Page. > > -Jody > I didn't know about that. Thanks for that bit of information. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 00:51:49 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: John Zorn/Jimmy Page Connection? > > There is another connection however. Naked City used to play a song called > > "Blood is Thin", and Zorn always said it was dedicated to Jimmy Page. While we're on it, Bone Orchard was dedicated to John Bonham. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 17:23:29 +0200 From: "Douglas Clarke" Subject: Re: John Zorn/Jimmy Page Connection? > > > There is another connection however. Naked City used to play a song > called > > > "Blood is Thin", and Zorn always said it was dedicated to Jimmy Page. > > While we're on it, Bone Orchard was dedicated to John Bonham. And Torture Garden (the song) was dedicated to Mick Harris! - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:51:31 +0300 (WET) From: msvadi@mscc.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: John Zorn/Jimmy Page Connection? > > > > > There is another connection however. Naked City used to play a song > > called > > > > "Blood is Thin", and Zorn always said it was dedicated to Jimmy Page. > > > > While we're on it, Bone Orchard was dedicated to John Bonham. > > And Torture Garden (the song) was dedicated to Mick Harris! and "Gob of Spit" (the last song on Torture Garden) is dedicated to Kenny G :) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:53:26 EDT From: Ivartodd@aol.com Subject: No Subject I am thinking about seeing the zorn-medeski-ribot-wollesen group tonight, is there anyone who has seen this grouping and can tell what they are like? -ivar - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:08:29 -0400 From: "Sean Terwilliger" Subject: RE: No Subject I've a recording of Zorn-Medeski-Ribot-Rochester that is really good. I'd go if I could... - -Sean > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > Ivartodd@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 2:53 PM > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: No Subject > > > I am thinking about seeing the zorn-medeski-ribot-wollesen > group tonight, is > there anyone who has seen this grouping and can tell what > they are like? > > > -ivar > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:31:29 -0400 From: "Zachary J. Griffin" Subject: Re: No Subject I'm going tonight. I saw them when they played Knitting Factory in January. I can't really give a specific desciption of what they do other than saying that before the night is out you will hear almost every type of music played by these guys. It is an incredible experience. Hope you can make it. Zach Griffin Ivartodd@aol.com wrote: > I am thinking about seeing the zorn-medeski-ribot-wollesen group tonight, is > there anyone who has seen this grouping and can tell what they are like? > > -ivar > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 99 10:32:12 -0300 From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: chapin On May 5th DR S WILKIE wrote: >any details on the forthcoming Thomas Chapin cd on knittingfactory Sorry but I have no details on this one; nevertheless I'd like to recommend Chapin's superb participation on Tango & Jazz "Avantango- y en el 2000 tambien" (Epsa). This is a live recording done in the Knit in 1998. The cd belongs to Pablo Aslan, an Argentine double bass player and the line-up is completed by pianist Ethan Iverson. Thomas played alto sax and flute, and he blew my mind off. He was really great. Don't miss Avantango. Just my peso. Hugo. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 99 09:31:05 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Steve Beresford Aside from 'Signals for Tea' and 'Cue Sheets', could anyone recommend other Beresford works (with a brief description), whether song oriented or free improv? Always meant to pick up the Nato release w/ Zorn, Toop etc. Been giving 'Cue Sheets' a workout lately and throughly enjoying it. Thanks, Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:27:05 +0300 (WET) From: Subject: archive? is there an archive for this mailing list? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:29:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeni Dahmus Subject: Esperando un poco (Waiting a Little) While looking through the book Seeing Jazz: Artists and Writers on Jazz, I came across a collage by Juan Alberto Garcia de Cubas in which Zorn is the subject (page 112). Entitled "Esperando un poco (Waiting a Little)," the work dates from 1993 and combines watercolor, pencil, ink, and photocopy. Does anyone know more about this? (Forgive me if the topic has been addressed before. I subscribed to the list a few months ago.) Jeni - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:32:33 -0800 From: Jason Tors Subject: | Z R M W | Tonic was at comfortable capacity, and surprising cool. I was expecting a huge crowd and really tight standing room only. To my relief a seat opened up in front medeski side. The only time I was this close to the action was the first show at the knitting factory. Wow, they have come a long way since those first few shows. They have a cohesive quality to the songs that was not present in the first few jams. I was particularly impressed with JZ, he really strayed away from his bag o tricks and concentrated on being melodic and appropriate, more jazzy, he really sounded wonderful. Ribot was particularly on fire last night, he almost fell over a few times, his playing was right on solid ribot, he too also moved a bit away from his somewhat fragmented style and got wordy, a little more jazzy. Kenny Wollensen, who I decided looks and acts [ on the kit ] like some caracture of the typical high school drummer metal head, mr gumby, during one of his solos his legs were up in his chest pounding on the hit hat petals and bass drum while his hands flurried around the drums. He too was right on, really backing up the other three with a captivating blend of jazz and free rhythms. Medeski was great bass back up and solos on fire some roaring organ segues and some fragmented speed flurry almost borrowing from the other two players. The thing that surprise me every time I see these guys play is how they are learning to play together, take three leaders in their own right, put them together, sometimes the result is a stellar performance. At the beginning of the show JZ signaled to a smoker to stop. He also took off stage for a bit, I think to let Bruce [ owner of DTMG ] into the show. There also was a little hinting to a particularly attractive asian sweety just before the start of the last song. I wonder if Zorn has a little harem of asian beauties? The last song was slower, more soulful, everyone stretched out a bit within the confines of the mood. Ribot was using some strange instrument on his strings, made the strings vibrate at a constant tone, he was playing chords like this, looked like there was a light at the bottom of the box, some thoughts? I think it might be a magnetic something or other. The closest thing that describes the sound is that dense fusion jazz sound of Larry Young in his day, surely an influence. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:32:19 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: chapin On Thu, 6 May 99 10:32:12 -0300 hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote: > > On May 5th DR S WILKIE wrote: > > >any details on the forthcoming Thomas Chapin cd on knittingfactory > > Sorry but I have no details on this one; nevertheless I'd like to > recommend Chapin's superb participation on Tango & Jazz "Avantango- y en > el 2000 tambien" (Epsa). > This is a live recording done in the Knit in 1998. The cd belongs to You mean May 1996, right? Any idea where the label Epsa is from? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 99 12:29:49 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: 5/15 more Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum presents Roy Campbell - trumpet Lou Grassi - drums Burton Greene - keyboards Wilber Morris - bass Burton, Wilber and Lou are friends and veterans of more than 30 years of spontaneous music making. They've teamed together to provide a multicultural, intensely personal statement for all to hear? a rich sound tapestry. The trio first CD, "Throptics", was recently released on CIMP. Tonight, the trio is joined by trumpeter extraodinnaire Roy Campbell, who has played with the Rob Brown Quartet and his own Tazz Concert Ensemble and also leads his own Pyramid Trio and plays with the supergroup Other Dimensions in Music. Saturday, May 15 2 sets, beginning at 9 p.m. $10 for the night Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum 122 W. 27th St., 10th Fl. NYC (212)242-4201 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:46:21 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Steve Beresford In a message dated 5/6/99 10:46:35 AM, brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu writes: << Aside from 'Signals for Tea' and 'Cue Sheets', could anyone recommend other Beresford works (with a brief description), whether song oriented or free improv? >> well, I haven't played any of mine in a while, but I remember my favorite ones being Short In The UK (Incus), which is Beresford, Roger Turner, and the Shaking Ray Levis, and Fish Of The Week (Scatter), which has Alexander Balanescu, Clive Bell, Francine Luce singing, John Butcher and Mark Sanders in addition to Beresford. I don't remember being especially impressed by Deadly Weapons (Nato). actually, now that I think of it, I really like General Strike-Danger In Paradise (Piano). my copy seems to have disappeared, but it's Beresford, Toop, and a few other people. it's a minor classic, I'd say, my favorite record on David Cunningham's Piano label. Jon NP: Fela Kuti and Africa 70-Water No Get Enemy from Expensive Shit/He Miss Road (Barclay France). Barclay just released ten of these Fela twofers, and you can get them for 16 bucks apiece at www.dustygroove.com. such great stuff! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:54:31 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Steve Beresford On Thu, 6 May 1999 12:46:21 EDT JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > > actually, now that I think of it, I really like General Strike-Danger In > Paradise (Piano). my copy seems to have disappeared, but it's Beresford, > Toop, and a few other people. it's a minor classic, I'd say, my favorite > record on David Cunningham's Piano label. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Even the Michael Nyman with Evan Parker and Peter Brotzmann? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:12:16 -0500 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: | Z R M W | At 11:32 AM -0800 5/6/99, Jason Tors wrote: >Ribot was >using some strange instrument on his strings, made the strings vibrate at a >constant tone, he was playing chords like this, looked like there was a >light at the bottom of the box, some thoughts? I think it might be a >magnetic something or other. Sounds like an EBow. It is a magnetic thing-a-ma-gig that excites the strings and acts like a bow of a violin or another stringed instrument. I saw Bela Fleck use on on his banjo once because he mentioned that banjos don't really have that much sustain. Dan Hewins - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 99 14:25:57 -0300 From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: chapin/Avantango Patrice wrote: >you mean May 1996, right? Date of release is 1998; I'm quite sure. Also I will check out the date of recording, but I guess it's the same year. >any idea where the label is from? From Argentina, as far as I know, though your question call in doubt my supposition. I will check out all details and let you know tomorrow. Hugo. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:27:25 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Steve Beresford In a message dated 5/6/99 12:56:30 PM, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: << my favorite > record on David Cunningham's Piano label. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Even the Michael Nyman with Evan Parker and Peter Brotzmann? >> wow, that sounds pretty promising. I did not know about this record; I guess it hasn't been reissued on CD yet. Jon - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #659 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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