From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #685 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, June 25 1999 Volume 02 : Number 685 In this issue: - Re: Future Jazz by Howard Mandel moonraker Re: Question-more news for lulu,etc. new Dave Douglas Re: New Cibo Matto LP auction - some Zorn content, mostly free jazz/avant garde Re: Freedom is Wings AKA Hallalujah,Anyway the Ruins in Philadelphia Re: the Ruins in Philadelphia Re: hathut: the inquisition (long) Re: hathut: the inquisition Texier/off topic Re: VAO Re: the Ruins in Philadelphia CDs FT Re: new Dave Douglas KVD/MacArthur Re: VAO Re: KVD/MacArthur Re: VAO ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:19:50 -0400 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: Future Jazz by Howard Mandel Paul Audino wrote: > > Has anyone read the book "Future Jazz" by Howard Mandel? It apparently > contains interviews with E# and Zorn, among others. > It's about time somebody wrote a book like this. The foreword, which describe's Mandel's early music listening history in Chicago is just wonderful writing about appreciating music. Mandel alternates segments of his 1984 interview with Wynton Marsalis with chapters devoted to some of Marsalis's contemporaries, in which they talk about how they came up the way they did, all of which neatly puts the lie to Marsalis's assertions that 1) jazz is a narrowly defined music with strict boundaries, and 2) people like Zorn, Murray, Blood Ulmer, etc. don't know enough about the history of jazz. - --Mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:57:43 EDT From: APoesia794@aol.com Subject: moonraker anyone catch mike patton & company in sf opening up for melt banana the other night? i believe they went under the name "moonraker". patton, a dj and the guitarist from melt banana. i'd love to hear a review. also if anyone happened to tape it please contact me privately. thanks. jt - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:24:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Charles Gillett Subject: Re: Question-more news for lulu,etc. On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:37:38, johnzorn wrote: > anyway, does anyone know where I can find a copy of more news for > lulu, or deadly weapons?(mail order or in the minneapolis area) > been looking for awhile now...any info appreciated More News For Lulu is on the shelves at Roadrunner Records (43rd and Nicollet), I believe. I was just there earlier today, but I didn't check that. Deadly Weapons I've never seen anywhere. I'm currently annoyed because the multimedia disc of the new Beefheart box on Revenant doesn't work on my computer...the stupid machine doesn't even recognize it as a CD. - -- Charles - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:47:34 +0200 From: "J.T. de Boer" Subject: new Dave Douglas Hi all, some time ago someone on the list mentioned a new Dave Douglas album on Winter & Winter, and asked if the European members already got hold of it. Well, I'm happy to say I bought it a few days ago and it's absolutely beautiful! It's sold as a Douglas album, but in fact it's the Tiny Bell Trio. These guys get better every time I hear them! The sound is also brilliant: it reminds me of the latest Pachora release... Get this beauty when you can! Jeroen Jeroen de Boer student Arts & Arts Management University of Groningen, The Netherlands J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl program director Open Electronic Festival Munnekeholm 10 9711 JA Groningen, The Netherlands phone: 031 (0) 50-3637513 fax: 031 (0) 50-3632209 usva-th1@bureau.rug.nl - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:21:10 -0400 From: "Heather and Jeff" Subject: Re: New Cibo Matto >By the way, what about the new Cibo Matto? Are Josh Roseman and Dave >Douglas playing? Opinions? Yes, they are, along with Dougie Bowne and Sean Lennon who's now a member of the band. I don't like it as much as the debut record. It seems like they've lost some of their innocence and are more "profesional" now. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:03:07 +0800 From: Sibree/Wilkes Subject: LP auction - some Zorn content, mostly free jazz/avant garde A reminder that my latest auction list closes 25 June, midnight California time. Email for details. Regards, Billy - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:59:26 -0400 (EDT) From: William York Subject: Re: Freedom is Wings AKA Hallalujah,Anyway > >A really beautiful set [...cut...]. Even though I haven't > >fully digested both discs, I'd say its definitely a must own. > Gotta second this. I was not familiar with Cora (oops!), but it's a > great introduction, and some of the tribute pieces are just gorgeous, > especially Dalaba's trumpet piece and a solo piano piece by Wayne > Horvitz titled Love, Love, Love. > > >Performers include: Fred Frith, Kazutoki Umezu, Samm Bennett, Haruna > > >Ito, Chris Cochrane, Zeena Parkins, John Zorn, Marc Ribot, Leo Smith, > > >Eugene Chadbourne, Masaoka Miya, Bob Ostertag, Kramer, Chris Cutler, > > >Richard Teitelbaum. Also Gerry Hemingway, The Ex, Roof, Iva Bittova, Barre Phillips, etc. Excellent liner notes, although I can't figure out who wrote them except when they're initialed. With the way the tracks segue from one to the next, it sounds like it could be the work of one group in the way that it flows. A lot of the rock/jazz/RIO-prog type hybrids are really hard to place in terms of when or where they were recorded (a good thing), and a lot of the songs are unavailable or at least hard to find. Someone had mentioned Joseph Spence on this list a few weeks ago, I think. There's a great solo cello version of a traditional ("There'll be a Happy Meeting", I think) which the notes say was inspired by Spence. I agree that this is very much worth getting. WY - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:52:33 GMT From: Igor Sombillo Subject: the Ruins in Philadelphia For fans of the Boredoms, the Ruins from Japan are playing a show in Philadelphia with the underground grindcore band Discordance Axis from NJ. The show will start at 7PM and will only cost $5, the place is a haven for many underground punk/hardcore/grindcore bands. The Ruins released a CD in 1995 on Zorn's Tzadik label. They have been described as a mixture of jazz, noise, metal, funk, prog rock, etc. They have also worked with Derek Bailey and released a CD as Derek & the Ruins on Tzadik. Anyway, they are playing on July 15th at Stalag13 in Philly. For info or directions check their website and get in touch with one of the person in charge. http://members.xoom.com/stalag13/ IF you want to hear samples check CDnow. Later, ITS You like grind? hardcore? death metal? then go Visit the Wall of Death Picture page @: http://members.xoom.com/hamog/ Here's the Human Remains Page: http://members.xoom.com/hamog/hremains/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:45:29 -0700 From: "Christian Heslop" Subject: Re: the Ruins in Philadelphia Are the Ruins the same as the Pencilneck Ruins? - ---------- > From: Igor Sombillo > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: the Ruins in Philadelphia > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 12:52 PM > > For fans of the Boredoms, the Ruins from Japan are playing a show in > Philadelphia with the underground grindcore band Discordance Axis from NJ. > The show will start at 7PM and will only cost $5, the place is a haven for > many underground punk/hardcore/grindcore bands. > > The Ruins released a CD in 1995 on Zorn's Tzadik label. They have been > described as a mixture of jazz, noise, metal, funk, prog rock, etc. They > have also worked with Derek Bailey and released a CD as Derek & the Ruins on > Tzadik. > > Anyway, they are playing on July 15th at Stalag13 in Philly. For info or > directions check their website and get in touch with one of the person in > charge. http://members.xoom.com/stalag13/ > > IF you want to hear samples check CDnow. > > Later, > ITS > > You like grind? hardcore? death metal? then go Visit the Wall of Death > Picture page @: http://members.xoom.com/hamog/ > > Here's the Human Remains Page: > http://members.xoom.com/hamog/hremains/ > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:02:14 -0500 From: Dave Lechtenberg Subject: Re: hathut: the inquisition (long) > 6038 VIENNA ART ORCHESTRA / CONCERTO PICCOLO > 6073 VIENNA ART ORCHESTRA / FROM NO TIME TO RAG TIME These are both great. If you like avant big band stuff similar to Willem Breuker Kollektief, you'll love VAO. In fact, I like VAO better than WBK. I find VAO stuff to be more sharply executed than WBK (particularly No Time To Rag Time) and avoids some the sappiness of WBK. - -Dave - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:19:24 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: hathut: the inquisition At 01:36 PM 6/22/99 GMT, Scott Handley wrote: > >(understandably----Hat only deals with Cadence, apparently), but the person >answering at Cadence told me Hat single-CDs would be $14. Is that a good >deal? I mean, the on-line joints usually run old Hats for like $12. Not to >be a cheapskate, but...+ Cadence's currently listed prices on Hat CDs is $17 (although as recently as March it was $14). They've got almost everything currently in print though. I'll certainly be filling in some gaps if they announce a sale in their next issue. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Computers are useless; they can only give you answers - -- Pablo Picasso - - ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jun 1999 07:15:54 -0500 From: Subject: Texier/off topic Does anybody know where i can get information about Henri Texier (in english or spanish). And the addresses of other list about jazz? Please email me privately Thanks in advance Gustavo Gustavo.broggi@monsanto.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: VAO Here I have to weigh in with an opposite comment. I haven't heard the two CDs referred to, but the VAO, is vastly overrated IMHO. The band played a showcase show at the Toronto Jazz Festival last year and came across as a pretty mainstream big band, nothing more or less. The group's 20th anniversary set on Verve also left me cold. Perhaps the VAO has degenerated since the sets below were cut, but the praise garnered seemed to be no more than Euro-envy. Just because the group hails from Austria and has soloists with "foreign" names seems to blind folks that they're hearing a European run-through of The Boss Brass or the Vanguard Ork. Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Dave Lechtenberg wrote: > > 6038 VIENNA ART ORCHESTRA / CONCERTO PICCOLO > > 6073 VIENNA ART ORCHESTRA / FROM NO TIME TO RAG TIME > > These are both great. If you like avant big band stuff similar > to Willem Breuker Kollektief, you'll love VAO. In fact, I like > VAO better than WBK. I find VAO stuff to be more sharply > executed than WBK (particularly No Time To Rag Time) and > avoids some the sappiness of WBK. > > -Dave > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:13:40 -0700 From: cwestpha@nortelnetworks.com (Chris Westphal) Subject: Re: the Ruins in Philadelphia Does anyone have any other Ruins dates? I live near San Francisco and would love to see them. If you're in the area, this Fri/Sat the Boredoms are playing at Slim's. See you there. - Chris At 07:52 PM 6/23/99 GMT, Igor Sombillo wrote: >For fans of the Boredoms, the Ruins from Japan are playing a show in >Philadelphia with the underground grindcore band Discordance Axis from NJ. >The show will start at 7PM and will only cost $5, the place is a haven for >many underground punk/hardcore/grindcore bands. > >The Ruins released a CD in 1995 on Zorn's Tzadik label. They have been >described as a mixture of jazz, noise, metal, funk, prog rock, etc. They >have also worked with Derek Bailey and released a CD as Derek & the Ruins on >Tzadik. > >Anyway, they are playing on July 15th at Stalag13 in Philly. For info or >directions check their website and get in touch with one of the person in >charge. http://members.xoom.com/stalag13/ > >IF you want to hear samples check CDnow. > >Later, >ITS > >You like grind? hardcore? death metal? then go Visit the Wall of Death >Picture page @: http://members.xoom.com/hamog/ > >Here's the Human Remains Page: >http://members.xoom.com/hamog/hremains/ > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:35:30 -0700 From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: CDs FT Hello folks, Just a quick list of stuff I'd like to trade (just send your trade lists to my email address at sunny70@sirius.com): - - The Ghost Orchid: An Introduction to Electronic Voice Phenomena (played three times; near-mint condition; probably the most literally otherworldly disc you'll ever hear. Comes with a thick 23-page booklet, and would look great on the shelf next to your Conet Project CDs) - - Matthew Shipp Duo with William Parker: DNA (practically brand-new; a little too abstract for improv newbies like me, though I'm told it's the most accessible of his duo work) - - Veruca Salt: American Thighs (ok, maybe no takers for that one; I'll understand) - - Paul Dolden: L'Ivresse de la Vitesse (the older pressing of the double cd, Empreintes Digitales, 1994) NOTE: I stupidly, stupidly, accidentally placed one of the Dolden CDs data-side-down on a surface with the remains of a price sticker on it. A very small bit of the glue stuck onto the CD, rendering less than a minute of the last track unplayable. Since no used CD store will ever buy it from me anyway, I will throw the Dolden CDs in for *free* to anyone who takes the rest above off my hands -- hopefully you'll have better luck removing the glue (tiny marks, but pesky as heck). The little spindles (is that what they're called?) of the CD case are broken, too... Again, priority will be given to anyone who can take *all of them* out of my hands (and with a nice list of stuff for trade, of course). Traders based in the US only, please. And you can check out some of my eBay feedback (doesn't pertain to trading, I know, but...): http://cgi-new.ebay.com/aboutme/thewilyfilipino/ Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:15:32 -0400 From: Alan Lankin Subject: Re: new Dave Douglas "J.T. de Boer" wrote: > > Hi all, > > some time ago someone on the list mentioned a new Dave Douglas album > on Winter & Winter, and asked if the European members already got > hold of it. Well, I'm happy to say I bought it a few days ago and > it's absolutely beautiful! I've heard that it's supposed to be out in the U.S. in Augusts. I'm looking forward to hearing it. Alan http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/upcomingcds.html - -- Alan Lankin lankina@att.net http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:29:42 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: KVD/MacArthur In case anyone here's not heard (those z-listers who don't lurk at rmb), Ken Vandermark has been given a MacArthur grant, the so-called "genius" grant that's previously been accorded to, in the jazz communtiy, Cecil, Braxton, Max Roach, Ornette and Lacy. The award is for something over $250,00 and comes with no strings attached. Great news, imo; one very deserving fella. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:39:56 -0500 From: Dave Lechtenberg Subject: Re: VAO Ken Waxman wrote: > > Here I have to weigh in with an opposite comment. I haven't heard the two > CDs referred to, but the VAO, is vastly overrated IMHO. The band played a > showcase show at the Toronto Jazz Festival last year and came across as a > pretty mainstream big band, nothing more or less. The group's 20th > anniversary set on Verve also left me cold. Perhaps the VAO has > degenerated since the sets below were cut, but the praise garnered seemed > to be no more than Euro-envy. > The only VAO albums that I have are the two Hat Arts I mentioned plus Blues For Brahms. All recorded over 10 years ago. I haven't heard anything more recent from them so I can't say if they've degenerated, but I wouldn't call any of the three that I have mainstream. For instance, From No Time To Rag Time has variations on pieces by Anthony Braxton, Ornette Coleman and Roswell Rudd. Not your usual mainstream fare. Nor is Lauren Newton a traditional jazz vocalist. VAO stuff is more composed than say London Jazz Composer's Orchestra so if you like your big band to be more freely improvised, then I can see where you're coming from. > Just because the group hails from Austria and has soloists with "foreign" > names seems to blind folks that they're hearing a European run-through of > The Boss Brass or the Vanguard Ork. > > Ken Waxman > cj649@torfree.net > > On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Dave Lechtenberg wrote: > > > > 6038 VIENNA ART ORCHESTRA / CONCERTO PICCOLO > > > 6073 VIENNA ART ORCHESTRA / FROM NO TIME TO RAG TIME > > > > These are both great. If you like avant big band stuff similar > > to Willem Breuker Kollektief, you'll love VAO. In fact, I like > > VAO better than WBK. I find VAO stuff to be more sharply > > executed than WBK (particularly No Time To Rag Time) and > > avoids some the sappiness of WBK. > > > > -Dave > > > > - > > > > > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:41:17 -0400 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: KVD/MacArthur Brian Olewnick wrote: > > In case anyone here's not heard (those z-listers who don't lurk at rmb), > Ken Vandermark has been given a MacArthur grant, the so-called "genius" > grant that's previously been accorded to, in the jazz communtiy, Cecil, > Braxton, Max Roach, Ornette and Lacy. The award is for something over > $250,00 and comes with no strings attached. Great news, imo; one very > deserving fella. > > Brian Olewnick > > - He's doing OK--and his wife's a doctor, to boot. Oh yeah, I think you meant over $250,000; otherwise it has only prestige value. :-) - --Mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:20:09 -0400 From: Alan E Kayser Subject: Re: VAO Ken Waxman wrote: > Here I have to weigh in with an opposite comment. I haven't heard the two > CDs referred to, but the VAO, is vastly overrated IMHO. The band played a > showcase show at the Toronto Jazz Festival last year and came across as a > pretty mainstream big band, nothing more or less. The group's 20th > anniversary set on Verve also left me cold. Perhaps the VAO has > degenerated since the sets below were cut, but the praise garnered seemed > to be no more than Euro-envy. Well, as a matter of fact, the band has degenerated over the last ten years or so. I have all of their recordings except the discarded 20th Anniversary (bad) and the recent Gershwin (worse). Their HatArt's are all terrific, as is their output on Moers and on Amadeo. The Verve catalog is the weak material, and marks the slide downward. The band changed personel drastically during their Verve stay, and did become more mainstream. I suppose it would have been difficult to keep so many high quality players together over a twenty year period, but Mr. Reugg is to be commended for the many fine albums that the band produced. IMHO, much superior to the Breuker output. On a par with another excellent Euro-bigband, the Pierre Dorge New Jungle Orchestra. They are still active, too, but have, like the VAO, slid from their best work. Alan E Kayser > > - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #685 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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