From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #716 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, July 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 716 In this issue: - Re: $4.95 CD update threadgill on CD (oops) SONIC YOUTH UPDATE oops Re: $4.95 CD update Dave Douglas article from Billboard Re: $4.95 CD update Re: Fwd: $4.95 CD update RE: Fwd: $4.95 CD update Zorn interview in JAZZIZ of August 1999 John Cage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:10:48 EDT From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: $4.95 CD update In a message dated 7/15/99 1:53:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, degan1@telisphere.com writes: > It seems these guys plenty of excuses for their sloppy service. Anyone else > have any stories about these guys? Has ANYONE gotten everything they > ordered? I haven't yet seen a charge to my credit card - has anyone been > charged for more than was shipped? Heres my story: I ordered 8 CDs along time ago- like late May/ early June. Nothing too obscure, I think 5 of them were Tzadik titles. Anyways I received one email a few weeks after that apologizing for the delay, then about two weeks ago I received an email saying that my order could not be fulfilled! They were not able to get any of my CDs. And I just got my credit card statement about a week ago, and they charged my card!!! To top it all off, I got a phone call, apparently from a service rep asking me form questions such as "did you receiver your order, were you happy with the service, would you shop with shopnow.com again?" I dont think so. - -Jody - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:12:47 -0700 From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol) Subject: threadgill on CD (oops) uh, i may have screwed up on saying the About Times were on CD. sorry, all. martin - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 99 18:45:27 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: SONIC YOUTH UPDATE Subject: SONIC YOUTH UPDATE From: at INTERNET-MAIL Date: 7/15/99 4:23 PM Hello one and all. Sonic Youth mgmt here. We cannot thank you enough for the overwhelming support you've shown us through emails, phone calls and personal notes. Please forgive me for not being able to respond to each directly. Everyone's email address will be kept and you will be given updates as any news becomes available. We've received emails from all over the world and there's no doubt that people are listening. Unfortunately, there's no real lead on the stolen gear. With the help of fans, the media and the mighty web, word is continuing to spread all over this great land of ours. We just ask that you keep your eyes peeled at your local music stores, pawn shops, newsgroups, ebay, amazon.com, etc. Please know that the band is in excellent spirits and very much look forward to returning to the studio. This is not the end of Sonic Youth nor is it a 'tragedy'. Basically, it's a pain in the neck for all of us but one that will bring new challenges to the band as well as some new sounds for their fans. The true tragedy is the untimely passing of Mark Sandman from Morphine who passed away on July 3. He will be missed by all of us. One last thing. I would be remiss if i didn't make note of the following -- 1 - I did not steal Sonic Youth's gear. 2 - Anyone posting they're selling the Sonic Youth gear as a joke is about as funny as a head injury. 3 - Don't miss Tenacious D on tour. Thanks again to all of you!!!!! All the best! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 99 19:48:37 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: oops Sorry if I spammed ya with the Sonic Youth msg. Didn't know attachments carried with them the risk of gibberish. MRizzi set me straight. Let it be a lesson to all not to send attachments to the list, unless I'm the only one who didn't know. kg np: Ori Kaplan Trio Plus (w/ Tom Abbs & Geoff Mann): realms (CIMP) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: $4.95 CD update On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: > Heres my story: > I ordered 8 CDs along time ago- like late May/ early June. Nothing too > obscure, I think 5 of them were Tzadik titles. Anyways I received one email > a few weeks after that apologizing for the delay, then about two weeks ago I > received an email saying that my order could not be fulfilled! They were not > able to get any of my CDs. And I just got my credit card statement about a > week ago, and they charged my card!!! To top it all off, I got a phone call, > apparently from a service rep asking me form questions such as "did you > receiver your order, were you happy with the service, would you shop with > shopnow.com again?" I dont think so. Jody, it's illegal for any mail order operation to charge a credit card before an order is fulfilled. even if they were to have sent you a partial fulfillment, they can only charge you for what they send out. this is the second or third time i've seen someone mention this (on various mailing lists). i'm not a lawyer, but perhaps it's time for folks to speak with an attorney about this? hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:38:40 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Dave Douglas article from Billboard For those of you out there who don't read Billboard magazine (and I'm sure on this list you must be legion), here is a feature piece on Dave Douglas that appears in the new issue, out tomorrow. BTW this is where I'll mention that I've just been hired last Friday as the new PR guy for RCA, in charge of jazz and world music. I start on August 2, so please don't construe this message as a corporate perversion of the hallowed Zornlist - I won't be violating that particular trust, I assure you! But since I'm not there yet and since this will be of interest to many, I forward this for your consideration. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Paraphrase, "Critical Mass," 'Please Advise' (Screwgun, coming soon) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D BILLBOARD, July 24 BUSY DAVE DOUGLAS IS MILES AHEAD Winter & Winter Set Due From Trumpeter; RCA Deal Inked By Bradley Bambarger NEW YORK--No less an authority than avant-jazz avatar John Zorn described the music of trumpeter/composer Dave Douglas as =93a living, breathing organism--an exciting world of possibilities where anything can happen.=94 He also said Douglas=92 work is =93touched by genius.=94 Always a pioneer, Zorn offered those valuations on behalf of Douglas=92 =9296 Soul Note set =93Five.=94 Since then, jazz critics and music lovers have been catching up with similar superlatives for Douglas=92 way of paying smart homage to his heroes (jazz, classical, and pop), while forging his own distinctive soundprint across several ongoing ensembles. The ever-active Douglas had a trio of discs vie for the tops of critics=92 polls last year: =93Moving Portrait=94 (DIW), a Joni Mitchell tribute wit= h piano quartet; =93Magic Triangle=94 (Arabesque), an all-originals feature for h= is quartet with tenor sax; and =93Charms Of The Night Sky=94 (Winter & Winte= r), the luminous debut by his chamber-jazz outfit of the same name. So far this year, Douglas has produced =93Convergence=94 (Soul Note), the third effort by his string-laced quintet. And on Aug. 10, Winter & Winter issues =93Songs For Wandering Souls,=94 the fourth and finest set yet from his T= iny Bell Trio, with guitarist Brad Shepik and drummer Jim Black. Last but not least, Douglas just inked a four-record deal with RCA Victor that will yield a sextet album early next year. The 36-year-old, Brooklyn, N.Y.-residing Douglas flourishes by flouting categories, as he pursues many muses via his various groups. During the recent Bell Atlantic New York Jazz Festival, Douglas packed the Knitting Factory for a long, rich evening of three shows with three disparate bands. Charms Of The Night Sky mines a vein of Mitteleuropa, coming up with gems that flicker of Grappelli/Reinhardt, Viennese classicism, and Prague coffeehouses. And =93Convergence=94 sets his most intricate compositions alongside Messaien and a Burmese folk song. Then there is the Balkan-accented improv of the Tiny Bell Trio, which embraces not only czardas but Schumann transcriptions and the odd Rahsaan Roland Kirk tune. =93Juxtaposition is something I consider whether I=92m composing, putting= a band together, or programming a live set,=94 Douglas says. =93I want to reflec= t all my inspirations, but not in pastiche--it should have variety and unity. And each record should be unique. I never approach a session like this is my =91jazz=92 thing and this is my =91classical.=92 Everything should be sui generis.=94 The Douglas aesthetic obviously thrives on freedom. He produces his own records, with top engineer Joe Ferla in the case of =93Songs For Wanderin= g Souls.=94 And Douglas says he chose RCA from among several major-label suitors =93because it seems the most open to breaking down creative barriers.=94 Winter & Winter principal Stefan Winter admires Douglas most for his =93openness and curiosity,=94 he says. =93Some musicians have trouble pur= suing more than one direction at a time, but Dave constantly puts himself into different contexts. That=92s why he is always growing.=94 Most labels =93don=92t believe in an artist putting out more than one alb= um a year,=94 Winter adds, =93but that is silly in the case of someone like Da= ve. If the projects are distinctive enough, all the activity can be good for building an audience.=94 Seconding that opinion is Bruce Gallanter, owner of New York=92s Downtown Music. =93All Dave=92s records sell for me,=94 he says. =93A lot of peopl= e search out his records after first hearing him play with Zorn. Then =91Charms Of The Night Sky=92 cuts across every kind of buyer.=94 Adding luster to =93Songs For Wandering Souls=94 is the imprimatur of Win= ter & Winter, since =93record buyers love the label,=94 Gallanter says. =93They= have great packaging and sound, with interesting artists. I have customers who buy everything the label puts out.=94 Winter=92s former label--the PolyGram-distributed JMT--was a favorite among adventurous jazzers, and his Munich-based Winter & Winter has earned even more admiration in a short span. In 2 1/2 years, the label reports sales of 500,000 copies of 38 titles. Its wares are distributed by Allegro in the U.S., Fusion 3 in Canada, Harmonia Mundi in France and the U.K., Bomba in Japan, and Edel in Germany, Austria, and Italy. Another fan of Douglas and the Winter & Winter ethos is Jay Trachtenberg of eclectic public-radio outlet KUT Austin, Texas. The station aired past discs and has been previewing =93Songs For Wandering Souls,=94 which Trachtenbe= rg also plans to play on his Sunday show on commercial triple-A KGSR. =93Not everyone is going to like Dave Douglas,=94 he says, =93but then not everyone likes Diana Krall.=94 Next year promises a boon for Douglas fans, as he will have at least three discs out as a leader. The first RCA album will be a sextet tribute to the late Mary Lou Williams, in the manner of Douglas=92 compositional homages to Wayne Shorter (=93Stargazer,=94 Arabesque) and Booker Little (=93In Our Lifetime,=94 New World). Indicative of Douglas=92 modernity is that he tips his hat to his forebears as he strikes out on his own. In that sense, all his varied work is a tribute to the resolute individuality of another man with the horn. =93I always think of Miles Davis=92 fearless drive to move forward,=94 he says. =93It=92s like being a long-distance runner. Those who keep looking back are the ones who lose.=94 Douglas has one more indie effort on the way: =93Leap Of Faith,=94 a teno= r quartet disc due in February on Arabesque. Set for next fall, Douglas=92 second album for RCA will be a feature for Charms Of The Night Sky--violinist Mark Feldman, bassist Greg Cohen, and accordion ace Guy Klucevsek. Beyond his work as a leader, Douglas=92 expressive trumpet has long been = a key to the Hebraic harmolodics of Zorn=92s Masada combo--which has 10 studio discs and two potent new live sets on Zorn=92s Tzadik label. Douglas is also in pianist Myra Melford=92s Same River, Twice band, which has its second album, =93Above Blue,=94 out on Arabesque. In coming months, Douglas travels the Old and New Worlds with the Night Sky group and Tiny Bell Trio, as well as with Masada. To unveil the RCA debut, his sextet plays a February stand at New York=92s Village Vanguard. Douglas is managed and booked in the U.S. by New York=92s Sooya Arts. His European agent is Saudades Tours in Rotholz, Austria. His compositions are published by Noenmity Music (BMI). - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:26:29 -0700 From: "toddlike" Subject: Re: $4.95 CD update > >Jody, it's illegal for any mail order operation >to charge a credit card before an order is fulfilled. >even if they were to have sent you a partial >fulfillment, they can only charge you for what >they send out. > Strictly speaking, this isn't true. You can charge before an order is fufilled, and you then have 30 days to fufill it; charging before shipment is not a popular way of getting business done, it is perfectly legal. Amazon even does it; order something of theirs that takes a few days to fufill, and you'll see. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:47:18 -0400 From: Eric Saidel Subject: Re: Fwd: $4.95 CD update > > Similar situation here....I placed 4 orders, and got 1 item from the third > order yesterday. When I spoke to them on the phone, they did tell me as well > that they do intend to eventually fill EVERYTHING. > > Dale. Coincidentally, I got an email today (in response to a phone query I made yesterday or the day before). Full text below. They've been very friendly to me on the phone, despite the stupidity of having the cd orders handled by a office that's not accessible to the customer service office. I have yet to get any discs (I ordered a lot - in one order, ignoring the limit, which I believed to be per disc, not per order), but my card has yet to be charged as well. - - eric Here's the email: The first distributor we contracted with to fulfill our CD titles was unable to handle the incredible demand, so we have contracted with a second distributor. Unfortunately, not all titles are available with the second distributor. We are currently researching what CD titles were and were not shipped. We hope to have an email out to you by the end of next week, informing you of the status of your order. However, I do want to caution you that you may not receive all of your titles. Any titles unavailable will be cancelled from the order and you will not be charged for them. We are still offering the top 25 CD titles for our low price of $4.95 per CD. While we are disappointed that your experience purchasing from us has not been ideal, we hope you understand and we hope you will continue to shop online with us. Please feel free to email or call with any further questions or concerns. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:36:02 -0400 From: Charles Jacobus Subject: RE: Fwd: $4.95 CD update I made the same call and I received the same letter. I did receive one of the five discs I ordered (Zappa's Lumpy Gravy) last night. Still no charge to my account either. - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Saidel [mailto:saidel@usl.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 11:47 PM To: TagYrIt@aol.com; zorn list Subject: Re: Fwd: $4.95 CD update > > Similar situation here....I placed 4 orders, and got 1 item from the third > order yesterday. When I spoke to them on the phone, they did tell me as well > that they do intend to eventually fill EVERYTHING. > > Dale. Coincidentally, I got an email today (in response to a phone query I made yesterday or the day before). Full text below. They've been very friendly to me on the phone, despite the stupidity of having the cd orders handled by a office that's not accessible to the customer service office. I have yet to get any discs (I ordered a lot - in one order, ignoring the limit, which I believed to be per disc, not per order), but my card has yet to be charged as well. - - eric Here's the email: The first distributor we contracted with to fulfill our CD titles was unable to handle the incredible demand, so we have contracted with a second distributor. Unfortunately, not all titles are available with the second distributor. We are currently researching what CD titles were and were not shipped. We hope to have an email out to you by the end of next week, informing you of the status of your order. However, I do want to caution you that you may not receive all of your titles. Any titles unavailable will be cancelled from the order and you will not be charged for them. We are still offering the top 25 CD titles for our low price of $4.95 per CD. While we are disappointed that your experience purchasing from us has not been ideal, we hope you understand and we hope you will continue to shop online with us. Please feel free to email or call with any further questions or concerns. - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:31:38 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Zorn interview in JAZZIZ of August 1999 Just to let you know that there is an interview of Zorn in the new JAZZIZ: * Jazziz, August 1999: "Scene by Scene," an interview by Larry Blumenfeld (pp. 42-48, 80) Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:49:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Risser Subject: John Cage >> Not that Cage would do improv... At least not in the way Ra did. > i know only a little bit about Sun Ra. could you please tell me how their improv styles differed specfically? Well, I'm no expert, but the top statement is true. Cage didn't do any improv, per se. He was a firm believer for a long time in chance operations, which is not the same as free improv. On the contrary, chance operations are (in theory) as strict on the performer as any normally written score, perhaps more so, as they have to perform things that are not normally juxtaposed in a performance, or even possible sometimes. So, in this case, Cage was probably performing a piece where he reads some pregenerated phonemes, interspersed with pregenerated silence. He has a fantastic voice, sort of a really, really pleasant Vincent Price, so I love to hear him read. Whereas Sun Ra is from the take-no-prisoners sense of improv, banging around on the Moog, and generally having a grand old time. So. That's my take on it. Joe Zitt is the Cage expert though. He may be able to clear up anything i muddled. Peter _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #716 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com