From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #733 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, August 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 733 In this issue: - Re: Speaking of Zorn Show announcement - Midwest Violin, Violin-Cello Re: violin (was Tzadik) recommendations Re: Speaking of Zorn Dying Ground/ Spillane/Godard Re: violin (was Tzadik) recommendations Re: Violin, Violin-Cello Re: violin Re: Adelhard Roidinger/Dred Scott Re: New Tim Berne/Paraphrase CD Re[2]: Adelhard Roidinger/Dred Scott no subject (file transmission) Re: violin Re: Violin, Violin-Cello ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Marotta Subject: Re: Speaking of Zorn I think "The Big Gundown," his album of Ennio Morricone film music, is very accessible and a lot of fun. Also, continuing to get recordings by your favorite side players on this album will keep you busy for some time. If you can find it, it is worth hunting down some Eugene Chadbourne albums with Zorn on it, specifically "There'll Be No Tears Tonight" and "LSD C&W: The History of the Chadbournes in America." Oh yeah, Zorn's album "Yankees" with Derek Bailey and George Lewis is a good intro into some amazing old school free improv Larry - --- Jason Walton wrote: > > can anyone recommend Zorn works to me besides > "Spillane" and "Godard?" What about his filmworks, > or > book of heads. I wasnt into the bribe, or masada, > but > love naked city. I found masada and the bribe too > "by > the numbers" for me. Any suggestions? I do like > his > new string quartet CD. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Marotta Subject: Show announcement - Midwest For those of you who live in the middle of the country, I wanted to tip you off to a couple of fun shows taking place in Columbus, Ohio, by the avant-jazz octet Honk, Wail, and Moan. Friday, August 13: we're doing a film score for the silent film "The Black Pirate," 8 p.m., Bicentennial Park, downtown. Saturday, August 28: A tribiute to Charles Mingus, featuring an all-Mingus program; 10 p.m.-2 a.m. Dick's Den. Larry _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:35:10 EDT From: Reaboi@aol.com Subject: Violin, Violin-Cello Violin: A great record with Feldman on it is Crispell's "Santuero" (sp?) on Leo, with Gerry Hemmingway and Hank Roberts. That's an all-time improvized favorite. Also, dig Ray Nance's playing with Duke. He only plays violin on a handful of recordings, but it's killer. I challenge anyone to claim the original Black Brown & Beige was not light years ahead of 1942. It sounds ahead of the Lincoln Center guys today, that's for sure. Check out the remastered Such Sweet Thunder and Anatomy of A Murder for some nice Nance solos too. Cello: Picked up the new Ernst Reijseger last week, and it's beautiful as hell. There's a men's choir on it, as well as a percussionist. What a sunny day record, though it gets plenty serious too. Beautiful writing. The production? Stefan Winter does it again. Cheers, Dave NP: One of my favorite records, even years later, "Liberation Music Orchestra." - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:36:34 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: violin (was Tzadik) recommendations the original query in this thread was: In a message dated 8/11/99 1:39:48 AM, nothing_grey@yahoo.com writes: << I just heard Zeena parkins "Mouth=Maul=Betrayer", this is another excellent CD by an excellent violinist. >> although I don't have this record, I'm fairly sure that Zeena Parkins doesn't play the violin, she plays the harp. so maybe he's really looking for more electric harp suggestions? my violin suggestion is Warren Ellis of the Dirty Three, which is an Australian violin/bass/drums trio. he ranges from beautiful, quiet playing, to crazy overdriven passages where you think he's going to saw the instrument in half. all four of their records are very good, but each one gets a bit mellower. the other two guys are vey good too. if you want the wildest one, get the first one, Sad And Dangerous (Poon Village). if you want the mellowest one, get Ocean Songs (Touch and Go). and if you get to see them live, don't pass it up. Ellis tells hysterical, drunken stories between songs, and has a whole Jim Morrison/rock star thing going on. plus, he's a better expectorater than anyone in Major League Baseball, and he repeatedly proves it, which is way more entertaining than you'd think. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:55:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Walton Subject: Re: Speaking of Zorn Speaking of Derek Bailey, whats up with these Ruins Cds with bailey on it? I find that weird. I thought Ruins had 3 Cds out, but then I find out about "Burning Stone" and this one with bailey, does anyone have a Ruins discography? Jason - --- Larry Marotta wrote: > I think "The Big Gundown," his album of Ennio > Morricone film music, is > very accessible and a lot of fun. Also, continuing > to get recordings > by your favorite side players on this album will > keep you busy for some > time. > > If you can find it, it is worth hunting down some > Eugene Chadbourne > albums with Zorn on it, specifically "There'll Be No > Tears Tonight" and > "LSD C&W: The History of the Chadbournes in > America." Oh yeah, Zorn's > album "Yankees" with Derek Bailey and George Lewis > is a good intro into > some amazing old school free improv > > Larry > > --- Jason Walton wrote: > > > > can anyone recommend Zorn works to me besides > > "Spillane" and "Godard?" What about his > filmworks, > > or > > book of heads. I wasnt into the bribe, or masada, > > but > > love naked city. I found masada and the bribe too > > "by > > the numbers" for me. Any suggestions? I do like > > his > > new string quartet CD. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > === Nothing / Eibon Records America P.O. Box 14121 Minneapolis, MN 55414 Nothing_grey@yahoo.com http://www.mythosmedia.com/nothing http://www.thais.it/eibon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:07:57 -0400 (EDT) From: William York Subject: Dying Ground/ Spillane/Godard > What is this Godard stuff sound like, from Zorn's latest release? > ...and what's with Spillane being on the album too? I guess he put these two together since they are the same type of pieces - the studio oriented, quick moving 'file card' things from that era. It sucks in a way that you have to buy Spillane again to get Godard (as well as the short but similar "Blues Noel). Also too bad he couldn't put the Kurt Weill song or maybe even the Monk song on there. Godard isn't as oriented toward the sleazy sdtrk. cocktail jazz stuff, but has a lot of soundtrack overtones nevertheless. It has four narrators (including Zorn speaking French), a lot of harp, and probably has more sections than Spillane, at least per minute. The reverb-y sound is pretty much perfect, especially when you consider how crappy so much stuff from the mid-80s sounds now. I think you could say this mid 80s era was a midway point between the earlier game pieces and the later more-or-less fully notated stuff (Naked City, classical stuff), but to me it's a real high point. Very entertaining. > Are you saying "Dying Ground" is a name of a Kang > album? Dying Ground is technically the name of the group, although I would say it's probably led by Kang and often filed under his name. It also includes Kato Hideki (bass) and Calvin Weston (drums + some kybds.). They have one CD, self-titled, on Avant, which is a live performance and about 40 min. long. There may be brief studio parts. Anyhow, it's pretty evil power-trio stuff, a lot of improvising but based on written parts. There are some monster riffs on there. It's totally different than the other Kang CDs, and although I didn't like it so much the first few listens, I've been listening to it a lot lately. Being on Avant, it is expensive though. WY - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:10:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Walton Subject: Re: violin (was Tzadik) recommendations Whoops, you're right, I knew Zeena Parkins played the harp, but I meant that I enjoyed the violin on that record. My mistake. Im also interested in hearing Pamela Z can anyone tell me about her? I heard about her from Bang on a can. Jason Walton - --- JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > the original query in this thread was: > > In a message dated 8/11/99 1:39:48 AM, > nothing_grey@yahoo.com writes: > > << I just heard Zeena parkins "Mouth=Maul=Betrayer", > this > is another excellent CD by an excellent violinist. > >> > > although I don't have this record, I'm fairly sure > that Zeena Parkins doesn't > play the violin, she plays the harp. so maybe he's > really looking for more > electric harp suggestions? > > my violin suggestion is Warren Ellis of the Dirty > Three, which is an > Australian violin/bass/drums trio. he ranges from > beautiful, quiet playing, > to crazy overdriven passages where you think he's > going to saw the instrument > in half. all four of their records are very good, > but each one gets a bit > mellower. the other two guys are vey good too. > > if you want the wildest one, get the first one, Sad > And Dangerous (Poon > Village). if you want the mellowest one, get Ocean > Songs (Touch and Go). and > if you get to see them live, don't pass it up. Ellis > tells hysterical, > drunken stories between songs, and has a whole Jim > Morrison/rock star thing > going on. plus, he's a better expectorater than > anyone in Major League > Baseball, and he repeatedly proves it, which is way > more entertaining than > you'd think. > > Jon > www.erstwhilerecords.com > > - > > === Nothing / Eibon Records America P.O. Box 14121 Minneapolis, MN 55414 Nothing_grey@yahoo.com http://www.mythosmedia.com/nothing http://www.thais.it/eibon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:00:20 -0500 (CDT) From: benjamin elliot axelrad Subject: Re: Violin, Violin-Cello On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 Reaboi@aol.com wrote: > Violin: A great record with Feldman on it is Crispell's "Santuero" (sp?) on Leo, with Gerry Hemmingway and Hank Roberts. That's an all-time improvized favorite. > This one just doesn't do anything for me (although it is interesting to hear how some of the material is reused on Feldman's solo disc). I'd be more than willing to trade it. Speaking of the cello, can anyone recommend albums featuring Martin Schutz (on electric cello)? I'm especially interested in the Wittwer-Schutz-Studer album on Intakt (#32) and the Koch-Schutz-Studer with the Cuban musicians. Thanks, Ben - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:10:07 -0400 From: Dan Given Subject: Re: violin >Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:04:19 GMT >From: "Scott Handley" >Subject: Re: violin (was Tzadik) recommendations > >Has anyone mentioned Phil Durrant's electroacoustic solo record SOWARI >(Acta) yet? A bit sparse to my taste, but unlike anything I've heard, >anywhere. Chirps and scratches, ambient to abrupt. Sowari is one of those albums that when I'm in the mood for it, I love to listen to. But that's not very frequently, it seems. Definitely an aquired taste. For starting with Durrant, I would recommend the recent Butcher/Durrant/Russell trio disc, The Scenic Route, on Emanem. All three players push the limits of what their instruments can do. They have been playing together for quite a while, and work with almost telepathic creativity. One of my favorite albums this year. There's also a Durrant duet with bassist Alexander Frangenheim called Further Lock on Frangenheim's Concepts of Doing label. Very quiet and minimal, and extremely captivating. Worth hunting for. Dan - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:13:46 -0400 From: Dan Given Subject: Re: Adelhard Roidinger/Dred Scott >Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:08:11 -0400 >From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu >Subject: Adelhard Roidinger/Dred Scott > > Two names not often linked, I'd wager, but yesterday I listened to > Braxton's '7 Compositions Trio (1989)' (with Roidinger and Tony Oxley) > and 'Eight (+3) Tristano Compositions' (with a quintet of Jon Rapson, > Scott, McBee and Cyrille) and was especially impressed by these two. > > 1) Any recommendations on Roidinger either as a leader or featured > player? His work here reminded me a lot of Holland's circa Circle. > Roidinger plays with Urs Leimgruber and Fritz Hauser on a Hat album called Lines. It is my favorite Leimgruber album. How's the Braxton Tristano album? It is one I don't have, because the time I did buy it, there was a Pauline Oliveros disc in the case instead. Should I track it down before it disappears into the Hat void? Dan Dan - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:10:51 -0500 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: New Tim Berne/Paraphrase CD I was wary about the Paraphrase CD because I'm not such a bug fan of the first one. I much prefer Bloodcount. However, this mini-review may persuade me to check it out. I really enjoy the Empire Box. If you like The Ancestors and Mutant Variations then you'll like the 4th and 5th discs of the set. It's the same band, just about. The other discs are good too. There is one with Nels and Alex cline that's pretty rockin'. Dan Hewins >I've been listening to this pretty constantly since getting it two days >ago. It's called "Please Advise" and is Berne with Drew Gress (bass) and >Tom Rainey (drums). Two LONG tracks - 41 and 25 min. - but they're both >pretty rockin'. This is all improv but they tend to section things out >and move into some 'beat-oriented' sections. I guess it's nothing >radically new from these guys but I still think it's great stuff. I like >it better than than the previous Paraphase CD. > >By the way, does anyone have comments on the Empire Years Box Set? > >Thanks, > >WY > > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:24:57 -0400 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re[2]: Adelhard Roidinger/Dred Scott >How's the Braxton Tristano album? It is one I don't have, because the time >I did buy it, there was a Pauline Oliveros disc in the case instead. >Should I track it down before it disappears into the Hat void? For my bucks, it's a fine album and that's from someone who's never really enjoyed the Tristano school very much. It's a killer quintet, obviously romping through the songbook with relish. On some of the up-tempo, twisting heads, one can imagine Braxton and Rapson (on baritone) cackling with glee as they negotiate them. One can also see a direct source of AB's mid-70's boppish themes. All in all, my favorite of Braxton's 'In the Tradition' releases. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "m. rizzi" Subject: no subject (file transmission) Aproved: beatbrow >From 0424483f01@abonados.cplus.es Wed Aug 11 06:39:45 1999 Received: from [194.179.86.51] (helo=3DALBA9INT) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11EXfU-00018i-00 for zorn-list@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:39:45 -0600 Received: from default - 195.53.34.140 by abonados.cplus.es with Microsof= t SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:38:57 +0200 Message-ID: <003401bee3f6$1a3b33a0$8c2235c3@default> From: "Jesus Moreno" <0424483f01@abonados.cplus.es> To: "Caleb T. Deupree" Cc: Subject: RE: violin (was Tzadik) recommendations Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:35:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Status: RO Christoph Irmer (Germany) : Statements Quintet "The Cat=B4s Pyjamas" (Leo= ); Peter Kowald Ort Ensemble Wuppertal "FMP) & "Ebro Delta" a fine duo whith spanish pianist Agusti Fernandez (Hybrid) jesusmoreno Lista de jazz en espa=F1ol: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/jazz_sp - -----Mensaje original----- De: Caleb T. Deupree Para: Francesco Martinelli CC: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Fecha: Mi=E9rcoles 11 de Agosto de 1999 01:56 PM Asunto: Re: violin (was Tzadik) recommendations >At 01:02 PM 8/11/99 +0200, Francesco Martinelli wrote: >> >>GB: Phil Butcher and Sylvia Hallett (they play other instruments as wel= l) >>Portugal, Carlos Zingaro >>Holland, Maurice Horsthuis (well, alto) and Ig Henneman >>Italy: Renato Geremia > >Yes, thanks for the tips. This also reminds me of Phil Wachsmann, whose >work with Gush and the Even Parker ElectroAcoustic Ensemble (among other= s) >is excellent. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:21:22 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: violin In a message dated 8/11/99 3:14:15 PM, lgiven1@julian.uwo.ca writes: << For starting with Durrant, I would recommend the recent Butcher/Durrant/Russell trio disc, The Scenic Route, on Emanem. All three players push the limits of what their instruments can do. They have been playing together for quite a while, and work with almost telepathic creativity. One of my favorite albums this year. >> I just bought this, and I'd agree with Dan that this is the place to start with Durrant on violin much more listenable than Sowari. my favorite Durrant record is the Wobbly Rail one, where he eschews the violin entirely in favor of electronically manipulating John Butcher's sax. one of my favorite albums this year. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:46:12 -0400 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: Violin, Violin-Cello Reaboi@aol.com wrote: > > Cello: Picked up the new Ernst Reijseger last week, and it's beautiful as hell. There's a men's choir on it, as well as a percussionist. What a sunny day record, though it gets plenty serious too. Beautiful writing. The production? Stefan Winter does it again. Big second. Everyone I've played this for loves it. Some of it gives me chills. I also really like the Billy Bang Quartet's "Spirits Gathering" on CIMP. - --Mike > STBP: Goldstein, Heward, Weins-Chants Caches - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #733 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com