From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #754 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, September 10 1999 Volume 02 : Number 754 In this issue: - Re: harvey pekar Re: More on-topic: Pekar comic on Zorn. Re: muslimgauze (off topic) deleted Bible Launcher album Re: Recent Pelf Revised Haino U.S. Live Dates Masada/Chicago Jazz Fest Re: Masada/Chicago Jazz Fest Arto Lindsay and Cesaria Evora Bible Launcher Re: Bible Launcher Re: Bible Launcher Re: Bible Launcher arto neues kabarett @ the brecht forum, 9/24-26 Re: Masada/Chicago Jazz Fest Re: Cecil Taylor/Minneapolis concert Re: Bible Launcher interesting upcoming releases on Bridge Re: interesting upcoming releases on Bridge giuffre free fall: weird Thinking Plague we Giuffre "Free Fall" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:17:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Whit Schonbein Subject: Re: harvey pekar off topic, but if anyone cares, i have it on good authority that a movie adaptation or version of american splendor is in the works; independent all the way, with pekar scripting. probably won't have any zorn content, i guess... whit whit@twinearth.wustl.edu - ------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:40:42 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: More on-topic: Pekar comic on Zorn. Adding to the Zorn content of the thread, Harvey was also responsible for Avant's release of early Joe Maneri material, 'Paniots Nine.' I can still remember the day he called me up at the office with extreme excitement and insisted on playing some of this stuff for me over the phone before he'd managed to help it find a home. He also wrote the liner notes. Harvey's a unique and remarkable man and I'm glad to know him. 'American Splendor' is always great reading. And I think he's convinced Revenant to release some more archival Maneri (alluded to at the end of the liner notes to 'Paniots Nine') once they recoup expenses from their lavish Beefheart box. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Bach, Brandenburg Concerto No. 5, Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment (Virgin) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 00:34:05 -0400 From: Taylor McLaren Subject: Re: muslimgauze (off topic) MEEP! Peter Hollo wrote: >Eskhatos: Do you have complete animosity toward the state of Israel and >its people or would you exempt certain Israelis that you might consider >good people? >Muslimgauze: No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't talk to any of them, the >whole people are disgusting so no, I wouldn't. Just look at the record >of what they've done, it's incredible. So I would not tolerate anything >to do with Israel.... [snippage] >Okay, I'll accept that it's not necessarily a statement of general >anti-Jewishness... But it's pretty close, and pretty closed-minded >wouldn't you say? Well, yes and no. On a less-serious scale, it would be sort of like saying that, by disliking Zorn, one disliked the entire "downtown scene", at least in the sense that a significant part of what many people consider to be a big part of the larger whole was being rejected. You'll notice, though, that "Zorn" and "downtown" aren't equal halves of a one-for-one substitution, and the same has to be said for "Israel" and "Jewishness". Similarly, I think it's worth pointing out that Jones objected to the existence of Israel as being an internationally-permitted violation of living-memory territory rights; citizens of such a country, then, are both participating in and (perhaps silently) condoning the forcible eviction of one group of people from what they knew/know as their home in favour of another group. Whether or not you buy that argument, I suppose, depends on how far back you're willing to go into history before you feel that claims on a particular tract of land become unreasonable... or maybe on whether or not you feel that people should simply be made to shut up and play nice. For what it's worth, though, I don't think that the whole Jones thing *is* entirely off-topic for this list: politically, the focus of his music wasn't all that different from something like "Kristallnacht", non? (I'm also tempted to raise the issue of just how "radical" the notion of "Radical Jewish Culture" among New York musicians is likely to be, but can see that becoming a really ugly exercise in playground badass bravado -- "My favourite musician is edgier than yours!" -- before very long, so maybe it would be best to wrangle with that one off-list. Still, something like _Yo! I Killed Your God_ strikes me as being a combination of some really flimsy showmanship, a heaping helping of too-easy controversy, and some pretty damned impressive playing that doesn't get nearly enough attention as a result of the first two elements.) - -me - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:02:24 +0200 From: Julien Quint Subject: deleted Bible Launcher album "Daniel L Brown" said: > Looking @ Patrick Rousell's Zorn discography, i saw a deleted album in > the Tzadik section. TZA 7402 - "Bible Launcher" (this part number > is now the one for Ken Butler's album). Does anybody know what the > story is/was with this album? Obviously it was deleted, but why? > It was a part of the Lunatic Fringe series - has anyone heard it? > What on earth was it? Yeah, thankfully the Bible Launcher CD was deleted. I thought I was so lucky when I found it in a Tower in Shinjuku, but the only redeeming quality of this CD is that it is so hard to find. I think the reason it was deleted has to do with legal issues related to sampling, but IMHO this is really a favor Tzadik has done us all. As for what it sounds like: bad early 90's metal with samples of crazy preachers and porn flicks. Every track sounds the same, and the joke gets really old after about 30 seconds. Now, anyone wants to trade my copy with a CBS version of "Cynical Hysterie Hour"? Julien - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 06:43:07 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Recent Pelf At 09:56 AM 9/6/99 -0400, Brian Olewnick wrote: > >Morton Feldman Coptic Light Argo > >The Argo release, performed by the New World Symphony conducted by >Michael Tilson Thomas, includes two other works, 'Piano and Orchestra' >and 'Cello and Orchestra' which don't quite hit the spot for me, but >'Coptic Light' is a wonderful piece, an 'orchestra as breathing organ' >work somewhat similar to 'For Samuel Beckett' in that sense. The Coptic Light release on CPO pairs it with Durations 1-5 instead of the two orchestra/solo pieces. I heard the CPO release of all four orchestra pieces (the others were violin and flute), and was surprised at how little they did for me, considering I'm becoming a pretty big Feldman fan. Coptic Light however is truly wonderful, and I'd recommend the CPO release as well. Thanks, as always, for the excellent reviews. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more than one way to conquer a country. - -- Raymond Chandler - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:07:18 -0400 From: David Keffer Subject: Revised Haino U.S. Live Dates Hey folks, Haino plans ten shows in the U.S. from Oct 30 to Nov 13. Specifics are posted at http://www.planetc.com/users/keffer/haino/text/hklive.html Cities include NYC, Albany, NY; Williamsburg, VA; Seattle, WA; Los Angeles, CA; and San Francisco, CA. No Chicago dates. David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:37:39 EDT From: DRoyko@aol.com Subject: Masada/Chicago Jazz Fest My first opportunity to see Masada in person (I was out of town during the other Chicago performance 4 or 5 years ago) was not a disappointment. Truly extraordinary. Though I know all of their discs well, I've never paid attention to the tune titles. So, even though I can say that they didn't do anything "new" in terms of unrecorded Masada tunes, I can not name the dozen or so pieces they performed. Is there anyone on the list who was there and kept track of the titles? Dave Royko - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:55:39 -0700 From: Rusty Crump Subject: Re: Masada/Chicago Jazz Fest DRoyko@aol.com wrote: > > Though I know all of their discs well, I've never paid attention to the tune > titles. So, even though I can say that they didn't do anything "new" in terms > of unrecorded Masada tunes, I can not name the dozen or so pieces they > performed. Is there anyone on the list who was there and kept track of the > titles? And in a similar vein, has anyone on the list seen/heard the quartet perform "Hobah" live? William Crump - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:27:04 -0700 From: Patrice Roussel Subject: Arto Lindsay and Cesaria Evora Does anybody know if Arto Lindsay was involved with any records of Cesaria Evora? Thanks, Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 12:40:15 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Bible Launcher Here's the story on Bible Launcher, as I understand it from Bruce Gallanter: The disc was recorded by 99Hooker and I believe two other folks (who I don't recall) and uses a lot of samples. A whole lot, at length, without permission. Zorn was apparently concerned about licensing and appropriation and after it was released gave them back the masters and full rights so that they could release it elsewhere if someone else wanted to take the risk. I have it and I do like it OK, although it wears a little thin. It's fairly noisy and some of the vocal segments are quite offensive (not that I really mind noise and offensiveness, but just for the record...). It's interesting enough if you see it cheap, but I wouldn't go for some overpriced "out of print copy" (as at least one NYC store is wont to do). On this disc, 99Hooker sounds a lot like Zorn to me. Like a whole lot (although I think he plays tenor). Any other impressions of him out there? I don't know other things he's done or even very much about him. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:45:57 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Bible Launcher BTW, it has been reissued: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - BIBLE LAUNCHER 1996 - Tzadik (USA), TZ 7402 (CD) 1997 - Radical House Records (USA), RH 0015 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:56:03 -0400 From: "Daniel L Brown" Subject: Re: Bible Launcher Well, even though neither of you gave it a glowing review, I'm still curious. Does anyone have an address for Radical House Records? Dann Brown http://pages.prodigy.net/dlb7/homepage.html - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:58:56 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Bible Launcher On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:56:03 -0400 "Daniel L Brown" wrote: > > Well, even though neither of you gave it a glowing review, I'm still > curious. Does anyone have an address for Radical House Records? http://www.radhs.com/label.html Not sure if there is still life behind the curtain... Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 99 09:55:25 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: arto I'll answer my own question in case anyone's wondering... I saw Arto's record "Prize" on Righteous Babe (Ani D's label) listed for an Oct release. Don't know anything more, like whose on it or what. Betcha dollars for doughnuts Dougie's in the mix, tho. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 99 10:58:14 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: neues kabarett @ the brecht forum, 9/24-26 The Brecht Forum 122 W. 27th St. 10th Fl 212.242.4201 $10/night Fri 9/24 9 - Cecilia Smith (vibes) 10 - Kali Fasteau (reeds, flutes, percussion) 11 - Karen Borca (bassooon, w/Rob Brown, sax; Jackson Krall, drums; Chris Lightcap, bass) Sat 9/25 9 - Judy Dunaway (balloons) 10 - Gina Leishman (piano, sampler) 11 - Yuko Fujiyama (piano, w/Tomas Ulrich, cello) Sun 9/26 8 - Andrea Parkins (piano, accordian, sampler) 9 - Christine Bard (drums, electronics) 10 - Efacho Okeke (piano) Funding from Meet the Composer, Inc. is provided with support from ASCAP, the Mary Flager Cary Charitable Trust, J.P. Morgan & Co, Inc., The Virgil Thomson Foundation, the City of New York Department of Cultural Affairs and the Jerome Foundation. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:33:04 EDT From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Masada/Chicago Jazz Fest In a message dated 9/8/1999 11:56:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rusty@steno.com writes: > And in a similar vein, has anyone on the list seen/heard the quartet perform > "Hobah" live? Thats the only tune I know by name after hearing it.... yes they've played it at least twice at the Knitting Factory. I witnessed it back in '96. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:42:57 CDT From: "samuel yrui" Subject: Re: Cecil Taylor/Minneapolis concert Hey Mike, i have your answer. here's what the little pamphlet said: Cecil Taylor Quartet Sat., February 19- 8 pm. Ted Mann Concert Hall Groups 10+ $17.50 $12.75 they really accomodate groups well, but not so much for inividuals. but i want to see this so bad that i don't care. -samuel y. Hi Samuel, Did you get an answer to yr. Cecil Taylor question? I live in Kansas City, and had planned to see his qt. in Chicago in February, but a Minneapolis show would be much easier on the wallet. Been trolling the Net for a few hrs. & haven't turned up a thing. If you could pass along any info you find I'd be most greatful. Yours, Mike S. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:55:57 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Bible Launcher In a message dated 9/8/99 3:02:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: << On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:56:03 -0400 "Daniel L Brown" wrote: > > Well, even though neither of you gave it a glowing review, I'm still > curious. Does anyone have an address for Radical House Records? http://www.radhs.com/label.html Not sure if there is still life behind the curtain... >> I ordered this one and two other CDs that sounded interesting from their website a year ago at least (can't remember if it was with CC or if I sent a check...), and got all three in about 8-10 days. Even then, their website had not been updated in almost a year. =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:02:01 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: interesting upcoming releases on Bridge Talking about Feldman, Bridge made the following anouncement on the rec.music.classical.contemporary newsgroup: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BRIDGE: UPCOMING RELEASES September: Morton Feldman: Crippled Symmetry (1983) California EAR Unit; Two discs for the price of one. BRIDGE 9092A/B October: Gunther Schuller: Sextet for Bassoon, Piano, and String Quartet (1986) Fantasy-Suite (1994) for Guitar; Duologue (1981) for violin & piano. Michael Finn, bassoon, Miro Quartet, Charles Abramovic, piano; Gunther Schuller, conductor; David Starobin, guitar; Gregory Fulkerson, violin. BRIDGE 9093 November: GEORGE CRUMB: 70th BIRTHDAY ALBUM Star-Child (1977) for soprano, trombone, children's choir, male choir, antiphonal bell-ringers, organ and large orchestra; Mundus Canis (1998) for guitar and percussion; Three Early Songs (1947); George Crumb, piano, percussion, and bell-ringer; Susan Narucki, soprano; Ann Crumb, soprano; Joseph Alessi, trombone; David Starobin, guitar; Warsaw Boys' Choir, Warsaw Philharmonic Orchestra; Thomas Conlin, conductor BRIDGE 9095 Please visit Bridge's newly designed website. Secure online ordering as well as MP3 samples. www.BridgeRecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:23:18 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: interesting upcoming releases on Bridge On Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 09:02:01AM -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > September: Morton Feldman: Crippled Symmetry (1983) California EAR Unit; Two > discs for the price of one. BRIDGE 9092A/B > > Please visit Bridge's newly designed website. Secure online ordering as well > as MP3 samples. www.BridgeRecords.com Woo! That hit my shopping basket so fast the electrons have whiplash. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:03:54 GMT From: "Scott Handley" Subject: giuffre free fall: weird I just bought the Columbia reissue of Jimmy Giuffre's FREE FALL, and I am blown away. Ya'll said it was excellent, but the encomia couldn't prepare me for THIS.... At any rate, I am disappointed to hear a strange "pre-echo" on the solo clarinet performances. In moments of silence, I can hear the disembodies echo of what is ABOUT TO BE PLAYED. Is this a fluke with my CD, or an uncorrectable problem w/ original tapes, or was it badly remastered? Or does anyone else have this problem? - -----s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:08:05 -0400 From: Chad Mairn Subject: Thinking Plague Whoever recommended the group 'Thinking Plague'....my hat is off to you! They are incredible! Definitely check out track 4 titled "Les Etudes D'organism" on the "In Extremis" CD. *** Thinking Plague "In Extremis" Cuneiform Records (1998) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:18:03 +1000 (EST) From: Aaron Chee-Kean Chua Subject: we anyone got any opnions on the new "we" album: square root of negative one? i was meant to be getting a gift for someone when i saw this on sale? should i return this or should i just rip the shrink wrap now? their first album got a lukewarm report from a friend. regards, aaron - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:18:50 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Giuffre "Free Fall" Thanks to whoever recommended Jimmy Giuffre's "Free Fall". I just got it and listened to it. Ahhhh.... More foreground and prickly than I expected, and definitely worth a whole lot more serious listening... - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #754 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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