From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #785 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, November 5 1999 Volume 02 : Number 785 In this issue: - Re: ross bolleter New Susie Ibarra Album Hosokawa? Reply to Musings by Alvin Curran JZ interview Let's compile a bootleg list Jump Festival 8 at the Brecht Forum Pig Pen Query RE: New Susie Ibarra Album Re: Pig Pen Query Re: Pig Pen Query Re: Pig Pen Query Re: Pig Pen Query Re: Pig Pen Query Re: Pig Pen Query Re: Pig Pen Query ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:18:57 +0800 From: numbats@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: ross bolleter Hi, I just got this from Ross. The $25 is Australian (approx 3 Oz = 2 US) so about US$16 + postage. Contact Ross direct or I could help if there is a problem. Billy >Delivered-To: numbats@iinet.net.au >From: "bolleter" >To: >Subject: Chatline Enquiry >Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:04:37 +0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > > Dear Bill, Sorry to be so slow in getting back to >you.In >terms of the enquiry I am still active musically,having released >three CDs in >the last year---- Left Hand of the Universe ,The >Night Moves on Little >Feet and Crow Country -the latter to shortly come >out on the Pogus label[ New >York ].I am currently working on a radio >piece involving stories about >aboriginal women with Sound Artist Ron >Sims .I play accordion in Bulgarity,a >trio specializing in Klezmer and >Balkan folk music with Mark Cain and Kerry >Fletcher and play solo tangos >in the Tango Nuevo style .Also composing the >score for Susan Murphy's >film Blind Love Tango.My CDs can be purchased at a >cost of $25.00 plus >postage. Thanks for getting in touch >Bill.All good >wishes,Ross - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:04:47 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: New Susie Ibarra Album Yes, yes, finally I've got a record to recommend. (Ususally most of you guys are so far ahead of me these days...) Susie Ibarra's new album 'Radiance' is the second release on her own label, Hopscotch. (The first was an album of duets with husband Assif Tsahar.) The other two band members are Charles Burnham on violin and Cooper-Moore on piano, harp and diddley-bo (an invented one-string electric bass instrument). I bought the disc at a record release party at Tonic last Friday (just after hearing my other favorite drummer, Jim Black, with the Tiny Bell Trio in the Old Office of the Knit. The group performed in Halloween costumes and sang a gospel medley for their last number. This was only the third or fourth appearance by this band. It's a surprising group for those who only know Susie's work as a free drummer with Ware, Parker and Shipp... there are free tracks, sure, but there are also beautiful melodies and propulsive grooves. And most of the tracks are quite short. Dave Douglas mentioned this album in the Fall preview issue of the New York Times, and he was right to recommend it. It's easily one of my favorite releases of the year, though it's got none of the fire and brimstone you might expect of the Vision Fest crowd. Cooper-Moore's invented harp is especially lovely on the two versions of "Dreams," and Burham plays the wickedest blooz this side of Ulmer's Odyssey on the Hendrix tune. Susie Ibarra Trio: 'Radiance' (1999) Hopscotch CD HOP 02 1. Radiance a. Blessings 3:34 b. Dreams 5:08 c. Laughter 2:38 2. A Glimpse 3:08 3. Up from the Skies 7:07 4. Half Moon 3:07 5. Jagged Threads 5:24 6. Arboles 5:04 7. Magandang Araw 5:06 8. Dreams (alternate take) 7:03 9. Laughter (alternate take) 2:27 Recorded July 18, 1999 at Roulette by Jim Staley All compositions by Susie Ibarra except 3 by Jimi Hendrix Hopscotch Records, PO Box 170279, Times Plaza Station, Brooklyn, NY 11217 All best, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:29:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Pratt Subject: Hosokawa? Can anyone out there tell me anything about a Japanese composer named Toshio Hosokawa? I just listened to the Wergo disc comprised of his "In die Tiefe der Zeit" and John Cage's "Two^4" for the first time and really enjoyed his piece (a very delicate and slow-moving piece for cello and accordion). I'm curious to know more about this guy. Anyone? Thanks. -Tom Pratt ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:37:03 -0500 From: "Ljova" Subject: Reply to Musings by Alvin Curran [Dear Jeroen, if you could cross-post this reply to Formhub, and/or email it to Mr. Curran, I would be much obliged. Thanks!] I wonder about this post. It is true that we are now in a new age, where there is a lot of great new technology, which allows anyone to listen to music from any part of the world -- all superbly recorded in glorious stereo, by the most authoritative (hate that word) musicians in their fields. However, it must be stressed that these recordings are quite expensive to purchase on a regular basis, and so the alternatives are little -- browse endlessly through mp3.com and other online sites, or hope to catch something on the radio. Oh, yes, go to concerts -- but who has the time? While I respect Alvin's view of "what to do" with this globalization process in music, I think that composers should probably take a conservative stance. It is true that Debussy took a lot from the Gamelan, and that Schoenfield, Bernstein and maybe even Zorn have taken a lot from Jewish idioms -- but that never changed who they were. Debussy remained a French composer, and did not become an Indonesian. Zorn and Bernstein were/are devout New Yorkers, and as far as Schoenfield is concerned -- even though he moved to Israel, his music sounds essentially American. It has nothing to do with other Israeli classical composers, or the contemporary Europeans, either. Not enough stress, has ever been put on the physical/geographical location of a composer, and the effects it has on his music. There are two basic factors to a composers' sound -- Education and Location. Both may cull negative and/or positive responses from the composers -- that is, a composer may choose to revolt against their education and/or location. But, basically, they are still attached to them one way or another. Personally, I was born in Russia, but, for 10 years now I've lived in New York City. Though I remember Russia vaguely, my musical ideas do not come from there - they come from New York. The sounds of the Gamelan are completely foreign to me and my sound world -- I've never experienced them in my natural habitat. I own a couple CDs of traditional Gamelan music, but I do not listen to them a lot -- this sort of "push-button" inspiration does not work for me. If I were friends with some local guys (or girls) who played Gamelan "for fun", that would be another story. But until it is present to me as something exotic, I doubt it will become a part of my language. At this moment of aural over-saturation that we are in (provided that you can afford the CDs, (or the earplugs if you hear the sound of MUZAK), there appears to be no aparent reason to compose -- all of the great music has already been written, and what's coming out now is just trash. Obviously, this statement is not true. There is always a reason to compose, and there is a constant flow of amazing new music from all directions. But this is thanks to composers doing the most important thing -- EXPRESSING themselves. expressing THEMSELVES!, and others in their image. There is more, of course... the endless web of tangled questions about this and that... but enough for now. :) Cheerio!, Ljova - -------- Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin L@Ljova.com http://www.Ljova.com "Do not fear mistakes - there are none." -Miles Davis > -----Original Message----- > ******************************************************************** > > Normally I would avoid like a plague, joining forums about anything > because inspite of the exciting possibilities of connecting with a > lot of people you don't know - this kind of communication is very > time consuming, in contrast with the ancient analogue forms of people > getting together at precise times to meet in the piazza, town square, > parlaments, university, church or temple to discuss important and > pressing issues and ideas.. that said, I was so taken by your > intelligent and provocative questions that -here I am- sitting and > writting answers to them.. bravo. [further snipped] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:13:25 +0100 From: otto.siegfried@t-online.de (otto) Subject: JZ interview For those of you capable of understanding German: There's a new JZ interview by Bill Milkowski, translated into German, at www.jazzthing.de. Part I of this interview is only available through the magazine Jazzthing. Love, Siegfried P.S.: Still looking for live stuff from Zorn/Ibarra. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:37:04 +0100 From: AnneJan van Aperloo Subject: Let's compile a bootleg list Hi there, Recently I traded some recordings with some of you. Most of the recordings are very good but there's not always a setlist with it. Would it be a good idea to compile a complete list with recording dates, line up, and setlists ? It would make a great overview of Zorn's work. We could do this as follows: Send an email to my adres, (mention TRADER in the subject) After a week I'll send my list containing the setlists, recording dates, line ups I have to the first one on the list. This person adds dates, setlists etc he (she) knows and sends the updated list to the second one on the list, and so on. The last one sends the list back to me and I'll send the complete list to everyone. After a few weeks we can have an (almost ??) complete overview of recordings. AnneJan Hok.Pop@net.HCC.nl - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 15:38:13 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Jump Festival 8 at the Brecht Forum Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum and JumpArts present Jump Festival 8 Nov. 18-20 Liberation Jazz, Dance and Poetry 12 acts over 3 nights with the work of painters M.P. Landis and Eunju Kang $10/night ($6 student/senior/unemployed/underemployed) Thurs., 11/18 8 p.m. - Improv Dance Workshop 9 p.m. - Chris Jonas' Sun Spits Cherries 10 p.m. Makanda Ken McIntyre solo 11 p.m. - Andrew Bemkey & Kin-Ship Fri., 11/19 8 p.m. - Charles Waters & the Nuzion Dance Workshop 9p.m. - poet Richard Kearns 10 p.m. - Ori Kaplan 4 w/Susie Ibarra 11 p.m. - Jordan McLean & Friends Sat., 11/20 8 p.m. - Neil Podgurski's Natural 9 p.m. Ryan Sawyer & Matt Lavell duo 10 p.m. Rashied Ali solo 11 p.m. Assif Tsahar's Zoanthropic Orchestra Also on Saturday from 4-5 Children's music workshop, led by JumpArts musicians, free. at The Brecht Forum 122 W. 27th St., 10th floor NYC 212.242.4201 for more info, log onto JumpArts.org - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:45:41 -0200 From: "Hugo Linares" Subject: Pig Pen Query This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF2727.16007600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Zornheads! =20 Probably a simple question for most of you as quite important for me. Can any on this List tell me the real/most accurate meaning of Pig Pen = or the sense Wayne Horvitz intended to state at with that name? I'm planning some reviews on Horvitz's records in an Argentinian = newspaper and that or any other information would be of great help. = Anyone? Thanks a lot in advance, Hugo =20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF2727.16007600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Probably a simple question for most of you as quite important for = me.
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I'm planning some reviews on Horvitz's records in an Argentinian = newspaper=20 and that or any other information would be of great help. Anyone?
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF2727.16007600-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:33:26 -0800 From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: New Susie Ibarra Album > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:05 PM > Susie Ibarra's new album 'Radiance' is the second release on her own > label, Hopscotch. This seems like a pretty exciting time for Ibarra fans (despite her recent departures from you-know-where). The latest issue of The Wire (Nov. 99) also mentions an upcoming duet album with Derek Bailey and an appearance on a Yo La Tengo album next year. Whee! (BTW, she's featured in an article on "the rise of ecstatic jazz" in New York (Parker, Gayle, Ware). Later, Ben np: john coltrane, "living space" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:14:46 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query At 12:45 AM 11/5/99, Hugo Linares wrote: >Hi Zornheads! > >Probably a simple question for most of you as quite important for me. >Can any on this List tell me the real/most accurate meaning of Pig Pen or >the sense Wayne Horvitz intended to state at with that name? > >I'm planning some reviews on Horvitz's records in an Argentinian newspaper >and that or any other information would be of great help. Anyone? > >Thanks a lot in advance, > >Hugo Pigpen was the nickname of the Grateful Dead's original keyboardist. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:27:31 +0100 (MET) From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query >Pigpen was the nickname of the Grateful Dead's original keyboardist. Also a character in the comic strip _Peanuts_, how just never could stay clean. Stephen - --------------------- Richard Pettersson Department of History of Science and Ideas Ume=E5 University S-901 87 Ume=E5, Sweden Phone: +46 90 786 99 38 Telfax: 046 90 14 33 74 E-mail: Richard.Pettersson@histstud.umu.se - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:33:50 +0100 (MET) From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query >Pigpen was the nickname of the Grateful Dead's original keyboardist. Also a character in the comic strip _Peanuts_, how just never could stay clean. ^^^ "who", he meant to write, of course. S - --------------------- Richard Pettersson Department of History of Science and Ideas Ume=E5 University S-901 87 Ume=E5, Sweden Phone: +46 90 786 99 38 Telfax: 046 90 14 33 74 E-mail: Richard.Pettersson@histstud.umu.se - - Richard Pettersson Department of History of Science and Ideas Ume=E5 University S-901 87 Ume=E5, Sweden Phone: +46 90 786 99 38 Telfax: 046 90 14 33 74 E-mail: Richard.Pettersson@histstud.umu.se - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:15:58 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:45:41 -0200 "Hugo Linares" wrote: > > Probably a simple question for most of you as quite important for me. > Can any on this List tell me the real/most accurate meaning of Pig Pen = > or the sense Wayne Horvitz intended to state at with that name? > > I'm planning some reviews on Horvitz's records in an Argentinian = > newspaper and that or any other information would be of great help. = > Anyone? The name came from a musician in the Grateful Dead (or was it Jeff. Airplane?). Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:09:00 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query On Fri, Nov 05, 1999 at 08:15:58AM -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > The name came from a musician in the Grateful Dead (or was it Jeff. Airplane?). For pictures of the Grateful Dead's Pigpen McKernan, check out http://dead.net/merchandising/gallery/pig.html - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:37:46 -0800 From: schwitterz Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query I thought it was the Seattle-grunge connection: http://www.snoopy.com/comics/peanuts/f_profiles/html/f4j.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:12:42 -0800 (PST) From: sonny shine Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query so this is about a hippie? hmm. never much cared for Greatful Dead. when i was a hippie in high school, i said i liked them and yet had never heard anything except Casey Jones and i didn't even know that that was them. i was an ignorant hippie, course once i became a wise hippie, i found i didn't like being a hippie. sonny. - --- Joseph Zitt wrote: > On Fri, Nov 05, 1999 at 08:15:58AM -0800, Patrice L. > Roussel wrote: > > The name came from a musician in the Grateful Dead > (or was it Jeff. Airplane?). > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #785 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com