From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #786 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, November 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 786 In this issue: - Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #783 Prelapse detail... New Nothing Website Haino Keiji/John Zorn/Ikue Mori/Z'ev ALBOTH! Pianists/FMP ?? Bill Does El & Burt jz-> yankees-> george lewis-> aacm An adult theme. tip for lmc fans in nyc lester Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc [Fushitsusha] Re: lester Re: lester Words From Lester new otomo/marclay 7" Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:38:55 -0500 From: "David J. Keffer" Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #783 >Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:21:44 GMT >From: "Scott Handley" >Subject: haino/brotzmann: !#?* > >This is from the nice PERFECT SOUND FOREVER article on Haino, which seems >like a nice, even critical overview of Haino's recorded work: > >"And perhaps, one day, the recording of Fushitsusha playing with Peter >Brotzmann will see daylight. (Haino acknowledges its existence, but says >it's not scheduled for release.)" > >Oh my god. Could this be? It happened. April 26, 1996 at Hosei University Student Hall. Flyer posted at http://www.planetc.com/users/keffer/haino/text/index3.html Click "PSF Flyers"... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:07:52 -0500 From: "Daniel L Brown" Subject: Prelapse detail... Well, I bought the Prelapse album - I do like it very much. But I have a strange question for anyone out there who might know the answer... In the song "Mystery Hole", am I hearing a Charles Ives sample? - ------- Dann Brown 17213 Chiswell Road Poolesville, MD 20837 (301) 972-8045 ICQ #44972415 Newly updated, still free!: http://pages.prodigy.net/dlb7/homepage.html Do what you want. Want what you do. Silence is golden but screaming is fun. Make noise, not war. - ------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:30:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Walton Subject: New Nothing Website Nothing has a new website featuring all releases, lyrics, reviews, interviews, links and more. Please link this to your sites and delete all links for the outdated "mythosmedia" site. http://www.crionicmind.org/nothing Jason Walton ===== Nothing 801 University Ave. S.E. #23 Minneapolis, MN 55414 Nothing_grey@yahoo.com http://www.crionicmind.org/nothing http://www.thais.it/eibon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 17:49:09 -0500 From: "Zachary J. Griffin" Subject: Haino Keiji/John Zorn/Ikue Mori/Z'ev Hi, Without going into a full fledged review. I caught both of the Haino Keiji/John Zorn/Ikue Mori/Z'ev shows last night and thought that Haino and the others were terrific. This was the first time I ever saw Haino Keiji live, so it was a thrill just seeing how he plays his guitar (as well as the traditional japanese string instruments) to make the sounds that he made. It was also the first time I ever heard the collaboration of electric guitars and electronic sounds in a live music setting. After being a little skeptic about it going in, I have to say that I was blown away by how well those two elements worked together and once again have to rethink about how music can be created. Which I seem to do just about every time I come to New York to see a show. I do have a question, however. Does anyone know why Zorn didn't appear for the 10pm set? I don't want to go into the details. I'll just say that I saw certain things happen preceding the announcement of a Zorn-less second set. And I will be the first one to admit that I didn't see the complete picture. And I don't want to start any rumors. But it was a fact that somebody from Tonic got up onto the soundboard platform and announced that the second set would be without Zorn. If this is too personal of a question and none of my business, I understand and forgive me for asking. I'm just curious. Zach Griffin - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 12:07:36 +0100 From: Shlomo Weintraub Subject: ALBOTH! - --------------C69F1E14F9785D8AC601B29A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Is there anybody out there who is into alboth! ? does anyone know if they are the planning to bring out a new album? ciao shlomo - --------------C69F1E14F9785D8AC601B29A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
Is there anybody out there who is into alboth! ?
does anyone know if they are the planning to bring out a new album?
ciao shlomo - --------------C69F1E14F9785D8AC601B29A-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:57:54 -0700 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " Subject: Pianists/FMP ?? Can anyone comment on these albums/pianists? Bernard Arndt "inside Insight" Christine Wodrascka "Vertical" Misha Mengelberg "impromptus" Xu Feng Xia "Difference and Similarity" Sam Rivers "Portrait" Thanks - -Matt Wirzbicki - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:42:09 +0100 (MET) From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Bill Does El & Burt Is anyone else enjoying Bill Frisell=B4s interpretation of Costello & Bacharach=B4s songs, _The Sweetest Punch_ (Decca), as much as I am? The premise behind the project is quite fascinating; Frisell received the tunes and a demo from Costello before Bacharach had penned the arrangements and before the duo had gone into the studio to record them. Thus Frisell was not influenced by the sound of the final product (except perhaps on "God Give Me Strength", which of course had been available on a film soundtrack for some time). Though he really cannot hold a candle to Bacharach as arranger and the group sounds a tad tentative at times, he and his small ensemble have created a terrific "alternative" version of _Painted From Memory_. While mainly instrumental, Costello sings on "Toledo", adding a new verse, and duets with Cassandra Wilson on "I Still Have that Other Girl", while she herself turns in a sad and sultry performance of the title track, which in itself is worth the price of admission. Stephen Fruitman - --------------- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Lena Berggren, PhD Department of Historical Studies University of Umea SE-901 87 Umea SWEDEN Lena.Berggren@histstud.umu.se Phone +46 (0)90 786 96 19 Mobile +46 (0)70 233 47 30 =46ax +46 (0)90 14 33 74 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 12:48:24 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: jz-> yankees-> george lewis-> aacm ah, i have achieved content in just three degrees of separation. ok, if anyone in nyc saw the recent muhal richard abrams or douglas ewart shows, i'd love to see some reviews. i've been hung up on haino the last two weeks. kinda makes me feel guilty, since i still count the aacm as my lifeblood. nippon beats out the second city? what's happened to me? respond privately if you feel that great black music is too far a stray from radical jewish culture. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:46:41 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?=22=DCM=DDT_BAYKARA=22?= Subject: An adult theme. Has anyone noticed that some sounds in the 22th track, 'Butterfly in a Glass Maze' of Mike Patton's Adult Themes For Voice are very much like the grooving sounds in Pink Floyd's 'Several Species of Furry Animals etc.etc....' from Ummagumma album ? I wonder what Floyd used to create these sounds :-) Cheers, Umit. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 15:39:29 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: tip for lmc fans in nyc I was at Kim's on Bleeker (the one near NYU) last night. They have 4 or 5 copies of the newly released Loren MazzaCane Connors & Jim O'Rourke In Bern on Hat Noir for $10.99. Don't know why. Overpriced Music just a few blocks away has it for $8 more. Listening to it now -- the first 3.5 minutes sound pretty nice. The notes say 'if John Cage had composed any country music, it certainly would have sounded like this.' And just cause I'm amused, here's the track listing: 01 Now Who Are These Guys? 5:20 02 Still Going ... 19:37 03 Are They Going to Stop? 13:46 04 You Can Stay If You Want, But I'm Going Home 10:05 While I'm not working, has anyone heard a new rerelease of an accoustic record Loren did with a woman folk singer whose name I forget (not Suzanne Langille). It was one of the selections on the Loren table at Tonic all month. Reviews, please. I'm also looking for comparisons between Fushitsusha w/ old and new drummers. This weekend was the first time I've seen them. I liked the drummer quite a bit, but I understand some didn't. It was awfully sparse'n'harsh. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:56:48 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: lester Well, I'll pass on the sad news that was just given to me by zornlistmember Brian. Lester Bowie apparently died last night. I'm looking around for an obituary now -- will post if I find one. I'm trying to find in myself the spirit I think Lester would have. (I'm gonna get sappy, so just deal.) I don't know anything about his religious or spiritual beliefs, but he came from a very spiritual organization. Especially in Chicago (where I used to live), the AACM is very much about higher powers and higher consciousness. The phrase commonly used there is that someone has gone on to the next level. But I can't help feeling what a loss this is to an organization that - -- if only in terms of recognition beyond its home base -- seems to be waning, and one that introduced me to free music. Lester's lab coat to me always suggested that he was the concoctor. Whereas Malachi may be a warrior, Joseph a shaman, Roscoe a streetsmart player (and these are only my perceptions), Lester was the one that brought the spirit of American music into the mix of African rhythm and improvisatory innovation. Brass Fantasy updated that interest, upholding the "Great Black Music: Ancient Into the Future" moniker perhaps more than anyone by putting WC Handy and Michael Jackson on the same level, and then showing genre distinctions don't matter so long as you play shit out of the music. I'm very sad thinking about the shows I've passed up the last few years, thinking about the Art Ensemble gig I just saw advertised in NJ next year. Jazz players, like the rest of us, die. But Bowie was like Mr. Greenjeans to me, explaining with his trumpet the connectedness of music when I was just a little jazz novice. Once I shake it, though, I'll start focusing on the many many documentations of him we're fortunate to have, AECO albums like Third Decade, the Alternative Express, Nice Guys; Brass Fantasy's The Fire This Time; the Ritual records with Kahil El'Zabar and Malachi Favors Maghoustat (on Silkheart, I believe -- if you don't have them, and they're still in print, then there's a problem). And a video, from the mid or late 70s as I recall, of the Art Ensemble live at (I think) the Jazz Showcase. I had a copy years ago. There's one section where Lester was playing a huge marching bass drum, hitting it very slowly on every 4th count. Me and my friend Paul used to watch it over and over in slow motion, astounded with the ecstatic, trance-like expression on his face. And I'll think about the couple of brief times I was lucky enough to meet him. Don't let the lab coat fool you -- when he wasn't playing, the man could dress! I read an interview with Lester several years ago where he said he would play his last concert on his 65th birthday. He said he was fortunate enough to be able to retire, and that many musicians are forced to keep working hard because they don't have the pension many other occupations offer. I remember figuring out at the time that that concert would be in like 2003 or so. I would have been there. kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:53:51 -0500 From: Jeni Dahmus Subject: Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc [Fushitsusha] kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: > I'm also looking for comparisons between Fushitsusha w/ old and new > drummers. This weekend was the first time I've seen them. I liked the drummer > quite a bit, but I understand some didn't. It was awfully sparse'n'harsh. I also saw Fushitsusha for the first time over the weekend. The concert transformed me into a Haino worshiper. In addition to drummer comparisons, I'm interested in reviews of Haino's dance collaborations. Jeni - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:37:07 -0500 From: James Hale Subject: Re: lester kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: > > Well, I'll pass on the sad news that was just given to me by zornlistmember > Brian. Lester Bowie apparently died last night. I'm looking around for an > obituary now -- will post if I find one. Shit. Hope you're wrong on this one... I can't find mention of it on either the Times or CNN sites. I interviewed Lester last year and he was FULL of life. He's one guy I couldn't imagine going so young. Last night I was reading John Litweiler's very funny letter to Lester in this month's Coda. James Hale - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:48:36 -0500 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: lester James Hale wrote: > Shit. Hope you're wrong on this one... I can't find mention of it on > either the Times or CNN sites. > I interviewed Lester last year and he was FULL of life. He's one guy I > couldn't imagine going so young. > Last night I was reading John Litweiler's very funny letter to Lester in > this month's Coda. Sorry, but the info is correct. WKCR has been playing a memorial broadcast since about 12 noon today. News had been around for about a month that he had liver cancer, though prior to today my impression was that, while serious, it wasn't at the life-threatening stage. But... Listened to 'People in Sorrow' today; don't think I've ever heard more poignant or deeply felt trumpet playing. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 20:14:04 -0500 From: James Hale Subject: Words From Lester Here are some words of lasting inspiration from Lester Bowie from an interview I did with him last year. Hope they soothe your soul on this sad night. "I'm pessimistic about how the music is perceived by the general public, but I'm optimistic about the potential of the music. I'm inspired about the work that a lot of creative musicians have been doing throughout the world. "People are more demanding of their art than they were in the past. They're more knowledgeable than they were before. For some reason, the mass media seems to assume that the audience is stupid or doesn't know what it wants to listen to. The audience is much more intelligent than we give them credit for. They know that they're missing something; they want to hear something that applies to them -- not to their fathers or grandfathers. "I've seen so many people bored to death by what they've been told is jazz. These are people who are ready for something fresh and innovative. I see thousands of people in my audiences every night I play and they're hungry for the music." James Hale - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:17:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Pratt Subject: new otomo/marclay 7" I picked up the new split 7" on Gentle Giant by Christian Marclay and Otomo Yoshihide today. Marclay's side consists of a pretty standard 2-minute sample/collage thing that doesn't leave too big an impression (on me at least). Otomo's side is a hectic sine-wave/cut-up piece that I like quite a bit. One thing about Otomo, though... When I saw I.S.O. at Victo last May, I could have sworn Otomo sampled from Ryoji Ikeda's "Headphonics" off of '+/-' a few times throughout the performance. Others who witnessed this seemed to agree with me, but Otomo said he didn't have that CD with him at the show. I figured it was merely a coincidence, not so unbelievable since both artists work with a similar field of sound. Now, on Otomo's side of this new 7", I'm *definitely* hearing some pretty obvious samples from Ikeda's '0 Degrees'. I don't quite know what to make of it all... -Tom Pratt ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:32:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc - --- kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: > > I was at Kim's on Bleeker (the one near NYU) last > night. They have 4 or 5 copies of the newly released > Loren MazzaCane Connors & Jim O'Rourke In Bern on > Hat Noir for $10.99. Don't know why. Overpriced > Music just a few blocks away has it for $8 more. That's probably because Loren sold them to Kim's directly while Other Music bought them through a distributer. Loren sells his CDs to OM directly as well, but he didn't make it into the store in time with this one. After the distributer-bought batch sells out of OM, the buyer will probably get them from Loren too. If you compare the regular price for hatHUT discs at Kim's an OM, I think you'll find them to be very similar. Nice disc, by the way... -Tom Pratt ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:36:22 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc Tom Pratt wrote: > --- kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: > > > > I was at Kim's on Bleeker (the one near NYU) last > > night. They have 4 or 5 copies of the newly released > > Loren MazzaCane Connors & Jim O'Rourke In Bern on > > Hat Noir for $10.99. > > That's probably because Loren sold them to Kim's > directly while Other Music bought them through a > distributer. That was going to be my guess, seeing as how I bought said disc last night at Downtown Music Gallery for $11.99 because Bruce, too, bought his copies from Loren. But since Tom has stepped up and told the story, there's little need for my guesswork, now, is there? > If you compare the regular price for hatHUT discs at > Kim's an OM, I think you'll find them to be very > similar. Absolutely true. Thus, I tend to buy hat releases at OM in almost every instance except in cases where DMG has an even-lower rock bottom price due to having purchased them from artists who only sell to Bruce. I therefore tend to buy most of my Matt Shipp discs at DMG, and got a ridiculous deal on the last Joe McPhee CD as well... (Tom, if Matt is selling to you guys directly as well now, please correct me...) > Nice disc, by the way... Seconded. It's beautiful. But the bit about Cage and country music is kinda silly, dontcha think? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Art Ensemble of Chicago, "Uncle," 'Urban Bushmen' (ECM) (... mourning the loss of Lester Bowie ...) - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #786 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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