From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #794 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, November 19 1999 Volume 02 : Number 794 In this issue: - artoverview (was long) Re[2]: artoverview (long) Re: artoverview (long) Re: New Arto CD Re: Katerine Re: artoverview (long) Tr: Katerine ennio Middleheim, Blue Planet Man Re: Middleheim, Blue Planet Man Re: New Arto CD Arto Lindsay Prize tony williams (beware: off topic!) Sonny Clark Memorial: Voodoo Re: tony williams (beware: off topic!) Paging Herb Levy Zorn's favourite ethnic recordings (long) more Stooges than you'll ever want ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Nov 99 12:48:21 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: artoverview (was long) i expect personal thank you messages from everyone on the list for my being brief in responding. first, patrice says: I believe that his playing has saved many songs from being totally boring. well, i agree that i've heard plenty of songs where he's the only thing interesting going on. that, however, is not enough for me to think the song is of any real value. then, patrice asks: How can you compare styles so dramatically opposed (Asian Bar Bands vs Golden Palomonos/Lounge Lizards)? didn't mean to compare, except to say where i think it's worth looking for examples of arto. you're right, they are very different works. kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:44:58 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re[2]: artoverview (long) Patrice wrote: >The first Golden Palominos is an amazing records and Arto is all over. In >fact, I am wondering if the initial Golden Palominos was not a project of >both Anton and Arto. That was my impression at the time it came out. Subsequently, it became entirely Fier-driven... >If there were any record to choose to illustrate the >NY scene early '80s, that's the one. I can't describe the music except that >it is weird and accessible at the same time (thanks, I guess to Anton, Bill, >and Arto who seem incapable of making cryptic music for the sake of it :-). It is indeed a pretty amazing record and one which folks should definitely pick up if they haven't already. Personally, it was one of two releases (along with 'Extended Niceties', by the Love of Life Orchestra, also featuring Arto) that got me back to reconsidering rock as a potentially viable musical form! >Also worth checking is "Only One Party" on the VISIONS OF EXCESS (second Golden >Palominos) - a powerful song with as much energy as "Locus Coruleus" (and the >only thing I really enjoy on the record). I actually find 'Visions of Excess' to be of consistent high quality throughout. It's probably as close as it gets to a "traditional" rock album that I thoroughly enjoy. Christ, even Michael Stipe is on it! The opening track, 'Boy (Go)', wipes out anything I've ever heard by REM. That being said, the follow-up album, 'Blast of Silence', is a miserable, tedious piece of crap. For my money, they gradually got back on track and the recent issues have been fairly enjoyable. But those first two stand way out. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:33:09 +0100 From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" Subject: Re: artoverview (long) What I find really interesting with Arto is it's pointless to take apart the "bland" from the "skronk". This seems even to apply to concerts: The one I saw in Aug 95 had BOTH the "Brazilian" AND the "Aggregates" styles in alternance (with the same players, and I can tell you Cantuaria (if it was him) played his heart out on the Aggregates material, only you couldn't hear him). Stephane - -----Original Message----- From: Patrice L. Roussel Date: mercredi, 17. novembre 1999 18:18 Subject: Re: artoverview (long) >you seem to question the relevance of Arto sprinkling >some skronk here and there. I tend to disagree with that since I believe that >his playing has saved many songs from being totally boring. ... >How can you compare styles so dramatically opposed (Asian Bar Bands vs Golden >Palomonos/Lounge Lizards)? One is about controlled improv in a game piece >context, and the others are song-oriented. ... >I totally agree here: AGGREGATES 1-26 is *THE* Arto record to buy first! - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:41:52 -0800 From: Radio Khartoum Subject: Re: New Arto CD Talk about service! Many thanks for the rundown on Arto. Looks like I'm looking to investigate the most recent stuff first (I do have a few DNA tracks on Crepuscule's "Fruit of the Original Sin" comp from '81, btw). Patrice wrote: >And Katerine is on the last Kahimi Karie (K.K.K.K.K.)... I was wondering how >I could describe Karie's voice to a friend and I found it: half-way between >Jane Birkin and (her daughter) Charlotte Gainsbourg :-). I might have suggested a modern Claudine Longet with strep throat. ;) Katerine's on several of her other records as well. Speaking of Katerine, one of the CDs in the new set is supposed have the Recyclers backing him, if I got my facts straight. And apparently it's disgruntling a lot of his popkid fans. I've got to wait till New Years for my friends in Paris to bring it over. I'll remember to post something when that Kahimi record with Arto comes out next year, as I should have an inside line to a copy this time around... Cheers, Alexander Radio Khartoum http://www.radiokhartoum.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:35:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Katerine > Speaking of Katerine, one of the CDs in the new set > is supposed have the Recyclers backing him, if I got > my facts straight. And apparently it's disgruntling > a lot of his popkid fans. I've got to wait till > New Years for my friends in Paris to bring it over. I don't know whether the Recyclers back him up or not, but the disc is definitely a different thing for Katerine... Again, it's pretty dark, experimental and lo-fi. I can easily imagine it annoying fans of his previous work, but I think it's the best thing he's ever done. -Tom Pratt ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:11:38 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: artoverview (long) Personally I'm real fond of Arto's contributions on two quintessential NYC albums of the late '80s, 'Desire Develops an Edge' and 'Vertical's Currency' by Kip Hanrahan... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:00:28 +0100 From: "in.out" Subject: Tr: Katerine - ----- Message d'origine ----- De : Tom Pratt =C0 : Envoy=E9 : jeudi 18 novembre 1999 02:35 Objet : Re: Katerine > > Speaking of Katerine, one of the CDs in the new set > > is supposed have the Recyclers backing him, if I got > > my facts straight=2E And apparently it's disgruntling > > a lot of his popkid fans=2E I've got to wait till > > New Years for my friends in Paris to bring it over=2E > > I don't know whether the Recyclers back him up or not, > but the disc is definitely a different thing for > Katerine=2E=2E=2E Again, it's pretty dark, experimental and > lo-fi=2E I can easily imagine it annoying fans of his > previous work, but I think it's the best thing he's > ever done=2E > > -Tom Pratt > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions=2Eyahoo=2Ecom > Yes the reclyclers are backing him for sure, it means Steve arguelles, Christophe minck, Benoit Delbecq=2E Noel Akchot=E9 is not playing=2E And if you understand french, it's more funny than its previous records=2E= =2E=2E=2E delphine - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 14:40:08 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: ennio still haven't seen 'the legend of 1900.' sounds good to me, despite the reviews. i do, however, have a pretty nice newsday article about ennio morricone, that i will send out to anyone who wants it. i love his music, but have never read too much about him. write me privately and give me a coupla days (i'm taking a long weekend for the jump festival at neues kabarett at the brecht forum). kurt.gottschalk@scni.com np: comedian harmonists - - ------------------------------ Date: 18 Nov 99 17:48:18 EST From: Brian Price Subject: Middleheim, Blue Planet Man Hi. I'm just wondering about two things. First, what is the sound quality= like on the upcoming Masada album? I love Taipei, but the sound quality takes = a little while to get used to. Also, I loved John Patton before I knew of J= ohn Zorn and I love the album "The way I feel" with both Zorn and Patton. Wha= t's Blue Planet Man like? Input would be greatly appreciated. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:50:44 -0800 From: "wetboy" Subject: Re: Middleheim, Blue Planet Man - ----- Original Message ----- Hi. I'm just wondering about two things. First, what is the sound quality like on the upcoming Masada album? well if its anything like the copy i have from a bootleg mp3 its amazing, but i can't speak for the official release - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:01:36 EST From: Nervenet@aol.com Subject: Re: New Arto CD First, to the poster(s) who asked for a review of the CD, I'd call it his best since "Mundo Civilizado." Take into the equation though, that I consider "Mundo" to be one of the best CD's of the last 5-10 years, and that I think this one is almost as good. I love the off-kilter Brazilian/R&B/drum&bass/rock mixture he's working now and this one is yet more gold in that vein. Not as surprising as Mundo only because it came later and now the juxtapositions of, say, Al Green and drum & bass aren't so fresh, but great songwriting nonetheless, and certainly a livelier set than the mostly moody and quiet "Noon Chill." The factor that throw this one into sharper relief and separates it from the previous two is that he's playing a good amount of guitar here and integrating it into the mix as well - it doesn't sound like he stopped in the songwriting process and said "OK, how can I fit some skronk in here?" It just flows out naturally from the songs, which are also among the most electronic-based things he's released. So there's my five-minute review. Second, for the person who asked for a broader overview of Arto's work, I'd say that it's good to approach chronologically, although I know people who love his sambas and bossa novas but can't stand his guitar and vice versa. If you think that hearing someone scrape an untuned guitar to a bossa rhythm sounds great, dive right into one of the Ambitious Lovers albums. I favor Greed (1986), but Envy (1984) is great too, although tough to find (in my neck of the woods anyway). Lust (1990?) softens the approach a bit too much for me, although there are strong cuts. Before Ambitious Lovers, he was in DNA, which you can probably find most easily on a fairly well-recorded Avant release of a 1/2 hour live set from CBGB's circa 1980 (too lazy to check my numbers right now). After DNA, there was a good amount of work on Zorn releases (Cobra: Live and Studio, Locus Solus, others) which is likely to be up your alley if you're on this list. Mid-late 80's saw him doing some productions and guest appearances on albums, and that continued into the 90's, where he's done lots of productions for (especially, but not exclusively) Brazilian artists, most notably Caetano Veloso and Marisa Monte (oh yeah, and David Byrne, too). He's great behind the boards and has definitely turned me on to a lot of fantastic music this way. In 1995 he came out with "Aggregates 1-26," a noisy trio album in the vein of DNA, but with more than fifteen years of experience behind it. Dougie Bowne and Melvin Gibbs round out the trio. 1996 brought out "O Corpo Sutil (The Subtle Body)" which was a shockingly pretty and mellow collection of gentle songs, often in Portuguese, on which he didn't even play guitar. After the initial shock wore off, I grew to really like this record. Next year was Mundo Civilizado, whihc I referred to earlier. A great one, IMO. Since Mundo, he's been working variations on a theme, and I've enjoyed them all immensely. Feel free to email me off-list if you have other questions. Patrick M. Brown Nervenet@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:15:19 -0500 From: parry@macconnect.com Subject: Arto Lindsay Prize Gorgeous songs. The lyrics completely fascinate me and I find something new in the arrangements every time. I walk around listening to it through headphones and am transported. Don't ask me where, but wish I had some more albums that went there. Parry - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:10:46 +0100 From: patRice Subject: tony williams (beware: off topic!) hi y'all. i'm sure some of you guys and girls out there dig tony williams. i've only recently started listening to some miles davis stuff he plays on. (yes, almost unforgiveable since i'm a drummer myself...) anyway... any recommendations on essential tony williams releases? solo and/or as side-man. looking forward to your replies. patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:01:46 -0800 (PST) From: Theo Klaase Subject: Sonny Clark Memorial: Voodoo What a CD! I just got it yesterday. Horvitz's playing is really great on this one. How can you lose with a line up like Zorn, Previte, Horvitz, and Drummond!?! ===== - -That which is Theodorus... www.freeyellow.com/members7/theodorus/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:40:33 -0500 From: "ADM" Subject: Re: tony williams (beware: off topic!) Do yourself a favor and get Tony Williams Lifetime "Emergency!". It's John McLaughlin, Larry Young and Tony and its really awesome. This is easily some of John McLaughlin's finest jazz playing (no shredding wankery here!) ever recorded. Young does a good job and Tony Williams is always up front serving it up. The playing on this CD is so great. Its the only Lifetime CD I have and I have heard that not much else from Lifetime measures up (especially the stuff after John McLaughlin left). There is however a strong downpoint to this disc: on several songs, Williams decides to do some spoken word/poetry over some more minimal musical passages. BIG MISTAKE! Its pretty easy to agree that these parts of the CD are no good. You might even giggle the first time, but you'll learn to deal with it because some of the best parts come after those spoken passages. Anyway... I know I have some Blue Note stuff where he is a sideman, but no standouts are popping out at me at the moment. I'll make sure and get back to you on that stuff. In the meantime, get Emergency! - -Aaron - ----- Original Message ----- From: patRice To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 9:10 AM Subject: tony williams (beware: off topic!) > hi y'all. > > i'm sure some of you guys and girls out there dig tony williams. > > i've only recently started listening to some miles davis stuff he plays > on. (yes, almost unforgiveable since i'm a drummer myself...) > > anyway... > > any recommendations on essential tony williams releases? solo and/or as > side-man. > > looking forward to your replies. > > patRice > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:45:32 -0800 From: s~Z Subject: Paging Herb Levy Would Herb Levy please contact me at keithmar@jetlink.net Thanks. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:37:15 +0100 From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" Subject: Zorn's favourite ethnic recordings (long) Something mildly on topic I guess, I don't think this has been discussed here yet (if I'm wrong, at least I've practised my typing). The latest Resonance is (I guess) about world music and recordings from the perspective of free improvisation. Several improvising musicians were asked for their favourite ethnic recordings - including John Zorn (you know, John Zorn). His contribution follows below. I'd find it interesting to discuss the subject (relationships, common points, etc. beween "improv" and "ethnic" music) on the list. Maybe Zorn's choices are worth chatting about as well. Would anyone care to comment on these records? I only know of the "Taraf" and "pearl fishermen" recordings, and they would feature at the top of my list as well. Stephane Resonance 7/2, 1999 (p. 41) My Favourite Ethnic Recordings John Zorn For this list I have chosen mostly music from classic LPs and CDs that are still relatively available in some form or another. My prize collection is on 78rpm discs and concentrates on Japanese instrumental music from the Taisho period (1912-1925) featuring the early incorporation of western instruments such as accordion, guitar, slide guitar, celeste, organ, piano, xylophone and saxophone with shakuhachi, koto and shamisen. Artists include Wada Hajime, Kawamoto Haruku, Mikami Hidejoshi, Sakai Motoyuki and Kanda Joshi performing Japanese uninyo (folksongs) "hot" jazz covers and startling originals. These bizarre varieties may be impossible to find but they certainly top my list of favourite ethnic musics. In no particular order: TK Ramammoorthy: Fabulous Notes and Beats of the Indian Carnactic Jazz (EMI/Odeon vinyl). The San Lucas Band: Music of Guatemala (ABC Command vinyl, COMS-9001). Kim Sinh: The Art of Kim Sinh (World Music Library CD). Kim Dae Rae: Supreme (Nices CD). Taraf de Haidoukis (sic): Honourable Brigands, Magic Horses and Evil Eye (Cramworld CD, CRAW-13). Markos Vamvakaris: Rembetica in Piraeus Vol 1&2 (Heritage CD, HT-30). Markos Vamvakaris: Bouzouki Pioneer (Rounder CD). Flutes de Pan Melanesiennes: 'Are 'Are Vol 1-3 (Vogue vinyl). The LPs are out of print, but their recordist Hugo Zemp has issued three full-length CD's of the same repertoire, namely Solomon Islands: 'Are'are Intimate and Ritual Music (Chant du Monde 274-693, one disc plus 110-page booklet) and Solomon Islands: 'Are'are Panpipe Ensembles (Chant du Monde LDX-274-961.62, two discs plus 90-page booklet). Pearl Fishermen and Musicians of the Persian Gulf (Ocora vinyl). Nan-Kouan, ballads sung by Tsai Hsiao-Yueh, Vol. 1 (Ocora CD C-559004), Vols. 2 & 3 (C-560037/38), Vols. 4, 5 & 6 (C-560039/40/41). - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:09:14 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: more Stooges than you'll ever want If you haven't heard yet, Rhino Handmade is releasing a 7-CD box set of all recordings connected with the Stooges' "Funhouse": alternate takes, false starts, studio chatter, the works. Runs eight hours and doesn't even have the finished album included. They start taking orders on Monday so save those pennies! LT Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm Funhouse http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #794 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com