From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #821 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, January 4 2000 Volume 02 : Number 821 In this issue: - RE: the black glove Portsmouth Sinfonia Alvin Lucier in RealAudio Re: Kronos Re: Pain Killer Complete Studio Recordings Kronos Re: Kronos Re: help with NORWEGIAN WOOD Nat Adderly dies at 68 Kronos RE: Kronos Re: Amazon sine waves? nycgigs Shepic and the Commuters What is a tone poem? Re: sine waves? Re: sine waves? Re: sine waves? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 23:28:56 -0500 (EST) From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: RE: the black glove Robert Vanheumen and Benito Vergara: >> it's a beautiful film. great camera work. chock full of suspense, >> and, yeah, >> black leather, hot wax... but the atmosphere is killing. >> don't watch it on christmas eve with the whole family... >> so what's the URL of this mailorder site? > >It's at http://www.blowfish.com -- then click on the "videos" link. I'm >tempted to purchase the vid, but I should probably buy the Actually you should try http://www.bleuproductions.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 00:33:14 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: Portsmouth Sinfonia Hi, Does anybody have any Portsmouth Sinfonia albums that they'd be willing to tape for me? I've been looking for years with no luck finding any. Contact me offlist for info and what I've got to trade. LT Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm Funhouse http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 23:10:00 -0600 From: Herb Levy Subject: Alvin Lucier in RealAudio Lots of music by this old-time avant garde composer, including a recording by the oft-discussed (around here, at any rate) Willie Winant. Available all week at . The link to the archive will get you to the .ram file for last week's Harry Partch special. - -- Herb Levy NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 NEW PHONE: 817 377-2983 same old e-mail: herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:11:07 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: Kronos hi rob personally, i prefer the "older" stuff. "winter was hard" i enjoyed. also one, as far as i remember, called "short stories". the latter with compositions by zorn, e. sharp, and others. haven't listened to it for quite a while, but i think track 2 was mind-blowing. they have one cd out they did with some african musicians and composers; that one sucks big time imho. patRice Rob Allaert wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm getting ready for the music of the Kronos Quartet. Can some of you give > me some info on their catalogue and their styles. What albums are "must > haves"? > > Thanks, > > Rob, Belgium > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:14:06 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: Pain Killer Complete Studio Recordings hi neil be very careful with the track listings on amazon e.g.! i ordered a copy of the residents' "commercial album" with ten extra tracks; i knew the cd is available, amazon had those extra tracks listed - - but i got the other issue; the one w/o those extra tracks.=20 =20 as far as i know, there is only one version of "painkiller complete studio recordings" out. why not check the tzadik site? hope this helps. patRice Neil H. Enet wrote: >=20 > Hello to all and happy new year. > I was browsing in several CD internet shops (Amazon, CDNOW, Borders, > etc.) and there were=A0different listings of the tracks in the PAIN > KILLER Complete Studio Recordings Box Set.=A0 For example, some feature > the Marianne track and some don't.=A0=A0So, are there different version= s > or can I go ahead and buy the cheapest? :-) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:40:56 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Risser Subject: Kronos To start with Kronos, I would suggest your first purchase be Winter Was Hard. This has shorter pieces by numerous composers, including the classic by Zorn, Forbidden Fruit. Also great pieces by Bartok, Webern, Arvo Part, Terry Riley, Samuel Barber and I think Piazzolla among others. After that, I'd suggest Black Angels and White Man Sleeps as the next top two. Also I really like Five Tangos with Astor Piazzolla. After that, you're on your own. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 10:41:33 -0500 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Kronos patRice wrote: > they have one cd > out they did with some african musicians and composers; that one sucks > big time imho. Just to offer an alternative opinion, I think "Pieces of Africa", the album in question, is superb. Granted, the pieces are far more melodic and rhythmic than much of the rest of Kronos' repertoire and I could imagine some finding them "world musicky", but I hear them as joyful, gorgeous compositions. The Kevin Volans work especially. Brian Olewnick NP: Ornette, "New York Is Now" - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:03:58 -0600 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: help with NORWEGIAN WOOD Hi folks, I was surprised to see Patrice's request when I got the Zorn digest, cause I've just completed a Mappings show that'll go online next week, including some of Aki Takahashi's commissioned arrangements of Beatles songs, Guy Klucevsek's commissioned polkas and Yvar Mikhashoff's commissioned tangos. It's about thirty tracks in all. Aki Takahashi commissioned more than forty composers to do arrangements and/or works inspired by Beatles songs. Her aim was to have at least one composer from every country in which there are contemporary composers working. I have 2 of the 3 CDs she recorded of these works. The list of composers Patrice cites for Norwegian Wood is incorrect. This MAY be the list of composers on Hyper-Beatles 2, though Curran & Klucevsek have works on Hyper-Beatles & Norwegian Wood, respectively - - so this could be a list of works performed at a particular concert. I've never seen Hyper-Beatles 2 (& if anyone has any leads in getting a copy, I'd really appreciate it) so I'm not sure. Only one of the CDs was released in the States: Hyper-Beatles, the disc that Anomalous has in stock & the composer list is correct there. The Cage piece is a chance-derived collage of excerpts from the piano music collection entitled The Beatles 1962-1970, which is also the name of Cage's composition, it's written for eight pianos & Takahashi overdubs all the parts. The Rzewski is called "Short Fantasy on 'Give Peace a Chance'" and it's similar to many of his solo piano works. The third CD, Norwegian Wood, includes Guy Klucevsek's Monk's Intermezzo, which is what I assume drew Patrice's active attention, as it wasn't previously included in his discography of Klucevsek's work. (Sorry Patrice, I've had the CD for years & forgot about it when I sent you other Klucevsek references before.) This CD also includes an arrangement by Lois V Vierk, whose Tzadik disc still hasn't been released, and works by Michael Finnissy, Jaroslaw Kapuscinski, John King, Bunita Marcus, Akemi Naito, Akira Nashimura, Shigeki Saegusa, Kevin Volans, Christian Wolff, and Joji Yuasa. Bests, Herb - -- Herb Levy NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 NEW PHONE: 817 377-2983 same old e-mail: herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 11:30:15 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Nat Adderly dies at 68 By The Associated Press Nat Adderly LAKELAND, Fla. (AP) - Nat Adderley, a member of the Jazz Hall of Fame who played on nearly 100 albums, died on Sunday of complications from diabetes. He was 68. Inducted into the Hall of Fame in Kansas City in 1997, the Florida-born cornetist first came to prominence with his older brother, bebop saxophonist Julian "Cannonball" Adderley, in the 1950s. The composer of such jazz standards as "Work Song" and "Jive Samba," Nat Adderley was known for recordings by his own group and with his late brother's Cannonball Adderley Quintet. Since Cannonball's death in 1975, Nat had led his own quintets. His most notable sidemen were altoists Sonny Fortune and Vincent Herring. In 1997, he joined the faculty of Florida Southern College as artist in residence. He had also headlined and hosted the school's annual "Child of the Sun Jazz Festival" for more than 10 years. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:03:16 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= Subject: Kronos Iīve heard a few times now that Black Angels is probably their best recording-piece-whatever. I have Pieces of Africa, I got an used copy about a year ago for about 4 bucks. Itīs not bad, but itīs African music, an acquired taste which is not entirely of my liking. But it has its moments for sure. A __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:26:08 -0300 From: Linares Hugo Subject: RE: Kronos > patRice wrote: > > they have one cd > > out they did with some african musicians and composers; that one sucks > > big time imho. > Brian Olewnick wrote: > Just to offer an alternative opinion, I think "Pieces of Africa", the > album in question, is superb. Granted, the pieces are far more melodic > and rhythmic than much of the rest of Kronos' repertoire and I could > imagine some finding them "world musicky", but I hear them as joyful, > gorgeous compositions. The Kevin Volans work especially. > [Linares Hugo] Seconded. "Pieces of Africa" is outstanding. Don't miss it! Hugo - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:35:57 EST From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Amazon - --part1_0.56d95763.25a2622d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << In a message dated 1/3/00 10:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, gda@datacomm.ch writes: << be very careful with the track listings on amazon e.g.! >> Speaking of which, has anyone ordered from W3CD.com? What is the order fill rate and shipping time like? I'd appreciate any feedback about them. Thanks! Dale. >> - --part1_0.56d95763.25a2622d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (rly-yd03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.3]) by air-yd05.mail.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:13:34 -0500 Received: from netcom.com (netcom9.netcom.com [199.183.9.109]) by rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:13:25 -0500 Received: (from rizzi@localhost) by netcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28439 for TagYrIt@aol.com; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:13:09 -0800 (PST) From: "m. rizzi" Message-Id: <200001032013.MAA28439@netcom.com> Subject: Re: Amazon To: TagYrIt@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:13:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0.7b404401.25a21d09@aol.com> from "TagYrIt@aol.com" at Jan 03, 2000 10:40:57 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This message did not go to the members of the zorn-list because it was sent to the address owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com instead of zorn-list@lists.xmission.com where messages sent to fellow list members should be addressed. You may want to resend your original message. Thanks, mike rizzi zorn-list owner In a message dated 1/3/00 10:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, gda@datacomm.ch writes: << be very careful with the track listings on amazon e.g.! >> Speaking of which, has anyone ordered from W3CD.com? What is the order fill rate and shipping time like? I'd appreciate any feedback about them. Thanks! Dale. - --part1_0.56d95763.25a2622d_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:17:31 -0600 From: "Joslyn Layne" Subject: sine waves? hello everybody~ i'm wondering if someone can please help me understand the sine wave element of music that has arisen fairly recently. i'm listening to otomo yoshihide's latest tzadik release, 'cathode,' and cannot bear the frequencies at some points of it. in addition, i saw yoshihide's group, i.s.o., at victoriaville last year-- it was certainly an overwhelming introduction to sine wave generators and frequency exploration. apparently, my ears are extra sensitive. i simply cannot listen to some of these frequencies. it's like the magnified whine of a thousand computer monitors taken higher and higher; it strikes me as some kind of endurance test of pain. as fascinating as i.s.o. was, and although i had excellent earplugs, the frequencies made me want to scream and i had to walk out. and i was pretty much the only one who did so. so obviously most people do not seem to experience sine waves this negatively. yet i don't know anyone who listens to sound experimentation, so i'm asking you folk: - -how does it sound to you? - -what is this area/new movement of frequency exploration all about? i appreciate any feedback/information you can offer.. joslyn - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:31:51 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: nycgigs to the person looking for upcoming gigs in nyc -- or anyone interested, for that matter -- the best listings i know of can be found at . better than any of the local print media. have a good trip. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:09:13 -0600 From: King Wilson Subject: Shepic and the Commuters Brad Shepic and the Commuters are playing Chicago soon. Does anyone know exactly who makes up the Commuters? read icculus - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:15:58 -0800 From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com Subject: What is a tone poem? Will someone explain to me exactly what is a tone poem? How, for instance, is it different from a ballad? I have a vague sort of notion that a tone poem is a series of melodic notes unbroken by phrases, but I realize I have no clear and certain understanding. Thanks. Martin - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:06:36 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: sine waves? In a message dated 1/3/00 4:15:37 PM, joslay@allmusic.com writes: << so obviously most people do not seem to experience sine waves this negatively. yet i don't know anyone who listens to sound experimentation, so i'm asking you folk: - -how does it sound to you? - -what is this area/new movement of frequency exploration all about? >> hmmm, I'm not really sure how to answer this but I feel like I should try, especially because no one else has. I find sine waves (if they're used well, i.e. Ikeda's +/-, the ISO record on Alcohol, Cathode) quite pleasurable. I feel like they open up my ears to a wider range of sounds and make them more sensitive to detail. if they're used poorly or nonmusically (i.e. the Filament CD on Extreme), they're quite annoying, but so is any bad music. I'm not quite sure how much else I can add, except that music that I can't listen to without starting to feel sick tends to be show tunes or other mainstream music (not all mainstream music, just the most insipid stuff). part of it, for me anyway, is conditioning your ears, but I'm sure part of it, maybe all of it for you, is a physical reaction that is out of your control. unfortunately for you, I think this sine wave aesthetic is going to seep more and more into different styles of music as this new decade progresses. but I'm sure it'll never be hard to find sine-wave-free records, so just stick to those. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:40:07 -0500 From: eric ong Subject: Re: sine waves? <<-what is this area/new movement of frequency exploration all about? >> > >hmmm, I'm not really sure how to answer this but I feel like I should try, >especially because no one else has. > >I find sine waves (if they're used well, i.e. Ikeda's +/-, the ISO record on >Alcohol, Cathode) quite pleasurable. I feel like they open up my ears to a >wider range of sounds and make them more sensitive to detail. if they're used >poorly or nonmusically (i.e. the Filament CD on Extreme), they're quite >annoying, but so is any bad music. [eo]: well, i think some of it has to do with making music that is not acculturated (yet). i've never actually heard Sachiko M's "memory-free" sampler, but i find the whole concept kind of intriguing. one must admit that there's a certain purity in sine wave music that frees it from associations, which even hardcore minimalism like Noto can't achieve -- the specter of techno is almost always looming in the background. along these lines, i think a composer of a record like cathode seems to be trying to re-contextualize by using the sine wave as a ground zero (no pun intended?), where one can/has to breathe some fresh air into the matter at hand. i realize many will view cathode as otomo's attempt to shoot these acoustic instruments into the future -- through some kind of clash? -- but to do so he first has to loosen them from their base. i probably should have begun with the disclaimer that i didn't really have anything interesting to say in this post. :-) please pardon, it's 4:30 a.m. right now. happy new year all eric - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 06:46:01 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: sine waves? At 04:17 PM 1/3/00 -0600, Joslyn Layne wrote: > >-what is this area/new movement of frequency exploration all about? Sine waves have long been considered a valid starting point for sonic exploration because the sine wave is considered to be the 'purest' waveform. Stockhausen used sine waves in his earliest electronic pieces (in the early 1950s) for this reason, considering that he would only use more complex sounds after he had mastered the simple ones. In practice, I don't think it panned out for Stockhausen. I've never actually heard the two studies he did with sine waves, but KS considered them a failure because he found himself unable to compose sufficiently 'interesting' pieces (although this may address more the available technology in 1950). The motivation of the contemporary sine wave composers may be similar with respect to the purity of the sine wave. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more than one way to conquer a country. - -- Raymond Chandler - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #821 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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