From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #825 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, January 8 2000 Volume 02 : Number 825 In this issue: - Re: more Bailey Recs Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects Re: Residents Commecial Album Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects re: sine waves Re: Re: more Bailey Recs Re: Re: more Bailey Recs Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects curious Re: curious Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects 99 lists? (plus merzbow, and evan parker) Masada in Europe II Naked Lunch Re: 99 lists (call for reviews) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 01:17:50 -0500 From: eric ong Subject: Re: more Bailey Recs hrm, hello >I don't think too highly of 'Wireforks' myself (it's >actually the only Bailey disc I've sold off - though, >I never bought 'Sign Of Four'). I just don't think >Bailey works well with other guitarists at all. He >doesn't alter his style too much when he collaborates, >and it seems to force the other guitarist to imitate >him. In my opinion, this makes for annoying music. altho the last track off "wireforks" is definitely incendiary, i'm with tom here in finding it to be rather underwhelming. derek bailey's guitar duet with noel akchote on the "close to the kitchen" elpee off rectangle flashes moments of brilliance, but i don't find myself listening to it very often. akchote alternates between playing a lot of bass-y stuff, dismantling guitar sounds, and over-the-top van halen. the imitation element that tom mentioned doesn't really show here, but bailey hardly ever does anything spectacular with what akchote gives him. or, in other words, he doesn't alter his style all that much (as pointed out above). the recording has a nice greasy-club feel tho. eric - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 02:06:30 -0500 From: Nils Subject: Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects At 11:52 AM 1/6/00, Neil H. Enet wrote: > I need recommendations for Trip Hop or Drum & Bass (or any >electronic Dance >genre)projects that any Jazz/Avant Garde artist has done. I know of the >Derek Bailey/Dj Ninj collaboration "Guitars, Drums and Bass", and I have the >Medeski Martin & Wood Remix EP "Bubblehouse" where Zorn plays, but that's >basically it. If anyone can help me, I'd be very glad. very little actual overlap between jazz and electronics, outside the realm of 'electro-acoustic' jazz or whatever you want to call it. i would highly recommmmend the new briggan krauss on KF called 'descending to end.' it's processed saxophone and other bits of mutant noise. not much of a beat. light-years from d&b, but compelling. very progressive. elliot sharp has done some interesting stuff over the years. you might check out his tectonics material (latest cd 'errata' also on KF), which is him performing on guitar and sax over an atmospheric almost d&bassy kind of background. lots of square waves so consider yourself warned. a second on the grassy knoll 'iii' record: certainly the best of the series and eskelin's contributions are very nice. a lot of experimental electronica has a jazzy edge without necessarily incorporating jazz musicians or obvious improvisation. but digital performance has come into the 'live' arena so a lot of studio performances can be considered improvisation. along these lines it's worthwhile to check out amon tobin (or his former alias cujo) who incorporates jazz elements into a d&b format. the cujo record (his first) is the one to get. also talvin singh, who has a very authentic indian sound but also at times quite jazzy. the big three, if you want purist experimental electronica, are squarepusher (pre-'rotted'), bisk, and autechre. the first two have actual jazz elements. the third simply represents the electronica of the future. avoid squarepusher from 'rotted' on; it's dreck. as for trip hop, there's some improvisation on lamb 'fear of fours' and portishead can sound very jazzy at times. tricky 'maxinquaye' the *only* one worth considering from him. my $0.02. n - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:05:16 EST From: Nervenet@aol.com Subject: Re: Residents Commecial Album As Patrice listed, the initial East Side Digital release had 10 bonus tracks, but ESD has seen fit to remaster and reissue all the Residents albums, stripping them of their bonus tracks in the process. You can probably turn up the commercial album used without too great a strain, and some of the tracks are still out there on other releases. At least 6 of the 10 are available on their album "Residue of the Residents" which has been updates by ESD as "Residue Deux" with more cuts than the original LP. The version of "Shut Up Shut Up" on the Commercial Album CD is inferior to the orignial vinyl release. Don't know if "Deux" has the original or the one sans vocal. There is a short track "Theme for an American TV Show" which is nice, but not essential, certainly bettered by many of the cuts on the actual album, and there are three covers - The Ramones' "We're A Happy Family" which is fun, James Brown's "This Is A Man's Man's Man's World" which is great, and Ray Charles' "Hit the Road Jack," also great. These latter two may be available as singles from tectones. Check the residents website (www.residents.com) for more info. Patrick Brown Nervenet@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:55:00 +0100 From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects > I need recommendations for Trip Hop or Drum & Bass (or any >electronic Dance >genre)projects that any Jazz/Avant Garde artist has done. Pat Thomas, _New Jazz Jungle: Remembering_ Ponga, _S/T_ (w/Wayne Horvitz & Bobby Previte) (Loosegroove) - also highly recommended is the remix CD, simply called _Ponga Remixes_ (Loosegroove), and including an Amos Tobin remix. Does Buckethead qualify as a "jazz/avantgarde" artist? Then why not _Day of the Robot_, with heavy DJ Ninj input. Stephen - ------------------------------------- - ------------------------ Mohammad Fazlhashemi =46D, docent Ume=E5 universitet Institutionen f=F6r historiska studier 901 87 Ume=E5 Tel 090 7869689 =46ax 090 143374 - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:18:35 -0600 From: "Joslyn Layne" Subject: re: sine waves Thanks to all for helping bring a little understanding my way... in response to a few folks' notes: - -Yes, my response to sine waves is a physical [-triggering-strong-emotional] reaction that i cannot rationalize away. i purely Hate hearing some of those frequencies. go figure. - -I was, indeed, into the i.s.o. show.. i couldn't believe the drummer's set up. - -Thanks for the 'difference' and 'summation' tones clarifier- but there's no cause to fight! - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 11:06:06 -0500 From: ssmith36@sprynet.com Subject: Re: Re: more Bailey Recs Tom Pratt wrote: > --- Steve Smith wrote: > > Okay, here's another hare-brained thread: If you > could put Bailey into a playing/recording situation > with absolutely anybody, who would it be? Le Quan Ninh. YES! Agreed. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:13:37 -0500 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: more Bailey Recs >Re: Kaiser being a dickhead... From my admittedly >limited experience with him, he's actually been a very >nice and generous guy. He was very informative and Without going into details I once experienced what people are probably referring to, but when Henry found out that it was a legitimate misunderstanding between us and a well-meaning publicist he was very apologetic and even sent sent some taped concerts as a peace offering. (The punch line was that the two resulting articles were later canned almost simulataneously by the magazines involved.) LT - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:53:23 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron D Meyers Subject: Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects > the big three, if you want purist experimental electronica, are > squarepusher (pre-'rotted'), bisk, and autechre. the first two have > actual jazz elements. the third simply represents the electronica of > the future. avoid squarepusher from 'rotted' on; it's dreck. I would have to completely disagree with this last statement. There are a lot of nay-sayers when it comes to the latest Squarepusher stuff, but while I really love the older stuff, Music is Rotted One Note is a truly amazing album covering very fresh territory. Admittedly, it took me a bit to get into, but the new Squarepusher era can hardly be written off as "dreck". I'll second the Cujo/Amon Tobin reccomendation, but the real magnum opus of his is Permutation. I love the Cujo disc, but Permutation is very evolved and complex in places where the Cujo disc was a bit lacking. In this area of Jazz-inflected electronic music, also worth checking out is the Cinematic Orchestra (cut-up jazz noir orchestral sound with live musicians), Clifford Gilberto (jazzed up DnB with a cartoonish edge?), Red Snapper (live band DnB, etc.), and also check out Isotope 217 for sure. In regards to downtowners doing DnB/Trip Hop, Ponga is worth checking out. Dave Douglas' Sanctuary CD occasionally has a Trip Hop feel to it... sorta. Thats about all I can think of at the moment that is actually recorded. If you are in NYC, check out the amazing live Drum and Bass stylings of drummer Jo Jo Mayer. - -Aaron - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:54:42 EST From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com Subject: curious is the steve smith that frequents this list the same steve smith, assistant conductor of the cleveland orchestra? joseph - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 19:30:53 -0500 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: curious XRedbirdxx@aol.com wrote: > > is the steve smith that frequents this list the same steve smith, assistant > conductor of the cleveland orchestra? Yeah, his orchestration of "Starless and Bible Black" is killer! ;-) Brian Olewnick (Sorry, Steve, couldn't help myself...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:28:53 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects In a message dated Fri, 7 Jan 2000 4:54:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Aaron D Meyers writes: > > > the big three, if you want purist experimental electronica, are > > squarepusher (pre-'rotted'), bisk, and autechre. the first two have > > actual jazz elements. the third simply represents the electronica of > > the future. avoid squarepusher from 'rotted' on; it's dreck. > > I would have to completely disagree with this last statement. There are a > lot of nay-sayers when it comes to the latest Squarepusher stuff, but > while I really love the older stuff, Music is Rotted One Note is a truly > amazing album covering very fresh territory. Admittedly, it took me a bit > to get into, but the new Squarepusher era can hardly be written off as > "dreck". > > I'll second the Cujo/Amon Tobin reccomendation, but the real magnum opus > of his is Permutation. I love the Cujo disc, but Permutation is very > evolved and complex in places where the Cujo disc was a bit lacking. > > In this area of Jazz-inflected electronic music, also worth checking out > is the Cinematic Orchestra (cut-up jazz noir orchestral sound with live > musicians), Clifford Gilberto (jazzed up DnB with a cartoonish edge?), Red > Snapper (live band DnB, etc.), and also check out Isotope 217 for sure. > > In regards to downtowners doing DnB/Trip Hop, Ponga is worth checking > out. Dave Douglas' Sanctuary CD occasionally has a Trip Hop feel to > it... sorta. Thats about all I can think of at the moment that is > actually recorded. If you are in NYC, check out the amazing live Drum and > Bass stylings of drummer Jo Jo Mayer. > > -Aaron > Have to "me too" Aaron's statement. If you're one to limit your electronica scope to the drifty/bleepy stuff, then sorry 'bout that- you're missing out. Squarepusher has avoided the redundancy one finds in much of the ambient/electronic/d'n'b world these days. I wish others would reach out and explore like Jenkinson and the others mentioned above... =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 09:09:19 GMT From: "Scott Handley" Subject: 99 lists? (plus merzbow, and evan parker) 1. Is it me, or has the list given up its exhibitionist acquisitiveness? One of its most endearing qualities, IMHO. I barely bought anything this year. Dammit. ARe ya'll cooking up insane best of year/decade fave lists? Please say so. I need the zorn-list alternative to the requisite JAZZIZ, downbeat, JAZZTIMES lists. We listen to (virtually) _everything_! And _blow_ the O.T. taboo: what's everybody been reading and watching this year/decade? From the material, to the conceptual, to the material! 2. I've had my eye on a few Merzbow discs. I've received rec's a couple times, but no mention of two Alien 8 releases: AQUA NECROMANCER (an apparently prog-derived, "rhythmic" departure) and DOOR OPENS AT 8PM (MA's tribute to "free jazz"---huh?). I guess I was also looking at the Rainbow Electronics 2 and a few others. I found PULSE DEMON a hair too extreme for me, but then again I didn't listen to it longer than 5 min at a time. I realize Merz might not be approachable like this. 3. How is the new Evan Parker w/ Ghost in the Machine? (I loved the first.) How is the new Schlippenbach? Has anyone heard the Cecil Taylor quartet record with Evan Parker? What's Parker up to? Thanks all, happy new year and all, Scott ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:09:09 +0100 From: otto.siegfried@t-online.de (otto) Subject: Masada in Europe II http://www.ejn.it/saudades/concerts.htm says: MASADA February 2000 tour: 11.02.00 FIRENZE/Italy 12.02.00 BERGAMO/Italy Best, Siegfried - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:37:35 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= Subject: Naked Lunch > NP: Howard Shore/Ornette--soundtrack to 'Naked Lunch'--Brilliant!!! Agreed wholeheartedly. - ------ Yeah! That soundtrack was just pure genius...too bad the movie was that bad, I liked the book a LOT better, and I didnīt even like it that much! That was a boring movie, but the cockroach typewriter part was quite good! A __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: 08 Jan 2000 21:16:10 -0600 From: Ben Axelrad Subject: Re: 99 lists (call for reviews) Here's a list of the best I bought/saw/read in 1999. Most of these were released pre-99. I feel that there's so much good stuff out there that it's way too difficult (and expensive and time consuming) to stay current. CDs 1. Burkhard Stangl -- Recital. Absolutely beautiful. I also picked up Oskar Aichinger "Poemia" and Gal "Bestimmung." Both are also very good. Can anyone recommend other Durian releases? 2. Steve Lacy -- The Cry. I enjoyed this a lot live and even more on cd. Took me a while to adjust to the harpischord though. The Juan Miro Foundation concert is also very good with intense versions of "Train Going By" and "Art" and the very nice "Como e Trieste Venezia." 3. Franz Koglmann -- Schlaf Schlemmer, Schlaf Magritte. The title track alone is worth the price. Has anyone heard the new one on Between the Lines? 4. Rudiger Carl -- Book/Virtual COWWS. I love the track with Lol Coxhill's "inspired" singing and the extremely disinterested audience. 5. Supersilent 1-3. 6. Frode Gjerstad 4tet -- Through the Woods. 7. Radio Tarifa -- Rumba Argelina. A mix of Spanish and N. African music. 8. Outkast -- ATLiens. Easily one of the best rap albums of the 90s. 9. Alim Qasimov -- Azerbaidjan: L'art du Mugham. 10. Runzelstirn & Gurgelstock -- Morx und Kotschlag. The title is a variation on a German expression "Murder and Bloodshed", and it pretty much describes the music. 11. Erik Satie -- Piano Works. One of those Naxos $4.99 discs. The first Gymnopedie is one of the most incredible things I've ever heard. Movies 1. Eternity and a Day (Theo Angelopoulos). A man (Bruno Ganz) dying of cancer befriends an Albanian refuge, remembers his past. A meditation on man's relation to history and the state of radical politics. Poetic and beautifully choreographed. The soundtrack is also very good. 2. The Matchbook Factory Girl (Aki Kaurismaki). Very bleak movie about a poor factory worker who supports her unappreciative mother and stepfather. The director also made "La Vie de Boheme" which is very good, and "Leningrad Cowboys..." which is amusing but not great. Maati Pelonpaa (sp?) from "Night on Earth" is in the last two, and Jim Jarmusch has a cameo in "LC..." 3. Cyclo -- By the same director as the "Scent of Green Papaya." I can't really explain what this is about. 4. New Dawn (Emilie Deleuze) -- A video game tester quits his job to drive a construction vehicles (bulldozer, etc.). I think the director is Gilles Deleuze's daughter. 5. Rushmore 6. Anything by Fassbinder -- "The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant," "Effi Briest," "In a Year of 13 Moons," and "Beware of a Holy Whore" are my favorites. I would avoid "Gods of the Plague" and "Chinese Roulette." "Fox and His Friends" is very long and drawn out, but the extent to which Fassbinder makes his character suffer is almost amusing. Books 1. Extinction -- Thomas Bernhard. A man who hates his family returns to the family estate in Austria for the funeral of his parents. Extremely bitter and funny. All of his books are similar and worth checking out. 2. Social Security: The Phony Crisis -- Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot. Two economists go through the economic, demographic, and actuarial data and conclude that there is pretty much no reason for social security reform, which shows how much those who stand to benefit from privatization have influenced the media and politicians. They also discuss increasing trends in wage inequality and the need for universal health coverage. Dean Baker writes the weekly economic reporting review for Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting. www.fair.org. 3. Portnoy's Complaint -- Philip Roth. Easily the funniest book I've ever read. Looking forward to other lists. Ben ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: 99 lists? (plus merzbow, and evan parker) Author: c123018@hotmail.com at Internet-USA Date: 1/8/00 3:10 AM 1. Is it me, or has the list given up its exhibitionist acquisitiveness? One of its most endearing qualities, IMHO. I barely bought anything this year. Dammit. ARe ya'll cooking up insane best of year/decade fave lists? Please say so. I need the zorn-list alternative to the requisite JAZZIZ, downbeat, JAZZTIMES lists. We listen to (virtually) _everything_! And _blow_ the O.T. taboo: what's everybody been reading and watching this year/decade? From the material, to the conceptual, to the material! - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #825 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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