From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #827 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, January 10 2000 Volume 02 : Number 827 In this issue: - Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects Re: more Bailey Recs Re: d'n'b recs (fwd) Re: 99 lists (call for reviews) Re: trip hop / drum and bass Re: curious re: Speaking of Frisell (was Bailey) Re: Speaking of Frisell New Music polkas, tangos, & Beatles songs in RealAudio tour dates? re: cEvin key (was: electronica recs or something...) re: Speaking of Frisell (was Bailey) re: cEvin key (was: electronica recs or something...) best of 99 triphop dr+bs Re: Re(2): more Bailey Recs best of 99 Re: triphop dr+bs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 23:54:57 +0100 From: Shlomo Weintraub Subject: Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects - --------------B8B7C9C76DD0B06DEBBED8B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen.baynet.de id XAA13928 > Hell007, Herbie Hancock's "Sextant" is an really Interesting Album with some stran= ge synthesizer work; This album inspired me me a lot. I think it's well wort= h checking out. There is an Austrian "Big Band" called Orchester 33 1/3. Their first albu= m features a mixture of Drum and Bass, Free Jazz, 50ies "ganster style" hor= n arrangments and some Dub elements. Peter Pr=F6tzmann plays some great avandgardistiqoueeeeeee tenor sax on that album. The newest Squarepusher album "Selection Sixteen" is really great. A ques= tion to all the people out there, what do you think of 4 hero's two pages? bye Shlomo - --------------B8B7C9C76DD0B06DEBBED8B1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hell007,
Herbie Hancock's "Sextant" is an really Interesting Album with some strange synthesizer work; This album inspired me me a lot. I think it's well worth checking out.
There is an Austrian "Big Band" called Orchester 33 1/3. Their first album features a mixture of Drum and Bass, Free Jazz, 50ies "ganster style" horn arrangments and some Dub elements. Peter Prötzmann plays some great avandgardistiqoueeeeeee tenor sax on that album.
The newest Squarepusher album "Selection Sixteen" is really great. A question to all the people out there, what do you think of 4 hero's two pages?

bye Shlomo
  - --------------B8B7C9C76DD0B06DEBBED8B1-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 17:59:14 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: more Bailey Recs Matthew Ross Davis wrote: > > Okay, here's another hare-brained thread: If you > > could put Bailey into a playing/recording situation > > with absolutely anybody, who would it be? > > Ikue Mori Yes. > or Bill Frisell. Maybe once upon a time. But lately Frisell's just not doing it for me in the avant/improv context. He's well and truly become the guitarist equivalent of Garrison Keillor. Of course, I'm willing to have his forthcoming solo guitar CD on Nonesuch prove me dead wrong. That's due out this month or next, I forget which. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - King Crimson, "Krim 3," 'The VROOOM Sessions' - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:00:54 -0500 From: Nils Subject: Re: d'n'b recs Whit Schonbein wrote: > > > At 11:52 AM 1/6/00, Neil H. Enet wrote: > > > avoid squarepusher from 'rotted' on; it's dreck. > > i second the reccommendation for pre-'rotted' squarepusher; not sure > i'd call it jazzy in the sense that tom jenkinson fancies himself as sort of a slowed down jaco pastorius, i suppose it could be. on the newer recordings he indulges that pastorius thing at greater speeds, cultivating the improvisational edge, as it were. and whit: just a little more care with attributions. neil enet said nothing of that kind. it was just me tossing out a little bait. > the aforementioned people who enjoy > the 'rotted' squarepusher also have expressed an appreciation for the > grassy knoll 'iii', but i still haven't gotten much milage out of that > one. i would say that's for deep purple fans, mostly. (only halfway kidding.) deep purple "made in japan" is the grassy knoll guy's favorite record. the beats on GN records tend toward the rock side of things. Matthew Ross Davis wrote: > Above anything it shows that he's an awesome > musician - some of the bass work even reminds me of Laswell's Invisible > Design. (not me, but anyway...) ID imho is one of laswell's very worst records in recorded history. directionless, unfocused, and murky to the hilt. imho. > My only hold-up about Amon Tobin is that it's not so "avant" in either > electronica OR jazz. absolutely. it's just good fun, i think, mostly. though no one was doing much of his kind of thing when he started doing it. try bisk if you want something edgier. i have the feeling there will soon be a lot of bisk imitators out there. up to $0.08 already, nils - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:51:42 -0500 From: eric ong Subject: (fwd) Re: 99 lists (call for reviews) I think this was meant for the list. >Return-Path: >From: Velaires@aol.com >Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:27:21 EST >Subject: Re: 99 lists (call for reviews) >To: eso200@is5.nyu.edu > >My favorite record of the year was either Myra Melford's ABOVE BLUE (one of the better records so far in which to hear Chris Speed) or, strangely enough, THE GRASS IS BLUE, which was Dolly Parton's offering this year. The clarity of the improvising (and the flexibility of her singing when with great improvisors) was really amazing. I know country music might not be the preferred province of the list, but it often pays to keep an open mind as to how any music can have some really exciting moments in it. > >skip h > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:07:55 EST From: JKlein2373@aol.com Subject: Re: trip hop / drum and bass I highly recommend techno pioneer Carl Craig. A recent compilation, "Geology: A Subjective History of Planet E" collects much of his most interesting work, including the classic "Bug In The Bassbin" by Innerzone Orchestra (FWIW, thought by many to be the first drum and bass salvo). Innerzone Orchestra released its own excellent album this year, a novel fusion of jazz and techno that features one of Sun Ra's percussionists (among other guests). I'll second (third?) the Amon Tobin recommendation, too, and I can't praise Autechre enough. Josh - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:59:55 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: curious Brian Olewnick wrote: > XRedbirdxx@aol.com wrote: > > > > is the steve smith that frequents this list the same steve smith, assistant > > conductor of the cleveland orchestra? > > Yeah, his orchestration of "Starless and Bible Black" is killer! Ha! LOL! Yeah, that's the right answer. No, I'm not the Steve Smith of the Cleveland Orchestra (though I wouldn't mind conducting America's best orchestra in "Starless and Bible Black" or anything else, for that matter...) Nor am I the Steve Smith of Vital Information/Journey fame/infamy (though I occasionally receive e-mail meant for him). Not even the Steve Smith of the Atlanta Hawks/Portland Trailblazers (though I'd enjoy his income for a year or so...). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - ProjeKct Three, "Masque Part 8," 'Masque (King Crimson, 'The ProjeKcts' V3)' - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:28:23 -0800 From: "s~Z" Subject: re: Speaking of Frisell (was Bailey) Maybe once upon a time. But lately Frisell's just not doing it for me in the avant/improv context. He's well and truly become the guitarist equivalent of Garrison Keillor. Steve Smith NP - King Crimson, "Krim 3," 'The VROOOM Sessions' And what has Fripp become? God, I was thinking the same thing about Frisell earlier in the week. Found an old cassette copy of 'Theoretically' and was reminded to buy the CD re-issue. Which got me remembering Frisell playing 'At My Place' with Driscoll, Baron, and Roberts. Remains one of the finest evenings of music I've experienced. He only sounded like Keillor during between-song banter. Don't feel much pull to catch him at his rather frequent appearances at McCabes in that same coastal town. But he is such a nice man with such exquisite chops. I actually feel the same way about Charlie Haden. A couple of decades ago catching him numerous times with Old & New Dreams, and with the Liberation Orchestra. How can they go from experiencing that music and enjoy what they are playing now. There must be a good answer to this question. These are such fine musicians. Is there anyone out there who was stoked as hell by Frisell's earlier stuff in an improv context, and remains just as on fire for what he is doing now? s~Z np: 'Futurism & Dada Reviewed" (Compilation) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:31:46 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Speaking of Frisell > Is there anyone out there who was > stoked as hell by Frisell's earlier stuff in an improv context, and remains > just as on fire for what he is doing now? I'm a relatively new fan of Frisell... someone bought me Nashville when it came out, and even though it's not his greatest recording ever, I still liked it and started looking for his other stuff. I have managed to build a pretty good collection but don't have much of his early stuff. When you speak of his earlier stuff, do you mean earlier stuff in his own name, or as a sideman? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:48:34 -0600 From: Herb Levy Subject: New Music polkas, tangos, & Beatles songs in RealAudio As threatened, here it is. This week's Mappings presents polkas, tangos and arrangements of Beatles songs by new music composers. Some are pretty dang weird, a few are very straight forward. Composers include John Cage, Tom Cora, Alvin Curran, Duke Ellington (not a Beatles song), Fred Frith, Peter Garland, Julius Hemphill, Robin Holcomb, Guy Klucevsek (not a polka), Alvin Lucier, Conlon Nancarrow, Frederic Rzewski, Elliott Sharp, Carl Stone, Lois V Vierk and many more. Check it out. Bests, Herb - -- Herb Levy NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 NEW PHONE: 817 377-2983 same old e-mail: herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:19:36 -0800 From: davy bui Subject: tour dates? Can anyone please point to a good site for getting good tour date info on artists such as Zorn, Frisell, Douglas etc? Thanks - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:46:27 -0600 (CST) From: Whit Schonbein Subject: re: cEvin key (was: electronica recs or something...) someone mentioned cEvin key, i think. is this the cevin key from skinny puppy and download? if so (and even if not) i reccomend download III as a decent electronic album. the first two albums are more industrial, and don't appeal much to me ("i believe in nothing" is a line from one tune). III doesn't have vocals, and is less harsh and more groove oriented in almost a dance-music oriented way (w/ the bass drum hitting on the down beat) it also gets sort of crazy at points, with a barrage of rhythmic distortion, for example. has key done anything more recent than the third download release, and if so, how does it compare? i would be very interested in hearing more music in that vein. oh yeah, peggy lee shows up on cello on III. cheers, whit np - download III (go figure) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:41:34 -0500 From: Taylor McLaren Subject: re: Speaking of Frisell (was Bailey) MEEP! "s~Z" wrote: >How can they go from experiencing that music and >enjoy what they are playing now. There must be a good answer to this >question. These are such fine musicians. A while back, I was poking through the heaps of stuff that have been made available for download at mp3lit.com, and I happened upon an excerpt from Nick Cave's introduction to, of all things, the Book of Mark. I rather like his thoughts on the subject: "But you grow up; you do. You mellow out. Buds of compassion push through the cracks in the blackened, bitter soil. Your rage ceases to need a name. You no longer find comfort watching a whacked-out god tormenting a wretched humanity as you learn to forgive yourself and the world. That god of old begins to transmute in your heart; base metals become silver and gold, and you warm to the world." Whether that's the result of getting older and just a little bit tired, and wanting something pleasant to do every now and again, or just plain falling off (and there are probably those who won't want to distinguish between the two) is pretty much open to argument. Personally, I love _Good Dog, Happy Man_ to death; it's a wonderful, gentle record for quiet afternoons spent on the couch, and while I wouldn't take it with me for the bus ride to work each morning (that's what Painkiller is for), I'm grateful for the mellowing that must have gone on to produce something so sunny and impeccably played. - -me - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:48:51 -0500 From: Taylor McLaren Subject: re: cEvin key (was: electronica recs or something...) MEEP! Whit Schonbein wrote: >has key done anything more recent than the third download release, and >if so, how does it compare? i would be very interested in hearing more >music in that vein. Well, for what it's worth, there has been another Plateau album since _III_ hit the market a year or two ago, but given how much I hated _Music for Grassbars_ (the first outing under that name), I wasn't too keen on checking it out; reviews from the like-everything-Key-does camp, though, suggest that it's far more in line with the bumpier, noisier Download sound than the smoother tones of _III_. It's probably worth noting, though, that _III_ was more Phil Western's work than anything else (he got top billing as far as writing credits and such went); it might be worth looking into some of his solo work (_The Escapist_ on Map Records, various Off & Gone albums, etc.) if you've got a bit of money to burn some weekend. - -me - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:51:58 -0600 (CST) From: Whit Schonbein Subject: best of 99 i always have diffiulty with 'best of xxxx's because i never can remember when the recording came out. nonetheless, i'll mention the following because i think it came out in 99: philipp wachsmann and paul lytton, some other season, ecm 1662 solo and duets featureing violin, viola, percussion, and live electronics. can't really describe it, but this album just really works for me. happy sunday, whit np - double trio (trio de clarinettes + arcado string trio), green dolphy street (now here's an album that i come back to again and again and again - - it's on my best of whatever-year-it-was list, certainly) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:35:03 +0100 (MET) From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis Subject: triphop dr+bs On that topic dont forget: Toshinori Kondo & DJ Krush: Ki Oku CD very nice trumpete over distorted beats. Manolis - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:08:28 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Re(2): more Bailey Recs Somebody- Tom Pratt maybe...did wonder thusly > Okay, here's another hare-brained thread: If you > could put Bailey into a playing/recording situation > with absolutely anybody, who would it be? Vidna Obmana- just to hear what two very different artists and styles could come up with. =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:26:00 +0000 From: Simon Hopkins Subject: best of 99 There doesn't seem to have been much of a take up on "the best of 99" front, but I thought I'd throw some ideas out. 99 was one of the first years I can remember in ages when I was genuinely excited by new album releases. I don't think any one particular style shone out (as hip hop, European electronica and d'n'b have in recent years) but across the year this has been a great year. It's not that any particular release has been a breakthrough, but that there's been so much hugely enjoyable stuff. There have also been to my mind, three releases of absolute genius, which is pretty high: the Mr Bungle, Arto and Hassell albums. I actually scribbled down the following list in a notebook sometime in early November, after rather too much red wine,so there are almost certainly oversights, but on the whole I'd stand by it. Beyond the aforementioned, the list is in no particular order. So... David Toop/Various artists: Hot Pants Idol Powerfield - EEE Mr Bungle - California Fantomas - Fantomas Korekyojin - Korekyojin Arto Lindsay - Prize Vinicius cantuaria - Tacuma Ponga - Ponga Harriet Tubman - I Am A Man Yagi Michiyo - Shizuku Paul Schutze - Third Site Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Lost Trident Sessions Techno Animal/Porter Ricks - Symbiotix Ear Drum - First Light Prelapse - Prelapse John Zorn - String Quartets Various Artists - Collision Course Lamb - Fear of Fours David Sylvian - Approaching Silence Jon Hassell - Fascinoma Forever Sharp and Vivid - Forever Sharp and Vivid Four Tet - Dialogue Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott - Da Real World Flanger - Templates Atari Teenage Riot - 60 Second Wipeout Marc Ribot - YO! I Killed Your God Sonic Youth - Goodbye 20th Century John Wall - Constructions I - IV Mos Def - Black on Both Sides Other people have pitched in with non-album release highlights. I don't get out much, but I would have to mention the following... Arto Lindsay live in London (one of the gigs of my life) Jack O'Connell's "Word As Flesh" (most exciting personal literary discovery for me; post-Auster, noir, ulra-violent sci-fi thriller - probably been out in the US for ages, but new to me) Chris Marker's "Level 5 (I really don't see many movies at all, so I couldn't compare it to the rest of the year's releases, but I can't imagine much coming close in terms of sensory and intellectual overload.) That's it for now. Comments? Cheers SH simon hopkins a state51 rhoda street london e2 7ef t 00 44 (0)171 729 8493 sh is a member of the state51 conspiracy, incorporating motion http://motion.state51.co.uk skam musicbee the knowhere guide http://www.knowhere.co.uk/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:40:52 +0100 From: 2L Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs Emmanouil Papagiannakis a =E9crit : > On that topic dont forget: > Toshinori Kondo & DJ Krush: Ki Oku CD > very nice trumpete over distorted beats. > Manolis > > - also don't forget "charged" featuring toshinori kondo, bill laswell and eraldo bernocchi; the CD has been released a year ago on R&S (a label from Belgium). It's darker than ki-oku and also has more drum+bass parts. Definitely worth checking out. I found out about the record after having seen the band play last December in Rennes (France) at the Transmusicales festival. 2L. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #827 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com