From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #828 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, January 11 2000 Volume 02 : Number 828 In this issue: - Re: triphop dr+bs Re: triphop dr+bs Re: best of 99 Re: best of 99 Re: Re(2): TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects Re: triphop dr+bs [Fwd: Re: 99 lists] Re: Re: triphop dr+bs Re: triphop dr+bs Re: triphop dr+bs 1/14/00 [electroluxe] Re: triphop dr+bs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:27:29 -0500 From: Steven Nilsen Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs << On that topic dont forget: Toshinori Kondo & DJ Krush: Ki Oku CD very nice trumpete over distorted beats. >> Now I dislike this albumn. It's l;ong and highly repetative. Not much actual distiction between tracks. I wouldn't play it sobre. On the other hand, I might not lcare for the genre. I did recently get two Mouse on Mars albumns, and these guys ahve really taken electronics and sampling to another level, just amazing stuff that will stand any tests of time. So maybe I feel more comfrotable with more adventurous stuff, nothing in trip hop has yet to impress me all that much. I am open to any strong suggestions. Oh, I would second or third the early Squarepusher, and if you like that try U-Ziq (I have a recent EP). U-ziq is definately a lot like Squarepusher, but maybe not as melodic. - -Steven - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:38:03 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs In a message dated 1/10/00 1:22:55 PM, snilsen@panda.uchc.edu writes: << nothing in trip hop has yet to impress me all that much. I am open to any strong suggestions. >> all three Massive Attack records are superb. the first, Blue Lines, is maybe a touch dated, but considering it's from 1991, it holds up pretty damn well. the other two, Protection and Mezzanine, have both held up through dozens and dozens of listens. and the Mad Professor full length remix of Protection, No Protection, is one of the very few remix CDs I'd recommend. the two discs work as superb complements to each other, each aiding in one's appreciation of the other. also, both Portishead CDs are great, if a bit played out. and if you can find a copy of Earthling-Radar (Cooltempo/Chrysalis UK), snap it up. good luck though; it was never released in the US. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:49:37 -0700 From: fishes Subject: Re: best of 99 > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:26:00 +0000 > From: Simon Hopkins > Subject: best of 99 > > There doesn't seem to have been much of a take up on "the best of 99" > *snip* > > That's it for now. Comments? > > Cheers > > SH Well apparently you never recieved the CortexBomb cd i sent you, or i am certain it would have been on that list *cackle* i agree with just about everything on that list (not that anyone gives a rats booty) and would only venture to add- BetaBand-The Beta Band Prince Paul- Prince among Theives (my fav of the year if it was 99 might have been 98?) Handsome Boy Modeling School GodSpeed You Black Emperor- Slow Riot... (they tour in a f#*ckin VAN!) snooks to the..., >> CortexBomb- http://www.mockbrwn.com/bands/cortex http://www.mp3.com/cortexbomb - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:09:55 EST From: Velaires@aol.com Subject: Re: best of 99 My personal favs: My favs for 1999: Myra Melford: Above Blue Dave Douglas: Songs For Wandering Souls Keith Jarrett: The Melody At Night And You' Zohar: Keiter Uri Caine: Mahler In Toblach Dolly Parton: The Grass Is Blue (no joke -- great) Houn'dog: self-titled John Abercrombie: Open Lan=01=DD=F90 - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 00 13:16:21 -0700 From: Douglas Tapia Subject: Re: Re(2): TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects >>I'll second the Cujo/Amon Tobin reccomendation, but the real magnum opus >>of his is Permutation. I love the Cujo disc, but Permutation is very >>evolved and complex in places where the Cujo disc was a bit lacking. > >My only hold-up about Amon Tobin is that it's not so "avant" in either >electronica OR jazz. The jazz samples used are fairly straight, and the >electronica stuff comes nowhere near what others have done. A good friend >brought up a good point that he'd like to hear more electronica artists >use live (as opposed to sampled) jazz-influenced players - much like the >Ben Neill I mentioned. > My take on Amon has always been an appreciation for his organicism. This is a trait that I first learned to appreciate in Miles, and later on, in downtowners like Zorn, Douglas, Speed, Barron, et al. What makes Amon unique in my perspective is that by the very nature of his medium there can be no "stream of conciousness" as in improvised musics. The fact that he can used static elements to create a great sense of movement and take his listeners "on a journy" is no small accomplishment, in my estimation. The clarity of Amon's constructions, and the lucid quality of his production are what draw me to him over and over. To be sure, I listen to, and enjoy this music in a much different way, and on a different level, than I do most of the music discussed on this list, which is also attractive to me. I had the opprutnity to speak to Mr. Tobin briefly about a year and a half ago. For his part, he considers himself a photographer, not a musician. He claims there is nothing special about what he does, and brushes aside the suggestion that he has composed any music of note. He claims that he is "just putting a bunch of samples together." I've heard people, even good musicians, "just throwing samples together," and it never has the cohesive, single-minded clarity of Amon Tobin. If nothing else, Amon is significant for pointing to a direction in d n' b that had not been explored before and is a major departure from what came before. FWIW, - -Doug - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:18:06 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs At 1:27 PM 1/10/00, Steven Nilsen wrote: ><< >On that topic dont forget: >Toshinori Kondo & DJ Krush: Ki Oku CD >very nice trumpete over distorted beats. >>> > >Now I dislike this albumn. It's long and highly repitative. Not much >actual distiction between tracks. I wouldn't play it sobre. I didn't like Ki Oku all that much when I first got it, there was something kind of lightweight and fluffy about some of the tracks, particularly the opener. It has grown on me though, mostly due to Kondo's wonderful sound and playing. I think Krush did some much more interesting stuff on his earlier records, and would like to hear Kondo blowing over those. Speaking of Kindo, does anyone know where in the US to get the Kondo/Laswell/Bernocchi Charged CD? I've tried orderring ot from my usual sources, and either it's not carried, or, if it is listed, it's out of stock. >On the other hand, I might not lcare for the genre. I did recently get two >Mouse on Mars albumns, and these guys ahve really taken electronics and >sampling to another level, just amazing stuff that will stand any tests of >time. So maybe I feel more comfrotable with more adventurous stuff, >nothing in trip hop has yet to impress me all that much. I am open to any >strong suggestions. > I like all the Mouse On Mars I've heard thus far, I don't know if I'd say their taking electronics to another level, at least not when artists like Autechre and Ryoji Ikeda are around, but I think they've made some terrific records. They're among they few electronic bands that can really write a non-trivial melody. In fact, a number of their tunes sound like they could have been written by Wayne Horvitz. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:26:25 -0500 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: [Fwd: Re: 99 lists] Received: by u2.farm.idt.net for olewnik (with pop daemon (v1.21 1997/08/10) Mon Jan 10 13:54:02 2000) X-From_: brian.olewnick@mountsinai.org Mon Jan 10 13:38:25 2000 Received: from mail-relay3.idt.net (MAIL-RELAY3.IDT.NET [169.132.8.27]) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA26598 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: brian.olewnick@mountsinai.org Received: from doc.mssm.edu (doc.mssm.edu [146.203.1.10]) by mail-relay3.idt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16665 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mssm.edu (smtplink.mssm.edu [146.203.1.20]) by doc.mssm.edu (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA24145 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:37:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by mssm.edu (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.30.00.7) id AA947527898; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:37:57 -0500 Message-Id: <0001109475.AA947527898@mssm.edu> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.30.00.7 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:04:29 -0500 To: Subject: Re: 99 lists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought 1999 was one of the strongest years in recent memory for new music, though this might reflect simply the wider availability of a lot of things (also having places like Other Music around, making the acquisition of arcane items a breeze). I'm pretty sure I've commented on most all of the below in prior posts, so I'll just list the 20 things I bought this year that I most enjoyed. Some were doubtless issued before 1999, even as far back as 1997, but what the hell. All of these, imho, are superb recordings. In rough order of preference: Barry Guy/LJCO Double Trouble Two Intakt Morton Feldman For Philip Guston Bridge David Tudor Rainforest Mode Such The Issue at Hand Matchless Ground-Zero Last Concert Amoebic Steve Reich Phase Patterns Wergo John Wall Constructions I-IV Utterpsalm Saptono/Tukinem Central Javanese Gamelan King Taylor/Redman/Jones Momentum Space Verve Parker/Prevost Most Materiall Matchless Roscoe Mitchell Nine to Get Ready ECM Morton Feldman For John Cage hat[now]art Muller/O'Rourke Weighting For 4 Ears VHF Extracts Erstwhile Masada Live in Middelheim Tzadik Anthony Braxton News from the 70's New Tone Cecil Taylor The Tree of Life FMP Baoquan He/Winjian Sun Gezhung King John Fahey Georgia Stomps/Atlanta Struts T of E Aaly Trio Hidden in the Stomach Wobbly Rail Memorable live events: Brotzmann Tentet Victo ISO (Yoshihide) Victo Zorn/Graves Victo Breuker Kollektief Tonic Aaly w/KV Tonic Joe McPhee Merkin Cecil Taylor Orensanz Robin Holcomb Roulette Bailey/Ibarra Roulette Guy Klucevsek Tonic Excellent year all around. Thanks to all list members for providing such fine company. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:36:46 EST From: Slntwtchr@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: triphop dr+bs >Speaking of Kindo, does anyone know where in the US to get the >Kondo/Laswell/Bernocchi Charged CD? I've tried orderring ot from my usual >sources, and either it's not carried, or, if it is listed, it's out of >stock. this showed up in a lot of places computer listings under the title 'excavation:beat alchemy'. that was originally slated for release, and got bumped back. apparently 'charged' was assigned the upc originally given to 'excavation' and a lot of music sellers didn't know/never changed it. innerhythmic is supposed to kick up in full-swing in february/march, and their tentative schedule includes a re-release of 'charged', if you don't come across it before then. peace, dave ___________________________________________________________ bill laswell, eraldo bernocchi, mick harris and lori carson discographies at : http://www.geocities.com/slntwtchr ___________________________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:37:19 -0500 From: Matthew Shepherd Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs I'm de-lurking for the first time in months to admit that I'm a huge closet Herbaliser (Ninja Tune) fan. It's getting a little far afield, but some of their instrumentals have a fabulous beat and a distinctly jazzy feel -- particularly the bass lines. Admittedly, half their tracks are pretty straightforward rap, but they're still worth checking out. Actually, anyone into well-paced electronic music with DJ-heavy leanings should check out Ninja Tune... I'm also a big Tobin and Grassy Knoll fan, if that helps place me on the taste wheel. Is anyone out there also fond of the Beastie Boys' "In Sound From Way Out?" - - Matt Shepherd - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 03:34:13 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs This commercialized trip hop doesn't hold a candle to the stuff that's come out on the Baraka Foundation and in other locations like Wordsound's Ebn-E-Sync, etc. For drum n' bass and other rhythmic variety, check out "We (tm)" who appears on some Baraka comps as well as Asphodel, which by the way, is a superb label. >From: JonAbbey2@aol.com > >all three Massive Attack records are superb. >also, both Portishead CDs are >great, if a bit played out. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:01:39 GMT From: "pic nic" Subject: 1/14/00 [electroluxe] Received the following. I liked this event in the last summer... loved the duo. - pic nic >well yes. [electroluxe] is back! >after a big nice blank period of time, it comes back right in front of >you... ikue mori & jim o'rourke duo make a second appearance, while >newly named RotoR comes back w/ possibly completely different approach >as well! >we welcome indescribable super psyche-electro band, Electro-Putas for >midnite bang! >& mr. brian dewan will assemble his collection of analogue synth, >cartridge organ, vintage answering machine etc. to offer his rare first >'electronic only' performance in collaboration with myself (blaat) >processing sounds from special contact mics hidden thruout tonic >space... so, come early (around 8 - 9:15 pm.... probably there will be >'early ambience drink special', too!!) & participate in the ambience by >buying some drinks from the bar. (yeah. the bar would be surely mic'd!! >) see you all there!! - blaat (keiko.u) of pitchbrite > > >************************************** > >immediate release > >[electroluxe] > >date: friday, jan. 14th >location: tonic, 107 norfolk st. bet. rivington & delancey >212.358.7503 or http://www.tonic107.com >starting point: 8 p.m. > >offering... two pleasure encore w/ new development, plus one debut & >more... >RotoR (raz mesinai, toshio kajiwara and dj olive the audio janitor) >a collective of three emerging new york composers who create >vinyl scores with computers for play back by dj's. >raz mesinai, toshio kajiwara and dj olive the audio janitor, >reveal a new batch of sketches from a work under construction. >(encore return to [electroluxe]!) > >ikue mori (tzadik) + jim o'rourke (moikai) >Allow the great forces behind the drum machines and powerbook to pulsate >the air that will stimulate the organs in your ear. >(encore return to [electroluxe]!) > >electro-putas (input 1=2) >are you ready for this? post-krautrock, post-can (?!?) band >electro-putas will hit the stage at midnite! >"Sit on the floor under a table for this. Fertile repetition. Blasts of >exuberance. Organic percolating...It strikes me as being the next >generation of improv." (Anne Eickelberg, Your Flesh), >with Joe Frivaldi (guitar, vocals), Akio Mokuno (bass, vocals), Jaiko >Suzuki (drums, vocals) & Mike Woodward (keyboard). >(debut appearance in [electroluxe]!!) > >****** >with opening ambience by... >brian dewan: analog synth., elec. organ, reel-to-reel answering machine, >cartridge organ (special setup for this occasion!) >with blaat: electrotap.board.effector! with special contact mics. - >processing sounds from various hidden spots of tonic space... whether >you want it or not, you'd automatically participate in the ambience by >buying a beer or something tasty from the bar;) > >admission: $10 / adv., $12 / door for all sets or $5 for electro-putas >set only at midnite >adv. tkt avail @other music, 15 e. 4th st. 212.477.8150 or go to >http://www.ticketweb.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:58:27 +0000 From: Simon Hopkins Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs >This commercialized trip hop doesn't hold a candle to the stuff that's come >out on the Baraka Foundation and in other locations like Wordsound's >Ebn-E-Sync, etc... For a pretty definitive summary of the current state of cutting edge drum and bass *and* hip-hop, check out Kevin Martin's "Collision Course" compilation (Ill/Play It Again Sam). Kevin was previously responsible for the "Isolationism", "Macro Dub Infection" (1&2) and "Jazz Satellites" compilations that I put out during my years at Virgin UK, as well as his own "Patholgical Compilation" so his track record for finding the most hardcore of musics is untouched (and, yes, I'm biased). Just to pitch in on the jazz/d'n'b thread, I reckon most of the significant stuff has been covered. But I'm really surprised as the generally negative reaction to Squarepusher's "Music Is Rotted One Note", which I think is way the best of the crop, and one of the few to get even close to the darkness and intensity of, say, "Weather Report Live In Tokyo" (which it uncannily resembles at times). Sure, it's not as beautifully crafted as Amon's futurist-exotica or J Swinscoe's soundtracky Cinematic Orchestra stuff, but it has some *nuts*. I think his Pastorius-ness is kept largely in check and both his drumming and electric piano playing are very convincing. And he's so damn "young*! Bastard. Simon simon hopkins is a member of the state51 conspiracy http://motion.state51.co.uk reviews | features | services - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #828 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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