From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #851 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, February 4 2000 Volume 02 : Number 851 In this issue: - Re: Feldman, etc. Re: Harry Miller set on Ogun! Grisey "Les Espaces Acoustiques" Arcana Book futurist music Re: Grisey "Les Espaces Acoustiques" NYC concert announcement - Aki Takahashi New Zorn article in March Jazz Times Dama Mahaleo Re: Arcana Book Re: futurist music morton feldman Re: futurist music Re: Guy/Surman NYC gig? RE: futurist music Re: morton feldman Zorn in Italy, another cover OT: h. nitsch, transgression, and the image OT: h. nitsch, transgression, and the image Re: Taboo & Exile Imagery ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 08:20:37 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Feldman, etc. On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:45:25 -0500 "Ljova" wrote: > > Just wanted to let you know that the S.E.M. Ensemble (cond. Peter Kotik) > recorded Feldman's "For Samuel Beckett" this past january. I'm not sure if > this was for archival or commercial purposes, but, I will post to this space > shall I find out of any release dates. > > "For Samuel Beckett" was Feldman's last [chamber] orchestra work. It's > really beautiful, though somewhat tiring to perform. > (I suppose I didn't make this clear -- I performed it in concert, and > participated in the recording.) And there is one that just got released on CPO: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - FOR SAMUEL BECKETT: Morton Feldman 1/ For Samuel Beckett (Feldman) 43:17 Kammerensemble Neue Musik Berlin conducted by Roland Kluttig. 1999 - CPO (Germany), 999 647-2 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:50:27 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry Miller set on Ogun! In a message dated 2/2/00 4:58:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: << Great news for those who love these South Africans (from Verge's February catalog): >> Yeow- what a great suprise!! Is this a sigh that some of those other neglected Ogun classics may soon see the light of a laser? =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:24:50 -0500 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Grisey "Les Espaces Acoustiques" Per the article in the Sunday Times, I'm interested and am looking for the CD that the article recommends, a recording by the Ensemble Court-Circuit and the Frankfurt Museum Orch. on Accord (unless there's a better one...). I've been thwarted by web searches and am wondering if there are good places in NYC to find these types of things. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Dan Hewins - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 18:12:20 -0500 From: Richard Ladew Subject: Arcana Book Anyone get the Arcana book that Zorn edited yet? I just got it in the mail today. The pieces from Ostertag and Oswald are really informative in regards to sampling. Cant wait to read more!! R - -- Rich Ladew: ladewtangclan@earthlink.net www.home.earthlink.net/~ladewtangclan PCP House Of Coffee: The best in modern, experimental and creative music WUNH 91.3fm Monday evenings 8-9 p.m.(EST) Real Audio at www.wunh.unh.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 19:14:33 EST From: Whitejams@aol.com Subject: futurist music I'm sure many you are aware of Mike Patton's Pranzo Oltranzista, and it's inspiration, Marinetti's Futurist Cookbook. My question is this. I am shooting a short film inspired by the futurists, and really haven't had much luck finding futurist specific compositions(although I haven't tried too hard). If anyone could create a list of futurist or futurist inspired music and send it to me, it would be appreciated. I will even offer a credit in my film, (its a student film) so don't get too excited. Thanks a thousand times. - ------new to the list----ATOM - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 21:44:35 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Grisey "Les Espaces Acoustiques" Dan Hewins wrote: > Per the article in the Sunday Times, I'm interested and am looking > for the CD that the article recommends, a recording by the Ensemble > Court-Circuit and the Frankfurt Museum Orch. on Accord (unless > there's a better one...). I've been thwarted by web searches and am > wondering if there are good places in NYC to find these types of > things. Well, Accord is not an especially obscure label as far as tiny European classical music labels go - so normally you could most likely find the disc in question in stock at either of the Tower locations (4th & Broadway, Lincoln Center). I'd expect, however, that the article probably prompted several folks to go to the store and buy the one or two copies they had in stock, so it may be a matter of waiting for the eventual reorder. Don't be satisfied to just look for a Grisey section and call it a day if you don't find one - take a look towards the back of the store in case they have a dumping ground for various contemporary composers. It's a pretty common practice. The downtown Tower also maintains a fairly nice endcap dedicated exclusively to new releases of contemporary composed music - it's in the far back corner next to the "DJ booth." Mondo Kim's on St. Mark's Place also has a surprisingly good selection of modern composed music. And if Other Music carries it, I'm sure Tom Pratt could let you know. Sorry for wasting the bandwidth of those not in New York. (It's about to happen again in a moment, so forgive me in advance.) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 21:50:58 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: NYC concert announcement - Aki Takahashi New York Zornithologists: Pianist Aki Takahashi will be giving a recital on Thursday, March 9 at 8 p.m. at the Japan Society, 333 East 47th St. Tickets are $20 ($16 for Japan Society members). The program will include a premiere of a new piece by Somei Satoh, plus works by Cage, Peter Garland, Akemi Naito and Iannis Xenakis. Also promised are at least two of the "Hyper Beatles" selections of which we've spoken just lately, by Christian Wolff and Ryuichi Sakamoto. For more information, call 212-832-1155. I've never been to anything at the Japan Society, so I can't speak to how limited the tickets are. Also, I've got not a damn thing to do with this concert... I just got a brochure in the mail today, is all. Again, my apologies to non-New Yorkers for the waste of space... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 22:00:11 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: New Zorn article in March Jazz Times Zornies here and abroad: The March 2000 issue of Jazz Times features a dual Wynton Marsalis / John Zorn cover (surely a first and presumably a last) and interesting and provocative interviews with both of them. The interview was originally commissioned for a Japanese publication and subsequently bought by Jazz Times, as I understand it. I don't know that Zorn actually says anything new here, at least for those of us who've followed Zorn's career and have read most of what's come before (although it is revealed that he's a fan of a certain Wynton trumpet solo on Jeff "Tain" Watts's 'Citizen Tain' CD of last year... it IS a monstrous solo if it's the one I think he means...). It's less philosophical than the Jazziz piece and less focused on quirks of personality than was the New Yorker piece. But it's a good read and an interesting restatement of Zorn's continued mission, his acceptance of his outsider status, and his deep-seated cynicism towards the corporate world. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 22:10:11 -0500 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Dama Mahaleo Does anyone know of other releases by this singer/guitarist from Madagascar (and, imho, possessor of the lovliest male set of pipes this side of Veloso) aside from "Melodies de Madagascar" (on Playa Sound), his duo with D'Gary on Shanachie and his various appearances throughout the Kaiser/Lindlay produced series, also on Shanachie? Thanks, Brian Olewnick NP: Malcolm Dalglish/Grey Larsen, "Banish Misfortune" - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 23:39:54 EST From: Eisenbeil@aol.com Subject: Re: Arcana Book The Zorn edited Arcana book is a rare treat. Completely unprecedented. It covers a wide scope of insight from so many interesting people. Regards, Bruce Eisenbeil www.eisenbeil.com In a message dated 2/3/00 6:18:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, ladewtangclan@earthlink.net writes: << Anyone get the Arcana book that Zorn edited yet? I just got it in the mail today. The pieces from Ostertag and Oswald are really informative in regards to sampling. Cant wait to read more!! R >> - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 08:51:50 -0500 (EST) From: ctonelli@trentu.ca Subject: Re: futurist music There's a disk out called 'Futurism and Dada' (there's more to it but I can't recall - it should be easy to find on a web search). It's got the only recordings of Russolo's Intonarumori conducted by his brother Antonio Russolo. It also has vocal pieces by F.T. Marinetti himself. Besides Luigi Russolo scores which can be found with a websearch I don't think there's much else out there. The CD above also has a reconstruction attempt of the Intonarumori and a guess at Russolo's score. Good luck, Chris Tonelli On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 Whitejams@aol.com wrote: > I'm sure many you are aware of Mike Patton's Pranzo Oltranzista, and it's > inspiration, Marinetti's Futurist Cookbook. My question is this. I am > shooting a short film inspired by the futurists, and really haven't had much > luck finding futurist specific compositions(although I haven't tried too > hard). If anyone could create a list of futurist or futurist inspired music > and send it to me, it would be appreciated. I will even offer a credit in > my film, (its a student film) so don't get too excited. Thanks a thousand > times. > > ------new to the list----ATOM > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 09:24:33 EST From: "Alan Kayser" Subject: morton feldman Is anyone familiar with John Tilbury's 3CD set of Feldman's piano music on the Matchless label? I am quite curious about this set, especially due to the nature of Tilbury's work within AMM. Alan E. Kayser ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:00:12 -0800 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: futurist music "Futurism and Dada Reviewed" SUBCD 012-19 price 800 BeF Les Editions Sub Rosa, PO box 808, CM1000, Brussels, Belgium. I believe it is out of print. http://www.subrosa.be/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:29:47 -0500 From: eric ong Subject: Re: Guy/Surman NYC gig? Hello, There will be performances of selections from In Darkness Let Me Dwell - (just out in the US on February 1st) in Washington and in New York: John Dowland / IN DARKNESS LET ME DWELL Artists: John Potter, tenor; Stephen Stubbs, lute; John Surman, soprano saxophone and Bass clarinet; Maya Homburger, Baroque violin; Barry Guy, double-bass Washington: Friday February 11, 2000 at 8:00 PM Saint Columba's Episcopal Church 4201 Albemarle St. NW (1 block from the Tenley AU metro stop) $15.00 suggested donation, $5.00 students New York: Saturday February 12, 2000 at 7:30 pm Cathedral of St. John the Divine 1047 Amsterdam Ave at 112th St. tickets $20.00 at box office or call City Tix 212 581-1212 ($4 surcharge) I'll most likely be at the NYC show, so if any of you are going, let me know because I'd like to say hello. - -eric. At 09:23 PM 2/2/00 EST, you wrote: >anyone know what this is exactly or where it's going to take place? > >from the Euro Free Improv site: > >February 12th Dowland Project in New York- John Potter - tenor, John Surman - >clarin./sax, Barry Guy - bass, Stephen Stubbs -lute, Maya Homburger - violin > >thanks, >Jon >www.erstwhilerecords.com > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:43:19 -0500 From: "Vanheumen, Robert" Subject: RE: futurist music hi. this is interesting. i'm an electronic/avantgarde musician, trying to get his work spread all over the world. my work is electronic in basis, with sound effects and acoustic instruments (trumpet, voice) added. some of it you could describe as sound track. i would be glad to look into composing some music for the film you're making. it's a little off-topic for the list, but i thought what the #$^ i just advertise a little.. robert > -----Original Message----- > From: Whitejams@aol.com [SMTP:Whitejams@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 7:15 PM > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: futurist music > > I'm sure many you are aware of Mike Patton's Pranzo Oltranzista, and it's > inspiration, Marinetti's Futurist Cookbook. My question is this. I am > shooting a short film inspired by the futurists, and really haven't had > much > luck finding futurist specific compositions(although I haven't tried too > hard). If anyone could create a list of futurist or futurist inspired > music > and send it to me, it would be appreciated. I will even offer a credit in > > my film, (its a student film) so don't get too excited. Thanks a thousand > > times. > > ------new to the list----ATOM > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:46:34 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: morton feldman In a message dated 2/4/00 9:25:24 AM, alankayser@hotmail.com writes: << Is anyone familiar with John Tilbury's 3CD set of Feldman's piano music on the Matchless label? >> It's actually 4 CDs, and it's on LondonHall, although it is being distributed by Matchless. it's only been out for a month or two, and it hasn't made it to any of the normal US distributors yet, despite my pleas with the good folks at Other Music and Downtown Music Gallery. if you want to order one directly, check out http://www.cnvill.demon.co.uk/mfnotice.htm. it's 38 pounds, or about 60 bucks. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:38:38 +0100 From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Zorn in Italy, another cover I'll be reviewing the Bergamo Festival where Zorn plays for the italian monthly Musica Jazz. They'd like to dedicate the cover to him with a posed portrait against one old town background, as they ofetn do in such occasions. Anyone can help me to make sure he will accept a photo session? Or sure the he will not? thank to anyone that can help...... _________________ Francesco Martinelli Lungarno Mediceo 10 56127 PISA ITALY fmartinelli@tin.it - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:04:11 GMT From: "Scott Handley" Subject: OT: h. nitsch, transgression, and the image Not much ZOrn connection here, aside from---I think---a name-check in the GRAND GUIGNOL notes. This might be a friendly introduction to a "transgressive" visual artist who's been at it for quite a bit longer than I've been around: visual artist and avant-garde shaman (?!) Hermann Nitsch. I thought it might be a nice tidbit, since we've been discussing this vis-a-vis TABOO AND EXILE. The GETIT.COm article contains a link to Nitsch's own website. http://ss.gettingit.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FutureTense/Demos/GI/Templates/Article_View&parm1=A2008-1999Nov22&topframe=true The other point is that Nitsch is about to one-up Merzbow: an 80-CD box set, apparently to be released by the Cortical Foundation in 2000. (No info, but perhaps it's DVD?) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:04:11 GMT From: "Scott Handley" Subject: OT: h. nitsch, transgression, and the image Not much ZOrn connection here, aside from---I think---a name-check in the GRAND GUIGNOL notes. This might be a friendly introduction to a "transgressive" visual artist who's been at it for quite a bit longer than I've been around: visual artist and avant-garde shaman (?!) Hermann Nitsch. I thought it might be a nice tidbit, since we've been discussing this vis-a-vis TABOO AND EXILE. The GETIT.COm article contains a link to Nitsch's own website. http://ss.gettingit.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FutureTense/Demos/GI/Templates/Article_View&parm1=A2008-1999Nov22&topframe=true The other point is that Nitsch is about to one-up Merzbow: an 80-CD box set, apparently to be released by the Cortical Foundation in 2000. (No info, but perhaps it's DVD?) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 21:04:05 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: Taboo & Exile Imagery Not to rejuvenate an old and tired thread, but if you are trying to come to grips with the aesthetics/ethics behind Zorn's use of images of eroticism and violence, and you haven't bothered to read Georges Bataille or Maurice Blanchot, you are attempting the intellectual equivalent of running a marathon with your legs dismembered. You simply don't have a clue, period. You must as well read Gilles Deleuze's account of Leopold von Sacher-Masoch entitled "Coldness and Cruelty" where he makes an important distinction between "pornography" (the erotic imbued with instrumental rationality {Bataille's Profane}) and "pornology" (transgression of a non-instrumental order). Responses of nervous anxiety at the possibility of perverse desire within an admired artist is the most banal and predictable that one can imagine. You have to get a lot deeper than this. The packaging that conceals the "secret" suggests two things: 1) the power of self-censorship in the milieu of vilificating the "outside." 2) the careful selection of an audience capable of understanding and the refusal of another that is incapable BTW--this is nothing like "shock" since the "dirty, little secret" refuses to be displayed. The subtitle "music for children vol 2" suggests an ambivalent meaning regarding maturation--innocence is the point of unmediated access to the truth of eroticism whereas "adult understanding" is "childish" in its profanation by accusation. The image is sacred (by its power to induce); our reactions are profane (the reduction of meaning to "use-value" and "common sense" i.e. "culture"). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #851 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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