From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #861 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, February 24 2000 Volume 02 : Number 861 In this issue: - Re: So. How'd it happen? Amy Denio So, How'd it happen? RE: The complete Masada Songbook this Saturday, Pink Pony, NYC Zorn about MP3? how it happened Re: So, How'd it happen? RE: otomo and gustafsson cds? Re: otomo and gustafsson cds? Re: The complete Masada Songbook Re: The complete Masada Songbook RE: The complete Masada Songbook how did it happen? Re: RE: otomo and gustafsson cds? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:55:36 +0100 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Re: So. How'd it happen? I began with Crimson, and '70's fusion (mahavishnu) then came Frith, Zorn, Previte ("hue&cry" was the first NYC 'jazz' cd I really LOVED). The stuff that I listen to now is Stravinsky (all his work - especially the "Rite", "L'histoire du soldat", "Symphony in 3 movements", "The Rake's Progress" - a fantastic performance by Gardiner, theLSO, Bostridge, Terfel, York, and von Otter on the recent DG release - "Agon", "Introitous"), Zorn, Douglas, Boulez, some new Crimson improvised stuff, Brian Eno, and Zappa (the 88 tour). Be well "Oh Nick, I had the strangest dream! I thought - how could I know what I was never tought?" Stravinsky/Auden "The Rake's Progress" - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:07:20 EST From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: Amy Denio Some self-serving stuff here on Amy Denio. Amy can be found on George Cartwright's new album "The Memphis Years", where she sings Paul Haines' lyrics over George's compositions. A streaming real-audio file of a track from this is available at our website: www.cuneiformrecords.com We will also be releasing a new, multi-national project by Amy + Pavel Fajt [drummer] & two members of Kampec Dolores as "The Danubians" sometime later this year. Steve Cuneiform Records - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:24:57 -0500 From: Jason Tors Subject: So, How'd it happen? My musical beginnings were pretty much limited to AC/DC, Quiet Riot, Ozzy, and Def Leopard. I hit onto something while riding halfpipes, Guns n Roses, Appetite for Destruction. Rush really opened me up to complex music. I used to sit in my room trying to play YYZ on the bass for hours, the farthest I got was the beggining morse code part. From Rush I discovered Primus, another monster on the bass! At the end of highschool I discovered Phish thru a friend of mine, this band's instrumental compositions attracted me, my buddys and I used to act out the parts of the songs depending on how it sounded. Their compositions matched with an improvized element led me straight to jazz. I bought Monk and Coletrane, and A Love Supreme. Parallel to the development of my interest in jazz, I latched onto zappa as casual entertainment. One summer, I listened to Freak Out all the time, at night I would just put on the last two tracks of Freak Out, I would lie there in the dark and listen to it. Then my dad gave me Coletrane's Interstellar Space, this was big. He bought it because the cover looked like it was an album of ballads, boy was he surprised! It took me about two years to even be able to listen to the album all the way through. A friend of mine who was working at the knitting factory gave me a copy of Medeski Martin and Wood's Friday Afternoon in the Universe, this introduced me to the downtown scene . At the same time Trey Anastasio of Phish fame started this project called Surrender to the Air, with a bunch of guys from sun ra, marc ribot, john medeski, bob gulliotti, and others. This album along with interstellar space led me into more free music. I went to see MMW play at CBGB's 313 gallery, opening up was Big John Patton, with Zorn [who I had heard of before and was not impressed] and I would just laugh and laugh at kenny wolleson because he looked so goofy to me. I held off on zorn for a year or so then dove straight into masada and naked city at the same time. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:30:40 -0500 From: "Vanheumen, Robert" Subject: RE: The complete Masada Songbook >I produced an MP3 CD-ROM (698 Mb) with 143 Masada tracks (only 6 songs >missing). All songs bitrate 128 - 44100 Hz. I added 24 playlists: i must admit, when i first read this, my reaction was: cool! but on second thought i feel strongly opposed to this. we're talking about music that is NOT selling millions. these people are releasing beautiful music, and i want them to keep doing this. i think if you make a cd like this for some friends that you know are big fans it's fine, but to sell this on a public email list is not only illegal but especially immoral. robert - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:22:58 EST From: Reaboi@aol.com Subject: this Saturday, Pink Pony, NYC All New Yorkers not planning on seeing Mark Dresser's Moisture on Saturday night: Come to the Pink Pony, a cafe in the Lower East Side (Ludlow, b/n Houston and Stanton). If you've never been there, it's a great place to see local music of both the etablished and up-and-coming types. Of the former group, William Parker, Joe McPhee, Test, and more have been recent performers. (Myra Melford will be playing a rare solo set on Feb 29th, for $5!) SO: at 8:00, it's Eye-Door, a young improv group singled-out recently by Thurston Moore in an interview about the future of the scene. It's Matt Mottel on synths and electronics, Dave Jones on clarinet and alto sax, and Josh Benash on guitar. at 9:00, it will be my pleasure to play bass in a trio with pianist Stephanie Stone and drummer Tim Keiper. Stephanie has been like a mother (& grandmother) figure to countless 'downtown' musicians since the 1970s. She and her husband Stone are nearly eighty, and they're more active and alive than anyone a quarter their age, making the trip in from Brooklyn to see challenging live music *almost every night*. She's a great pianist from the swing and caberet traditions. Tim is a good friend of ours too; he's a student of Susie Ibarra's and has an amazing resume for his age. Tonight we're playing free, and it should be a nice challenge, that dialog between generations. at 10:00, Eye-Door returns for another set of improv, this time with three cats who need no introduction: Daniel Carter, Sabir Mateen and Matthew Heyner. It should be fun, and it's only $5. Cheers, Dave Reaboi - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:32:46 +0100 From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: Zorn about MP3? Hi Philozorners, I wanted to create a website with samples of Masada, Naked City, Zorn, Frisell, Douglas and others music, encoded in MP3 format. I don't want to upload songs from their records, it's obvious crime, and a real shame for any fan. I have about 50 Zorn records myself, all Masadas, Naked City, all Frisell records, and Douglas discs, and I totaly agree, that promoting MP3 as a replacement of a record is a theft. But my website would contain only samples from LIVE SHOWS, I have quite nice collection of CDRs with live performances recorded by someone from the audience etc. I like these recordings just because Zorn was in Poland just twice (http://www.emd.pl/emd/pl4/artists/m/masada/live/19940626.htm, http://www.emd.pl/emd/pl4/artists/m/masada/live/19990625.htm), Douglas with him (Masada) and solo once (http://www.emd.pl/emd/pl4/artists/d/douglas_dave/live/19980313.htm), Frisell was here one 7 years ago (http://www.emd.pl/emd/pl4/artists/f/frisell_bill/live/19930703.htm). I would buy all their live records or better, go to see them live, everyday. Some of the recording from my collection are quite interresting, eg Naked City plays "Rosemary's Baby" tune by Krzysztof Komeda, our greatest jazz composer, or different versions of songs known form studio albums. I wanted to share this music with other fans, mostly, make it more popular in Poland, so my beloved artists would play here more often. But here comes the "morality" issue: is it OK to upload these files to a server and make them available online? Does anyone know Zorn's opinion about it? These samples are not taken from commercial records, so the legal aspect is "softer" here (but still valid). I wanted to start small discussion about this issue before I'll upload an hour of music, and then Zorn will send me mail saying, that I'm not a fan, but a thief and motherf@#$#%... ;-) Please let me know your mind. Regards __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno AT emd.pl] www.emd.pl - Discography of Bill Frisell - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:40:28 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: how it happened my crucial moment was in about 1985, when i was some kinda dopey hippie living in central illinois and decided i should find out who's this 'mingus' joni mitchell was singin all about. at random, i happened to pick 'mingus presents mingus' and didn't really know what to think. i didn't even really like it, but it made me realize there's a lot of stuff going on, and a lot of musicians not burdened by nonfluctuating rhythm, that i didn't know about. about 18 mos. later, my uncle gave my 'classic guide to strategy, vol. 2.' again i didn't know what to think, didn't exactly like it, and listened to it all the time. npr taught me a few things (like naked city and the president -- i was still in central ill), and from there it was the usual branching from who plays on the records of whom. kg, whose angry that the dixie chicks beat out george jones, even if he knows better than to be angry about the grammies. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:44:51 EST From: DRoyko@aol.com Subject: Re: So, How'd it happen? Funny, it revolves around the Beethoven 6th Symphony, as far from "out" as one can get. In high school in the early/mid '70s, I was a drummer and obsessed with bands like King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Yes, old Genesis, etc., and then discovered classical in a serious way via Beethoven's 6th. In the course of about a year, I lost virtually all interest in rock (and despised the emerging "punk" scene anyway, seeing it as nothing but image and attitude), and moved into classical. I had a good friend who also had moved away from rock stuff, and was getting into classical and jazz. One day, in between listenings of Beethoven 6th and other classical stuff, he put on Dolphy's "Last Date," which I thought was OK at best, nothing more. Than he said, "I have a cousin who is a jazz musician, and he just sent me his new record. It's pretty weird, wanna hear it?" And that was my first introduction to Anthony Braxton. I thought it was crap. Then, near the end of high school, two things happened. Another friend who was learning alto sax, and who knew Wayne Segal (son of Joe Segal, the owner of the Jazz Showcase here in Chicago) got us in to see Blakey and the JM, which I loved, and I started then listening to jazz seriously. Soon after, I'd bought tickets to hear a Chicago Symphony Orchestra/Solti concert because of the (once again) Beethoven 6th. The Bartok 2nd Piano Concerto was also on the bill, which didn't interest me. A few days before the concert, someone gave me a pair of tickets for another night of the same program. The first night, I hated the Bartok overall, but found something about the 2nd movement appealing. The second night, I found the piece overall to make a little more sense, and fell in love with the 2nd movement. Of course, I then started buying up tons of Bartok LPs, which was my entre into the more dissonant/polytonal/atonal world. Some time later, my interest in 20th century classical overlapped into interest in avant jazz. Dave Royko - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:55:35 -0300 From: Linares Hugo Subject: RE: otomo and gustafsson cds? > I haven't played my copy in a couple of years, but I recall liking it a > lot, > especially the Otomo tracks. > > > By the way, is that true Otomo will play with a Jazz Quintet? Is it available on cd right now? Label? Thanks in advance Hugo Linares - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:58:52 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: otomo and gustafsson cds? On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:55:35 -0300 Linares Hugo wrote: > > By the way, is that true Otomo will play with a Jazz Quintet? Is it > available on cd right now? Label? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 149 - SHABONDAMA ELEGY: Otomo Yoshihide (1-3,7-9,11,14-16) recorded at Earth Studio, Tokyo on January 18 and 19, 1999 (5,6,13,17) recorded at Earth Studio, Tokyo on July 20, 1999 (4,7,10-12,16) recorded at A-102 Studio, Tokyo on January 20 and 21, 1999 Produced by Yoshihide Otomo Otomo Yoshihide (1,2,4,7-12,15,16): guitar, turntables, electronics; Naruyoshi Kikuchi (1,9,14-16): tenor, soprano; Mitsuru Nasuno (1,2,9,15,16): electric bass; Tatsuki Masuko (1-3,7,8,10,11,16): MPC-3000 effects, DX-7, organ, guitar; Sachiko M (4,10,12): sampler; Otomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Quintet (5,6,13,17): Otomo Yoshihide (guitar), Naruyoshi Kikuchi (tenor), Kenta Tsugami (alto), Hiroaki Mizoguchi (double bass), Yasuhiro Yoshigaki (drums, pocket trumpet). 1999 - Eyewill (?), SKCA-1002 (CD) Note: (1-4,7-12,13-16) is the original soundtrack of the movie SHABONDAMA ELEGY, directed by Ian Kerkhof; (5,6,13,17) are additional recordings for the CD. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:21:23 EST From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: The complete Masada Songbook In a message dated 2/24/00 10:35:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, rvanheumen@issgroup.net writes: << but to sell this on a public email list is not only illegal but especially immoral. >> And might I add, in really bad and irresponsible taste. Dale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:05:20 +0100 From: "gschwend d. atelier" Subject: Re: The complete Masada Songbook Vanheumen, Robert wrote: > > >I produced an MP3 CD-ROM (698 Mb) with 143 Masada tracks (only 6 songs > >missing). All songs bitrate 128 - 44100 Hz. I added 24 playlists: > > i must admit, when i first read this, my reaction was: cool! > but on second thought i feel strongly opposed to this. > we're talking about music that is NOT selling millions. these people are > releasing beautiful music, and i want them to keep doing this. > i think if you make a cd like this for some friends that you know are > big > fans it's fine, but to sell this on a public email list is not only illegal > but especially immoral. > > robert > > - robert, hi! making this kind of cd for friends who are into the music would be okay in your books??? those people are potential buyers of the official cds - you should tease them by playing all this great stuff for them when they're at your place, and make sure they go out, buy the stuff and support the labels that, as you say, are not selling millions! i'm a musician/dj, and i wouldn't want people to cd-r my stuff for their relatives or mates... yours, patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:30:14 -0500 From: "Vanheumen, Robert" Subject: RE: The complete Masada Songbook patRice, >making this kind of cd for friends who are into the music would be okay >in your books??? those people are potential buyers of the official cds - >you should tease them by playing all this great stuff for them when >they're at your place, and make sure they go out, buy the stuff and >support the labels that, as you say, are not selling millions! >i'm a musician/dj, and i wouldn't want people to cd-r my stuff for their >relatives or mates... i should've been more subtle... i'm very careful with copying cd's for other people. when i do it, i never copy whole cd's, but make 'sampler' cd's, with one of two songs per artist, with the idea to 'tease' them a little so they hopefully go out and buy the whole cd of a specific artist! and then only if this person does not usually listen to that kind of stuff or really doesn't have the $$ to buy all kinds of cd's just to 'try it out'. and i'm a musician too, so i also know the other side... i'm just trying to spread the music without taking money out of the artists pockets... if someone copies a cd for me and i really dig the stuff, i would buy the original anyway just for the artwork and to support him/her! robert - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:49:27 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: how did it happen? Hello to all, Back in 1990 I bought Carcass' Symphonies of Sickness and that started it all for my Grindcore/Death Metal fever... every cd I owned was from a DM band. One album I purchased was the EARACHE sampler GRINDCRUSHER with NAKED CITY's Osaka Bondage. I didn't like it very much, it was too "wild" for me. Then I started listening to RUSH and DREAM THEATER and that lead me to my PROGRESSIVE phase. Then in 1994 I bought MORRISSEY's Vauxhall and I and that changed everything for me. I actually got rid of all my DM, RUSH and DREAM THEATER cds. In this period all of my CDs were BRITPOP (which I still enjoy very much) and NEW WAVE, etc. Then as a David Lynch fan, I started buying the Angelo Badalamenti's soundtracks and that introduced me to Jazz. Then I started listening to Electornic music and TRIP HOP (Portishead, Massive Attack, and all the commercial ones), and that led me to DJ KRUSH & TOSHINORI KONDO's Ki-Oku, and that really got me into Jazz (at least that type of jazz). Then I started reading about Zorn and found out that he was the guy behind NAKED CITY, that weird track on the sampler which I didn't like. I read he admired Ornette so I went and bought what I think is Ornette's wildest recordings: FREE JAZZ (I don't really know Ornette's music, so if he has anything wilder, tell me, please). I was still into the TRIP HOP Jazz thing, so I bought MMW's Bubblehouse which has a TRIP HOP remix of a song where Zorn plays. And then finally my brother gave me for XMAS (this XMAS) NAKED CITY's debut album, my first ZORN cd. And that's my story. Funny how it all comes around, eh? Neil H. Enet - ------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:50:44 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: otomo and gustafsson cds? In a message dated 2/24/00 11:56:25 AM, hulinare@bemberg.com.ar writes: << By the way, is that true Otomo will play with a Jazz Quintet? Is it available on cd right now? Label? >> from the Music Unlimited concert report I sent to the list in November: <> Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #861 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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