From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #875 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, March 3 2000 Volume 02 : Number 875 In this issue: - Re: more on "the girl issue" Re: NPR's All Things Considered Re: Kowald Re: NPR's All Things Considered John Zorn at Columbia University Re: NPR's All Things Considered Girlymusik Girlymusik + politics Sex Mob in Chicago =?ISO-8859-1?Q?PROMO:=20Kevin=20Drumm/Martin=20T=E9treault-Parti?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?cles=20and=20Smears=7F?= Re: The Cure- Bloodflowers Re: Girlymusik Re: Bailey/Holland and Cioran Re: Girlymusik john wall and madonna ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:49:32 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= Subject: Re: more on "the girl issue" Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:58:19 +0100 From: patRice *it is amazing actually, how many girls you run into at death metal (and *all other forms of metal) gigs over here in europe. (though i can only *talk about austria and switzerland.) *and most of them not even dressed like your average "metal chick". *mainly all very well dressed, even in designer stuff! *that really still amazes me; and i think it's great! patRice - -------------- Ahhh, Europe.... I donīt go to metal shows here in Peru because no international bands come here, and the national acts are shitty...anyway, 3 years ago I worked at a small record store, and it carried all kinds of metal shit (most CD places here donīt), and every time a girl asked for something like Morbid Angel, she would be fat, pimple-faced and ugly...and dressed in customary black...and then most of the decent-looking girls here only listen to the popular shit like alternative rock or salsa or whatever...thatīs why Iīm pretty much hopeless when it comes to thinking about finding someone musically compatible. Lucky bastard A __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:08:36 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: NPR's All Things Considered The theme music is supposedly by one B J Liederman (spelling unknown), of whom I've heard nothing other than his (?) consistently enjoyable NPR music. Does anyone know of any other releases? On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 08:19:18PM -0500, Fritz Senn wrote: > Hello, sorry for the off-topic nature of this post, but I need to know if > there is some song from Dexter Gordon's "Go" that is used as the opening > music to National Public Radio's "All Things Considered" (?). I guess its > opening melody is heard (by some) as the same as the main phrase in the > title track of "Go." Is this correct? If not, where is the opening melody > from? Thanks. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:24:51 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Kowald At 05:01 PM 3/2/00 -0600, Tom Benton wrote: > >Though anyone who followed the link to his web page probably already saw >this, I feel like it's worth pointing out that if you live in the states, >chances are Peter Kowald will be in or near your town in the next three >months. His travel schedule can be found at . >Definitely not a performance to miss. Anyone by any chance know where Kowald will be playing in Columbus, Ohio? This site lists him there on March 25. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more than one way to conquer a country. - -- Raymond Chandler - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:04:35 -0500 (EST) From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: NPR's All Things Considered Since I've been too busy to delurk for the "How'd it happen" thread (I've wanted to, though), I'll at least contribute to this one. Just about anything you'd want to know is at (yep) http://www.bjleiderman.com/ where he's got information about his new CD, _Life at the Bottom of the Dial_. HTH, Maurice Rickard | "Multimedia will never go anywhere Designer | until the amateurs take over." http://www.envirolink.org/maurice | --David Thomas On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Joseph Zitt wrote: > The theme music is supposedly by one B J Liederman (spelling unknown), > of whom I've heard nothing other than his (?) consistently enjoyable NPR > music. Does anyone know of any other releases? > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:25:58 -0500 From: Matthew Wosnitzer Subject: John Zorn at Columbia University Just writing the list to let those in NY know that John Zorn will be presen= t according to www.columbia.edu website: Thursday, March 9, 8 PM 7 PM preconcert discussion with John Zorn John Zorn (b. 1953) and Paul Schoenfield "Perhaps New York's most-respected all-around musician, John Zorn joins us at Miller to hear performances of three new works drawn from the spirit of French Absurdism, paired with music by Paul Schoenfield, another major American composer." Schoenfield: Piano Trio * Three Country Fiddle Tunes * Three British Folksongs Zorn: Amour Fou * Le M=F4mo * Untitled [for Joseph Cornell] Ahn Trio Jennifer Choi, violin Eric Friedlander, cello - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:56:25 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: NPR's All Things Considered On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 11:04:35PM -0500, Maurice Rickard wrote: > Since I've been too busy to delurk for the "How'd it happen" thread (I've > wanted to, though), I'll at least contribute to this one. Just about > anything you'd want to know is at (yep) http://www.bjleiderman.com/ where > he's got information about his new CD, _Life at the Bottom of the Dial_. Thanks! I just went to the site and sent him a fan letter. He might get more of those if he got the NPR hosts to s-p-e-l-l o-u-t his name once in a while. (It also drives me nuts, and is more of a problem, when they don't spell out URLs. While I'm unlikely to hit the site, I still wonder idly on long drives how they expect people to ever find www.s'dex'lmariot.com or whatever that is... - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:48:46 EST From: "ajda snyder" Subject: Girlymusik Wow. I'm really enjoying all the posts on the "why aren't more girls interested in avant music" thread. It is very comforting to see that my fellow Zornlisters are so open-minded. It's also nice to hear so many more females speaking out on the list. I had kind of wondered if there were many others...and it's even cooler to hear gay people talking about being on the list. That comment about fat, "ugly", pimply-faced, black-wearing girls who like metal made perfect sense. After all, those girls are definitely solitary. Sadly. So no wonder they like the more out of the mainstream shit. Secretly, (pour moi) I think part of the attraction of being into things less common, like the avant-garde, is doubled for females into it, since we are few. I know you other folks know what I mean - how nice it feels to have something rather unknown and unexploited, and feel like it's yr own... Forgive me if I self-confess. Ajda, the Turkish Queen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 05:57:04 GMT From: "Scott Handley" Subject: Girlymusik + politics It's interesting to me that, perhaps, women are sometimes unfairly expected to "represent" something...say, feminism. Or Women At Large. Or that Empowerment (whatever that is) needs to even be an issue. This is about as bad, IMO, as commenting that a female musician "plays like a man", which might be a little more clearly offensive to many of us. In terms of unfair expectations, this might be likened, inversely, to the experience of the list member who said she entered a (male) friend's room and was asked if the Fantomas should be "turned down". If I remember correctly, she speculated that there might possibly be the compulsive assumption that she was incapable of enjoying extreme music. (I don't think she emphasized gender quite that heavily, though.) In Graham Locke's FORCES IN MOTION, a fine book on the music of Anthony Braxton, Locke is persistently baffled by marilyn Crispell's ambivalence to feminism, or to politics in general. Gerry Hemingway intervenes, "justifying" feminism-at-large (huh?) in, really, pretty reasonable, generous language. Locke frets and wrings hands. (He seems to be on the threshhold of apoplexy when Brax eats fast food and dreams of opening a Brax Burger chain.) Crispell remains wary of condemnation of "the patriarchy", and doesn't mind at all having her playing referred to as "masterly", which bothers Lock. The point of interest to me, here, is not the specific politics at hand, but the fact that Lock and, to a lesser extent, Hemingway, seem to take a rather---irony of ironies---"paternal" stance towards Crispell's choice to be somehwat apolitical. It is characteristic of the full circle: a new, leftist, pedastaling of woman, the insistent offering of Enlightenment, Rationality, and ...urp...Common Sense. - -----s, sorry, I will edit next time. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:21:21 -0600 From: King Wilson Subject: Sex Mob in Chicago Next thursday at the Empty Bottle. 7pm (early show) Anyone want to post a review or two of a recent show? I'd like to know what it's like..... read icculus - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:36:19 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?PROMO:=20Kevin=20Drumm/Martin=20T=E9treault-Parti?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?cles=20and=20Smears=7F?= sorry for the promotional intrusion, and further apologies if you receive=20 more than one copy of this: I'm proud to announce the release of the latest CD on my label: Erstwhile 006: Kevin Drumm/Martin T=E9treault-Particles and Smears Chicago-based Kevin Drumm (guitar, electronics) and Montreal-based Martin=20 T=E9treault (turntables) traveled in separate musical circles, each unaware=20= of=20 the other's work, until a Chicago-based organization, Lampo, booked T=E9trea= ult=20 for a concert with Drumm and the ubiquitous Jim O'Rourke in September of=20 1999. While T=E9treault was in Chicago, he and Drumm spent some time in the=20 studio, and this CD contains the results, as recorded by TV Pow's Todd=20 Carter. Drumm, best known for his two superb solo records on Perdition=20 Plastics, and T=E9treault, best known for his collaborative series of discs=20= on=20 Ambiances Magnetiques with the likes of Otomo Yoshihide and Ikue Mori, meld=20 their techniques seamlessly to form a thoroughly integrated record. While=20 both musicians are more than capable of playing solo sets filled with=20 compelling ideas from beginning to end, here both seem to make a conscious=20 effort to subsume their identities in order to create a greater work.=20 "The often brittle, overwhelmingly tactile sounds which Drumm and T=E9treaul= t=20 produce are so finely intertwined it=92s an act of futility to guess whose=20 thwacks, crackles, pops, hums, and squeaks are whose. The duo=92s enjoyment=20 practically oozes from their savvy interactions, as they rigorously reach=20 deeper and deeper into themselves and their instruments to find new noises.=20 But even as they forage, their sense of purpose is never lost. 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Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:54:54 -0800 (PST) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: The Cure- Bloodflowers On Wed, 2 Mar 1994, Diego Gruber wrote: > I've seen many ppl mention this record already as something they're > listening to, but still no comments. So, [insert obvious question here]. i found myself agreeing with aquarius' review. as a longtime cure fan, it was disappointing. but certainly far better than their previous effort. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:36:45 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: Girlymusik Adja wrote: >Wow. I'm really enjoying all the posts on the "why aren't more girls >interested in avant music" thread. I'm on a lot of lists and I've also wondered why men tend to dominate the discussions so much. And since I'm a teacher I think it has something to do with the degree of privileges afforded men, privileges we all-too-often unconsciously bask in. Women are also not encouraged to be confident in engaging in such discussions in the education system. I've also noticed a tendency toward discursive differences as well--men often argue (I'm no exception I'm afraid on this score), while women look for areas of agreement and attempt to deflect or disarm conflict. >Secretly, (pour moi) I think part of the attraction of being into things >less common, like the avant-garde, is doubled for females into it, since we >are few. Perhaps for those women who are not inclined toward the "avant-garde" as it were, it has something to do with healthy suspicion toward old tropes of masculinist idolatry, like the "artist as seer" or the dictum of "newness" which becomes a kind of drug for "avant" heads as well as a mode of evaluation: "I found nothing new in this piece that wasn't already done by so-and-so etc." The avant-garde has historically hooked up with masculinist/modernist impulses that often afflict people like Zorn as well, who has a powerful modernist/avantist superego to go with his more "anti-aesthetic," e.g. "metal" etc. sensibilities. Sometimes all this rant about victimized and isolated avantism gets a bit tedious and dishonest, perhaps most obviously when it hooks up with capital process to ensure IPR protection, morally and pragmatically. (And who really wants any of our beloved avant cats to go out of business?) (And when is an artist ever so "original" as to deserve a patent on their production no matter the edicts of the "new"). I don't know but perhaps a lot of women pick up on all this and are simply unable or don't want to be bothered with articulating it. More recently I've found it refreshing to see "new?" paradigms emerge with people like We(tm), who have a new CD pending called "Decentertainment" (wonderful title) where the whole question of property and artistic positionality become imploded. It's nice to see such self-conscious develop in "artists." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:50:14 +0100 (MET) From: Steve Berman Subject: Re: Bailey/Holland and Cioran >>>>> "Mathieu" == Mathieu B=E9langer writes: Mathieu> Hello, I recently found "Improvisations for Cello and Mathieu> Guitar" by Mrs. Holland and Bailey. It is the vinyl Mathieu> edition on ECM. I noticed that the first track is called Mathieu> Improvisation Piece III which suggests that there was an Mathieu> Improvisation Piece I and II... Was there a sort of first Mathieu> volume to this ? Or was it reissued on cd with the five Mathieu> (or maybe more) pieces ? Actually, "Improvisations for Cello and Guitar" is by *Mr.* Holland and Bailey. But I've heard that Dave Holland's mother did make a recording of Improvisation Pieces I and II with Mr. Bailey, which was very briefly available in the Incus Taps series. Neither recording has been reissued on CD AFAIK. - --Steve Berman - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 07:31:44 -0500 From: Matt Teichman Subject: Re: Girlymusik I'm suprised with all this talk of women and the avant-garde that nobody has mentioned Maya Deren, the leader of the American avant-garde in film in the 1940s. She sort of rejuvenated it after a ten-year or so hiatus. Anyway, just my 2=A2... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:35:05 +0000 From: Simon Hopkins Subject: john wall and madonna >In a message dated 3/1/00 12:30:49 PM, stefan.annik@planetinternet.be writes: > ><< Just would like to put a certain musician in the spotlight: John is a genuinely brilliant composer (and while he's a good friend, I don't *think* that's clouded my judgement, not least since I knew John's work before I knew him). Anyway, I've written quite a bit about John on the motion site; check out some of these links - many are soundfile accompanied: http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/481.html http://motion.state51.co.uk/features/wall/index.html http://motion.state51.co.uk/features/wall/extend/alterstill.html http://motion.state51.co.uk/features/wall/extend/fractuur.html And... what was this all about: "I mean, just think of this - what's the female equivalent of the Beatles?? Madonna, maybe. But she is more of a highly sexualized farce." Not sure I get the Madonna/Fab Four comparison in the first place, but this flippant, un-thinking, throwaway gibe about one of the most consistently interesting figures in pop music (and pop culture generally) is out of place on this generally considered/ing list. Simon - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #875 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? 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